What's your favorite cant hook for big logs? My hook works great on small stuff but won't grab anything over say 20". The hook point is at too tight of an angle. Thanks
My go to is a 60" logrite . I've turned logs 25" with it. Might could go bigger, I don't know. It will also turn small logs and cants. I pretty sure they make a 72", not sure what size logs you want to turn.
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pick your size.
I have two, a 48" & 60" If I have help they get the shorter one :)
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Quote from: trimguy on May 09, 2020, 10:26:54 AM
My go to is a 60" logrite . I've turned logs 25" with it. Might could go bigger, I don't know. It will also turn small logs and cants. I pretty sure they make a 72", not sure what size logs you want to turn.
I think the 4footer would be plenty long. Have some Spruce and Fir up to 36" and my hook won't grip em. The logrites say up to 28" I think, which is probably enough. I've learned to hook my smaller one in a knot, but, it sure sucks when the knot lets loose!
Cook's makes a rugged cant hook. They claim you will never break it. I purchased one with my mill a few years ago. They were right, I will never break it. It is made out of steel and has a great design shape on the hook that doesn't slip. The problem is that it is too heavy. If you stand it somewhere you shouldn't and it falls over and lands on your foot, you will be reminded of just how heavy duty it is for some time while you are healing up. Compared to the logrite I purchased last year, it makes a great spare at this point. If you have a young guy helping you, give him the Cook's cant hook to use. Keep the Logrite for yourself.
If you already have a shorter one, go with the 60"
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Quote from: lazyflee on May 09, 2020, 10:44:23 AMI think the 4footer would be plenty long.
No, not the 48". They are fine with smaller logs, but if I only had two (and I did for many years) it would be and is the 60". LINK (https://logrite.com/Category/Standard-Series-Cant-Hook)
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60" shown on top. The hooks are longer than those on the 48" to accommodate larger logs.
I have 48,60, and 78. They all get used. Over about 25" unless the log has bumps to hook in on, you want the 78.
If you are not using a logrite, then you are not using the best. If you say your canthook is as good, then you either never used a logrite, or you are a liar or an idiot. BUY A LOGRITE
Got a peavy and a cant hook both 48 inch. Logrite probably will get a longer one for bigger logs. Only need on the road at home use backhoe for big ones.
My 60" Logrite peavey is my go to for everything, from logs to rocks, the point jams in the ground so I don't have to bend over to pick it up. I have the small 18" logrite canthook with the baseball grip for myself at the mill. They really are the best.
I have the smaller woodmizer one that came with the mill, but my big one is a 69" one that was made by my friend Andy(gfadvm). I inherited his mill and the two cant hooks. I use the woodmizer one for regular size logs, up to maybe 20". I use the big one for anything larger. It is built with a 2" schedule 40 steel pipe. It is heavy, but then Andy was also a metal worker, as well as horse vet, sawmill operator and woodworker.
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These are the dogs that I was using when I began sawing over 18 years ago. I still carry the bottom peavey with the steel tubing handle to occasionally use as a pry bar. The cant hook in the center was actually very good, heavy, but good.
I'm still waiting for a picture of a Magic Hook. Mine has the hook off an old flea market cant hook attached to 3' of 1/4" chain with a matching hook on the the other end of the chain. I use it with 1 or 2 - 6' 1/4" chains with hooks on both ends around my movable hydraulic clamp to rotate huge logs on to the lifting arms that are too big to roll over with my 60" LogRite. I've thought several times about buying a 78" LogRite cant or peavy hook but then I keep thinking that would be needed on logs too big for my mill anyway.
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See my Magic Hook on the bottom center on a recent mobile job I did. It is part of my standard kit of must take tools when sawing off site. My "customized" 60" LotRite cant hook can barely be seen on the extreme R side of my truck as most of the yellow paint has been worn off during use.
I use a 60" LogRite. My mill wont handle bigger than 26" so I dont have to worry about it. To be honest, I use my skidsteer forks to turn anything bigger than 20" anyway. Probably being lazy, but my back thanks me
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Magic Hooks. I made mine from broken logging tongs,and they are handy for several chores.
