I heard that if they follow you home you can keep them. 8)
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On another great note, if this works it will be the first time I've done pictures without a " coach ". Maybe I'm getting this whole tech thing.
I am jealous!
Whoa, what a haul!
Yeah, no matter what I might have heard, I'd be keeping all of that too.
Powermatic shaper and planer, right?
And that six inch Delta jointer looks kinda tiny next to all that hefty iron.
Do you have 3 phase to power all that?
You still need help posting photos Danny? :D
Nice score. Good stuff.
Congrats on the picture thing too.
No 3 phase power , I will be looking into a converter. I don't know anything about them , but remember a thread on here some where to educate myself. There was money change hands put this was a steal. He is a cabinet maker and got a deal to up grade and gave me a deal on this stuff. Always "need " more tools and that creates more work. 3 phase power , clean out the shop , rearrange the shop. But theres no way I could pass this deal.
Nice score!
Re phase converters, stay away from static. Go with either a rotary phase converter (RPC) or a Phase Perfect (very expensive). Figure out the total HP on your largest machine and then get a converter about 2X the size. For instance, if your planer is 5 hp with a 1hp feed, then get a 12hp converter.
Since you have multiple machines, if you feed a 3 phase load center with your RPC, you can then wire your equipment to the panel as you normally would and have proper circuit protection.
Look at that @trimguy (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=47881) - you didn't even have to post a question, and you're getting suggestions that are better than money can buy. 😆😉😆
Absolutely right !! Thats part of the reason I really like this forum, everyone is more than willing to help. And always learning something whether it's useful or not . 😃 Thanks.
Awesome 8)
Nice Planer!!! Did you get the grinder, and jointer for the knife grinder? If you don't have them, go back and get them.
Nice score!
Quote from: Tom King on July 30, 2020, 04:44:07 PM
Nice Planer!!! Did you get the grinder, and jointer for the knife grinder? If you don't have them, go back and get them.
^^^ very astute advice from Tom.
I have a piece that goes on the planer that holds the stone. There is a piece of wood in it now. I will try to get pictures this evening and you can tell me if I have all the parts. Thanks for the tip.
Thats a good looking trailer of tools. A few years ago I found someone selling a bunch of tools for $2000. There was a really nice 6" Powermatic jointer, but it was one that had extra long beds like an 8" jointer has. There were 2 table saws, a unisaw and a jet. There was a jet 18" planer. There 2 lathes, one an older delta milwaukee and the other a newer Jet. There was a Jet mortiser. There were some other smaller tools that I'm forgetting. I really only wanted the jointer, but he wouldn't separate. He was selling for a buddy who up and ran off with a new girl and said he wouldn't be back. I offered 1500 and the guy said he would check with the buddy. 10 minutes later I got a text that he would take it. It was also in my hometown so off we went with the trailer and loaded up all the tools. I sold everything but the jointer and made a pretty good profit. I love that jointer. I think it is 66" from infeed to outfeed.
Good story. I didn't get that good of a deal, I paid $2000. But I still think I got a really good deal.
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This is the only piece that came with it. Is this all or is there more ? Also it has a piece of wood in it. Are the stones hard to find ? @ Tom King @scsmith42 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3296)
Quote from: trimguy on July 31, 2020, 05:01:30 PMI didn't get that good of a deal, I paid $2000
You got a great deal. You just didn't steal yours like FFOTS did. :D
(Just kidding, FFOTS. It's not stealing when an offer is made and accepted. Just business.)
That's the jointer. When you put in new knives, or the ones in it get chunks lost from the cutting edges, you run that across to bring them all down to exactly the same level. You do that with the cutterhead running, and the crank wheel sends the stone across to do that job. A white grinding stone goes where that wood is.
There is also a small grinder (electric motor with grinding wheel), that fits on that rig on top of the planer. The grinder sharpens the knives in place. There is a means to lock the cutterhead, and the grinder is cranked across to do the sharpening.
You want to find that grinder. The blade sharpening rigs for those planers go for more money than the planer sells for.
Most of those grinders have been misplaced, and they're hard to find. They go for real money when you can find one. The onboard sharpening rig is worthless without the grinder.
Being able to sharpen straight knives, with them mounted on the planer, is priceless. With a light touch, you can get quite a number of sharpenings out of a set of knives, without having to take them out of the cutterhead. Even when the knives get worn down, you can raise them some, and get more life out of them.
You want to find that grinder!!!
Since he had a wooden block in the blade jointer, I bet he doesn't have the grinder, and probably used it like that to set new knives.
It would certainly be worth checking though. He might have it, and not know what it is.
I think most of the time, when these planers changed hands, the grinder was left sitting at the last seller's.
The bar on top of the planer was a specific length for all the different width planers. The jointer, and grinder were the same for all of them.
I owned a 16" in the '70's. I wish I had never sold it, but I was young, and poor then. I always wanted a 24", but never ran across one I'd buy.
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Quote from: trimguy on July 31, 2020, 05:01:30 PMI didn't get that good of a deal, I paid $2000
You got a great deal. You just didn't steal yours like FFOTS did. :D
(Just kidding, FFOTS. It's not stealing when an offer is made and accepted. Just business.)
Yeah, I told him i was only interested in the jointer and would he separate. When he said no, I said I could give 1500 since I could sell the other tools. I really wasn't expecting him to say yes.
I'd give my right leg for that great big planer and somewhere to house it.
He doesn't have the grinder, he said he doesn't ever remember seeing one for it.
My planer blades are easy to change out and having use the mtd. grinders in my school shop, I prefer sending mine out.
