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« on: April 29, 2021, 05:22:19 PM »
  Okay, I confess. I shamelessly copied MM's design for his Luke project to make the planters shown in the pictures below. I started with 2- 6' logs I bucked of a small Norway spruce I cut a few months ago. I was going to make it into a couple of 2X6's or such to make bus stops, outhouses or deer blinds.


 
   I squared off the bottom, flipped 180 sawed off the top, rotated 90* sawed off and set aside and cut 2 notches big enough to get my blade into the cut the block out.


 I left 3" on the end and 6" in the middle so when finished I could saw it in half and make 2-3' long planters. I put the sides back where they came from and screwed them into place. One side had a lot of tension and was hard to tighten back against the semi-cant it came off of. I repeated with the second log leaving 6" solid plugs at 2' and 4' so I could cut the finished piece into 3-2' planters. I should have cut one side thicker as it ran out on me slightly. I screwed the sides back on and cut into 3 separate planters. I just finished ahead of a rain shower so packed it in.


 

 
Weather permitting I will take a load of benches and such to the flea market this weekend and will include these and see if there is any interest in them. I will sell these or make them out of the customer's logs if he has a special log he wants to save.

   Thanks MM for the idea.
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Re: Shameless copy of another member's work
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2021, 06:53:07 PM »
EDIT:  5% commission goes to the Forestry Forum the Magicman.

Actually this is/was not my idea because it has been shown/done several times here on the FF, the last of which was by doc henderson.

Your items look very nice and should easily sell.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2021, 07:12:08 PM »
  Since I ain't sold none yet and I am out of pocket the cost of the wood, screws, fuel and band sharpening does that mean they owe me money kinda like the IRS refunding previous years taxes when you lose money the next year? What do they call that - a tax credit or such?

Let me do some cyphering on all my sales now - .05 X $0 = ? :D
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2021, 10:05:01 AM »
FWIW, I was building various planters long before Luke was born. One of them I sort of wished I'd never built? It was from an old American Chestnut log I drug out of the woods by hand with a rope. I then plunge cut chainsaw holes down into the top and plugged the hollow log ends with similar old wood disc. It had three miniature roses in it for some years then fell apart. 
When I saw Lukes pop cooler my initial thought was how nice it was for MM to be working with his GS! I helped my GD build trivets to sell recently in my shop. She's in 5th grade, not HS. My secondar thought was that they went to far too much trouble to build it if the side were gonna be boards anyway. Just screw boards together? 
WV's version is bark sides and avoids Lukes patented pop cooler IMO, thus no commission is due? :D
I have seen several Applachian wooden troughs that I felt sorry for the builders who hollowed them. No sign of burning them out either? 
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2021, 05:16:52 PM »
My secondar thought was that they went to far too much trouble to build it if the side were gonna be boards anyway. Just screw boards together? WV's version is bark sides and avoids Lukes patented pop cooler IMO, thus no commission is due?
What gave you the idea that Luke's drink cooler was boards on the outside instead of the bark sides??  True the bark had slipped, but it was still the rounded bark side.  smiley_headscratch
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2021, 06:18:33 PM »
mine was from a scuzzy old cottonwood with no real future.  the less dense woods are eventually lighter and the thicker sides are better insulators.  can cover with a silver top tarp, like an emergency space blanket until ready to be used in a short post grad. get together.  i like the idea of using the top of the log for cover as well.  made our for ourselves, but did get a call from the trauma nurse from Wichita to buy it for a party, but they did not find transportation in time.  (pickup).
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Re: Shameless copy of another member's work
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2021, 06:49:51 PM »
The one that we built weighed what the log weighted so to transport it required some lifting help, think Kubota.   ;)  We could have shortened the "feet" or more which would have reduced the weight quite a bit.