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Such as moving a log on the sawmill using the toe board rollers and side supports.
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Turning a misplaced log using the sawmill's log clamp.
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Turning a large log.
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Picking up and moving logs.
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Holding a huge log close to the log loader. Yup, lotsa uses for a Magic Hook. :)
Seems like the 60" Logrite should be on its way to Montana. Need to make some magic hooks too, they could really solve some problems moving stuff around and off trailers. Our Fearless Leader sportin the Back in Black shirt looks like he means business, so off to the Logrite website I go!....Thanks, Flee
I like Logrites line of tools no doubt, but I mill a lot of really large logs, I move the, with a Peavey Mfg peavy with a large hook on it, I cut a lot of 40" + logs, between the 60" long peaveys and a hi lift jack, sometimes 2, and a Logosol smart pusher, I can move some real big logs, many 2000+ bd ft logs moved with those tools. Fortunately for me not a lot of lifting, just rolling, nudging and positioning for the swingblade to reduce to proper handling size.
Quote from: lazyflee on May 09, 2020, 11:49:33 PMOur Fearless Leader sportin the Back in Black shirt looks like he means business, so off to the Logrite website
You mean the skinny guy in the black t shirt??
Buy some blue creeper at the same time. They can sneak it in and save you money on shipping. Maybe Tammie will sneak in a brownie too. logrite_cool
78" lets you give it to someone else while maintaining social distancing. :laugh:
I set the cant hook so as to push down on the handle taking advantage of my abundant weight, rather than lift with my deteriorated back.
MM,
I have not used mine yet to center the logs on the rails yet but I need to remember that when I get a heavy log loaded that is way off center. I don't have one of those fancy Peter Douin log centering devices to fit between the lifting arms.
Most of the time I use my Magic Hook just to give an extra ummpf to turn a big, heavy contrary log 1/4 turn on to the arms and sometimes to hold one there till it rests there during lifting so it doesn't kick back. About 1/8 of a turn is all that is normally needed till lifted.
In addition to a couple LogRite cant hooks and a Magic Hook, I use a 72" digging bar often for various log handling and sawmill chores. It makes a good stop for one end of a log while some else rolls with a cant hook to pivot a log. Sometimes the Magic Hook-toe roller- log stop method won't get the end of a log over a bunk. The digging bar makes a good lever to lift the end of a log. Need to separate a slab from the cant when the blade gets stuck? The digging bar can lift the slab to release the blade. Digging out to lower the stabilizer jacks is sometimes necessary and the digging bar helps.
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Ted,
A spud bar similar to what you show is in my normal mobile sawing kit too. Sometimes I have to chip out under a landing gear to make sure it is lower than the rails, sometimes I use it to hold one end of a log while I use the cant hook to roll the other to point it at the loading arms and sometimes I use it to jack a mis-centered log from one end of the mill to the other.
Now if you guys got really creative, you'd think "I should put a hook on this spud bar, that would be so slick!" Oh wait, they already make those😁 I prefer a peavey myself, if I had a manual mill where I had to actually turn cants on the bed I'd probably want a regular cant hook. But my peavey works for all the stuff you guys are describing, and occasionally I'll even use the hook and roll a log😁
Ted, your digging bar use is what I use the steel tubing handled peavey for. Sometimes you just need something to pry with. ;D I have even thought about removing the hook because it is no good for rolling logs anyway.
The hook on a peavy or cant hook gets in the way, as Magicman suggests, for the purposes I've described. It often takes more than one tool to manipulate logs. The digging bar is one third the cost of a comparable length peavy or cant hook. The digging bar doesn't replace the need for cant hooks or peavys but is a supplemental tool many have on hand already.
I may just go ahead and remove that worrisome hook from that peavey tomorrow because it's no good for rolling a log anyway. Never was. Then I will have an extra hook. ;D
The hook is a mental block for customers when I tell them to pry one end of the log forward.
