Curious. I want to plant maybe a couple dozen, I wonder how they would fare in southern NS. The closest seedlings I can find appear to be from BC.
I ordered some seeds and planted them in little starter pellets. They all sprouted and lasted about a week and then all died. I gave up after that.
Figure I gotta at least try them out. I'll probably order 150 or so and stick them on a hillside. I've seen pictures of some of them giant trees in California and I can't believe the size of them honestly. I had seen lots of big growth in B.C., but man those trees are BIG! They live something up to 3000 years?
You realize that you'll likely not get to see how big they'd get. right? Seriously, they say that those huge trees are still growing!
Quote from: KEC on May 25, 2021, 06:05:05 PM
You realize that you'll likely not get to see how big they'd get. right? Seriously, they say that those huge trees are still growing!
Yes I understand that.
I saw some of the Giant Sequoia in Yosemite. They are amazing. That's what made me want to grow them. Also, don't confuse Coastal Redwood(sequoia sempervirens) with Giant Sequoia(sequoiadendron giganteum). They are both equally as amazing.
Moderate winter temperatures, and low summer humidity conditions improve the chances of successfully growing giant sequoias outside of their natural range.
They are susceptible to fungal diseases, especially Botryosphaeria spp.
ARTIFICIAL REGENERATION OF THE GIANT SEQUOIAS (https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/cook/sec10.htm)
Coastal Redwood(sequoia sempervirens) is the worlds tallest tree (IIRC - 425')
Giant Sequoia(sequoiadendron giganteum) is the worlds biggest tree (by volume) and about 325' tall.
The General Sherman Sequoia had a limb that broke off and was sitting next to the trail. That limb was about 8' in diameter!
I have two of them about 14 years old from sprouted seed.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 25, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
Coastal Redwood(sequoia sempervirens) is the worlds tallest tree (IIRC - 425')
Giant Sequoia(sequoiadendron giganteum) is the worlds biggest tree (by volume) and about 325' tall.
The General Sherman Sequoia had a limb that broke off and was sitting next to the trail. That limb was about 8' in diameter!
I had some friends cutting old growth redwood. They were sending in bucked limbs for logs on the truck. Got away with it for a few loads.
Whether or not the redwood is actually the tallest tree is up for debate. The mountain ash or some such thing in southern Australia grows to nearly equal heights in much less time. Most of it was cut down or lost in burns before modern measuring. There is a very good possibility the old growth reached over 400 ft. The tallest tree of recent times was a Doug fir I believe near mineral wa, close to Mt Rainier. It blew over roots and all and was measured at 393 ft.
Genetically redwoods are probably tallest on average but they are substantially outnumbered by DF. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if a DF tree was the tallest ever or mountain ash.
Not sure how they would handle the winter cold? They grow well in some parts of NZ, but it depends on local the micro-climate. Around 1900 the forestry dept evaluated various trees that could be planted to keep up with the demand for timber. The native trees can grow big, but are slow growers. Coast Redwoods did very well at the research site at Rotorua, but not as well in other areas. So Radiata Pine and Douglas fir were picked instead, more reliable and faster growth cycle.
The Rotorua Redwoods are still there, and pushing 200ft tall now, and are now a tourist attraction.
Rotorua Tree Top Walks | Redwoods Treewalk® Official Site (https://treewalk.co.nz/)
There are several growing around town here, but without the shelter of surrounding trees they are super tall, still fairly impressive trees though.
Years ago I tried a sequoia, but the cold winters we have here did it in. ;)
I'm surprised there weren't really tall trees in southern parts of Africa away from the equator. They have a lot of different climates in Africa, it's no small continent. I mean there are even glaciers on Kilimanjaro (that might be were by now).
My understanding is some of the Californian/ West Coast trees have a preference for the soil mycorrhiza fungi that they have developed with.
In a radiata pine nursey in nz, the growers are growing a sacrifice crop of pine seedlings in new nursery ground to build up the compatible soil fungi. The first year crop of 'weak' seedlings is mulched. The second year seedlings in the same soil are stronger and suitable for sale as lifted 'bare root' seedlings.
1992 fs report - the science has progressed since then. Giant redwoods and their mycorrhiza.
https://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/documents/psw_gtr151/psw_gtr151_12_molina.pdf
Phyto-sanitary protocols would make one study the existing Eastern Canadian soil fungi and their distribution.
In the mountains there can be temperature inversions, the heavy cold air sinks to the valleys and the mid slopes can be warm. So the forests can be cold preference trees in the valley, a mid slope band of warmer condition liking trees and cold preference trees at the higher elevations.
Is there any difference in the freezing rain of Nova Scotia and the PNW?
There appear to be at least 4 provenances of Sequoiadendron giganteum. Need to understand their differences.
Quote from: Ianab on May 26, 2021, 02:13:02 AM
Not sure how they would handle the winter cold? They grow well in some parts of NZ, but it depends on local the micro-climate. Around 1900 the forestry dept evaluated various trees that could be planted to keep up with the demand for timber. The native trees can grow big, but are slow growers. Coast Redwoods did very well at the research site at Rotorua, but not as well in other areas. So Radiata Pine and Douglas fir were picked instead, more reliable and faster growth cycle.