We had quite a few inquiries so that may not be the only one that we make.  ::)
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2021, 09:30:40 PM »
I built an herb garden using a live oak log for my mother several years ago after seeing David Poston do something similar with a red oak log and a large pine.  The live oak has mostly rotted but still has some herbs in it but it no longer stands on legs but is on the ground decaying.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2021, 08:00:23 AM »
Hey Luke- I take it all back.  :-[

We visited the greenhouse we like for wife's annuals on Friday and she also sells driftwood pieces and creations collected by a neighbor of mine which she fills with her flowers as well. He/she had several giraffes made from driftwood with flower cavities in their backs. A new thing he had was logs with hollows such as an owl or squirrel side hole in them and flowers peeking out all over. Probably local logger waste as this guys not that "work brickle", he lives off of this "found" stuff.  The Corps of Engineer's got after him for collecting driftwood off the nearby Cave Run Lake shores some years back. I see him now and then with his old Ranger PU and the back full of the stuff headed for florists and taxidermy shops. He also tears down old bldgs and builds crude benches, etc. for greenhouse sales. My wife and I always have our eye out for such forest jewels of old tree stumps to sit in her flower beds. One we still have always reminds the viewer of a small javelina/wild pig. Another is an oval slab of driftwood that found it's way to KY from Moosehead lake in ME. I carved dogwood blossoms on it and our name as an entrance greeting near our home=leans against a big WO tree base. 
I've never made a pop cooler... But I did make a bunch of wooden wheelbarrows for flowers which ended up years later as a pile of iron wheels in front of my shop after they all rotted away. :D 
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2021, 07:06:48 PM »
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Anything someone can design, I can sure figure out how to fix!
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2021, 08:38:36 AM »
I'm remembering having read about how the Chinese at first copied Delta-Rockwell woodworking machines then got chosen to make them for the parent company. 
Quite flattering, as it were.  :D
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2021, 07:57:23 PM »
  I went up and cut 8' and a 5' section out of the top of a poplar and cut the 8' piece in half. I was going to make a 4' and 2-2' planters but did not cut far enough at the end with my chainsaw on the 4' and broke the end plug trying to wiggle the center block out so I tossed it then when I  went to cut the 2-2' planters I overshot my mark and sawed the center out so ended up with one 4' planter. The bark is trying to peel out off one end and I may just go ahead and peel it. Oh well, such is life. I still have all my body parts and the mill is still intact and I have one more planter ready to sell. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2021, 08:22:52 PM »
 ::)  Amateur  :D
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2021, 08:30:36 PM »
   Sad but true but like the constipated patient finishing his 3rd glass of prune juice said "This too shall pass." ;)
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2021, 12:16:31 AM »
the constipated math teacher, used a slide ruler to work it out.  On my cooler I made all the long cuts, then segmented the center section (cant)  and then glued and screwed it back together.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2021, 01:44:29 AM »
 

 

here it is empty but with the thermostat at the low setting.



 

getting loaded for my birthday...  the cooler is getting loaded for my 60th,   :) smiley_beertoast

 

 

after a little defrosting.  bark now off.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2021, 07:53:44 AM »
 I didn't catch your B-day but hope you had a great day anyways.
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2021, 08:13:35 AM »
thanks Ed, it was back in October, but that is when the pic was from.   :)
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2021, 08:25:27 AM »
Doc,

    I defer to your superior wisdom and craftsmanship and will throw out the patterns from the MM wannabee. I see you just squared the bottom, removed the sides, then cut your notch, removed the center then reattached the sides. I see you left the rounded top with adds a lot of character I feel. Well done. This rank amateur is going to try that next time. :D
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2021, 08:30:23 AM »
nice to find uses for cottonwood.  
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2021, 08:51:34 AM »
I see you left the rounded top with adds a lot of character I feel. Well done. This rank amateur is going to try that next time.
I caught that too Howard, so us "amateurs" can learn together.  :D
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2021, 03:14:12 PM »
@WV Sawmiller I guess I could put it back on the sawmill, and trim it (like the legs of a bench)  but I am sure I would hit some screws. :D :D :D  thanks.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2021, 03:24:23 PM »
Doc,

  I am not sure if my leg is being pulled here or not. ???