"Just lay it on its side like a pry bar"
"Ignore the hook, pretend it is a pry bar"
"NO! Like this".....
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Showed my buddy a picture of those magic hooks, two hours later he shows up at my house with these. Made em out of some old meat hooks he used for trucking beef.
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Did you send the MagicMan his commission for using his design? (MM - What do you mean where is mine for using your idea? Ooops.) :D
I just hope the steel in those hooks is up to the task. Good luck.
It is amazing to me that all these 'wood lovers' like steel handled tools so much.
Quote from: moodnacreek on May 11, 2020, 07:24:43 PM
It is amazing to me that all these 'wood lovers' like steel handled tools so much.
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Maybe it's a trust issue . . .
These tools don't get babied, they get abused, especially when there's a crew of six or seven .
When you've got to put your back into it, to roll a fifty footer, then it's a trust issue.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 11, 2020, 06:51:13 PM. . . . I just hope the steel in those hooks is up to the task. Good luck.
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I bought some mega hooks from Logrite and tried to drill out the bolt hole to take a shackle and chain. Couldn't do it.
That steel is case hardened and TOUGH!
Ten years later, we haven't had one fail.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 11, 2020, 06:51:13 PM
Did you send the MagicMan his commission for using his design? (MM - What do you mean where is mine for using your idea? Ooops.) :D
I just hope the steel in those hooks is up to the task. Good luck.
My buddy thought he remembered the hooks were rated for 1000lbs. Probably mostly using them for rolling logs, we'll see. Magicman...check is in the mail ;D
Quote from: moodnacreek on May 11, 2020, 07:24:43 PM
It is amazing to me that all these 'wood lovers' like steel handled tools so much.
Aluminum is sufficient. Light as wood strong enough to trust. I broke my wood handle timber jack cant hook bought from that un-named tool company from the north.
I've got a few Logrite cant hooks and peveys. ;D
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I believe you got Magicman beat on the cant hooks, but some of those might be peaveys so who knows. But do you have a logrite scale stick?
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Banjo
Quote from: Banjo picker on May 11, 2020, 10:21:12 PM
I believe you got Magicman beat on the cant hooks, but some of those might be peaveys so who knows. But do you have a logrite scale stick?
Banjo
Yes, I do. ;D
The Andries photo; I did that when I first started at age 33. The hook pulled out and I fell on the small of my back on the log behind. Could hardly walk for 3 years. In that photo, look at the man's hands. He can't close them. That's the problem. When you turn hardwood logs, sawing for grade with a cant hook, all day long, for years you understand handles and get real fussy about them. Nowadays I have a hydraulic log deck with stop and load and a log turner and the 5" peavy gets used for a crow bar.
I received this comment today from a customer (may or may not be a member as I can't always match names)
"Well, you just made a repeat customer out of me! My 60" heavy duty cant hook and log stand arrived today. It's true that you certainly get what you pay for. I wish I would have known about Logrite when I bought the short wooden Chinese made dumpwood handle peavey and logjack. I'll be ordering a hookaroon next, and eventually a peavey. I don't move a lot of logs, and these tools are certainly built well above my occasional use needs. However, even in the two hours I used them today I could tell that they are a game changer. I'm learning to work smarter and not harder to avoid re-injuring my lower back. The higher price for a Logrite tool is still far less than the bill from the ER the last go round with my back. Money well spent; I'll pay more for USA quality like Logrite. Thank you, C. Larson"
I just FINALLY ordered and recieved a Logrite 48" peavey and 30" hookeroon. I wasn't disappointed👍 Excellent quality tools. I went and rented a Bell's firewood processor, when I opened the door to the cab I was pleasantly surprised to find a Logrite hookeroon inside the door as well👍 What I wasn't so pleasantly surprised about was how often I have to use the hook to reach out the window to straighten out blocks that fall in the splitting chamber crooked. But that's a different story😊
30" Pickaroon. Might be my favorite tool. HERE (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=83569.msg1275805#msg1275805)
This one is my favorite ;)
will go in the basement when Its done
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And here are two different styles of another.
