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Title: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 04, 2022, 05:59:14 AM
I get asked fairly regular what I do with my sawdust. Well I sell it is the short answer. This is going to a plant that deals with unused paint. They mix the sawdust in with the paint and then it can be disposed of. It is difficult to find a market for everything but it is one of the main things that helps the bottom line. I also get asked how I unload log trucks. I would like to have a knuckle boom loader but, I don't like having a piece of equipment that is only good for one task. Here is a couple of videos of how I load a "chip trailer" and unload a log truck. Both trailers are a little over 13' high so most loaders don't have the reach to clear them.

Loading some sawdust with JLG10/55 telescopic loader - YouTube (https://youtu.be/YjOHOxifEy0)

Unloading a log truck with the JLG 10/55 telescopic loader. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/1zSWFOE5o5k)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: taylorsmissbeehaven on February 04, 2022, 07:28:41 AM
Thats a great operation Jake. Paint disposals a good group to be involved with!! Thanks for sharing, Brian
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Crossroads on February 04, 2022, 07:53:46 AM
Looks like a nice operation you have there. I have to admit, I'm a little envious of all the flat ground you have. Out of 20 acres, I might have 1 1/2 that are flat and I've made most of that. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: mike_belben on February 04, 2022, 08:12:10 AM
Im impressed how well it handles a bucket.  Looks like you could weld a 12" high steel strip riser around the whole perimeter wall and not hardly lose any visibilty being you are so far back from it.  A tall bucket is very annoying on a bobcat. 



I dont suppose JLG plumbed in a 3rd function valve on it?   The length of the logs and narrow fork spread had me nervous without a top clamp.  I wonder if theres a way to have a bolt on mechanical top clamp.  


Your machine would solve alot of my loading problems.  Long, 8ft wide forks and logs as short as 8'8" are a real trainwreck. Its so clumsy with dropping short wood between the forks that i park it and load like this. 


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I think you can see from my timelapse its pretty slow!   :D


Ive been reluctant to narrow them a position but maybe i ought to. 
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: moodnacreek on February 04, 2022, 08:27:55 AM
The problem with forks is they don't like uneven ground. You always have one up and one down. The closer you can have the forks the better. Most guys want a baler on top of the forks. We tried that, can't see anything and always caught in something. They are good for taking logs out of pond and junking cars. My yard is too small for a handler or articulated so I use a picker on an old tandem.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: rusticretreater on February 04, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
I remember the old butcher shops used to have sawdust on the floor to catch any blood drops from the meat.

My uncle who is an old dairy farmer likes to use sawdust in some of his cow sheds instead of straw.  Easier to muck out and dispose of in the end.  He gets the sawdust at the local Merrillat cabinet factory when he can.  So you might let the local co-op know you have some you want to get rid of or sell $$.

I do wood turning and a neighbor comes over for the shavings to put in his chicken coops.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: boonesyard on February 04, 2022, 09:41:46 AM
Jake,

How do you like the airless tires on your telehandler?
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: StimW on February 04, 2022, 09:18:30 PM
Great job finding a use for the sawdust, recycling and all that.
Wonder if they still use it in Dynamite?
I got drafted in 1968 into the ARMY. In advanced training I had to go to a local sawmill in Coulumbia SC with a Duce and a Half and back up a huge sawdust pile as far as I could then a couple guys shoveled the bed full. I delivered the sawdust to a training area and the guys shoveled it out and spread it! I did about 6 trips with 3 other trucks.
I forgot about that until I saw your sawdust pile.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: beenthere on February 04, 2022, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: StimW on February 04, 2022, 09:18:30 PM
Great job finding a use for the sawdust, recycling and all that.
Wonder if they still use it in Dynamite?
I got drafted in 1968 into the ARMY. In advanced training I had to go to a local sawmill in Coulumbia SC with a Duce and a Half and back up a huge sawdust pile as far as I could then a couple guys shoveled the bed full. I delivered the sawdust to a training area and the guys shoveled it out and spread it! I did about 6 trips with 3 other trucks.
I forgot about that until I saw your sawdust pile.
So Stim, do you think the sawdust was used in the dynamite, or used in the practice training area?  just curious...
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: TimW on February 05, 2022, 03:20:25 AM
Quote from: moodnacreek on February 04, 2022, 08:27:55 AM
The problem with forks is they don't like uneven ground. You always have one up and one down. The closer you can have the forks the better. Most guys want a baler on top of the forks. We tried that, can't see anything and always caught in something. They are good for taking logs out of pond and junking cars. My yard is too small for a handler or articulated so I use a picker on an old tandem.
Not if you have aux hydraulics for carriage tilt.  I love it on the Lull and miss it when I have the short forks on the tractor's loader.  Frame tilt does the same, but I don't like to be tilted while doing it.
But I prefer the grapple for loading and unloading logs.
hugs,  Brandi
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 05, 2022, 05:21:00 AM
I started to answer some of these questions yesterday and customers kept coming in to pick up orders. Since they was paying and y'all not so much you got to wait. :D

