I got the covid
Sheila's plant she works at was full of it. She got it.
Then I lost my voice , sore throat, chills and run down bad.
I have had all my shots .
Taking it day by day.
I'm a poster boy for all the things you shouldn't have when you get it.
We haven't caught it here yet, but are starting to feel in the minority :-\
Between the 4 of us going to 2 schools, a Kindy and work, all with cases, I can't see how we haven't been exposed. Taylor had 4 classmates test positive at school last week after feeling unwell in class, and Lil is the only one from her team that hasn't tested positive yet,
Now you worry about a random sneeze :D Did the vaccine actually work? Have we had it and didn't know? Will we catch it next week? ???
Going into Winter here, which is naturally "virus season" the Covid hadn't died down as much as we hoped, but most cases aren't serious and everything is open like normal.
I am sorry to read about that Jim. Hopefully the latest treatments will be successful with you and you can skim by with minimal woes. Please keep us updated.
It's a scary thing to have when the cards are stacked against you.
I hope all goes well for you.
Shelia too!!!!
Sorry to hear this, you'll have to take it easy for a few days an get your energy back up. I'm scared of getting the covid with not having any immunities, in fact today I'm going to the VA medical to get my 2nd booster shot. My primary VA doctor wants to start giving me primary shots to build up the ones I lost when I got a stem cell transplant.
Hope you and Shelia get better soon.
Take it easy. The director at work is getting over her third round with it. We made her go home yesterday, sounded horrible and easily winded, not ready for work yet. Keep an eye on yourself.
Bruno get a lot of rest and don't try to do much at all. Thats where I went wrong.
My mom lives in an assisted living place and all the residents there are vaccinated and all have their booster. Same with the staff. And here this week I got a call from the nurse there telling me they have several people with covid. How can that be? These shots don't amount to much.
Do what you have to, to get better Bruno! Praying for you!
My thoughts and prayer are for you and your wife.
Jim Rogers
I'm too busy for this lots of sawing orders
30 more garden beds to build with orders still coming in
New sharpener and setter to learn
Market place find heavy duty planer to set up
And sawmill shed to build
I have had 3 covid shots
Quote from: Bruno of NH on May 20, 2022, 06:34:56 PM
I'm too busy for this lots of sawing orders
30 more garden beds to build with orders still coming in
New sharpener and setter to learn
Market place find heavy duty planer to set up
And sawmill shed to build
I have had 3 covid shots
Yeah, see, there is the issue. Bruno I had the exact same problem for many decades when I was 'working' and believe me I get it, oh boy do I get it. BUT after I retired and could just let whatever it was that afflicted me run it's course, well THAT was when I realized that my actual 'down time' was a lot less then if I 'toughed it out'. Turned out I would take several weeks to get back in it if I tried to work through it, then if I just laid back and got the rest I needed.
You will do what you have to do, I get it, but try really hard to just lay around and moan, rather than try to make product.
I've had 3 covid shots too, but I don't expect that to buy me anything but perhaps keep me from dying from it.
I had Covid month-5 weeks ago. I am a pretty big boy, been smoking Marlboroughs for 40 years. Poster child for big problems related to Covid. But I had 3 shots. I got a runny nose and felt really tired, so I tested and yup positive. All I did was put the vitamin c to me constantly and took a 3 day break from doing anything at all expect run the tv remote. After the 3 days I was good to go, and I think I just used it as an excuse for day 3. Sit back, rest and don't run down your energy and system.
Praying for you. I have been sick since my second Pfizer shot and it's no fun. Then got covid and bells Palsey that made things worse. Now my doc says long covid and an autoimmune issue that seemed to start after the second jab are my problem.
Take care of yourself because it's a nasty disease. Your doctor should be able to treat you with an antiviral for a fast recovery.
Just when I think I'm feeling good
I get hit with a new symptom and back to the sickness.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on May 21, 2022, 04:18:04 PM
Just when I think I'm feeling good
I get hit with a new symptom and back to the sickness.
Part of the issue is there are so many different symptoms, and everyone seems to have a different mix. Anything between "nothing" and dead, And lasting anywhere from a day, to still having them 12 months later.
Fatigue seems to be a common and lingering one. People report waking up in the morning and feeling OK, but put in a couple of hours work and they simply run out of energy. That's what OGH is talking about, if you try and push through that you are probably doing more harm to your body, which is still trying to heal from the infection.
QuoteI've had 3 covid shots too, but I don't expect that to buy me anything but perhaps keep me from dying from it.
Of course that result alone is still a good outcome ;) The vaccines do seem to have pushed the average away from the dead, and more towards the "sniffles" though. Still seeing plenty of infections here, but relatively few ending up in hospital.
Wife and I are both positive with Covid >:( Kay went to a funeral a week and a half ago and a few days later started symptoms and another 5-6 days and I got it too. I started Paxlovid last evening so see how it goes.