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I'll bet that there are not many of these floating around. ;D
Magicman
The one on the left is someone else's design. We bought it had it powder coated and then laser engraved. The one on the right was actually designed here by our own intern.
Tammy
Them bottle caps are a long ways from home. ;)
60" logrite came last week. Got to use it yesterday on a 24" Doug Fir. What a difference from my smaller wood handle cant hook. I see a few more Logrites in my future!
Yup, the cant hooks are winners, the bottle openers are treasures, and the bottle caps are runaways. ::)
If I buy a 60 inch logrite can I also buy a right leg bottle opener. Banjo
Yes you can. They are on the website in the tab "just for Fun"
Just for Fun - Logging Tools and Equipment - LogRite Tools LLC (https://logrite.com/Category/swag)
I just ordered a 60 and a bottle opener. 👍. Banjo
Are the woodmizer can't hooks are made by and the same as log rite?
I notice they offer aluminum and steel.
Thx-Ace
Wood-Mizer's website states that the aluminum cant hooks are LOGRITE: LINK (https://woodmizer.com/Store/Product/Index?id=1081)
My two aluminum orange Wood-Mizer cant hooks are from LOGRITE.
I have several logrites, orange, yellow, and blue. The orange one I picked up as a scratch and dent at the open house, I think it was made for WM, but had a logrite label. I couldn't find any scratches on it until after I used it. :laugh:
Anyway. The WM hooks of aluminum are made by logrite the steel ones are made by WM and are engineered differently.
My Logrite cant hooks are the bomb!
I've got a cheap hookaroon and going to order a logrite. My question is what length? It'll be used mostly for firewood processing around the chainsaws and logsplitter, picking up rounds off the ground and reaching. Cannot decide between the 30" or the 36"?
For that type of duty I like the shorter ones. It generally just needs to reach the ground or a tad more when I am standing upright. This saves bending over which is mostly.the while point. I added 3 hours to my workday when I got my first one because I was pain free longer. Don't know why I waited so long. ;D
My Logrite Hookaroon is 30".
30" it is
Ok, for those of you that have not already figured it out, I'm a titewad. I have a cheap, wooden handle can't hook, probably about 42". It works ok. I often see the great reviews for the logrite hooks and for a short time consider buying one but then don't. Other than telling me that they are "great" what part of the function of a can't hook do they do so much better? One thing about mine l don't like is I often have to hit the spike with the back of my axe to get it to grip well. Will I need to do that with a logrite? If not that, then how is one lever, x long, better than another that is the same length? Maybe if I knew I would buy one.
The profile of the logrite cant hook makes it bite into the log. You will not need to hammer in the point.
X2 on that.
Plus (and this is a big plus) you won't break the handle and fall backwards onto hard irregular stuff when you're trying to turn a big honkin' heavy log.
Yeah, it's possible to get by, but little design elements really matter. Shape and size of the hook, shape of the point, type of steel and where it's been hardened, etc. I'm thrifty too, but that means I can spend where it really counts.
Quote from: boonesyard on June 28, 2022, 09:34:34 AM
My Logrite cant hooks are the bomb!
I've got a cheap hookaroon and going to order a logrite. My question is what length? It'll be used mostly for firewood processing around the chainsaws and logsplitter, picking up rounds off the ground and reaching. Cannot decide between the 30" or the 36"?
Determine how much more reach to you need from your hand by your side to the ground. The 30" and 36" are the most popular.