  I have been cogitating about making planters like yours and need more info. Do you cut the sides off, cut the notch, remove the center block then reattach then cut the sides down? Of do you square the bottom, cut a short notch and cut between the notches, cut the sides off, cut the notch deeper then cut the middle out and reattach the sides.

   I'm thinking it will be easier to cut the sides off, cut out the center, reattach the sides then cut them down to the desired height with a chainsaw or by putting them back on the mill.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2021, 03:45:01 PM »
I made all of the long cuts first on the mill.  I had two sides and the bottom as flitshed, and left with a 3 sided cant form the center of the log.  then I cross cut the dividers with a saw.  I made them from the section that corresponded with the logs so it matched.  so I had 2 ends, 2 dividers, with 3 chunks that came from the cooler areas.  I used 2 of the for the notched feet.  I think you can see the glue line.  we used the foaming gorilla glue so it would seal and be water proof.  it was a mess and I would just use construction adhesive or titebond III.  or just screws.  A couple has offered to buy it.  we used it for a few outdoor partied.  the cottonwood has held up fine, and has developed a nice patina.
I do think the top could be trimmed flat on the sawmill and yes I was also poking the bear.  (ongoing bench leg trimming banter)   :D :D :D.  I got the idea from the guy who was building the house on his property for his daughter, and he made some logs with internal handles for weight lifting.  I do not remember his handle, but I got the idea from someone else as well.  full disclosure.  
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2021, 10:03:34 AM »
 Y'all should name the planters " M M planter " maybe they'll become the new rage and command a higher price  8) ?
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2021, 11:10:23 AM »
  Or since the idea originated with the Doc before the MM I could name them "Doctor One-Glove's Magic planters and coolers" and cover both bases. :D
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2021, 02:43:11 PM »
i got the idea from the industrial arts teacher on here that was helping his HS senior daughter build a cabin on the place.  they made some exercise/weight lifting logs with handles inside.  He seemed to have red hair beard, and wore a straw hat in his avatar pic.  he used the same technique
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2021, 03:35:25 PM »
   Let's see now - so now I have to change the name to "Bearded Redhead's straw hat IA teacher's Dr. One Glove's Magic Planters and Coolers."

   This is getting a little unwieldy. Maybe I just need to drop back to my WV customer base and call the "Holler logs fer sale". :D
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2021, 04:54:57 PM »
  I guess I better go cut another Norway spruce and make up a stock of these as I sold the last 2 at the flea market today. Right now I'm pricing them at $10/ft. I'm just going to square the bottom and sides and leave the tops rounded. Depending on the size block I may just cut into boards and use the centers for making crates as Spruce is my preferred wood due to being light weight. A 10"X1"X6" board will make a crate for a dozen pint jars and a 12"X1"X8" will make a crate for a dozen quart jars. I'm signed up for a big flea market Saturday at our State Fairgrounds and will take them there to see if they will sell. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2021, 05:31:36 PM »
Right now I'm pricing them at $10/ft.
That is a lot of work and materials for $10 per foot.  
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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2021, 06:16:08 PM »
   Well, probably so but I started with a 2-5' spruce sections about 10-11 inches in diameter off a scrap log. International scale estimates 55 bf if they were 12" at the small end but I doubt I could have gotten more than a 6X6 or 3-2X6's out of them which would have been 30 bf or thereabouts. I don't have much market for spruce and offer to sell it for $1/bf but use more myself than I ever sell. That is over triple what I could sell the rough boards for - and these are selling while the boards are not. I guess to be profitable I really need to salvage the boards out of the middle. Yes there is more handling and there is probably $1 worth of screws in them. I'll cut another tree and will likely sell the bigger, base sections for more and be pretty diligent about saving the centers for boards to use for my other projects.