Take care of yourself gspren. Rest a lot even when you think your improving. Get to the doc quick if you start getting bad.
Yes take care of your self
FWIW, I got the 4th covid jab a few weeks back in one arm and seasonal flu shot in the other. After 4-5 days I had no reaction which was not the case with the 3rd jab. Then wham! I felt like crap for a few days then back to regular. My wife got her 4th and flu too this week and hit her for couple of days more immediately than me for a day or so, went away pretty fast.
If it keeps us out of a hospital, I'm good with it all. The jab we got was the "bivalent/ Comirnaty" version from Pizer as used for seniors.
If you react it's working. ;D I recently got my fourth shot, if it covid shows up again I may get it but with any luck it won't be severe and I won't pass it around. It is all about risk vs reward.
Since I posted yesterday that we both got the Covid Crud I should add that we both had the original 2 shots and then the first booster a little over a year ago, was planning on the new booster but just didn't get it yet. Neither of us are overly sick and actually Kay is about over it, I've described the severity as like a "medium" strength cold where I feel like I could go out and blow the leaves off the yard if I had to but I preferred to wait another day or two. Thanks for the well wishes!
Think my wife and I got it week and a half ago. Slowly getting better but get tired very easy.
Quote from: trapper on November 02, 2022, 07:29:27 PM
Think my wife and I got it week and a half ago. Slowly getting better but get tired very easy.
I also get tired too easy and being in our 70s doesn't help but that's what I was told to expect from my older brother and some others that had it recently. Well wishes for you and your wife! You may need help to drag that buck in!
Near us, now, in an adjoining county where I retired from their schools, they've closed down the all the schools due to seasonal flu. Don't forget flu is a serious danger to we seniors!
Quote from: kantuckid on November 04, 2022, 09:25:29 AM
Near us, now, in an adjoining county where I retired from their schools, they've closed down the all the schools due to seasonal flu. Don't forget flu is a serious danger to we seniors!
We had a bad flu season here in NZ this Winter. A few Covid cases still, but flu and RSV were putting more people in hospital. Flu seems to hit the older folks hard, and RSV mostly affects babies and toddlers, and can be fatal. Weather has warmed up and the seasonal virus stuff has calmed down now, but the local schools had some classes cancelled a couple of times due to too many staff off sick with assorted viruses.
Update on myself, one week after testing positive and taking Paxlovid for 5 days I tested negative this morning! Wife is also now negative although she stayed sick a little longer than I did, she got it first and she didn't take the Paxlovid so it appeared the Paxlovid helped but no guarantee.
Quote from: gspren on November 07, 2022, 09:05:16 AMit appeared the Paxlovid helped but no guarantee.
Yeah, sample size of 2 isn't completely conclusive :D But the drug does appear to help, at least in making symptoms less and keeping folks out of hospital.
I read that some hospitals in the US are starting to feel the pressure from the "virus season", same as we did here over the past Winter. Not so much Covid, but all the other random cruddy viruses that the Covid shutdowns suppressed. Now they are circulating again, and a lot of people's immunity seems to have worn down over the last couple of years. At one point Lil's Kindy was down 4 staff out of 10, and had no relievers available. Fortunately (?) 1/2 the kids were also away sick so they were able to stay open with the staff / child ratio still OK.
US hospitals are so overloaded that one ER called 911 on itself | Ars Technica (https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/us-hospitals-are-so-overloaded-that-one-er-called-911-on-itself/)
We got Covid boosters and flu shots earlier in the year as we were booked to travel to the Islands, and didn't want to have to postpone (again) because one of us got sick. Neither is 100% sure, but if it stacks the odds in your favour, then go for it. So take care and do what you can to stay healthy, you don't want to end up in an ER that's down 20% on staff and up 20% on patients.
Take care all. Personally, I've never had it that I know of and won't be getting any more jabs for it until it proves to prevent infection and spread. And don't be surprised if you get rebound COVID from taking Paxlovid. It's a thing, the CDC describes it as 'Paxlovid rebound'. If it happens, it occurs after you are tested negative.
I have heard of the "Paxlovid Rebound" so while it's possible it isn't likely. I spoke at length with a Pharmacist from our local hospital and like the "Jab" it's not guaranteed or 100% but it nearly always prevents hospitalization or severe illness, just playing the odds.
Issue with Paxlovid is that it doesn't boost immunity, it just suppresses the virus while you are taking it. When you stop, you are possibly still vulnerable, but hopefully have built up some part immunity. Virus might make a comeback, but you are better prepared to fight it, So on average 2 mild cases is better that one serious one. (10 days at home is still better than a week in hospital)
Anyway, after dodging the virus this whole time Lil tested positive on Sunday. Only mild cold symptoms, but a positive test is an automatic 7 days at home. Several workmates and Kindy kids tested + last week, so chances are that's where it came from. Rest of us don't have to isolate unless we test + as well. Got a txt from the school today that a kid in Taylor's class was positive, please monitor symptoms etc. Yeah, we already have a case at home thanks. ::)
I'm eligible for free Paxlovid if I test +. and will pick up a course if I need it. Otherwise relying on the vaccine, general stubbornness and a medicinal Imperial Stout beer from the beer advent callender ;)
To be really effective the Paxlovid should be started as soon as possible after finding out you have Covid, don't wait to see how bad it gets.