I just bought my second Logrite peavey so I'd have one for around the firewood processor. I like the feel of the rubber grip, and the hook bites in good. I prefer a Peavey, having a hydraulic mill I use mine as a pry bar more than for rolling logs a lot of times. They are easily worth the money for me. A brand new Logrite, compared to a wood handled tool? Well if the wood handled tool has a correctly formed hook, many would probably say it works just as well for half the money. But after it sits outside for a year and the wood begins to weather, you start getting splinters and eventually the handle breaks needing a replacement at $45, you realize you would be money ahead with the Logrite. That's been my personal journey anyhow😊
I have both the 36" and 30" hookeroons, and I prefer the longer one. Your preference will be specific to how you use it though, I'm not picking up blocked firewood but reaching for things across a firewood processor, the box of my pickup, etc and I'm usually wanting as much reach bonus as I can get. I wish Logrite made a heavy duty pike pole, that's what I really need around the processor!
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on June 28, 2022, 01:26:42 PM
Ok, for those of you that have not already figured it out, I'm a titewad. I have a cheap, wooden handle can't hook, probably about 42". It works ok. I often see the great reviews for the logrite hooks and for a short time consider buying one but then don't. Other than telling me that they are "great" what part of the function of a can't hook do they do so much better? One thing about mine l don't like is I often have to hit the spike with the back of my axe to get it to grip well. Will I need to do that with a logrite? If not that, then how is one lever, x long, better than another that is the same length? Maybe if I knew I would buy one.
The difference is the hook geometry. The shape really determines if the hook will bite. You will not need to hammer the hook into the log.
The longer the handle the more leverage you will have. We use a small hook on all handles 48" or less. The 60" handle has a slightly bigger hook and then the Megahook has a large hook.
hook ranges: 8-32" , 10-36", and 15"-45" diameter of log
Call and ask for a scratch and dent. Most of the time the items in the scratch and dent pile have a blemish in the powder coat. Shaina can tell you what we have and what specifically is the issue with the tool.
I called Shaina and got hooked up with a scratch and dent Peavey. I couldn't find a scratch or dent when I recieved it, but it has several now😊
I also need to give Shaina a shout out, she was very pleasant to deal with and had excellent knowledge of all of the Logrite and Bluecreeper products I was ordering👍
Tam-i-am, can you get Kevin to build a 6' pike pole so I can lance crooked logs straight on my live deck?😊
Quote from: Acem on June 28, 2022, 07:03:39 AM
Are the woodmizer can't hooks are made by and the same as log rite?
I notice they offer aluminum and steel.
Thx-Ace
WoodMizer makes their own steel handled cant hooks. Logrite makes their aluminum handled ones for them.
Quote from: barbender on June 28, 2022, 02:24:11 PM
Tam-i-am, can you get Kevin to build a 6' pike pole so I can lance crooked logs straight on my live deck?😊
I can ask.
fluidpower
QuoteWill I need to do that with a logrite?
Only one way to find out, as we cannot answer for you.
For rolling logs or turning logs on the mill slightly the 60" cant hook works great. However, when trying to turn cants bigger than about 12" I have found that I need the Mega size. I have a steel one from Cook's that works but is very heavy. I need to order the Mega hook for my use since I only turn cants on the last turn so the chain turner doesn't damage finished lumber. I hardly ever need to roll or turn logs, by the way.
I have a wood handled cant hook, had it for years. I too was a tightwad, still am. But I whacked myself in the mouth so many time my that dang cant hook that I finally bought the megahook from LogRite. Night and day difference. The hook bites every time. Sometimes it will rip off the bark and the heavy bark logs, but that's a benefit for me also. Less bark holding dirt. I like the handle grip, less slip when sweaty and they have a safety pin in there that keeps the hooks from coming near the handle when you stand it upside down. I have whacked my fingers on my wood one so many times I wanted to throw it in the woods.
All these are small things that add up, for me. I just recently bought my first LogRite peavy (also scratch and dent with no scratches or dents) and I LOVE that thing around the log yard. Still use peaveys at the mill but for firewood, that point is dang handy and I love the 'stand up' feature, saves a lot of bending over. It lives in my truck now because I always want it handy. I even use it for levering over trailers to hitch up or move. (not recommended ;D by LogRite)
Look, none of us can say whats best for you. I had all the same thoughts you do. But for me it was one of those things you get and THEN understand why everyone was telling you to get one. I got mine and it didn't take long for me to say "NOW I get it!". YMMV
P.S. I like supporting forum sponsors.
