As I roam YouTube world, came across vids of some European-made bandsaws. Real high-end stuff. Mebor was one and Wravor another. Wow......just wow!
tom
Quote from: wisconsitom on January 25, 2019, 08:16:07 AM
As I roam YouTube world, came across vids of some European-made bandsaws. Real high-end stuff. Mebor was one and Wravor another. Wow......just wow!
tom
Hi
Here I can maybe help because both sawmills you mentioned are from my country. Mebor and Wravor are Slovenian factories with extremely good machines. In my opinion, Mebor is even better than Wravor. I had been given a chance to visit Mebor factory and when you see for example Mebor 1300 Pro ... your eyes would have sparkle inside :)
But both produce only big stationary sawmills but no mobile version. Mebor had one, but too heavy to be able to tow with a pickup truck.
I really like the Serra Mills. They are very competitive in pricing too. No idea why they haven't caught on.
Just looked at Serra-thanks for that reference. Interesting stuff. Will be looking into more....
And those Slovenian machines are amazing. MobileSaw-I intend to ultimately install a stationary saw rig, so portability is not important. Cost/value ratio is important. Does Mebor compete with N. American stationary rig suppliers of comparable quality?
Thanks,
tom
Resch&3: Because time is money, and it aint worth more because it took you longer to cut it.
RESCH & 3 Blockbandsäge / Sawmill ES1200PROFI - YouTube (https://youtu.be/8BQmC_96wLo)
Quote from: wisconsitom on January 25, 2019, 01:10:33 PM
Just looked at Serra-thanks for that reference. Interesting stuff. Will be looking into more....
And those Slovenian machines are amazing. MobileSaw-I intend to ultimately install a stationary saw rig, so portability is not important. Cost/value ratio is important. Does Mebor compete with N. American stationary rig suppliers of comparable quality?
Thanks,
tom
Honestly... with regards the value question.
You get what you pay for. Doesnt matter where in the world a mill is manufactured those wide bands cost $ to buy and maintain. But with that comes a whole lot of production increase. Wide bands cut wider straighter and faster, and when you get paid by the BF.... well theres a reason big operations dont have 10 orange mills to do what one headrig and a resaw can right?
Thing is that you've got to get past the mindset that a fast saw equals high production. A fast saw just means that logs get sliced up fast. High production is the result of a fast saw on a sawline that can let it work to its capacity... so its about log infeed, and board outfeed, and edgers, and resaws, and dockers, and stick placers, and general organisation, and a waste stream. A sawline is only as good as its slowest component, and if you stick a 12" band headrig in front of a LCD (lift, carry, drag) board handling system it wont do any more than a thin band mill will with the same offbearers
I like the Resch mills, be the best of the mid sized euros I've seen.
I like the slant bed Sanborns.... same kind of class mill but US made.
I like Kara for small circle mills.... same kind of output capacity
And a Hewsaw R250 would be nice too. :D
Thing is you got to start with a plan and build it from there. And your plan needs to look at what your resource is, and what is the most profitable and efficient way to covert that resource into a saleable product. Wood ships alla round the world.... you cut it cheap enough you can sell it, dont worry about market access it'll happen all by itself.
From there its all just spending money to put it together, read my tagline. ;D
I have an old CD4
VID 20170814 110822 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/o9dKNMIlNpc)
These have descendants in CD5 CD8 and CD10 from brenta.
HORIZONTAL BANDSAW CD - YouTube (https://youtu.be/6QhYu3FL8cM)
I like pezzolato too. A friend has a double cut 1000 or 1200, which is for sale now.
Mini-Profi 1000 stationary BICOUPE - Pezzolato horizontal saw-mills - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Ct02jbd6wsw)
I quite like the autotrek one. If i had to go mobile, i wouldn't mind this one.
Loglogic Autotrek Sawmill Promo Video - YouTube (https://youtu.be/iDzc1xPwv7Q)
HTH
@teed (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=27650) is a member here that uses Logosol and has several videos of their equipment. Nice equipment though it may be smaller than you are after.
LL, that Resch&3 is impressive, but a drag back would be more efficient, no? Especially like the live rolls and hold down dogs that u.s. companies devilishly withhold from us, and the fact that the euro lt70 has them is positively anger inducing. smiley_thumbsdown
Not sold on the center dogging setup, but might be ok.
Thanks all, and may as well mention another US-made brand-Cleereman Lumber Pro. Truly amazing, high-tech bandsaw/carriage technology...and made right nearby in
Newald, WI! That Cleereman stuff may be the most advanced I've looked at.
But.............
Been doing a good deal of thinking on this and have come to some basic realizations. They are:
- I will be primarily doing TSI and thinning of my own growing stock-primarily fast-growing hybrid larch...such that I will be looking to mill the runts and least-vigorous stuff first, and for some years to come.
- I will be attempting to make such items as decking boards, interior paneling, trim, possibly timbers like 6"x6"s, etc, possibly flooring. In other words. for a good deal of the time, I will be sawing relatively small, softwood stock, to primarily make smaller items, as well as beams.
- I will probably end up with something like an LT-15, but would simply love something like an LT-20 (do they make that model anymore?).
- I do appreciate the debarker saw.
- I remain committed to ultimately having a stationary installation, powered by electric motor/all necessary phase converters, etc.
- I wouldn't mind hydraulics, but think I can live without.
Two things I might be doing quite a bit of in say, the next ten years, is trying to produce "sample" cuts of two exciting woods I am growing-to showcase the many products that could be made from each of them. These are the hybrid larch I've already got growing there by the thousands...and a series of closely-related hybrid aspen clones I will be trialing on my site, with one of the goals with that group being to produce wood with figured grain. In both cases, it might prove helpful to me and my group's agenda to be able to produce prototypes of various wood products we could make from those two tree groups. There will be other things too, but that stuff for sure.