I just ordered 4 Covid Tests thru the Post Office tests are still available
I just tested Positive
That's a bummer, I hope you're able to endure it with minimal symptoms and it goes away quickly. I had it a year ago, got a hang nail at the same time. Man, I wish there was a quicker cure for hang nails, that one was brutal!
I got it 10 days ago. Still weak as skim milk. Took the Paxlovid. Don't know if it did ny good or just made me feel worse. What a horrible taste it leaves in your mouth. Both Lindy and I had gotten sick just before Christmas and I developed a sinus infection to go along with that one. Just about the time we got over that we got hit with covid. I think the covid is done but now have another sinus infection. On round three of antibiotics to try and get rid of the sinus infection. What we had a Christmas wasn't Covid but was just about as bad. Lindy had that worse than I did and the Covid hit me worse than her. I'm about tired of being sick. Sick or not the animals still have to be tended and home upkeep still goes on. Haven't tested for Covid again but think it's done. Just this stubborn sinus thing.
I've been sick over 3 weeks. Dont want to know,just want it to go away.
I was close to 4 weeks getting over the sinus stuff, mother was to. RSV virus. It was just sinus and a throat tickle, I wasn't sick otherwise with it. Just a pain in the but blowing through a bunch of Kleenex boxes. :D So far, I've never had the COVID. If I did, it was the most insignificant thing I ever contracted because I never missed a beat. So I doubt very much I ever had it.
Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 31, 2023, 02:42:05 PMSo far, I've never had the COVID. If I did, it was the most insignificant thing I ever contracted because I never missed a beat. So I doubt very much I ever had it.
So far as I know I've had Covid twice, the first I didn't know it at all but a test when donating blood said I had it previously. The second time it was about as bad as a mild cold and I only tested myself because my wife had tested positive, I went outside and ran the leaf blower and did other stuff during that.
It's been the worst year I've ever had for being sick. Covid, pneumonia, strep throat, multiple sinus infections, and colds. Never been sick this much before in my life.
Quote from: Patrick NC on February 01, 2023, 06:58:54 PMIt's been the worst year I've ever had for being sick.
End of last year was like that here. The Docs here figure there had been little sickness during the pandemic because travel was shut down, no new strains of flu got in, and general social distancing etc cut down the other stuff. Means our immune systems might have got lazy, and now travel is a thing again there are new strains of the common viruses.
It didn't overwhelm the hospitals here, but they were pushed for a while. The random infections of course took out a % of the staff as well. Similar scenario at schools and Lil's Kindy. At one point the Kindy was down to 1/2 staff, but they could stay open as 1/2 the kids were out with various sickness. Some was Covid, some RSV, and lots of who knows what else.
Mid Summer now and things have settled down a lot. Hopefully that round of infections get everyone's immune system retuned for next Winter
My wife has it now. We went to an express clinic today and they confirmed it. She was coughing and had bad body aches last night. They did not give her any medication or such.
Now we will see if I get it or not. We had planned a trip south starting next week to see family and friends and we cancelled and will reschedule that. May combine with the trip to Jakes in April.
My son has it. So far his family has not shown any signs.
I went and got tested yesterday and tests confirm I have it too. Typical symptoms. Sore throat, head aches, dry cough, body aches, light headed, and general malaise.
Thankfully so far PatD and I have avoided it.
I just ordered 4 free test kits from the USPS with extended shelf life and updated expiration dates. I read that the "free" will expire when the epidemic proclamation expires. Of course, free was never free because we the taxpayers are paying for them.
I went to the Walmart Pharmacy to ask how much Covid Tests are ? The girl asks for my insurance card then gave me 8 Free Tests
:D :D
Paid by the insurance company, and I don't find that "free".
They stopped testing patients here, except under certain conditions.
I called my PA's office and she called in an order of Pavloxid Paxlovid for me and my wife. I picked them up and no charge from the pharmacy. I don't know if medicate/insurance covered it or always free, I can't take it within 24 hours of my Cholesterol (Statin) drugs so will be in the morning before I can start it then can take Statin for 5 days after I finish the Pavloxid Paxlovid.
Get ready for it to taste like Godzilla took a dump in your mouth. Those things have an awful aftertaste but they did seem to help for me.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 07, 2023, 08:40:04 PMI don't know if medicate/insurance covered it or always free,
Whoever pays, they figure that giving 10 doses away is a good investment, even if it only keep one person out of hospital, they are way ahead on $$.
