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Title: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: Crossroads on September 13, 2021, 12:28:51 AM
I just picked up a 15" planner with a spiral head. The blades are still continuous blades instead of the carbide inserts. I haven't had a chance to check with powermatic to see if I can replace the continuous blades with carbide inserts yet. Anyone here know if I can do that? Thank you!
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: doc henderson on September 13, 2021, 05:51:19 AM
I assume it would take a different head.  about 6 to 800 bucks I think.  
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: YellowHammer on September 13, 2021, 06:47:11 AM
I'm sure you could, but as said, it would require changing heads.
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: Crossroads on September 13, 2021, 09:26:50 AM
I was afraid of that, I had never seen a spiral head that had a continuous blade like this. The mounting bolt spacing appears to be to much for the inserts. It came with 2 extra sets of blades, so I guess I can decide what to do after they're used up. Thank you 
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: Larry on September 13, 2021, 12:51:38 PM
If that is non stock head Byrd can make one.  They have accumulated engineering drawings over the years for about every machine out there.  I helped a friend retrofit an Oliver jointer last year and the lead time on a new head seemed like it was 9 months or so.

Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: metalspinner on September 13, 2021, 01:08:05 PM
Larry,
Did that Oliver jointer have a direct drive head right out of the motor?

Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: Larry on September 13, 2021, 02:02:53 PM
It did.

About 8 years ago I converted a 12" Northfield direct drive jointer and I think the head for it was about $2,000.  Don't know what the price was for the Oliver head.
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: metalspinner on September 13, 2021, 04:09:34 PM
That's good to know a new head is available for this. 
Was it tough to remove the old one?
I have a line on a 16" Oliver with the direct drive. Wasn't sure it could be replaced. 
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: D6c on September 13, 2021, 08:16:09 PM
Not sure if it's true or not but I've read that a spiral head takes more HP.  I've had the overload trip out a couple of times on the 12' jointer I converted to a Byrd but I was using a power feeder cutting fairly wide boards.  The slowest speed on the feeder is faster than I'd like.
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: Larry on September 13, 2021, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: metalspinner on September 13, 2021, 04:09:34 PM
That's good to know a new head is available for this.
Was it tough to remove the old one?
I have a line on a 16" Oliver with the direct drive. Wasn't sure it could be replaced.
Both jointers were difficult.  The Northfield was by far the worst.  A little corrosion in a 50 year old or older machine can make disassembly tough.

I called my friend and he thought the price on the Byrd head for his 12" Oliver was around $1,800.

A picture of my 12" Northfield....somebody really wanted it bad and I sold it.  Poor decision on my part as it was in better condition than the day it was born and was a great machine.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10125/DSCF8193.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1631586161)

Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on September 14, 2021, 08:16:37 AM
D6C you bet it does!
Upgraded my 20" spiral from 5 to 10 hp and still stalls on a fairly deep cut with wide stuff.
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: Crossroads on September 15, 2021, 08:58:00 AM
Yes they draw more power. There's a Tube video of a guy doing a side by side comparison and the spiral head was drawing quite a bit more amps.  Hopefully my generator will pull it and the dust collector. We might be another 6 months before we get connected to the grid. 
Title: Re: Powermatic 15s planner
Post by: YellowHammer on September 15, 2021, 12:52:22 PM
Yes, generally, spirals do absorb more power, certainly Byrd styles do, in my experience.  

However, some such as the SCMI Xylent styles are designed not to.