MB That bucket is homemade and is 4' high and 10' wide. It wasn't in the video but there is several times the back tires are coming off the ground when the bucket is full and extended some. My machine  actually has some extra plumbing on it that isn't in use. I think it was used for side tilt on the forks but I don't really need it with the tilt of the machine. I've handled enough 40' logs that I can normally get really close on the balance of a log. On the first one coming off of the trailer you can see it hanging up on the front bolster and I had to reposition the lull forward a little to get it lose.

MC with this machine I can tilt it left or right and have the tips of the forks parallel to the logs and eliminate one fork being to high.

B Y the airless tires are a love hate relationship. I like that I don't have to worry about getting flats or any of the regular tire stuff. I also like the extra weight they add to the machine as it adds to the counter weight in the back. I don't like how aggressive they are as they are rough on soft ground. I don't like the extra weight and how narrow they are in soft ground as it will get stuck fairly easy. WDH has witnessed this in person.

Bindian I agree with the carriage tilt but all of that does is add weight to the end where I don't want it. I like it when a logger comes in with some really big logs that they have had trouble loading and I can unload them with ease.

Appreciate y'all watching.  
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 05, 2022, 07:47:05 AM
Here I share some of the things I look at when first orientating a log on my sawmill. It won't help the experienced guys but some of the new guys might learn something.

This video is about how I orientate this log on the WoodMizer LT70 for the opening face or cut. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/nyE21Zd5M1o)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: mike_belben on February 05, 2022, 08:07:04 AM
Wow i didnt grasp how huge the bucket is.  Pretty sweet. 
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: dgdrls on February 05, 2022, 08:42:13 AM
CS,  thanks for posting these,  Question, do you build the pile with the
tele-handler as well?  

D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Magicman on February 05, 2022, 08:44:49 AM
Thank You Jake.  8)

I mostly saw SYP framing lumber, etc. and your setup and sawing procedure was exactly what I do on virtually every log that I saw.   thumbs-up

I use a red retractable marker instead of a blue.  :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 05, 2022, 06:33:03 PM
MM I don't want to steal your thunder. :D In watching that video again I was wondering why I didn't trim the end off about a inch and have fresh wood for the crayon.

dgdrls That is just how the pile is built coming out of the blower pipe. I have a gate on the end. When it is dry shavings that are good for horse bedding I blow it into the container and sell it for horse bedding. Everything else I change the gate and gets blown into this pile. I make about a semi load a month now that I'm here full time now.

MB If you look while I'm bolting on the bucket the back is taller than my hips and I'm not small. It's a 4x10 steel sheet on the back with another 4x10 sheet for the bottom. If you notice anything about me it should be that I don't do anything small. I was going to build it myself but had a friend that does mobile welding and needing work. He said if I would buy the material, furnish my welder and shop, he would build it for $25.00/hour. I can't weld as good as him and can't park the rest of my equipment that cheap. So I let him do it. That entire bucket cost me less than a little one for my skidsteer. ;D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: caveman on February 05, 2022, 07:51:51 PM
Jake, I appreciate the videos.  I've been under the weather for the last week and a half and have had a bit of time to look at the forum and your new videos.  As I was watching you saw the pine 1x6's today, I decided to go out and reprogram our Accuset II in the pattern mode.  I think the new arrangement will save some time and we will still get the same accuracy.  

One tip that I'll offer is set one preset to the thickness of the 4' level plus the tongue on the framing square to reach the BGAT on the idle side of the mill.  We check this each time we change a blade, after a crash and at the beginning of each day's sawing.  It is much easier to use a square than a tape measure for this (thanks Earl).

I went back and watched Bibbyman's Accuset II video also and I see that he was doing what I did today (somewhere around 14 minutes in in (Tom) the pattern mode).  We will be sawing cypress tomorrow and I hope that the new tweaks will help us to be more efficient.

In my opinion, the Accuset II option is one of the most valuable options to have on a Wood-Mizer.  We went from manually sawing with the index wheel (which was incredibly accurate) to Accuset II and it is my opinion that the production gains using that setworks justify the cost.