Mine were free also. Normal cost from walmart was $20 with goodrx.
The original pricing was $700 a prescription, so someone is covering it. ;D
I was warned about the bad taste but it wasn't that bad, mainly tasted it when belching. Wife and I had covid at the same time, hers started a few days earlier, I took the Paxlovid and she didn't. I didn't get as sick or have it last as long but hers wasn't terrible either, I think the Paxlovid probably helped but can't know for sure.
For me the taste was horrible and some stomach issues to boot. The stomach issues may have been from the Covid but the stopped when the pills stopped. Lindy only took one pill and quit them because of the taste. Her bout with covid was not as bad as mine even without the pills. Best we can figure she caught it from a possible juror sitting next to her that was sick when Lindy got called in for jury duty.
I concur with the foul taste. We will see if the cure is worse than the disease. ::)
Our luck finally ran out up here.My wife got sick,coughing and throwing up and my SIL called and told me she tested positive for Covid.Yesterday I checked us both with home test and my wife tested positive and I tested negative. I am feeling pretty rough today so I probably have it too now.My wife is in poor health after having two strokes so I worry about her.Called our Doctor and he said best to let it run its course.Wife is feeling a little bit better so maybe we'll be Okay.Beautiful weather this week makes it hard to just sit but that's what I'm going to do
Hope you both get feeling better soon.
Thanks Jeff,They say everyone will probably eventually get it.Thought we might slide by but I guess not.Hopefully it won't last long,I've got stuff to do.
Did your doc mention the possibility of taking Paxlovid? I'm not taking a position one way or the other regarding this treatment, but, if your wife falls into the category of high-risk and is over 60 years of age, it may make the course of the disease easier on her. Must be taken within 5 days of the onset of symptoms. I would discuss with your doc. If you wait a few more days and she has a downturn in her condition, it will be too late. It's at least worth a conversation. Would also like doch to weigh in.
I called our doctors office this morning and talked to one of girls that work there and explained the situation.We have been going to him for years so he knows my wife's health problems.She said she would talk with the doctor and call back which she did.He offered to call in a prescription for nausea but when I asked about Paxlovid she said he doesn't prescribe it and said best let it run it's course. I hope he's right.Nausea is gone so we didn't get anything.My wife takes 16 pills a day from 12 different bottles so maybe there would be some reaction. I pretty much trust this doctors judgment but you never know.Also he didn't put my wife on most of her medications.The doctors at the hospital did after she had the strokes but he keeps them up.
Also she is 64 years old.
Wife and I both tested positive middle of April. Her Dr. put her on the Paxlovid, mine said no due to other meds.
The latent side effects after the initial Covid experience have been quite different from "normal" recovery from common colds. One for me was a sore back that was one day between the shoulder blades, then next day lower back, then back up high, and then in the hip. Another was sinus drainage like I'd never had before. That drainage still hangs on, but one nose-blow will clear it all out. Couple hours later, another blow over again. Chest congestion that clears easily but hangs on for two-three weeks when trying to talk.
Different, but both are doing pretty good now after four weeks and wife getting energy back. Being 84 is not easy, as the saying goes.
Thanks for the information Beenthere,can learn a lot more from others experiences than anywhere else.I should have added that my wife got sick and was nauseous after each vaccination and I felt bad but nothing like her.We quit after 3 shots although we still took the flu shots which didn't bother us.Doctorb,thanks for input also.Nice to have doctors on the forum :laugh:
Quote from: beenthere on May 23, 2023, 09:13:53 PMhe latent side effects after the initial Covid experience have been quite different from "normal" recovery from common colds.
The virus certainly hits people different. My Mother, (81) caught it earlier in the year. Doc did a phone consult and sent her a 1/2 dose course of one of the anti-virals, due to other health issues. She didn't get horribly sick, but was ~2 weeks to get her energy back. Then at a checkup a bit later the Doc noticed an irregular heartbeat and sent her to the hospital to be checked out. Stayed overnight and the issue cleared up, suspected to be an after affect of the Covid. She is on meds for irregular pulse anyway, so the Covid might have aggravated things.
Lil tested positive, but only had mild cold symptoms for a couple of days. Said she would still have gone to work except for the positive test. Neither the girls or myself got any symptoms, so either we dodged it that time around, or had such a minor infection we didn't notice.
Thing is that the anti-virals aren't a magic bullet, they just reduce your chances of getting very sick and needing hospital care. And even in that case there is little the hospital can do unless you need oxygen or more intensive support. May as well stay home and feel like mud, vs taking up a hospital bed, and still feeling like mud.
Glad you guys are feeling better Beenthere!
Wife and I had it, just about a 2 months ago.
I had a upset stomach for a few days. Just thought it was my gut acting up. Take meds for it, but was winding the tums to me. Kinda had a cough, kept using my inhaler more. Did not think much about it. I was even cutting wood when all this was going on.