I use a KY saw shop(I don't think I'm allowed to say who here?) for planer blades same as my WM/lennox, etc., blade sharpening service. They run a route truck to sawmills over a large regional area and easy to give them my planer blade sets with mill blades-I have several.
He did say that he had sent them out to be sharpened. I can find out where. Are these blades hard to adjust correctly when you put them back on? Just curious, at the moment, I still need to get my three phase converter and my shop wire to run them.
As a former millwright I've done blades using a dial indicator. On my own Taiwan made planer I simply use the small hand held gauge made of cast steel that came with the machine- which holds down each blade to a spec height as you tighten the set screws. Methodically tightening the screws matters. Takes longer to pull the covers than install blades.
PM me for the place I send all planer & mill blades.
Well, I had another one follow me home.
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This is a 37" sander. I guess I need to stop procrastinating about buying a 3 phase converter. Maybe it worked out, the one I need for this is a lot bigger than what I would have bought for the other equipment.
I am certain that you will love the 37" width. Congratulations.
Thanks.
At first look I thought you got an atm machine. :D
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At first look I thought you got an atm machine. :D
I thought it was an SCMI planer at first and started to get flush with jealousy!
Regarding RPCs...
I know its tough to plan when this stuff just kinda falls into your lap, but take a few mins to think about any more 3ph equipment you may add to your shop and what may be running concurrently. Size your RPC accordingly. Oversized is fine...undersized, well :-[
:D I need an ATM , this hobby is expensive. 🙄 Yes the problem is I don't know what I need until the right deal comes across my plate. The sander has a 20hp motor, so 40hp converter. Realistically would I need anything bigger than that ? I will have to say my wife is on board, at least for now. :laugh:
I can't imagine you'd need anything bigger than 40hp for a RPC.
If you go that route, I suggest having a dedicated 3ph sub panel. Probably standard on an all in one unit from a company like American Rotary, but I rolled my own.
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In my shop, I have my 200amp house panel on the left, the 3ph panel upper right and the 3ph controller panel bottom right. The motor is in the attic and out of the way.
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Thank you for the information and the pictures. I will put in a 3 phase panel and feed different outlets off of it. The attic is a great idea, out of the way and I'm sure less noise.
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Thank you for the information and the pictures. I will put in a 3 phase panel and feed different outlets off of it. The attic is a great idea, out of the way and I'm sure less noise.
You're very welcome.
My compressor, the motor for the RPC and my dust collection system are all in the attic. Yes, its a slightly more harsh environment, but I keep the temps down with an exhaust fan with a t-stat. It really makes a difference in the noise level and space savings, so I think its absolutely worth the effort if you can swing it.
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I Was out of town last week and I ran across a deal on this while I was there.
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So now I don't need a converter. It's a 26 kW generator, already set up for three phase . So, some wiring and I should be up and running.
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I just had something else follow me home. 😁 It needs Cleaning up and some TLC.
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A couple more pictures. Does anybody know where I can find some information on this machine? I'm not sure if I just need to clean everything, or if I will need some replacement parts.
I did some searching on the Crescent 1905 patent and the models I found are a LOT older than what you have there. I've refurbed a bunch of machines in that ag group over the years, and I would just start to take the sections apart, clean them up, get them sliding and moving and move onto the next section until you find something broken or worn through, then start figuring it out. As long as it's not a cast part, you can usually machine a new one. Assuming all the parts are there. Nice machine with a lot of throat, looks like over 20" but not a lot of head room. Does it have a gear box or is it a wood machine only? Is there a nameplate on it anywhere?
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This plate is on the motor. I did not see a plate anywhere else on the machine other than the cast name and the number 771. I assumed it was pretty old, all the covers are wood and have been put on at a later date.
It does not have a gearbox. It has a 26 inch throat ( 24 inches with cover closed ) And 7 inches of headroom.
Nice score! Love the vintage stuff
I had the same saw for a few years. This was maybe 25 years ago so my memory might not be perfect. It did not come with a motor and had a lot of play in the babbitt bearings. I pulled it apart and got lucky. It still had shims in the bearings so I removed a couple and tightened everything up. Guides were wore, but I was able to adjust so they worked fine. The tires were no good. I called Bobby, the owner of Woodworkers Tool Works (http://woodworkerstoolworks.com/), and he got me fixed up in that department. I still get most of my blades from him. I'm sure I researched https://www.owwm.org/ for info when I first got it.
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It was a pretty good saw, but no dust collection or guards so I sold it when I made the move to Arkansas.
Trimguy, have you looked at the Old Wood Working Machines site? There is a library of machine manuals I think vintage machines. Good luck.
Thank you.
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I got it cleaned up and a little paint. I have to sand and wax the bed and get new belts for it still. @Larry (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=125) , I gtalked to Bobby last week and have tires and blades coming, seems to be a nice and knowledgeable person. What kind of oil did you use for babbet bearings ?
New life for a great bandsaw! Excellent work.
Been to many years since I had my saw to remember what oil I used. Just guessing, but I think 20 or 30W non detergent would be a good choice. Most important is that they are kept lubricated. A oil cup or drip oiler would be nice.
Thank you.
So this piece doesn't go in the shop but it sure will help with the sawmilling and lumber pallets. This hobby sure is expensive.
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Quote from: trimguy on July 26, 2024, 03:36:49 PMSo this piece doesn't go in the shop but it sure will help with the sawmilling and lumber pallets. This hobby sure is expensive.
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"The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys." I'm trying to be a man but haven't quite managed it, yet. . .