Tomorrow's agenda:
Sell a hand hewn, sinker cypress beam that will be used as a mantle
Saw some cypress 1x6x16's
Sell some heart pine 1x6 and 1x8's
Maybe saw some cedar slabs and dimensional lumber
Sort some cedar 1x for a retail store
Possibly sell some reclaimed red oak for flooring (1100 ft2).
Both John and I are getting over the China virus so we'll see how much we can do before the tiredness hits.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Nebraska on February 05, 2022, 08:37:32 PM
 Nice video...I saw your bolt on bucket and thought I'd rather use a payloader. Then I heard 12 buckets was 17000 pounds and changed my tune.   It is way bigger than it seems.  
For any of you folks  pondering a sawmill purchase that Lt 70, went through that in less than 20 mins, with time for explaining. That same log on manual non hydraulic  mill, is an hour  at least for me.  Loading, turning, clamping etc..     Just  thoughts I had while watching...
I don't need all the bells and whistles, as I don't need  super production  in my situation 
If you want/ need it to make money, choose wisely.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 05, 2022, 08:46:54 PM
Nebraska you forgot to subtract the 30K pounds for truck and trailer. His first load I just filled it up and he was north of 96K gross weight. He had to dodge the scales going back. He knew it as he was trying to leave my yard. So we did some simple math and figured each bucket scoop was between 4-5000 pounds of sawdust per scoop. So we decided to give 12 a try. Seemed to work pretty good as we kept him just under 80K gross. Appreciate your observation on the LT70
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Southside on February 05, 2022, 09:40:12 PM
I see you have the heated seat option on the telehandler, I like it!  ;D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Larry on February 05, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Jake, thanks for taking the time to make the video and share with us. 8)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: TimW on February 05, 2022, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: customsawyer on February 05, 2022, 05:21:00 AM
Bindian I agree with the carriage tilt but all of that does is add weight to the end where I don't want it. I like it when a logger comes in with some really big logs that they have had trouble loading and I can unload them with ease.

Appreciate y'all watching.  
With 6,000 pounds of lift, I haven't felt the Lull straining from the extra weight of carriage tilt.  My prime telehandler requirement was it have aux. hydraulics for a grapple.
hugs,  Brandi
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 06, 2022, 05:17:16 AM
Yes ma'am but keep in mind that I have a mill that is 56' long and also a Lucas dedicated slabber. I have some big logs come in here.

This live oak was more than 10,000 LBS



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Caveman what do you mean by BGAT?
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Walnut Beast on February 06, 2022, 05:31:46 AM
Nice job. Great video 👍
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: caveman on February 06, 2022, 06:02:39 AM
Quote from: customsawyer on February 06, 2022, 05:17:16 AMCaveman what do you mean by BGAT?

Blade Guide Alignment Tool.  The little aluminum gadget that clips onto the blade.

We have started using a square kind of like a feeler gauge to set blade roller tilt rather than trying to use a tape measure to measure the distance from the bed to the BGAT.  My eyes can see an air gap and I can feel the tongue of the square barely contact the end of the BGAT a lot better than I can read a tape measure for this purpose.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 06, 2022, 06:05:27 AM
Thanks. I might have to start using that. I've been using a metal ruler for years since it is more accurate than a tape but my eyes aren't as good as they once were. 
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Peter Drouin on February 06, 2022, 07:53:23 AM
caveman, That's a great idea. A square.
I used to use a steel ruler 24" long I had.


customsawyer. Nice videos to watch on a Sunday, having Coffee
With it -2° and sunny outside.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: KenMac on February 06, 2022, 02:36:45 PM
Quote from: caveman on February 06, 2022, 06:02:39 AM
Quote from: customsawyer on February 06, 2022, 05:17:16 AMCaveman what do you mean by BGAT?

Blade Guide Alignment Tool.  The little aluminum gadget that clips onto the blade.

We have started using a square kind of like a feeler gauge to set blade roller tilt rather than trying to use a tape measure to measure the distance from the bed to the BGAT.  My eyes can see an air gap and I can feel the tongue of the square barely contact the end of the BGAT a lot better than I can read a tape measure for this purpose.
I use a cheap (HF) outside caliper for my guide level adjustments. For less than $10 you get 6 pieces that are guaranteed for life. 
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: caveman on February 06, 2022, 05:02:58 PM
Peter and Jake.  The square was not my idea but my friend and retired WM employee/sawyer, Earl Hazelwood, told me about doing it this way.  I took a few pictures this morning since I sometimes do not explain things well in text.