 If I were near a bigger, more upscale market like Charlotte or Knoxville or Atlanta or such I could sell them for more but that is true with my benches, birdhouses and other projects.

 What are you suggesting they sell for? What would those wealthy Mississippi millionaires pay for them? I may need to bring a trailer load with me. I have to go to a wedding in NW Fla later this month and maybe I should just ease on over and sell a load - or maybe I can swap them for a load of watermelons that would sell here. (Remember us WV Hillbillies love to barter.) Probably still to early in the season for that. ::)
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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2021, 06:40:08 PM »
What are you suggesting they sell for?
I didn't suggest a selling price but I priced the 8' at $500 and a 4' at $300.  Of course I don't sell anything but that is what I priced them at.  :D

The fact that the junker logs were free to you should not affect the selling price because you are setting a baseline and once set, it would be difficult to exceed it. 
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2021, 07:56:56 PM »
MM,

   Sounds great to me. 

   Let me see, on my 5X8 trailer I can get 5 rows across (assuming 12" diameter planters), and I figure I can go about 4 rows high and since 4' are easier to handle and sell for more, I will figure on loading them 4 rows high. That will be 5 rows wide X 4 rows high X 2 planters deep = 80 planter per trailer load and I should be able to squeeze another 25 in the back of my truck with the 6.5' bed and camper shell so that will be 105 (80 +25) X $300 = $31,500 and I will go ahead and eat the production and transportation costs and, assuming they will be comparable to your marketing costs which you will incur, and with 5% ($1,587.50) to the FF for their cut for brokering this deal and I'll split that with you so we will each pocket  $15,081.25 ($31,750 - $1,587.50 = $30,162.5/2). Please double check my math but I think this is correct. That will still be more than triple what I can get here selling them for $10/foot (105X4'=420'X$10'ft = $4,200) at my current prices.

   Assuming I can get 40' of log per tree that will make 10 planters per tree. I will need to cut 10-11 trees to get my 105 planters. Since it is soft wood I should be able to cut that many with 1-2 bands.

    I will bring you a load by the end of the month.  :D

    You don't think I will run into any problems at the state line binging in raw wood with the bark still on do you? ???
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2021, 08:07:18 PM »
You did too much figuring.  Just go ahead and mail me my half and save yourself the fuel cost and I will pay the entire 5% FF commission.  That way the only "bark" question will be me howling at the moon.  thumbs-up
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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2021, 08:17:27 PM »
   I guess that means I should go ahead and cancel my Africa safari I had planned with my share of the profits too, huh? :(
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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2021, 09:12:56 PM »
  I guess that means using a simple 4' planter at $300 means $300/4 = $75 per foot is not the solution either? :P Why can't things ever be simple! :D
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2021, 05:29:50 PM »
 

I went up the hill and cut a 14-15 inch Norway spruce. Looks like I got 56' of useable logs for planter making from it. I cut the 2 smallest logs into planters already and made 8 planters from 2-4 ft long. Two are 4' with a divider and I was going to cut them into 2-2' planters each but I liked the look of the doubles so did not cut them in half. I can always cut them later or just send to them to my broker in Mississippi and let him make that call when they get there. :D


From 8-10 planters depending on whether I cut the 2 on the left side of the picture into 2 each.


 I saved a bunch of short one inch thick boards from 5-6 inches wide and from 16" to a little over 3' long that I stacked and stickered and will use for other crafts later.

 I did run into some issues with the slabs having tension and not wanting to fit back tight against the hollowed out cant. Then when done it looks like the hydraulics on John went out so I will have to get that checked out/repaired too.