Then the wife came down with something. She tested and came out positive. Then I tested and had it too.
There was something going on at work. If a couple of them would of tested, they would of been positive too I bet.
Wife had it much worse then me. It lingered on for about a month or more.
Mine was gone in about 3 days. I felt like I had a slight cold and a upset belly. I was lucky!!
The concern among many MD's with Paxlovid is rebound Covid, which puts the patient through a longer course of the disease. The reason to use it is to decrease severe illness. The reason to not use it is to avoid the rebound. A real % of docs have stopped recommending it, fearing the treatment is worse than the risk of severe illness, hospitalization, or death from Covid. It's a judgment call by your doc. I'm glad you asked,and I'm glad he answered! Best to you.
And you too, beenthere!
Our family doc is no longer recomending vacines even to old fat guys like me, 8) she said the newest strains aren't dangerous enough to warant the chance of a problem with the vacine.
Found out that Covid is not to be taken lightly.It's a lot more than a cold,at least in our case.This is the sickest I've been in years.Been mostly in bed for the last two days.Both of us feeling a little better but extremely tired.I have had a fever for two days and wife running to the bathroom.Hope the worst is over.
Quote from: doctorb on May 24, 2023, 08:57:07 PMThe concern among many MD's with Paxlovid is rebound Covid, which puts the patient through a longer course of the disease. The reason to use it is to decrease severe illness. The reason to not use it is to avoid the rebound.
I just read this because it was previously of no concern to me. I did not have nor did I think that I would ever contact Covid. My Dr. prescribed and I took Paxlovid, I guess so far, so good. I was not aware of so I hope that I am not a "rebound" patient. I am now 10 days past taking any medication and I am enjoying smelling my morning coffee. I sawed Sassafras Monday and the fragrance was nice.
I forgot to mention that there were 4 of us that I know of that contacted Covid probably from the same source. None of us were treated by our Dr. the same. I was the only one that took Paxlovid, one took another med?, another was given a steroid shot and one did nothing. We all seemingly survived in the same manner and in the same length of time. ?? We were all within ~10 years the same age.
My wife and I both tested positive for Covid in April this year. Neither of us took anything and only had cold-like symptoms. Have been fine since.
Glad everyone is doing fine. I have a regular chest cold right now I got over the weekend. So I'm staying out of the wet woods for a few days. Hasn't hit my sinuses too bad yet, one ear kinda felt closed off but took a nap and it is back normal. None of these viruses are all that fun, I'd rather avoid them. :D
Lynn,
I am glad you are getting better. My wife and I had it in February. I took the Paxlovid and don't know if it helped or not. It tasted like I was walking around chewing on an old rusty nail all day long. My daughter came up in March and brought covid with her and re-infected my son, DIL, and her mom but the rest of us did not get it again. I thought we'd dodged the bullet with the vaccines and boosters but as many folks say those don't keep you from getting covid they just keep you from dying from it.
I thought I had it last month on our return from wife's 50 year HS reunion and visits to family an such. Came home with headache, fever, chills, no cough, and awful metallic taste in my mouth and no appetite. Had to force myself to drink fluids. Home covid test was negative, same 2 days later at doctor's office. They never did figure out what it was.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 16, 2023, 02:24:01 PMIt tasted like I was walking around chewing on an old rusty nail all day long.
How did you know what an old rusty nail tasted like?? :o
I grew up poor (pore) and could not afford chewing gum.
😂😂😂 Howard, you remind me of my Grandpa- never miss a beat!😂😂😂
BB,
I comes from the constant abuse I am subjected to on a daily basis. :D ;)
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 16, 2023, 06:02:57 PMcould not afford chewing gum
What is this "chewing gum" of which you speak?? ???
Up here we used to cut it off of a cow shade spruce. I collected a small coffee can full one time and boiled it. When it hardened up it was black and like obsidian glass. :D
Lynn,
This covid seems to be slowing your down.
You asked how I knew what chewing on an old rusty nail tasted like so I replied since we could not afford to buy chewing gum when we were kids we had to chew on something else - in this case it was an old rusty nail.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 16, 2023, 02:24:01 PMI thought I had it last month on our return from wife's 50 year HS reunion and visits to family an such. Came home with headache, fever, chills, no cough, and awful metallic taste in my mouth and no appetite. Had to force myself to drink fluids. Home covid test was negative, same 2 days later at doctor's office. They never did figure out what it was.
All the random viruses that we caught before Covid are still out there. The more serious ones that might kill you (Covid / Influenza etc) are detected by basic tests. When we say "I've got the flu and need a couple of days off", it's probably not actual Influenza. Just some random virus that they don't bother testing for. There might be 100 different viruses that could lay you up for a couple of days. If that's all it does, then it's "keep up the fluids and take a couple of paracetamol".
Covid is gradually dropping back to that level now. Practically everyone has now been at least exposed to it. but if you are older (less immune response ) it can be that last straw.