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Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 06, 2022, 05:51:59 PM
I actually had it pictured in my head the way you are showing it. You must have explained it right. Earl sold me my first mill back in '02. I'm not sure if I should thank him or fuss at him. Look at how much I have had to buy to keep that mill running. Joking. What I should say is look how it has grown.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: WDH on February 06, 2022, 07:53:45 PM
I use a 12" speed square.  
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Post by: GAB on February 06, 2022, 08:12:33 PM
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) could you explain to me why you could not use the top of the level?
What are you gaining using the square?
GAB
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: caveman on February 06, 2022, 09:16:00 PM
The top of the level is 16" closer to the ground, which is lower than I want to be eyeballing.  Doing it this way I can sit on the mill, and it is at a comfortable height for me to see and adjust if need be.  

There are many ways to skin a cat.  This is the method that we have found to work well for us.

Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: GAB on February 06, 2022, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: caveman on February 06, 2022, 09:16:00 PM
The top of the level is 16" closer to the ground, which is lower than I want to be eyeballing.  Doing it this way I can sit on the mill, and it is at a comfortable height for me to see and adjust if need be.  

There are many ways to skin a cat.  This is the method that we have found to work well for us.
Thanks for the reply.
GAB
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Post by: Dave Shepard on February 06, 2022, 11:15:55 PM
I use a 16" combo square and reading glasses.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Southside on February 06, 2022, 11:38:27 PM
How do you balance the square on the glasses?  :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: WDH on February 07, 2022, 12:33:20 PM
My manual says position the blade and measure 12" from the bed, therefore the 12" speed square.  A few inches either way probably does not make much difference.  
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: YellowHammer on February 07, 2022, 03:55:10 PM
Me too, using the 12" square lets me check the 12" reference height on the Accuset.  Actually, I use two of everything, two pieces of 80/20 extruded aluminum across the bunks, one by the drive side wheel, one by the idle wheel, and then two BGAT clipped to the blade, one at the idle wheel, one at the driven wheel, and measure them at the same time.  The squares have edges that let the sit and stand up squarely on the extruded aluminum, so one is at the front of the BGAT and one is at the back.  So I can see both sides against a ruler at once, and I don't have to fiddle with the adjustments, I can see the front to back out of adjustment clearly, because there are squares set up on each end of the BGAT.

Then when I'm done, the two BGAT's should be perfectly aligned and parallel to each other, and I can sight crosswise to make sure they are.  That way I know my blade is perfectly aligned the whole throat of the mill, front top back and sided to side.    

  
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 09, 2022, 06:01:46 AM
Here's another little lesson on how I saw.

I give a brief description on how I deal with sweep in a log on a Woodmizer LT70 sawmill - YouTube (https://youtu.be/o-NWrHhHGf4)
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Post by: Walnut Beast on February 09, 2022, 06:21:31 AM
Nice job 👍 
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Post by: trimguy on February 10, 2022, 09:36:50 AM
Thanks , that helped me .
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Post by: customsawyer on February 13, 2022, 09:30:13 PM
I shot a short video about getting multiple timbers out of one log. One is boxed heart and three are FOHC.

In this video I am showing one way to get multiple timbers out of one log. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/wm26TFklDLk)
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Post by: WDH on February 14, 2022, 09:19:08 AM
Expertly done.   
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 14, 2022, 04:50:29 PM
I give a brief description  about blade alignment on my LT70.
Blade alignment basics on a WoodMizer LT70 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/6ZdRabuGb-4)
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Post by: B.C.C. Lapp on February 14, 2022, 05:04:12 PM
Quote from: customsawyer on February 14, 2022, 04:50:29 PM
I give a brief description  about blade alignment on my LT70.
Blade alignment basics on a WoodMizer LT70 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/6ZdRabuGb-4)
Good videos.  Jake is it?    You explain things real well.  
I gotta say I dont know how you stay so clean and neat. I lnow a log truck driver like that. Never a speck of mud on him. Ive no idea how he does it.  Clean shirt, nice hat, shades, the whole deal.    My work clothes have stains, holes, and tears. And thats when I start in the morning.  My hat looks like a rag with a bill and I couldn't find my sunglasses if I had some sunglasses.  Well done man. :)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 15, 2022, 06:38:33 AM
Well it was afternoon and I had just taken my coat off. That is the only reason the shirt is clean. As to the hat they get pretty dirty. It hasn't been long that I pulled a new one off the shelf. Give it a little while and it will look like I had to chase it down that morning to put it on. I had just finished some welding and had black all over my face. Tammy made me clean up with a wet wipe before filming. She is starting to take this director roll a little far.
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Post by: SawyerTed on February 15, 2022, 09:57:39 AM
Quote from: customsawyer on February 15, 2022, 06:38:33 AM
Tammy made me clean up with a wet wipe before filming. She is starting to take this director roll a little far.
:D :D
Excellent video and great explanations!  Good to hear somethings I believe reinforced by a professional.  Things like maintenance and checking alignment is easier than fixing problems and running a blade too long is tempting but probably costs more than it saves in the long run.

