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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2017, 04:29:10 PM »
Oh sweet!
I actually set mine up on some RR ties on edge so it would not make me bend over to run it.

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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2018, 12:59:57 AM »
Question for all you guys using these edgers... Is the finished board straight and accurate enough to feed into a T&G machine?  On a different thread I am told the boards need to be very consistent - within 1/8".  Does the 13hp Honda have enough power to saw both sides of 2" pine?  Or does the extra $1,100 give you more speed as well with the 20hp?
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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2018, 05:53:45 AM »
Buy it without an engine and put a 22 go
Predator on it.
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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2018, 07:33:39 AM »
I had a 25HP Kohler put on mine, for less than the 20 Honda, and Darin sourced some fine cut, basically glue line blades for me for KD lumber. 

Ran 500 bft of pine and 100 bft of cherry day before yesterday through the edger then the moulder, zero hickups. Have 500 bf of oak I edged last evening to run through today. 

I don't think you can buy a better machine when it comes to cut quality. Others may be the same, but cost more. I know of another brand that had to take back a machine that would not cut straight. 
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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2018, 10:31:29 AM »
Southside Logger,
What kind of moulder are you running?   Do you edge a bunch then mould or do you try to keep the standby of stock limited to cut down on wood movement (bow/twist) while it waits?

If I'm looking at a $12-18k bill to have my rough lumber sized and T&G'd.  I'm trying to figure out how to buy the right mix of equipment to get the job done for that amount.  Buying the Riehl bare and sourcing an inexpensive (CL) engine is a good start.  It would be even better if I could get a moulder that was gas powered!  Otherwise I would have to get a better generator to run that.  For fire protection, the County has specified I need to get an auto start genny to run my 2hp fire pump.  Maybe up-size that to use with the moulder.
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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2018, 05:50:34 PM »
I have a WoodMaster WM4000 - the new 4 head model they came out with last year.  Some lumber is edged twice.  Once when it comes off the saw if it's a flitch to get it close to it's final target size, then everything is edged as it comes our of the kiln.   Basically it's straight lined at that point as I use both blades on the edger and a custom fence so my left side cuts 1/2" off and the right is set to the final width I want, it works slick,  flip the fence out of the way and I have the standard 4" to work a flitch with.  I don't have any issues with lumber moving after edging it given it's dry.  

I think I paid around $1300 for my Kohler with free shipping, brand new, had it shipped to Riehl and he set it up for me.  Personally I would be a bit leery of a cheap CL engine given how most folks treat stuff like that.  

My moulder is on a 70 amp breaker, you also have to allow for a dust collector - and a good sized one, at least 5,000 FPM just to the moulder, so there is another decent amp draw there,  don't even think of just letting the shavings fly out like some do with a planner, you will have a train wreck in no time.  

Does your $12 - $18K include drying?  Moulders do not like green lumber, they really, really, don't like it.  Unless you have an interest in selling finished lumber/flooring/moulding later on I am not sure the numbers would pencil out to set yourself up to do it, just on your house project.  You need to figure in your time, the learning curve, wasted / oops material, tooling - you are not going to do all that on one set of knives, so you are either shipping them out and waiting for them to come back or buying a sharpener to do it yourself, that's another $1,100 ish by the time you have the jigs for the planer and moulder knives.  Plan on probably $450 for each complete set of knives including side cutters.

One more thing - I pre plane, basically skip plane, all of my lumber before it hits the moulder, for the same reason that I edge it, the better the product is going in, the easier and faster it is on the moulder and the better it comes out, so effectively I have 7 surfacings to a finished piece of lumber, all in a linear fashion to reduce labor.  I have basically zero tear out as a result, and I get a free peak at what I thought the best face will actually look like.  You can pre-plane with the moulder, just back the side cutters out of the way, but that means double handling of all the material.  

Not trying to be a downer here, just honest with you.  I do this to make a living, and I honestly very much enjoy running the edger and the moulder, both are great tools, but there is a lot to getting it all dialed in.  Both came plug and play, but that does not mean you are ready for that level the day you fire it up, at least I was not.  There were more than a couple very long days that stretched into the wee hours of the morning.  

Maybe there is an old belt driven type of 4 head out there somewhere that you could hook up to a gas engine, but my gut tells me that if you want to find it you better be looking in the field areas behind old mills that are long gone, and bring along a 55 gallon drum of Blue Creeper to try and get her moving again.    
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2018, 11:22:57 PM »
To answer your question about drying - I am air drying.  Thanks for the details.
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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2018, 12:47:52 AM »
Are you not going to heat treat and set the pitch as well?
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2018, 02:01:12 AM »
I have Red, White and Ponderosa Pines and Incense Cedar.  Out of 7,200 bd-ft cut so far, I only had one sappy board.  It had a pitch pocket that I cut out.  I had one big old tree that I ended up rejecting 2 logs from.  Big knots and oozing pitch, they would just not cut so they will be benches or part of a big bonfire.
John Sawicky

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SkyTrak 9038, Davis Little Monster backhoe, Case 16+4 Trencher, Home Built 42" capacity/32" cut Bandmill up to 54' long - using it all to build a timber frame cabin.

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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2018, 05:07:56 PM »
I know this thread is old but was wondering if that edger is still preforming good for any of u guys that are running on for a long period of time.They're pretty reasonably priced as a edger goes.Any feedback would be appriciated before I pull the pin and buy the edger in this thread.thanks

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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2018, 07:13:38 PM »
Use it multiple days a week, actually ran it yesterday.   Had Darin make me up a custom, sliding adjustable fence that allows me to use the left set blade to SLR from 1/4" to 3/4" off the board and set the right side to the desired width so basically a double sided SLR with two adjustable sets.  Makes prep coming out of the kiln one pass and done with minimal waste.  Personally I use 3 in 1 oil on all of the sliding components and I get a couple days run before I need to re-oil things.  I would buy another one tomorrow should I need one, they are under priced for the value you get.  
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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2018, 07:55:11 PM »
I still have mine and use it every week.

Sometimes we use it for a whole week as we stack up our grade flitches and edge out a semi load all at once which takes a few days.

I retro fitted mine with a 15 hp 3 phase electric motor.

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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2018, 10:24:20 PM »
Thank you for your replies,I donít saw enough to justify needing one right now,however Iím building a new barn next year and going to do board and batten siding so I think it would be pretty nice to have ,but I hate edging on the wm.

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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2018, 10:31:51 PM »
One more question,is the motor direct drive to the edger blades or is there some sort of slip clutch or idler pulley to engage the blades.thank you guys again for your feed back

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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2018, 10:37:39 PM »
Direct drive to the blades and power feed. You will never want to edge on your mill again after running an edger.
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2018, 08:40:20 AM »
The motor has a belt / pulley between it and the blade shaft. Another belt from that to a gearbox runs the power feed. No slip clutch. 


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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2021, 05:35:07 AM »
Hello - to all on this post, this is 3 years old  - I am in the market for an edger and was wondering if there were any updates on the edgers discussed - be great to know after a few years of BF how they were working, what you would have done differently, or configured differently
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Re: Riehl board edger
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2021, 07:11:57 AM »
Are considering others besides a Riehl?
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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2021, 10:06:45 AM »
Are considering others besides a Riehl?
I am looking at Riehl, Baker, WM and Thomas  - just starting to investigate - trying to get a sense of pros and cons of the different models.  So far I like the Baker (like you have) but it is a big investment.  

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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2021, 03:21:45 PM »
Don't let cost make you choose one .
Wait and save for one you like .
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