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Title: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Escavader on December 15, 2018, 08:19:50 AM
  Whats anybody using to turn them without marking.i cannot have marks or dings on them.a cant dog works ,until you get to where you are gonna touch a planed face.then its muscles .small stuff aint bad yesterday full 7 by full 12s.kicking my butt by days end. Iusually work alone.(i prefer it)
  I sometimes tip them with a forklift and finish  the roll by hand.this takes way too long.
  Has anyone invented a padded cant dog  or some type of strap or anything.your thoughts appreciated.
My tracks at knee height and i can do a 20 by 20 up to 40 feet long max.although nothing that big yet lol


Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Brad_bb on December 15, 2018, 09:53:57 AM
A 3 or 4 foot looped load strap and a bar to turn.  Mine is Hickory. I did break one on a big timber.  I typically turn cants by hand If I can and my off bearer helps me.  I only use the strap when it's too big to do by hand with the both of us.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16191/Timber_lever4.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1239761154)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16191/Craig_solution.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1239898229)
 
I think this second pic was drawn by Jim Rogers.
Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Southside on December 15, 2018, 10:24:29 AM
Could you end dog them, lift and rotate like a rotisserie?  Or cut them a bit long and turn from the ends using a cant hook? 
Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Escavader on December 15, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
I usually like to do the opposing faces first like on a 6 by 12 to avoid cranking up and down so far.i like the load strap.i also saw at bottom of my post "similar threads"i saw a pony clamp .i wonder if i could modify one with wood  on it or padding.white pine dents easy
Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Jim_Rogers on December 15, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: Brad_bb on December 15, 2018, 09:53:57 AM
A 3 or 4 foot looped load strap and a bar to turn.  Mine is Hickory. I did break one on a big timber.  I typically turn cants by hand If I can and my off bearer helps me.  I only use the strap when it's too big to do by hand with the both of us.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16191/Timber_lever4.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1239761154)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16191/Craig_solution.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1239898229)
 
I think this second pic was drawn by Jim Rogers.
Nope not me.
Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Jim_Rogers on December 15, 2018, 03:09:19 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/20180716_101252~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1544904472)
 

Last summer on a job site the customer gave me one of these tools to use to roll over 10x10 posts. I didn't get a picture of the brand name of it but you could use something like this and add some wood pads to the brackets.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Escavader on December 15, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on December 15, 2018, 03:09:19 PM

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/20180716_101252~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1544904472)
 

Last summer on a job site the customer gave me one of these tools to use to roll over 10x10 posts. I didn't get a picture of the brand name of it but you could use something like this and add some wood pads to the brackets.

Jim Rogers
That looks similar to a pony clamp .thats kinda what am thinking.i also like the other ideas.im trying to mass produce these timbers,so speed is a factor too
Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Ljohnsaw on December 15, 2018, 06:44:26 PM
How about making a special lever/pry bar.  Think about a 2 prong pitch fork but made with some 1/2" square tube stock.  Bend the tips up about 90° or so.  Now place the fork so it straddles the log bunk and the tips of the fork (make them with a pivoting pad?) touch the near edge under the cant.  Pull the handle back and it will lift the cant up.  You might need to toss a block under the cant to support it while you re-position the fork.  Once you get it high enough and near the balance point, you can roll it over by hand.
Title: Re: Mp 100 turning planed cants
Post by: Brad_bb on December 15, 2018, 10:14:37 PM
The strap works well.  You've got leverage on your side.  IF your load strap is a bit long for the perimeter of the cant, you just rotate the strap until you get it in proper position for your lever to be positioned properly.

Maybe I did draw that pic Jim, I just couldn't remember and I didn't want to post it and not give credit if you did.

Also, FYI I more often do the opposite of what is shown in the sketch.  If I'm on the non-operator side of the mill I rotate it down towards me.