May I suggest a couple of topics?  A video on the differences among the marks left by teeth out of set, blade flutter ripples and waves and what causes them would be an excellent resource to beginners and part-timers.  Another might be what causes thickness variations like at the beginning/end of a cut or middle of a cut.  
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on February 15, 2022, 10:32:49 AM
I think he said that stuff goes in the burn pile. :D
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Post by: SawyerTed on February 15, 2022, 12:04:03 PM
 :D :D and something about not wanting to be near or associated with that kind of wood :D :D
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Post by: Andries on February 15, 2022, 04:48:01 PM
Dang Jake, get Tammy an Oscar for Best Director! 
Well done you two - I can't keep up, hope you're cranking out as much lumber as you are videos. 😁😁
I'm liking the suggestions for future videos.
👍👍
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: YellowHammer on February 15, 2022, 05:07:15 PM
Nice videos, you are definitely a lot faster at making them than I am. 
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Post by: caveman on February 15, 2022, 07:26:05 PM
I've watched a few videos over the years on sawmills and folks milling lumber.  It seems that most have their mills for 15 minutes or so and then start making videos claiming their wood and products to be beyond measure.

Robert and Jake, I appreciate the videos that you both turn out.  I learn from them, and it gives me an opportunity to add to my wish list.  Previously, every time I left Capps Browning Road; I'd come home with a mental list of things we should try to procure to improve our efficiency.  We've recently been trying to get a telehandler that we can afford and is in decent shape.
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on February 15, 2022, 08:14:43 PM
Yes very nice videos.

Yes there's something definitely going on there. Last time I left Capps-Browning Road, I went off and ordered an LT 70 super.  :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 16, 2022, 06:12:46 AM
I appreciate the compliments. Still learning on this video stuff but figure since I'm still learning on this sawmilling stuff too, it's probably going to continue that way.
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Post by: YellowHammer on February 16, 2022, 10:06:15 AM
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) 
Thanks, I try to pass along information that I think would be helpful to others as well as be fun to watch.  
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 17, 2022, 07:12:27 AM
Here is a video of the Slabmizer in action.

Let's put the Woodmizer Slabmizer to work. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ZbkRd3Zu_Jw)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Walnut Beast on February 17, 2022, 08:42:27 AM
Nice video Jake! What was the final thickness, the dimensions of the slab and approximately how long per side to do. Thanks
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Post by: Southside on February 17, 2022, 08:57:15 AM
So is there going to be a chair under the shed with the name "Jake" across the back of it pretty soon?  :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: WDH on February 17, 2022, 10:04:39 AM
I see where what appears to be the knuckle boom the logger used to load the log gouged the the live edge.  It happens.  The colors in the heartwood in that slab are really nice.   That is a fine piece, well sawn, well dried, and well flattened.  

I only know of one place in Georgia that can take a log that big, properly saw thick very wide slabs, properly kiln dry them, and offer them for sale perfectly flat, and that place is Jake's place.  To be able to do all that in one place is truly a significant competitive advantage.  Just don't be in a hurry  :).  I bet Jake can tell some amusing "I need it done by....." stories  :D.  
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 17, 2022, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Walnut Beast on February 17, 2022, 08:42:27 AM
Nice video Jake! What was the final thickness, the dimensions of the slab and approximately how long per side to do. Thanks


It finished about 2.5x45x10. About 30 minutes per side. 
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Walnut Beast on February 17, 2022, 11:00:42 PM
Thanks. Handy little winc you had rigged up for the first time. I'm sure your going to lengthen the remote. Nice job on taking the time on all your interesting, informative and great videos and answering questions 👍💪
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 20, 2022, 12:05:39 PM
Here is some edger and planer action.