Covid is gradually dropping back to that level now. Practically everyone has now been at least exposed to it. but if you are older (less immune response ) it can be that last straw.
Not liking that last straw bit. taz-smiley taz-smiley
I read that the spike gene from the shots are inflaming blood vessels and people are dying from blood clots now.
I see on the net that one can take some vitamins to reduce that inflaming thing.
not just the shot, but the virus too. also, if you do not feel well and lie around, that has always been a risk for clots to form. You always have to compare the vaccine to the disease. Most antivax folks have never seen a child with Polio as an example. Covid hit hard and the decision was made not to research the vaccine for 20 years as is the usual. We will never really know how many would have died without the vaccine. Maybe the same. the first virus was more deadly than the current ones. The masks and social distancing were to prevent overwhelming of the hospitals. We were overwhelmed but not shutting the doors and letting people die in the parking lot, as their loved ones banged on the doors. That was the concern and was a real possibility.
If we are going to talk facts then it should be brought up that it has been proven there was actual DNA in the jabs, not just mRNA as was claimed. Skipping any of the historical reviews and safety procedures is just now revealing why their implementation was so critical to begin with. Nobody knows what the actual ramifications really are.
I am not going to argue. My analogy stands. We will never know and cannot go back and do it differently now. As an individual doc, we did the best we could with the info we had and worked our ashes off for 4 years. Many people died of the disease, and some died of complication of the vaccine. I am sorry for anyone who lost family and friends. Opinions of whether we would have been better off to have no vaccine, well, no one knows. My thread was sent to the woodshed for stuff like this.
I get that Doc, all water over the dam ;) Just asking about any vitamins that can help is all. b1 or c fish oil?
Maybe more Alcohol will help. :D :D :D :D ;)
And if you don't want to say is OK with me. ;)
I know there's a lot of junk on the net. :D :D
No Peter. I just am not familiar with that, but I will see what I can find. Yes, maybe in the meantime! smiley_beertoast, Jim the only DNA that I know of is the stuff for the prion that helps get things into the cell. The hope was the vaccine could be used out of the gate fearing millions of deaths, with an already developed technique for other vaccines and cell therapies. The flu vaccine is also changed each year in anticipation of the coming year. Yes, the covid vaccine has some of the side effects of the actual virus. most is from our immune system creating inflammation or attacking good stuff in addition to the virus. Type one diabetes is thought to be our immune system attacking a virus and cross reacting with pancreatic islet cells.
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on November 19, 2023, 04:11:22 PMJust asking about any vitamins that can help is all. b1 or c fish oil?
I don't believe any of them actually prevent or cure covid. But I wouldn't be surprised if a study showed that people who took a particular vitamin had on average better outcomes. But that's because malnutrition will affect your immune system, making you more likely to catch any infection, and get sicker because of it. If a large random group of people all took a vitamin, and 10% of them were actually short of it, then the general health of that 10% should improve. That's against Covid, the flu, toe fungus, whatever.
Alcohol? Don't think taking it internally actually helps against the virus although cleaning things with it does. But it kept a lot of people sane when things were locked down here, and it was considered an "essential service" even during the harshest lock-down.
The reason the last thread was canned was because any balanced discussion about the vaccine would include positive and ill effects and the politics and of course following the money and a heavy handed mandate including mass firings etc and that is not allowed in the general forum.
I did know several polio victims when I was younger and most were quads but know a few that fared better but serious just the same.
Now as far as I remember growing up, there was a one time vaccine for polio not ad nauseam.
I heard a saying awhile back that the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is about 6 months.
I respectfully beg to differ. The reason that thread got canned was because even thought there was a thread in the restricted side to allow discussion of the political, social, and 'other sides' of the issue, many members could not keep from making those comments in the general space, even after repeated requests and warnings to move those comments to the restricted space following the simple and clear forum rules that have long stood. Finally, the mods had no choice.
The thread ran long and had a lot of very useful and critically helpful information. But this is why we can't have nice things.
I was just thinking some vitamins might help with blood flow in the body. Like my Doc wants me to take a low dose of aspirin a day, so when I bleed which is every day at the mill, I bleed well. :D :D
vitamins are fine, but I do not know of anything specific. a baby aspirin a day is what many with clotting/vascular issues should be on.
Peter, My doctor swears by Vitamin C to help with fighting viruses.He says take 1000mg a day and the body can get rid of what's not needed so you don't have to worry about getting to much. I'm no doctor by a long shot but I've been taking one every day along with my wife and haven't noticed any ill effects.
Quote from: Paul_H on November 19, 2023, 06:49:40 PMNow as far as I remember growing up, there was a one time vaccine for polio not ad nauseam
One dose seemed to do it for Polio (and Smallpox), at least giving enough herd immunity that you now don't even get exposed to them.