EDIT: Oh yeah, note the rounded top on the plugs in these planters. I just squared the bottom, cut off and saved the sides, cut notches for sawmill blade, sawed the centers out making short boards in the process then reassembled them leaving the rounded tops.
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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2021, 07:44:36 PM »
I agree on the rounded tops, but that has to be chalked up to doc.  8)
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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2021, 08:48:16 PM »
   Does that mean we should raise the asking price? :D

    I just got a call from my local bait and tackle shop who also sell plants that he had sold the 2 raised bed planters I'd left there on consignment and wanted me to bring him 2 more. I did the same thing with tomato stakes last year and he probably sold 100 dozen after he found there was a market for them. I still have 3 more planters but one is on the bottom of the trailer for a flea market trip to the fair this Saturday, another is full of my square ft walnut pieces and the other is low grade walnut and I find I have been using it almost like another work station so I went out and knocked out another one out of 3- 8' 1X6 and a 2- 8' 1X8 ash boards. I thought I was about out of 2" square bit head screws but I bumped a board and a box with nearly 2 lbs of them fell off. Thanks goodness for my handy magnet. I'll knock out another in the morning and may even drop off some log planters as I think I can still meet my deadline for my Mississippi delivery. ;D
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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2021, 09:46:12 PM »
I'll knock out another in the morning and may even drop off some log planters as I think I can still meet my deadline for my Mississippi delivery.
Somewhere along the line you have gotten very confused and certainly were not paying close attention.  

Now to refresh your recollection; Half of the income comes to me, half goes to doc, and you provide all of the labor, materials, and the 5% FF Commission making this a three way split.  :)
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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2021, 09:47:20 PM »
I just checked the math and that sounds about right to me!   :)   :P   :snowball:
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2021, 10:49:04 PM »
MM,

   Did you retire from the IRS? ::) You are beginning to sound like this is going to be a guvmint run operation. :D
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2021, 10:11:31 AM »
 

 

 Okay here is another copy of another FF members work. May not be the exact design but the idea definitely came from Bruno in NH who apparently sold many of them last year. I don't remember seeing how they are selling for him this year. I built one just before dark last night and another this morning.

  One is ash and the other is low grade walnut. I have the two outer ones loaded on the truck to take to the shop this morning to replace 2 he sold yesterday to "some little old lady who came in and bought both of them" according to the my young friend who works there who called about the 2 I had left on consignment. I don't think he thought they would sell. They are also no doubt underpriced but if I raise the price and my broker in Mississippi comes up with an updated distribution plan I will probably go into receivership. ;) 
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2021, 08:17:00 PM »
   I got out and cut this 8' log off a 16' one and sawed it up.


I stopped by our florist today and showed her a 2' planter and she decided they were too heavy so I told her I'd try making some 1' versions.


I started 3" from each end and cut out a 6" plug, skipped 6", and repeated. Since the cut out was so short I just used the chainsaw. By the the time I bore cut to get my plug I only had to cut another couple inches anyway. This is the reassembled log.


I went ahead and sawed them up into 4- 1' planters and left 2 as 2' doubles. I can cut them in half later if I find 1' planters sell better. When I finished I had one screw left so I guess I am shut down till I get back to the hardware store. I've been using 3-1/2" deck type screws with a square bit driver (You could use a big Phillips head bit). I went over and got down my last 1"X8"X8' spruce board out of stock and planed it and cut into 12" lengths to make more crates. A 12" wide X 8" high X 18" strips leaves a 12"X16" X 8" crate using my 3/8" X 2' lath strips just fits a dozen quart fruit jars. I use them all over the place for storing cookies, tools, etc. I'm low on stock so wanted some more for my weekend flea market trip. 

   I will be close to a Lowes so I'll pick up some stuff to make an outhouse for a lady in Covington VA about 60 miles away who saw my Craigslist ad and ordered one today. She wants to set it by her barn. She says it is too far from the house and no problem for the men but she needed something better. She was thinking an old style deep pit outhouse but decided on a composting toilet with just a plastic tote and sawdust under the bench. I think that will work better and she can always change it later if she doesn't like it. I'll throw in several bags of sawdust for free just because i am such a nice guy. I may have to get creative on a toilet paper holder or something to customize it even more. :D
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« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2021, 09:06:46 AM »
 Here's my first try at copying y'all's planters.