Finishing some Quartersawed White oak. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/woujxosV088)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: GAB on February 20, 2022, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: WDH on February 17, 2022, 10:04:39 AMI bet Jake can tell some amusing "I need it done by....." stories  :D.  
Lack of proper planning on your part does not make it an emergency for me.
You want oak, here you go plant these acorns and call me when the trees are large enough to saw that 42" wide at the small end 20' long slab your wanting.
GAB
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on February 23, 2022, 06:54:01 AM
Every time you start to relax a little.

Hitting nails in a log. #Shorts - YouTube (https://youtu.be/41gO_rsj4TU)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 03, 2022, 06:12:17 AM
This skidsteer will handle about 8500 pounds. You can see these two logs are maxing it out. When it's close to the lift limits I have learned to back down the little slope.

Working the John Deere 333G - YouTube (https://youtu.be/TVZGaUOtMtU)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Walnut Beast on March 03, 2022, 06:33:04 AM
Awesome video 💪
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Post by: WDH on March 03, 2022, 06:44:35 AM
Your logyard has gotten bigger and gained weight. 
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Post by: YellowHammer on March 03, 2022, 07:01:49 AM
The Deere is sweet.  
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Okrafarmer on March 05, 2022, 11:02:41 PM
Jake, thanks for making all these videos. You have the patient heart of a teacher. I still sometimes quartersaw logs the way you showed us on the big sycamore one day at your place. I have other methods too, learned here and there. Trying to convince my boss we need a telehandler. I need to show him your video.

Jim
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 08, 2022, 06:23:43 AM
Changing a B72 belt on the LT70. These are the tighter fitting belts. Like a B56 would be on a LT40.

B72 belt change on WoodMizer LT70 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/EMmvhWRK8xI)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Larry on March 08, 2022, 09:36:41 AM
Amazing job and not even one four letter word!

I changed a belt on my TK last week and actually broke one on the first try.  I've been using Gates belts.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 08, 2022, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Larry on March 08, 2022, 09:36:41 AM
Amazing job and not even one four letter word!

I changed a belt on my TK last week and actually broke one on the first try.  I've been using Gates belts.


That was one of the first reasons I learned how to edit. Having been raised a little rough and then going into the 82nd airborne you might say I'm not always polite.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: doc henderson on March 09, 2022, 10:50:49 AM
I have gone to the loose belts, but do not like it.  mostly the way it looks but works ok.  Larry, "belt" is a four-letter word! :)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: WDH on March 09, 2022, 03:31:32 PM
In my youth, a "belt" was a fist up the side of the head  :D.  
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: doc henderson on March 09, 2022, 03:43:06 PM
some need more than others!   8)  I was the oldest and always told mine would be last and the hardest, as I was to keep my younger brothers out of trouble.  often I had no part of the infraction... well sometimes.  :)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 10, 2022, 03:34:49 PM
I generally share how things happen at my mill, but some things should probably stay a mystery.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14240/20220302_161337.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1646944445)
 
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: SawyerTed on March 10, 2022, 03:48:17 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/48503/DECBA151-6C07-4F0A-BFB2-CC5F9D7D25C2.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1606667018)
 

Um yep, but I'm hoping the Sawing Project will help me! :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: YellowHammer on March 10, 2022, 03:55:04 PM
Both of those look custom made, do you have any engineering drawings of those?  One is obviously designed to allow somebody to trailer in tight corners, and the other look like it was build to provide shock absorption for the tractor top link.  Ingenious.

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Post by: SawyerTed on March 10, 2022, 04:07:51 PM
Can't speak to the trailer hitch but the top link was a custom cold shock formed modification that adjusted the angle of the box scrape.  Man would it dig!  It just wouldn't move any material!  Unfortunately it had limited adjustability and had very little demand in the market.  I discontinued production after this one (I hope).
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: rusticretreater on March 10, 2022, 04:54:51 PM
I think you are one of those artists that makes things out of old metal pieces.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on March 10, 2022, 05:11:01 PM
Um, Yeah, That ain't right.  :D :D :D :D ;D
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: YellowHammer on March 10, 2022, 05:42:26 PM
That must be me, I've never, ever, no way, every tore up anything.  Just ask people who know me and they will say I'm as delicate with equipment as a butterfly landing on the beak of a hummingbird.  :D :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on March 10, 2022, 06:26:13 PM
  I was gonna post "where did you want me to cast it" but I figured it would take me too long to go back, find and remove previous posts to the contrary. ::)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 10, 2022, 06:43:41 PM
I might have a set of as built drawings around somewhere.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Magicman on March 10, 2022, 10:33:48 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_18349.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1601950758)
 