The fact that Logrite is a Forum sponsor is the icing on the cake!😊
I have levered trailer hitches in line with my peavey too. That's in addition to random pry bar duties like lining up pins on a Ponsse forwarder and such😁 Not at all what it's made for, but it sure works good👍👍
Ok, Ok! I think I'll spring for one. Now what length? Thinking about it some, I think I will get the 60" for rolling logs and then dedicate my current wooden one ( have since measured it) that's 52" for turning cants on the mill. I do have chain turners but find sometimes it's better to turn by hand to minimize damage to the wood. Once it's a cant, the cheapy wood handle one l have now works fine.
FPP, that's pretty much what I did. I had the wood 48" and bought a 60" Xtreme for rolling logs on my manual mill because the bigger ones were killing me working alone. Then I started running my buddies mill and he already had a 72" Xtreme hook which I found great on the biggest logs, but brought my 60" for the normal logs. I haven't brought my hook back home for nearly a year and needed one here for firewood, etc. SO I got a 48" regular peavey at the open house, along with a 30" hookeroon for use at the mill pulling slabs off cants (what a joy that is too, saves a lot on my back and fingers).
The next time I have a chance and a weak moment, I will likely get a mill special because there are times you just need to finish off a flip on a cant or roll a simple log with more than just a boot kick. It just looks handy as heck so I want to try one, iven how well all the other LogRite products have worked for me.
I'll be headed to LogRite/RiteLeg/Bantle's Boards in a month or two to pick up a very large (for me) order and save trucking. I hope I can keep my wits about me and not add too many extras on my bill 'as long as I am there'.
Absolutely get the 60" first.
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I gradually went from this.....
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To this, but it took about 10 years. logrite_cool
If you operate a manual mill and turn logs and cants manually, having a logrite mega hook is the difference between not being able to turn a big log by yourself and being able to turn a big log by yourself :).
You can't do this with a cant hook:
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This is a grip I use for dragging log ends around to steer the log when I am rolling it. Yeah, that's just sticking there by itself, no wires or tricks.
That's right, but saw a high quality walnut log into a big heavy cant and turn it with the peavy and mar the clear walnut board on the side where the peavy point dug in and make a hole in that face enough times and you will use a cant hook not a peavy. Like anything you do the right tool is the one that you need to use to do the job right.
The peavy and cant hook each do their respective jobs well and the right one is the one you need to do the job that is most important for your objective. One size does not fit all. With a manual mill, turning the cant from face to face is an critically important requirement. With a hydraulic mill you seldom need to do that and the peavy can be much more valuable in handling and moving logs than the cant hook.
So when new sawyers ask about whether they should get a peavy or a cant hook, the answers it depends on what what are your capabilities and what job is it intended for.
AbsoTootley Danny! The right tool for the right job. I have found the cant hook works well for most stuff so that was what I stuck with, but after getting this peavey it definitely has some strong points that a cant hook doesn't (have I mentioned the 'stand up' feature yet?). Cant hooks are poor pry tools, a peavey is not. A peavey is not ideal for cant flipping, a cant hook is. Having an option is definitely the way to go. The peavey lives in my truck bed now as the choices for general purposes. Cant hooks live at the mill mostly.
I took the photo above because I didn't know it could do that. Learning all the time, which is why I am still a greenhorn. :D
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on June 28, 2022, 01:26:42 PM
Ok, for those of you that have not already figured it out, I'm a titewad. I have a cheap, wooden handle can't hook, probably about 42". It works ok. I often see the great reviews for the logrite hooks and for a short time consider buying one but then don't. Other than telling me that they are "great" what part of the function of a can't hook do they do so much better? One thing about mine l don't like is I often have to hit the spike with the back of my axe to get it to grip well. Will I need to do that with a logrite? If not that, then how is one lever, x long, better than another that is the same length? Maybe if I knew I would buy one.
