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Title: welding cast iron
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2005, 10:18:11 PM
Need some advice from some of you weldng experts. i need to make a new drive shaft for my hydraulic pump on my tractor(front mount for my fel). Can't seem to find on factory built. I managed to scrounge up a sline and gear but nee to weld it to my old shaft and coupler. The coupler is cast and the spline gear is steel. How do I go about welding them so it will stay together? LeeB
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: etat on January 14, 2005, 11:01:45 PM
Ouch. If I understand you correctly  you are talking about having to  to weld  a cast iron coupler onto a steel shaft.   Cast iron to steel is not a good combination.  Cast iron is notorious for breaking at the weld. I would imagine that the vibration and stress between the motor and the pump would compound this problem.  Would it be feasable to drill a hole through the shaft and coupler and pin them together with a hardened bolt and nut?
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: Fla._Deadheader on January 15, 2005, 03:11:30 AM

  Charles is correct, so far. Need more info. ::) ;D
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: woodhick on January 15, 2005, 03:41:14 AM
 Can you give more details.  What type of pump, number of splines.  I know of a place where you can get steel couplings for different spline pumps but I don't know if the rules allow me to post this info.  E-mail me direct and I will let you know or if one of the administrators say's it's ok I'll post here. :P :P
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: Bro. Noble on January 15, 2005, 03:46:59 AM
Use nickel rod,  pre-heat everything,  weld as cool as possible(low amperage,  short beads,  weld a little in one place and then skip to another),  after welding a short bead,  peen the weld and the area around it to relieve stress,  when finished,  insulate the whole thing and let it cool very slowly.
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: Tom on January 15, 2005, 05:20:31 AM
I'm no welder, so this is a suggestion to look into not one to just do.   Fellows that are joining dissimilar metals around here braze them.  I've seen brass all over sawmills and even large broken parts of old planers, trim saws and stuff like that.  I took a broken piece from my sawmill to a welding shop a few years ago expecting to get it welded on the spot but he wouldn't do it.  He said that brazing would be stronger and I'd have to come back after lunch to get it.  I think he wanted the time to cool the joint properly ( or wanted to go eat lunch :D )    Anyway, the joint has held. :)
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: Greenskeeper on January 15, 2005, 06:28:33 AM
Lee,all good segestions.I would per heat as hot as you can get it, and braze myslef.
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2005, 05:35:25 PM
sounds like this is outa my league :D guess I'll find a machine shop to make me a new shaft. LeeB
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: etat on January 15, 2005, 05:57:03 PM
I was hoping that would be an option. I believe it takes a lot of torque to turn a hydraulic pump.  The least amount of misalignment or vibration would be a bad thing.  While I do agree with the information about preheating to both weld, or braze, I just can't see it holding up.

The hydraulic pump that connects to the front of my tractor utilizes a bolt on coupling and rubber bushings to allow some leway for the vibration between the two.
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: Frank_Pender on January 15, 2005, 06:19:35 PM
The rubber bushing along with a jackshaft coupler should do the trick?
Title: Re: welding cast iron
Post by: Al_Smith on January 15, 2005, 06:53:21 PM
A little piece of cast iron,is not normaly a problem to weld,because it won't usualy crack due to irregular heat transfer.You should have,however,a flex type coupling of some sort installed .A "moreflex"type,is a good option.As far as welding,pure nickle is the best choice.If you can find a steel coupler,it would be better than cast iron.On a little piece of iron,you don't need any pre heat,but peen the weld,as this stress releaves it,after each pass.