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Offline mudfarmer

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Re: Lumber Prices vs Softwood Prices.
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2020, 08:09:05 AM »
Trying to get all the loggers to stop selling to mills and/or all the land owners to stop selling to the loggers and mills sounds as difficult/impossible as anything else that involves getting people to work together for their common good
Except that it would be against the law:  Collusion occurs when entities or individuals work together to influence a market or pricing for their own advantage. Acts of collusion include price fixing, synchronized advertising, and sharing insider information. Antitrust and whistleblower laws help to deter collusion.
Hey I didn't say it, just commented on it because it was brought up  :D :D Also not a lawyer or in any position to collude on anything. My pockets are full of sawdust and there is plenty of food on the table-- can't complain too much. Set up so that if we need a board we make it, let the market do whatever it wants and I will laugh from sidelines.

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2020, 08:12:21 AM »
No fan of over-governance here either. When it gets too absurd i just disregard as a civic, patriotic duty. 



Interest is the lender's necessary charge to bear risk, a primary tenet of capitalism.  When the federal reserve (a government sounding consortium of private lenders who loan our treasury its currency out of thin air and do more harm than good) keeps the interest rate down to constantly 'spur growth' to cure the constant flow of manufactured crises..  You get what we have now.  Overprinted, diluted currency on one hand and cheap debt on the other. A pair of nooses.. One tied for us, the other we are encouraged to put on ourselves. 



Everyone's cost of living rises faster than their wage because of the money printing.  The cheap debt from low federal reserve interest rates continually entices employees with very little capital or experience [high risk] to get out of their rut by "going into business for myself" on borrowed money because since the dotcom days, leveraging other peoples money to get to your jackpot is simply how its done.  Maximal debt is looked at as a strength rather than weakness in this new dystopian financial world.  You can stiff your lenders and become president.  Society no longer attaches moral shame to much of anything anymore.


Anyway, a constant flow of new debt-financed operators trying to make it in just about every field is what creates the overcapacity that drives down prices.  Trying to go bigger and make up for it on volume is a huge mistake that just makes a bigger crash and burn for most who try.  Imagine being in a price war with barge monkey.. Thats a hand you'd better fold early. 


Licensing generally locks out the hard working poor guy like me who avoids debt.  We can live on nothing because we always have so we are stable.  Recessions dont phase us, we last through thick and thin times.  And creating new branches of government will just phase in hoops that never stop morphing,like ken has to deal with in NS.  They wont fix the problem because they wont end the money printing or artificially low interest rates that are the true problem... Designed to ruin the entire capitalist system i might add.  Youll just end up stuck with 3 problems instead of two until world socialism is complete. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2020, 08:14:34 AM »


Hey I didn't say it, just commented on it because it was brought up  :D :D Also not a lawyer or in any position to collude on anything. My pockets are full of sawdust and there is plenty of food on the table-- can't complain too much. Set up so that if we need a board we make it, let the market do whatever it wants and I will laugh from sidelines.
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Re: Lumber Prices vs Softwood Prices.
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2020, 09:12:27 AM »
I am all for an association and certification process.  As long as I get to be the one who is paid the big bucks to collect the dues and control the whole thing while everyone else fights for the crumbs - about the same as everyone else would feel I suspect.  
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2020, 11:42:17 AM »
You guys deal with different issues than us. We need more mills. More mills means more competition, which means better prices. One issue with us the fluctuations in log supply. On the one hand we have mills crying for wood one month and then trying to cut people off the next.

 Big outfits here average 20 log trucks a day, hauling 30+ tons per, and in good wood can sometimes double that in a 12 hour day. So as soon as you get the highest price wood will almost literally flood in. 

However with the export restrictions on state and lots of local sales many domestic mills are able to procure their own supply at a discount and therefore keep prices artificially low.
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Re: Lumber Prices vs Softwood Prices.
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2020, 05:08:06 PM »
Right now I see the bigger guys and mills are getting bigger and choking all the smaller guys out , its not fair but its a fact 


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