I posted in a similar thread to this a while back @fluidpowerpro (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=55416) with the same thought as you, how can the geometry not be copied and it be just as good... (For what it's worth the one I made doesn't need tapping, it self engages)
With the way everyone acts I could only deduce that with a purchase of a logrite you get a membership to a secret club where meals and beers are free/served by beautiful women.
Everyone started acting weird when I suggested this so I reckon I'm onto something ??? 8).
I'd def give one a shot if I could find one for a sensible price, they seem to cost double by the time they get to NZ
I called and ordered one yesterday but they didn't say anything about a secret club? Maybe the membership card and instructions for the secret handshake comes with the delivery of the product.
Either way, looking forward to using it.
Idea... Maybe you could become their exclusive dealer in NZ.
I think they do have a dealer here already. Looks like the 60" one is about $250US plus local shipping. Given that the one I made for a few bucks of scrap works, it's hard to get passed that price tag.
Not to knock it! I don't doubt the praise they receive.
Mind me asking what you paid, is that allowed here?
The price in the US is $143.00. I was able to get a "scratch and dent" one a little cheaper and the discount basically paid for the shipping,
Yeah so I'd be paying for nearly two of them to get one here smiley_cry
Will be interested to hear your thoughts anyway!
FPP, you'll figure out how to enter the club when you get the hook in a day or so. For me it started out with the thought that "Yeah, this is OK, it works pretty good, I guess I am happy." But as time went on and I could feel the difference and it made it easier and safer to work and I noticed some very tiny features that added to the ease of work, I began to appreciate the upgrade. I would never turn back. YMMV of course.
Josh, really sorry the international shipping is so prohibitive. What you guys need down there is to get a container sized order of hooks, then the price should come down a bit.
I doubt there's enough sawmillers in NZ to eat a containers worth. We are a rare species here.
Not so uncommon to see sawmills that eat pine a truckload an hour, but not us little guys rolling logs with hooks.
This mill will be gone, and I'll be pulling levers soon enough :)
I had one other hook, a wood handled can't hook that was sold by the outfit we don't talk about here. I bought that one before Logrite even existed😊 At any rate, out of my large collection of old wood handled cant hooks and peaveys, that stupid thing bites the best. Almost like a Logrite does🤷♂️ But, the wood handle rotted off, and I'll probably never get around to putting a new one on.
Quote from: JoshNZ on June 30, 2022, 10:21:34 PM
I doubt there's enough sawmillers in NZ to eat a containers worth. We are a rare species here.
Not so uncommon to see sawmills that eat pine a truckload an hour, but not us little guys rolling logs with hooks.
This mill will be gone, and I'll be pulling levers soon enough :)
Peterson make cant hooks here in NZ. They are steel handled, so not as light as the alloy ones, but plenty strong. I have one of their older ones which is a big heavy beast, but works for any log that you would sensibly try and move by hand.
Every time I've been at Timberking and Jason is getting somebody set up with their new mill and doing the orientation they always have pretty big logs there and Jason always grabs the wooden handled can't hook they sell to move the big logs around. They also sell the Logrite ones. I asked why he uses the wooden handled one and he says he likes them better.
I've got a 30" Logrite I got at Timberking and it's great. It didn't open or grab bigger logs like I thought it would but I found putting a little pressure with you hand on the hook or tapping the hook with your foot works great. I haven't got a 60" one yet. But I could only imagine how good it works! You could be a complete weenie and with a little leverage be a complete stud 😂💪
Quote from: Walnut Beast on July 01, 2022, 12:53:49 AMI haven't got a 60" one yet. But I could only imagine how good it works! You could be a complete weenie and with a little leverage be a complete stud 😂
Quote"Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world. "
Archimedes
Where is Peterson's secret club? ???
I might make my next one out of oak or aluminium. I have bent my steel one before but the steel prob only gave way a fraction earlier than my back was going to, prob more sensible to get the forks involved at that point
Quote from: JoshNZ on June 30, 2022, 09:07:37 PM
Will be interested to hear your thoughts anyway!