I'll trade you even for that top link.  ::)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: doc henderson on March 11, 2022, 12:24:39 AM
ahhhhhh... Australian top link.  :)   are they metric threads? @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
:D :D :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 11, 2022, 05:22:21 AM
I try to edit those parts out of my videos.
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Post by: caveman on March 11, 2022, 05:32:08 AM
Funny thing you say that, Jake.  Every time we try to do a video, something seems to happen.  We try to put a video every month or so on FB to stimulate a little business and it really seems to work.  One event that comes to mind is from about a year ago.  We were sawing some really nice old longleaf pine and everything was going smoothly and boards were flying of the mill.  This was until I was dragging a board back, dropping the head about to enter the next cut.  As I did, the front outrigger crushed and slipped off of the 16" paver that it parks on and the tongue of the mill sat firmly down on the auxiliary battery.  It's not unlike sawing with an audience. (I'll be taking notes next month).
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 11, 2022, 05:40:46 AM
Yup I've had so many ask if I get nervous sawing with the crowd around at the projects. Truth is I never have. I figure if something happens and a mistake is made then we can turn it into a learning opportunity.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Magicman on March 11, 2022, 07:10:03 AM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/DSCN1973.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1401146335)
 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/DSCN1975.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1401146360)
 
And 'stuff happens' sawing Hickory Pecker Poles that ain't da operator.  Learning opportunity??   :D  
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Post by: SawyerTed on March 11, 2022, 07:47:10 AM
 :D :D  Firewood opportunity, better yet where are the pork butts!?!?
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: chet on March 11, 2022, 08:54:56 AM
Quote from: customsawyer on March 11, 2022, 05:40:46 AM
I figure if something happens and a mistake is made then we can turn it into a learning opportunity.
That's how come we're all so DanG smart. Lottsa learnin'  :D
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Machinebuilder on March 11, 2022, 09:02:18 AM
I'm going to have to ask


What happened to do that?
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: YellowHammer on March 11, 2022, 09:06:55 AM
It popped out of the clamp.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Machinebuilder on March 11, 2022, 11:11:05 AM
Ahh, with my manual crank I don't get that far when the clamp lets loose.
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Post by: doc henderson on March 11, 2022, 04:25:11 PM
that sounds exciting!  the little stuff can be as hard as the big stuff, just not as heavy.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 12, 2022, 04:11:19 AM
MM that was a funny moment. With all the sawyers at that project and then that load of logs showed up.  Several struggled with remaining polite to him. The best part was the look on everyone's face when I just kept sawing. You do seem to enjoy posting those pictures.

Now back to our regular schedule programing.

planing wide slabs with the Cantek #shorts - YouTube (https://youtu.be/8ZG-0hpmUCQ)
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Post by: customsawyer on March 12, 2022, 06:11:31 AM
A little 4 head Pinhero planer in action.

Making V- Groove paneling with a Pinhero 4 head planer - YouTube (https://youtu.be/55sCFEhQES4)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Walnut Beast on March 12, 2022, 06:40:25 AM
Very nice video 👍. I didn't catch how long they were ?
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Post by: customsawyer on March 12, 2022, 06:48:32 AM
16'
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Post by: WDH on March 12, 2022, 09:29:19 AM
There were'nt much wiggle room in that pine slab :). 
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Magicman on March 12, 2022, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: customsawyer on March 12, 2022, 04:11:19 AMThe best part was the look on everyone's face when I just kept sawing. You do seem to enjoy posting those pictures.
Yes Sir I do.  You handled it totally like the professional that you are, and when asked why you kept on sawing your response was spot on.  You may very well ruin a blade if you try to back up and the "log" is junked anyway, so saw through and get if off of the sawmill.  Learning is what it is all about and this is a valid lesson for new sawyers to learn.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: GAB on March 12, 2022, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: customsawyer on March 12, 2022, 04:11:19 AM
MM that was a funny moment. With all the sawyers at that project and then that load of logs showed up.  Several struggled with remaining polite to him. The best part was the look on everyone's face when I just kept sawing. You do seem to enjoy posting those pictures.
Magicman has a knack for coming up with titles that get your attention, and/or arouse your curiosity.
For an example type: Crime does pay in the search bar and then the enter key.
GAB
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 12, 2022, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: WDH on March 12, 2022, 09:29:19 AM
There were'nt much wiggle room in that pine slab :).  


