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General Forestry => Drying and Processing => Topic started by: Kirk_Allen on March 03, 2005, 09:05:45 PM

Title: What if?
Post by: Kirk_Allen on March 03, 2005, 09:05:45 PM
Has anyone ever used Anhydrous Amonia before?  In science class we would drip some on a dollar bill and almost instantly the moisture in the bill is gone and it shrinks to about half its normal size.

Because it has the perpencity to displace moisture is it possible that it could be used to dry wood?  I know it may be a streatch but with folks hitting the fields this week it crossed my mind.

The other thought was Liquied Nitrogen.  We use it eliminate moisture in one of our Haz Mat manufacturing processes.  I would think that it wouuld have the same effect on lumber?

OK, it may be way out there but until I try it and fail I think it will work.  Dont know how feasable though as I dont know how much it will take to Get-R-Done!
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: Brad_S. on March 03, 2005, 10:02:39 PM
Around here that anhydrous amonia is hot stuff, literally. For a while there was a major rash of thefts of the stuff off farms by illicit drug producers. Might still be and it just doesn't make the news anymore. Apparently it is used in the production of crystal meth.
Never saw that dollar bill trick, sounds real interesting. Wouldn't want my boards shrinking to half their size, though. :D
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: Fla._Deadheader on March 04, 2005, 06:52:42 AM

  I believe the Goobermint has the shrinking dollar bill concession locked up. ::) :D :D :D
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: Kirk_Allen on March 04, 2005, 10:35:42 AM
Harold Stop :'(  I laughed so hard it made my ribs hurt again. 

We have had LOTS of theft of the stuff around hear to.  Most folks have been briefed by the sharriff.  They tell us to call them and dont intervine if we see a theft taking place. 

Kinda hard for me to sit back and do nothing. Lots of guns, have ammo, will travel :D

Reminds me of living in Biloxi MS when I was in the service.  At 2:00 am I got up to feed my 6 month old kid.  Looked out the window and 4 thugs were jacking up my neighbors lincoln and stealing his wheels.

Told my wife to call the police as I was leaving the bedroom with my 12 gauge.  Stepped out side, Chunked a round into the chamber and rest assured, those thugs heard it!  They stood up in shock and I assured them I know how to use it and wont hesitate. 

The part that sucked was that while I was holding them at bay my wife forgot to tell the police what I was doing.  When they got there all the guns were drawn on me >:(  We got it sorted out and all 4 ended up spending several years in jail, as this was not their first conviction.  I was told by a rookie cop that he should be arresting me and informed me how I was wrong in my actions.  So be it!  The Supervisor pulled me aside after hearing the rookie and infomed me that they have been trying to nab these guys for months.  He said he wished more citizins would take a stand for whats right.  Said he was going to have a talk with that rookie ;D
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: tnlogger on March 04, 2005, 11:49:51 AM
my thoughts
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Title: Re: What if?
Post by: Stump Jumper on March 04, 2005, 12:01:28 PM
tnloger yes my rists dont hurt so bad when i use both hands on my 44 mag
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: jflytle on March 04, 2005, 12:23:02 PM
Kirk,

I think it's a little different where you are at now. Simply dig a hole, through the airated bandit in, cover to level and plant corn on top. 8)

John
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: Fla._Deadheader on March 04, 2005, 12:28:58 PM

   :-[ :-[  Sorry Kirk. :-[ :-[



  The Debel made me do it.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: Don_Papenburg on March 13, 2005, 10:03:20 PM
I know that NH3 vapour is good for bending wood. As a replacement for steam.   All of the liquid N that I have handled was sticky and the stuff would rust mild steel at a very rapid rateand screw up aluminum also. If you use liquid N to dry lumber you would have to use stainless steel fastners.
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: neslrite on March 13, 2005, 11:03:15 PM
Kirk,
I am not sure how you could use LN2 to dry something, being -320degees F it would freeze any moisture.
But the boil off from LN2 is bone dry, N2 is use alot to dry critical parts because it is pure and dry.

It is expensive!!!

Kevin
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: farmerdoug on March 14, 2005, 08:53:06 PM
Anhydrous amonia is real nasty stuff.  >:( It wants water in the worst way.  It will literally rip it out of the wood or you as a matter of fact.  Between the danger of use and the drug makers most of the farmers around here have switched to 28% nitrogen fertilzer which is a liquid but safer and worthless to the drug crowd.

I think it would do alot of damage to the lumber and when you took it out you would need a has-mat suit.  :o When anhydrous mixes with water you get that ammonia cleaner that you buy in the store.
Title: Re: What if?
Post by: Quartlow on March 19, 2005, 07:21:36 AM
Quote from: Don_Papenburg on March 13, 2005, 10:03:20 PM
I know that NH3 vapour is good for bending wood. As a replacement for steam.   All of the liquid N that I have handled was sticky and the stuff would rust mild steel at a very rapid rateand screw up aluminum also. If you use liquid N to dry lumber you would have to use stainless steel fastners.

I worked at a place when I was younger that used LN to freeze rod bearings for big hydraulic cylanders for ease of instalation and we never had a problem with them rusting. Possibly because it was only in the LN for a short period.

It would be interesdting to see the results of this experiment though.