Why? There are hundreds of very experienced sawyers here that already have told you that there is no comparison because we use them, and have used them for years, and you seemingly want to ignor that in trade for a bit of negativity. Inflation has not skipped the forest products industry, so in comparison to every other flipping thing you buy, logrite tools are still a bargain over the long haul.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on June 29, 2022, 06:16:06 PM
You can't do this with a cant hook:
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20220629_112538348.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1656540787)
This is a grip I use for dragging log ends around to steer the log when I am rolling it. Yeah, that's just sticking there by itself, no wires or tricks.
Wow that takes some talent! ;D
Quote from: JoshNZ on June 30, 2022, 08:33:52 PM
With the way everyone acts I could only deduce that with a purchase of a logrite you get a membership to a secret club where meals and beers are free/served by beautiful women.
Everyone started acting weird when I suggested this so I reckon I'm onto something ??? 8).
There is no secret club. Just like other brands like STIHL, WoodMizer, Mercedes, etc we have a following.
I was hesitant to comment because the last time I posted about such things the Logrite Brownie came to be and I found myself baking brownies for all the shows and the pig roast.
I am a novice when it comes to this stuff.
I bought a wood handled cant hook/ log lifter from the place that can not be mentioned, it can't hook.
I took the hook off to us as my "Magic Hook", It works ok.
I bought the Woodmizer aluminum one, aka orange Logrite. It works great, tears the bark off sometimes.
BUT it is a little small for some of the bigger heavier logs.
So I bought a Mega hook, all I can say is WOW. it is not light, but I can hook it in a 40" red oak and roll the log.
My problem is they're too big for my mill.
I can even roll logs that are too big for my Bobcat to move.
Good tools that work are worth the money.
Be aware there is/are/ were some runs of wood mizer canthooks out there that are orange and NOT Logrite tools. NOT THE SAME
Quote from: Machinebuilder on July 01, 2022, 01:44:24 PM
So I bought a Mega hook, all I can say is WOW. it is not light, but I can hook it in a 40" red oak and roll the log.
My problem is they're too big for my mill.
I can even roll logs that are too big for my Bobcat to move.
When I talk to people on the phone I emphasize it is a lot of tool. I get it sometimes you have to "do what you gotta do" but really should you? Too big for my Bobcat :o :o :o
FYI they weigh 18 pounds
Honestly, I don't notice the weight of the hook at all when I am rolling a 1,500 pound log. :D
Now that... IS profound!
I have my moments. They are rare, but I have them. :D
I had to go back a page to remind me of what you said. :D
I did too, to see what your comment referred to. :D :D :D
Like the song..
Buck Owens & Susan Raye ~ Looking Back To See - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxO0dyCENEU)
Lets see how close I can g÷t without clicking the link.
I was looking back to see if she was looking back to see if I was looking back to see if she was looking back at me...
Bingo Jeff. But Ray, Jeff and I are not sparking as the song might imply, even though we are both looking beck to see. ;D :D
Grew up watching heehaw, porter wagner, the milburn brothers
Quote from: Jeff on July 01, 2022, 09:24:15 PM
Lets see how close I can g÷t without clicking the link.
I was looking back to see if she was looking back to see if I was looking back to see if she was looking back at me...
You got it!
First heard that song when I was a sophomore in HS. Was in my head when walkin away from my girl friends house a mile down a gravel road.
By the Browns in 1954.
The weight (and length) of the mega hook comes in handy if you have a sawmill cover or blade box in the back of your truck needing to be weighted down a bit so it doesn't fly out.
I thought I posted in here before, but I just scanned and didn't find it thus: Here I go, I have a 78", cant hook a 60" cant hook, a 60" peavy, a 48" HD cant hook, and a 30" hook-a-roon, all by Logrite. Before I got my first Logrite I used an OLD wooden one that was heavier than my 78" Logrite and it needed a maul to set the hook or it would slip. I never had any issue with any of the Logrite tools and failure to grab.