No Sir. You have to be careful when feeding a 16' board with 1" of room on each side. Make sure it's strait as they are tough to move left or right once all those little fingers get a grip on them.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Okrafarmer on March 15, 2022, 12:29:15 AM
Quote from: doc henderson on March 11, 2022, 12:24:39 AM
ahhhhhh... Australian top link.  :)   are they metric threads? @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
:D :D :D
yeah, mate, kind of boomerang shaped....
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 26, 2022, 07:11:00 AM
Getting this 60+" log cut to length and ready for the Lucas.

Trimming a biggin #Shorts - YouTube (https://youtu.be/raJbNMKpMEs)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 28, 2022, 06:06:08 AM
Of course while I was sawing the big oak log on the Lucas a couple loads of logs show up to be unloaded. Well since I finally got my backhoe from out of the shop I thought y'all might like to see it in action.

Unloading logs with the Cat 420DIT backhoe - YouTube (https://youtu.be/1JKcWmoBQZ4)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: moodnacreek on March 28, 2022, 09:00:24 AM
You must have done that before, that was fast. Funny how the center of a log is not often the balancing point. The butt flare can be lighter than the top.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 29, 2022, 06:26:10 AM
Here is a short video of the Lucas in action with the winch.

Slabbing with the Lucas mill #Shorts - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ZpyRF1N3eXw)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: customsawyer on March 30, 2022, 06:28:40 AM
Someone had asked on the forum how to get slabs off of a one of these mills. Well this is how I get a 3x60x17' slab off of the mill.

Sliding slabs off the Lucas Mill #Shorts - YouTube (https://youtu.be/UlyVqfd2lAM)
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: moodnacreek on March 30, 2022, 07:59:39 AM
If I was young again I would build an up and down sawmill to show you guys how to cut those [what you call] slabs.  Anyhow I am building a top saw for my mill now to cut bigger logs without using a chainsaw.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Andries on March 30, 2022, 09:05:02 AM
CustomSawyer: good to see you in action with the Cat hoe. There's only so much you can do with forks, it must be nice to have a selection of equipment to choose from. Keep those vids coming buddy!
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Magicman on March 30, 2022, 09:51:37 AM
No video but when I was sawing timbers with no side lumber those top slabs were heavy:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_3855.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1518574265)
 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_3856.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1518574283)
 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_3857.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1518574299)
 
Big JD Excavator and a Skidsteer.  Sawn timbers seen in the background.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: moodnacreek on March 30, 2022, 01:12:21 PM
What a waste and dirt everywhere. I am surprised you could cut any thing there.
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Post by: Okrafarmer on March 30, 2022, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: moodnacreek on March 30, 2022, 01:12:21 PM
What a waste and dirt everywhere. I am surprised you could cut any thing there.
Dirt everywhere....especially on mobile jobs, which is most of what Magicman did.
I assume he was taking those thick sides off at customer's request....I wonder what the customer was planning to do with them?
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Magicman on March 30, 2022, 06:43:40 PM
Customer's cleared land and his logs.  The cut list was for 12X12's, 6X12's, 8X8's, 4X8's, and 4X6's.  I sawed well over 1,000 timbers on that job with no side lumber.  One timber per log.  All of the slabs went for firewood.

There are many pictures in the topics showing excavators bringing me whole logs, stump included, which I cleaned, bucked to length, and then sawed the timbers.  That job was very profitable both to me and to the customer.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Hilltop366 on March 31, 2022, 09:45:41 AM
Thanks Customsawyer, I enjoyed the mill tour(s). 
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Post by: customsawyer on March 31, 2022, 06:27:15 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 31, 2022, 09:45:41 AM
Thanks Customsawyer, I enjoyed the mill tour(s).


Come on down for the project. It's better in person.
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Hilltop366 on March 31, 2022, 10:33:36 PM
Well that would be fun but not in the cards right now. Wishing you all a successful project.
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Post by: Okrafarmer on April 04, 2022, 08:41:05 AM
Quote from: customsawyer on March 31, 2022, 06:27:15 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 31, 2022, 09:45:41 AM
Thanks Customsawyer, I enjoyed the mill tour(s).


Come on down for the project. It's better in person.
Is there a thread for that, Jake? When is the next project?
Title: Re: How some stuff happens at my mill.
Post by: Crossroads on April 04, 2022, 09:17:52 AM
Thanks for the planner video, I learned 3 things and will probably learn 3 more watching it again. Also, thank you for the advice! It wasn't really what I wanted to hear, but It was was I needed to hear. Definitely put a perspective on the project I wasn't seeing on my own. 
Kevin