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General Forestry => Ask The Forester => Topic started by: SwingOak on November 16, 2021, 10:36:33 PM

Title: What killed this spruce?
Post by: SwingOak on November 16, 2021, 10:36:33 PM
At our friend's camp, about 3.5 miles away from my forest land in the western UP, they've had several white spruce die off in the last couple of years. When they start to go, they go fast. This tree died this summer - in the spring it looked fine. I've never seen wood look like this, I'm guessing from insect damage, but I'm stumped (see what I did there? :D)

Any thoughts?


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Title: Re: What killed this spruce?
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 17, 2021, 04:46:18 AM
https://forestrynews.blogs.govdelivery.com/2021/07/06/spruce-budworm-balsam-fir-sawfly-and-yellowheaded-spruce-sawfly/

Spruce budworm and followed up by the spruce bark beetle perhaps? Spruce bark beetle are a tiny ambrossia like beetle. Cut some green spruce and leave on the bark and you'll soon find some fine brown sawdust appear on it. That's the bark beetle. I cut spruce for firewood and have learned to wait until fall to cut it and get it under cover as soon as the snow melts. ;D Parts of Alaska have a lot of dead standing spruce from bark beetles. Around these parts the bark beetle is a secondary host on trees with declining health or freshly killed.
Title: Re: What killed this spruce?
Post by: SwingOak on November 17, 2021, 07:58:09 PM
I'll have to look for that. The wood itself looks almost porous, but no obvious tunnels or bore holes. 
Title: Re: What killed this spruce?
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 17, 2021, 08:13:57 PM
I can see them galleries on the silvery spot in the middle. ;D But there could be a bunch of old rot to. Been a little hard on spruce last few years, so dry and hot. I know I lost a couple old ones from old age and drought. Sound spruce is usually quite white.
Title: Re: What killed this spruce?
Post by: Clark on November 17, 2021, 10:26:47 PM
Spruce and the infectious agents that love them. There are a lot. SD could be right on. He could be way off. A cursory shot of the dead wood doesn't give a lot to work with since there are so many things that can cause decline and death of spruce. I think this link is your best bet at diagnosing the problem:

https://files.dnr.state.mn.us/assistance/backyard/treecare/forest_health/whitesprucediagnosis.pdf (https://files.dnr.state.mn.us/assistance/backyard/treecare/forest_health/whitesprucediagnosis.pdf)

Clark
Title: Re: What killed this spruce?
Post by: SwingOak on November 20, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
That's very helpful - thanks!