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The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« on: April 03, 2015, 08:26:14 PM »
I live in the St. Louis area. While watching the news today they had arrested two men for stealing walnut logs. They stole a tow truck cut the tree down and drug it with the truck. They have been doing this before without getting caught. They sell the logs for drug money. The part that I thought was interesting was the news caster said that a walnut log can bring in $10,000 for one log. I buy my walnut for 50 cents a foot. When I dry it and sell it I am lucky to get $4 a BF. Where do they get their information? If I could get $10000 for my good logs, please let me know where because I want to be a walnut logger.
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2015, 08:31:35 PM »
"PROJECTED VALUE
The most ever paid for a single black walnut log was $90,000. "

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Maybe if you're high on something you pay more?   :D :D :D

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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2015, 08:50:29 PM »
Three months ago I had a losing bid on a single log that went for 42,000 $.....Rob
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2015, 09:33:03 PM »
Guy prob was lyin to ya.    I was biddin a walnut, so i was looking for local pricing, found a mill in southern iowa i think , and it was posted clearly on his page $2 something a bd foot, only if its solid, venere grade 2-3ft solid dia.      This guy's log is 10 in,   and i thought i was generous bidding .50/bd ft, told him how its done, everything from measurement, to how scale works, estimate calculation from standing tree ect.     Its still up in the air,   wont be the last time ive been told "its worth more than that as firewood "... to i say. Do as you want.  Yep its worth more, after its sawn, dried and planed.

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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2015, 12:03:14 AM »
I don't even like walnut ,but I have a guy that buys all mine for $2 strait off the saw I have never paid over $50 for a good walnut log but people come wanting some sawed like they have Prob paid too much theyre quick to give instruction on babying their log !
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2015, 06:29:33 AM »
Back in the late '70s, they ran an article in the paper where a single walnut tree in Indiana brought $36,000.  Sounded like an exaggeration, so I asked a timber buyer for the local veneer company if they would pay that.  He said they would, if the tree was worth it.  In today's dollars, that's over $100k.  It was forest grown, and I believe the dbh was around 36".

Roll ahead 25 years and our trucker came into the yard and said he saw a $50k walnut log.  There was a German company that set up a yard, and they were buying walnut, as well as oak.  That $50k log was 15', and bigger than you could fit on most mills.  The value was in the ring spacing.

Apparently ring spacing is often the key.  I mentioned to a veneer buyer about hybrid walnut that was supposed to be 18" in 25 years.  His response was "who would want it". 

There's walnut that has value, and there's walnut that doesn't.  The average person doesn't know that.  The media report wasn't wrong.  They were reporting of high value.  They weren't reporting what they guys got for the logs. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2015, 07:04:01 AM »
Its easy for folks, with no dog in the fight, to say oh that old tractor is worth a lot of money, uninformed owners love to hear that. Stuff is worth what people will pay for it. If folks in the industry paid that much for a log it was probably worth a lot more. Frank C.
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2015, 07:18:43 AM »
Terrifictimbersllc, Thanks. That is a good read.
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2015, 08:29:58 PM »
Had a guy call me yesterday that lives about 1.5 hours (drive time) away from me.  Said he knew some people that had 35 black walnut trees, and they wanted to sell them.  He would fell them and get them ready to haul, he just wanted to make a little on the deal.  The plan was to send me some pics, and then next week, I would go with him to meet the people and discuss price. 

I told him that many people thought that walnut was worth a fortune, and that they are only worth as much as someone will pay.  The red flag went up when he said that someone offered $500/tree, and they turned that down.  I was a bit skeptical after hearing that.

So today he called back and we talked some more, especially about price.  I gave him the info on what I knew some recently sold for which was about $200/ton.  That is about $1.60/BF Doyle.  Of course I had not seen the trees and did not know the quality.

So, just like he said, he sent me about 12 pictures.  Some of the trees looked pretty good, and some of them were small.  There was one interesting thing, though,  They were not black walnut trees, they were HICKORY   :D

They should have took the $500/tree  ;).  That obviously was a not truthful statement on this Dude's part.  I am sure that he was not trying to mislead me  ::).

It is always better if your highly valuable black walnut tree is actually a black walnut tree. 
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2015, 09:17:33 PM »
Wdh, you must have talked to the same people i did . they wanted me to cut there timber . and said theres a huge walnut in the fence row. the guy says he would love to have it cut, i went to check it out and there it was a huge scaly bark (walnut) :D

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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2015, 09:25:46 PM »
Good story WDH. Made me  :D.
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2015, 07:19:24 AM »
Yesterday at the end of sawing up some cherry logs the customer had a 6x6 beam he wanted resawn. His builder said it was black ash and he decided it was too dark to be used for a decorative ceiling application.  The beam looked like it had been oiled and it looked to me like cherry. 

Anyway after the first skim cut it was black walnut plain as day.   Customer was very pleased with 5/4 boards which were highly valuable.
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2015, 08:57:51 AM »
wdh thats priceless!
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2015, 09:08:56 AM »





This is where the 'news personality' got their info.....


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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2015, 11:23:29 AM »
How many calls we have had where people want to sell their walnut tree for $2000. We would have to cut it down AND pay them for it!! I'm not a tree service and at 58, don't climb anything more than a 6' step ladder. Knees hurt.

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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2015, 12:42:52 PM »
WDH, That's funny and a good reason to always ask for pictures.  Too bad they contacted a moderator on the "Tree and Plant ID Forum." :D
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2015, 01:09:07 PM »
Great video, Scott.  The last line is the cherry on top.
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2015, 08:01:00 PM »
Robert,

I have had just a tad bit of experience with tree ID  :D.

Here is the response I got:

"There is walnuts all over the ground.  I guarantee that they are walnut trees I will mail you some of the hulls off the ground."

Then there was this:

"They may be hickory trees.  They have been selling the nuts as walnuts to an Asian woman.  If they are in fact hickory would you still be interested or do you know someone who might be?"

I told him that I had plenty of hickory.  Did not want to get into a discussion about Highly Valuable Hickory Trees. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2015, 09:23:36 PM »
lol lol lol
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Re: The reason behind "Highly valuable walnut"
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2015, 09:46:22 PM »
At least he knows how to back up.   ;D
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