But Tetanus, Influenza and even Chicken Pox seem to require boosters over time. The thread about the Shingles vaccine is technically about a "booster" for folks natural immunity to Chicken Pox, which wears off as we get older. Covid is more like the Common Cold viruses, and the reason there isn't a vaccine for that is A: there are several strains, that keep mutating, and B: the side effects of the vaccine might be worse than the Cold. The risk from the Covid vaccine is maybe 1,000 times less than catching the virus with zero immunity. The risk of serious side effects from the vaccine ISN'T zero, they have happened. Just they are many times less than contracting the virus.
So yeah, some immunity wears off, and most viruses mutate over time. Personally we skipped the last Covid Booster, although I got the Flu one as new strains of that made a comeback after the borders opened up. Will consider a booster going into our "flu season", in another 6 months or so.
Quote from: Wlmedley on November 19, 2023, 11:51:29 PMHe says take 1000mg a day and the body can get rid of what's not needed so you don't have to worry about getting to much
Bonus is that none of his patients have developed Scurvy ;)
But the thing is that taking 2,000mg will do nothing much, as you will pee out what your body doesn't need. But you are able to cross "Vit C deficiency" off the list of potential problems, and there is no known downside to taking 1,000 mg Vit C.
An interesting article came up on one of my feeds today, about a plant called NZ Spinach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragonia_tetragonioides
When Capt Cook, the first European to land in NZ arrived he and his botanist checked out the local plants looking for something "green and edible" for the crew to eat. And decided that this was a good candidate. While the actual science wasn't understood at the time, the sailors had come to realise that it was lack of fresh fruit / vegetables that caused health problems for the crew on long voyages. One solution was to carry a supply of Limes, because they kept pretty well, and that led to English Sailors being called "Limeys". So like your Dr's advice, drinking the juice of a lime each day will prevent Scurvy. They also brewed beer while mapping the coastline, but with no hops they picked out some likely looking local plants to add a bit of bitterness. I suspect the beer was mostly for morale purposes though. The brew has been recreated from the entries in his log book, and the results were "interesting", but probably not ready for commercial sale. Unless you had been on a boat for 6 months and were eating random leaves you found on an uncharted Island. :D
P.S. I've grown the NZ Spinach plant before, and it's perfectly edible. Usually chop it up and add it into a stir fry as a "random greens", and Vit C booster.
I'm a strong advocate of Vit D3. I've seen the science by prominent people in the field studying it for years. Unless you took extremely high doses there's no side effect. What you take in pill form does not get fully absorbed and not as long lasting either, compared to getting it from sun exposure. We have little choice at this latitude from October to March with the sun being low in the sky. It also prevents rickets in children unless there is a rare genetic defect. It effects about every cell in the body in some way. It is also significant to the immune system. A lot of hype around Vit C is based on a quack study that has never held up to scrutiny. These days you can get Vit C naturally from the variety of food we eat, some veggies (peppers) and lots of fruits.
I've never had COVID19. I have had a couple colds, the last one was a bad strain. I've heard of other people having a similar strain this past year. Ear infection along with it. It's definitely a nasty one. I never even had a runny nose, which was odd.
Greens are a good place to get Vitamins. Now Ann is gone, 5 years come Dec 4. :'( I don't eat many greens. I don't like to cook or clean the mess after. Sometimes it's a burnt hamburger and a raw egg for lunch,
I know my health has gone down some, Had a stroke already, In a way I don't care.
I can't tell you how much I miss her.
And my shoulder hurts bad from the shot all the time. How long has it been? 2 + years. My doctor says nothing He can do.
I do eat the alphabet of Vitamins by the hand full every day. :D
Just asking about them so I might cut back some. :D
a good diet is a great place to start. a multi vitamin is great. some extra vit C and zinc is fine. If you have a documented deficiency or are taking a medication that uses it up, or requires more of a certain vitamin, it should be replaced. The fat-soluble vitamins can build up and cause toxicity if you take too much. Vit K is the antidote for coumadin. If you take isoniazid for TB, you need to take vit. B6. you need B12 and folate to make red blood cells. B12 comes from red meat and takes years to deplete. folate is green leafy vegetables and takes months to deplete.
this one is long, but also has more info for those interested.
vitamins fat soluble (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK218749/)
this is more of a summary and more readable.
fat soluble vitamins (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fat-soluble-vitamins#vitamin-a)
Things I heard that may or may not be true. :D
I know a guy that has really bad blood clot problems, he told me that his doctor told him not to eat greens because it would make it worse, he said it was because of the vitamin k.
Another friend would take lots of vitamin c any time she thought she was getting a cold or anyone she knew had a cold, she ended up with a bad case kidney stones and was told it could have been caused or made worse by taking all the extra vitamin c.
K2 you get mostly from fermented veggies like sour kraut.