 

 

 Next ones I'm going to make the ends 3" and the bottom 2" thick. The 2 I made first are too heavy  :o ;D.
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« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2021, 09:24:12 AM »
Ed,

   Looks good. Did you encounter any tension issues when you put the sides back on? Sometimes I have trouble getting, usually only one side, them to lay flat. 

    If you like the rounded top look next time just cut the bottom then cut off and save the sides then cut out the centers and reattach the sides without ever cutting off the top.

   Note: Be sure you use those only for personal use because if you sell them, due to various patent requirements, you have to pay all labor and processing costs, then send half to Mississippi and half to Kansas City and make a donation to the FF. (Note to all: Jeff does not levy that fee - it is coming from other unnamed members. ;)). I had to stop making mine for a while and started making hat and coat racks instead to keep from going bankrupt. :D :D
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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2021, 07:16:06 AM »
 No  I didn't have any trouble with tension but the slabs were only 1 1/2" thick. I don't see how anyone could sell these as they are time consuming to cut out and heavy to move around :o. Rita got this one for her b-day at the end of the month and I'll make 2 more for her nieces and I think I'll steal some of y'all's other idea's  ;D for other sale items. Rita likes the coat hanger piece  8).
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« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2021, 11:52:30 PM »
 

 

 

 
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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2021, 06:15:40 AM »
@Nebraska I gotta ask. Dir you make a little 'excursion' on the design with this? Seems to me that your corners down in the bottom where the blade would start/stop is really square. Did you cut the entire center block off then slice  off the end and center dividers and re-attach? This is what I have in mind to do when I take a shot at this. I would think it would save some time but risk more re-assembly issues as noted by the experts here.
 Also, questions for Howard on the planters, I didn't notice any drain holes, what are you thoughts on that?
 I have been following right along here with the intent of giving it a try when/if I can find time to get back on the mill. But I have also been keeping my mouth shut because I notice the rapidly escalating duties, fees, and licensing requirements. ;D :D :)
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« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2021, 07:23:46 AM »
 My planters are pretty ugly looking and all 3 of Rita's nieces want one. I put another pine log on the mill then found out I put it on wrong ( butt First ) went to start the mill and the rope broke so I gave up and went to the house and layed on the hot pad  :( .
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« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2021, 08:11:53 AM »
 @Old Greenhorn  I just took the taper and some of the rotten sapwood off of the bottom so it would sit level,  the back side is the same way. Then squared a cant out of the center. I trimmed the dividers  with a fairly  sharp chainsaw. I used Elmer's Gorilla glue look alike (because  that's what the little hardware store in town has)
and six inch coated rss screws. I will add holes in the bottom to place stoppers in so I can drain it.  Debating about finishing  the inside with a paraffin  or bees wax mixture or just leave it to breath. In a month or so I will soak the outside with Viking paint.

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« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2021, 09:47:54 AM »
Nebraska,

   Looks good and I really like the top. I also wondered if the divider was still permanently connected to the bed as it is awful square and looks like it was added back afterwards.

    When I cut the centers out of mine with the mill I'd get short 1" boards. Not worth it on a 1' planter with a 6" opening so I just cut all that with a chainsaw. When using the mill on the last cut I'd leave the blade spinning and raise slowly to help even out the cut at that end up all still had a little slope to them.

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   I did not install drain holes. The sides generally were not water tight and would allow for some drainage although when wet I understand they will swell and close that gap. The soft wood is pretty porous and is going to wick away a good bit of any standing water. If that is not enough the owner will have to drill a few more holes in the bottom as needed. 

   I guess we could seal around the seams and sell them as pet water troughs for people with more money than sense. I'm thinking high end horse owners or an old hippy chick customer of mine with a pet miniature donkey, sheep, pot-bellied pigs, assorted fowl, etc. She is living with a redneck boyfriend with Plott hounds and Pit bulls and a large gun collection. It is very rewarding to see the hippies and the rednecks finally getting together. 
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