The Rotorua Redwoods are still there, and pushing 200ft tall now, and are now a tourist attraction.
Rotorua Tree Top Walks | Redwoods Treewalk® Official Site (https://treewalk.co.nz/)
There are several growing around town here, but without the shelter of surrounding trees they are super tall, still fairly impressive trees though.
If I was anywhere else in Canada (except bc perhaps) I wouldn't think they would do well, I'm only 8-10km off the ocean of the south shore Nova Scotia, we have very warm winters in comparison to the rest of N.S. because of the influence of the Atlantic, it keeps the climate warm, and cooler in the summer, we get lots of fog, wind, rain, not significant snow in the winter but still some storms of 10-15 cm. I probably will try planting them next spring, unless it may be better to put them in in summer?
Quote from: tule peak timber on May 25, 2021, 09:34:24 PM
I have two of them about 14 years old from sprouted seed.
Got any pictures? ;D
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 25, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
Coastal Redwood(sequoia sempervirens) is the worlds tallest tree (IIRC - 425')
Giant Sequoia(sequoiadendron giganteum) is the worlds biggest tree (by volume) and about 325' tall.
The General Sherman Sequoia had a limb that broke off and was sitting next to the trail. That limb was about 8' in diameter!
Wouldn't want that in your yard as a ornamental tree :D
Quote from: HemlockKing on May 26, 2021, 06:54:15 AM
Quote from: tule peak timber on May 25, 2021, 09:34:24 PM
I have two of them about 14 years old from sprouted seed.
Got any pictures? ;D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35190/sequoia_2_5_26_2021_jpeg.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1622037130)
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Thanks for sharing! They look beautiful. Have you done much with them in terms of keeping them alive or have they fared well on their own?
I live on a ridge at 4000 feet in a desert.I literally pump water 24/7/ 365 to keep my little oasis alive and without care everything here would die. When we moved here 15 years ago it looked like scorched earth and I've changed that into a really nice place to be. Palms, cedars,spruces,pines, peppers, ashes, provide shade and animal habitat,,,,and enjoyment.We freeze half of the year and get snow here, so lots of effort with some success, some failures.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35190/palms_1_5_26_2021.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1622039968)
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Quote from: tule peak timber on May 26, 2021, 10:41:15 AM
I live on a ridge at 4000 feet in a desert.I literally pump water 24/7/ 365 to keep my little oasis alive and without care everything here would die. When we moved here 15 years ago it looked like scorched earth and I've changed that into a really nice place to be. Palms, cedars,spruces,pines, peppers, ashes, provide shade and animal habitat,,,,and enjoyment.We freeze half of the year and get snow here, so lots of effort with some success, some failures.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35190/palms_1_5_26_2021.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1622039968)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35190/palms_2_5_26_2021.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1622040017)
You've done nice work. What species is that fern you know off hand?
Thanks for the kind words. No ferns here --too cold !
What is that fern like growth then? Perhaps it's a type of Bush. It's something I'd expect from the tropical forrest.
In the pics are Deodar cedars, Chillean wine palms, an oak and a spruce ? Rob
Small part of this has coast redwoods planted in 28 inch/ 700mm rainfall area - Otway Ranges, Australia.
Winching down when falling, with mixed age woodlot area.
Also farm woodlot network.
My Garden Path - Rowan Reid - Fact Sheets - Gardening Australia - GARDENING AUSTRALIA (https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/my-garden-path---rowan-reid/13372842?fbclid=IwAR1Wb9163CCo0bFio_tVnEwfAs174xJ7GNqmHnWMIR_ub7vm7ZXzoKJah7g)
You might want to look into a Dawn Redwood. It's got a pretty cool history. It grows very fast and big. So you could live to see some impressive growth. They are planted all over here in eastern Tennessee as an ornamental yard tree.
https://ufi.ca.uky.edu/treetalk/dawn-redwood (https://ufi.ca.uky.edu/treetalk/dawn-redwood)
Wondering if anyone knows good seed sources for these giants? Looking for willow trees too. I see some on Amazon but I'm thinking I can't be sure if they're good genetics or not, which is why I'm curious about reputable sellers
What kind of willow?
I am for dawn redwood also. They need sun.
I'm trying to remember the tree and shrub catalogue that always came here for years. That is where I got the GS seedling. Oh, been 30 years ago now. I think certain times of year you can get them from British Columbia, one nursery has a blue needle variety. When I look at the GS nursery website, the only ones photographed in Canada are in British Columbia.
Canada - Giant Sequoia Nursery (https://www.giant-sequoia.com/gallery/canada)
Sequoiadendron giganteum Powder Blue - Art's Nursery (https://www.artsnursery.com/product/sequoiadendron-giganteum-powder-blue-5660)
Thanks SD checking them out, I'm hopeful and have faith they will grow well here, lots of fog, mild winters, most of
My county wouldn't be great soil wise but my specific area would do good I think! Good ridge line with good drainage and sun, like the white pines love