Well, I guess I'll just take one handful a week now. ;D
Quote from: Hilltop366 on November 20, 2023, 08:34:15 AMnother friend would take lots of vitamin c any time she thought she was getting a cold or anyone she knew had a cold, she ended up with a bad case kidney stones and was told it could have been caused or made worse by taking all the extra vitamin c.
Kidneys are the organs that are filtering waste and excess material from your bloodstream. As you excrete any Vit C that's above what your body actually needs, it makes sense that taking excessive amounts would creates more work for your kidneys.
On the Covid subject. This is a summary of the pandemic in the Cook Islands. It's an interesting if not very scientific "lab experiment" that suggests what might have happened if the vaccine was available sooner? Basically being an isolated Island they avoided the pandemic completely until Feb 2022, at which time 97% of the population (12+) had been vaccinated. Once the borders opened up they started seeing cases, several hundred a day, and about 1/2 the population tested positive over the next 3 months. But from a population of ~15,000, they recorded only 2 deaths. By the time we visited in August 2022 (A trip booked and paid for in 2019 !), it was all over. Got off the plane and the customs lady says, "you can take your mask off now".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_Cook_Islands
Having been there several times now I tend to believe their numbers. You can't hide mass deaths in a small town where everyone knows everyone else. The whole Island of Rarotonga is really one small town, but everyone has internet etc. (it's not some dodgy 3rd world dump).
Quote from: Hilltop366 on November 20, 2023, 08:34:15 AMI know a guy that has really bad blood clot problems, he told me that his doctor told him not to eat greens because it would make it worse, he said it was because of the vitamin k.
This makes sense. I don't know the chemistry behind it, but I do know that people using blood thinners should not go heavy on the kale (and other greens).
Quote from: doc henderson on November 20, 2023, 06:52:50 AMVit K is the antidote for coumadin
And I now see this detail from Doc.
Roughly the same demographics as here in NB. We had only slightly more than 1/10th of 1 percent death rate with all the years and deaths combined. If looked at annually, the number diminishes big time with the less lethal strains. Then also separate the deaths as a cause versus incidental and the numbers get squeezed a lot more. :D
It's going on around here again lately. We just got the call our son and 2 of the grandkids have it now. Looks like we will be home alone for Thanksgiving to be safe this year. We were scheduled to go to their home this year. Time to go find a turkey.
Lots to memorize if you go to med school. fat soluble vitamins (i.e. they do not come out in urine and can build up) and the vit K dependent clotting factors. 2, 7, 9, and 10. coumadin blocks those. It can be dangerous if you get too few clotting factors on coumadin. INR is the international normalized ratio. labs would do a standard clotting time for pt/ptt. then you take the patients number and divide by the normal. if they are normal, it should be about 1. i.e. 11.2/11.3 is about one. for a-fib we want you about 2 to 3 timed the normal. in the old days you had to do the math and had to know the normal for each facility. artificial heart valves are 2.5 to 3.5. It takes a while to make clotting factors so take a day or two to normalize slot time with coumadin/warfarin vs intake of vit K. If you occasionally eat green leafy veggies, then the doc is going up and down on the dose. so, it is most important to eat vit. K containing food on a very regular basis (a consistent amount) or try to avoid them in a consistent manner. too little and you have strokes or PEs from a valve producing clots. your blood is no thinner from a viscosity point of view, but folks thought it was thinner since it leaked out easier. It is harder to stop bleeding. These tend to be used in old people who tend to fall and hit their head. Potentially a very dangerous drug to use. Lots of factors and patient education. We can give vit. K and reverse the coumadin in a day or so or give fresh frozen plasma containing factors.
Quote from: Ianab on November 20, 2023, 11:01:45 PMBasically being an isolated Island they avoided the pandemic completely until Feb 2022,
So they isolated from all exposure until one of the less dangerous varieties made it's way around. Wonder how much of a factor that was in the outcome.
our community of 45K ran about 3 months behind the bigger cities.
Quote from: Southside on November 21, 2023, 08:35:48 AM
Quote from: Ianab on November 20, 2023, 11:01:45 PMBasically being an isolated Island they avoided the pandemic completely until Feb 2022,
So they isolated from all exposure until one of the less dangerous varieties made it's way around. Wonder how much of a factor that was in the outcome.
No doubt it made a difference but I'm thinking it was part of the plan along with to delay until the virus and treatments were better understood, not all getting it at once and overwhelm hospitals, better controls over the spread of the virus.
It really only works in small communities, or under strict government control (think China) or both. We tend to not do what we are told here. I am proud to be a part of that group as well. Lots of unintended consequences when you are dealing with 330 million folks.
Right or wrong, smart or dumb, wife and I got our covid boosters today. Our primary care doc said she thought we should.
I think the odds are in your favor to be more helpful, than not. The newer strains are less virulent. Older folks are at increased risk from the disease. myself included.
I'm over this. This topic has been discussed to death since the chinese turned it lose on us. Further discussion on this topic serves this Forestry Forum in zero ways.
Hereby locked.