I probably can't justify any piece beyond that LT-20, and again, i could totally live with manual stuff for quite some time I think. i believe the words of Longtime Lurker are most apropos to where I'm at right now....several interesting agendas....but not likely some "high production" mill situation in the woks at this time. Nor do i want to take a saw rig down the road to other folk's sites. Nice business model perhaps, but not what I'm trying to do.
Saw youtubes in Asia where they had LT-15s with autofeed, computer, hydraulics! That actually makes some sense to me. What do you guys think about some of my words here? I'm humbled today, and actually feeling good. I think I know what I need now....something in the lower WM line.
And finally, when I really think about it, the Norwood unit actually looks to be a bit more ergonomic than the WM, if we're talking manual feed. I prefer where the push bar is on the Norwood-that side makes more sense-you can see what's going on better. Also not impressed with the WM crank feed. Probably prefer to push with whole body.
Quote from: JB Griffin on January 27, 2019, 08:28:12 PM
LL, that Resch&3 is impressive, but a drag back would be more efficient, no? Especially like the live rolls and hold down dogs that u.s. companies devilishly withhold from us, and the fact that the euro lt70 has them is positively anger inducing. smiley_thumbsdown
Not sold on the center dogging setup, but might be ok.
I've seen other Reach videos using a dragback, I think that's their normal setup.
Forwards, backwards... All the same. What's smart is the operator of that mill is separating products multiple ways from his cab while cutting the next board. And the counter/ crosscut saw... I could find a use for that too.
My ambition is not to be the biggest sawmill in the country, but to be the most efficient small one. Labour is a problem here; hard to get a good man and harder still to afford him when you do. How to do the most with the least manpower is where its at for me.... The more things being done simultaneously by the smart guys the less the not so bright need to think, and that means less of them and less training required for the ones you got.
Go to the Wood-Mizer site via the link here, I am looking at one on the left. They have pricing ability on their site. You can price a LT10, 15, 35 etc. From time to time they will have sales advertised on their site.
Quote from: longtime lurker on January 28, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: JB Griffin on January 27, 2019, 08:28:12 PM
LL, that Resch&3 is impressive, but a drag back would be more efficient, no? Especially like the live rolls and hold down dogs that u.s. companies devilishly withhold from us, and the fact that the euro lt70 has them is positively anger inducing. smiley_thumbsdown
Not sold on the center dogging setup, but might be ok.
I've seen other Reach videos using a dragback, I think that's their normal setup.
Forwards, backwards... All the same. What's smart is the operator of that mill is separating products multiple ways from his cab while cutting the next board. And the counter/ crosscut saw... I could find a use for that too.
My ambition is not to be the biggest sawmill in the country, but to be the most efficient small one. Labour is a problem here; hard to get a good man and harder still to afford him when you do. How to do the most with the least manpower is where its at for me.... The more things being done simultaneously by the smart guys the less the not so bright need to think, and that means less of them and less training required for the ones you got.
Yep, labor is a big problem here too. I did like being able to sort from the cab.
The debarker/edger/trim saw is impressive and opens up some possibilities.
Quote from: JB Griffin on January 29, 2019, 10:35:31 PM
Quote from: longtime lurker on January 28, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: JB Griffin on January 27, 2019, 08:28:12 PM
LL, that Resch&3 is impressive, but a drag back would be more efficient, no? Especially like the live rolls and hold down dogs that u.s. companies devilishly withhold from us, and the fact that the euro lt70 has them is positively anger inducing. smiley_thumbsdown
Not sold on the center dogging setup, but might be ok.
I've seen other Reach videos using a dragback, I think that's their normal setup.
Forwards, backwards... All the same. What's smart is the operator of that mill is separating products multiple ways from his cab while cutting the next board. And the counter/ crosscut saw... I could find a use for that too.
My ambition is not to be the biggest sawmill in the country, but to be the most efficient small one. Labour is a problem here; hard to get a good man and harder still to afford him when you do. How to do the most with the least manpower is where its at for me.... The more things being done simultaneously by the smart guys the less the not so bright need to think, and that means less of them and less training required for the ones you got.
Yep, labor is a big problem here too. I did like being able to sort from the cab.
The debarker/edger/trim saw is impressive and opens up some possibilities.
Have a look at the edger setup on this Mebor..
MOBILE BAND SAW with inbuilt EDGER - Mebor S-Mobile 13 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/uQlxIVETV5A)
I'm no bandmill expert and I'm the first to acknowledge it. And I'm not commenting on the mill or its other features, just he edger. But why is this not an option on a lot more mills? I mean... from what I can see there its basicly eliminating the need for a separate edger to a large degree, and more importantly its eliminating the need for a man to drive that edger, or for the mill to stop so the edger can run because you're cutting by yourself.
Yanno an edger has been an pretty common accessory to a circular mill for years.... I'm not seeing why bandmill manufacturers arent all over this. Price it as more than your regular orange edger if you like.... it's still cheaper because of the manpower/ time is money equation. I just don't get it.
Lurker, I don't freakin know it makes no freakin sense to me. Like you said vert. edgers have been on circle mills for YEARS, why not on band mills, not like it can't be done.
Quote from: JB Griffin on January 30, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
Lurker, I don't freakin know it makes no freakin sense to me. Like you said vert. edgers have been on circle mills for YEARS, why not on band mills, not like it can't be done.
I believe the now closed up Canadian company Povlsen sold a wide cut mill with an edger built in.