Doug is attempting to post the video 'Moodna Creek Sawmill' his neighbor made.
https://youtu.be/m_pskLkehEk (https://youtu.be/m_pskLkehEk)
Thank You, I loved watching it but no thank you, I'll just keep on doing what I am doing. :D
That's a nice operation.Thanks for posting.
Quote from: Magicman on April 08, 2023, 04:29:42 PM
Thank You, I loved watching it but no thank you, I'll just keep on doing what I am doing. :D
Well I would have a small band if I had more room and was younger I hate sawing small cedars with the thick blade. Back when I started there was only circle and after a few years the Wood-Mizer came out. We had cold winters then and Wood-Mizer owners where coming to me because they could not saw frozen [at that time] wood. We are not in a pine area so the pine I get is all open grown junk. The locust and white oak top logs aren't much better and I believe the circle is better in dirty low grade and that is my resource.
I agree, scratch where you itch. ;D
Since it it something that I know nothing about, Circles fascinate me and I watch every one that comes up. :)
That is an extremely well put together operation. I am glad you are able to run solo but at the same time, I have seen lesser mills feed a number of families while the owners prospered. A sad commentary reflecting not on you or your operation but what has happened to our society and industry.
Thank you for posting. The right logs and help you built a 20K ft per day mill.
Quote from: stavebuyer on April 08, 2023, 06:49:06 PM
That is an extremely well put together operation. I am glad you are able to run solo but at the same time, I have seen lesser mills feed a number of families while the owners prospered. A sad commentary reflecting not on you or your operation but what has happened to our society and industry.
Thank you for posting. The right logs and help you built a 20K ft per day mill.
Stave, thanks for comment. All the mills [all small ones they where] are gone now. The suppliers for the most part are down south. When I started there was a sawmill supply salesman who called. I am and never was a commercial operation rather a local use mill. The N.Y.C. money is all around here these days and retail $ only need apply. The circle saw marked 'table top' wide plank is the thing. I was finishing up 5m of some nice walnut when this was filmed and having some saw trouble so I was going slow. I also do quiet a bit of soft wood 1x12 and go much faster sawing that. This carriage is new to me so I am slow there also. I enjoy your posts, Doug
Nice looking setup! I admire your 1 man circle saw setup! Hope to be as fluid as you one day! Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Ventryjr on April 08, 2023, 08:22:12 PM
Nice looking setup! I admire your 1 man circle saw setup! Hope to be as fluid as you one day! Thanks for sharing.
I hope you do even better. When you get your carriage moving faster [the log end] you stop working on that and go to the board end. Being able to saw trouble free comes first but there is no reason to saw fast if the lumber and slabs don't go away and collect somewhere to be stacked later. If you don't mechanize you will always need men or wear yourself out. As you see I can run solo for the price of the fuel :embarassed: but when I get a man to tail the edger and stack the green chain it is much more productive. Did you saw with the different bits yet? Doug
l very much enjoyed the video. Thanks for taking the time to make it. 8) 8) 8)
Nice set up, you definitely have some nice equipment there.
Quote from: Southside on April 08, 2023, 09:42:37 PM
Nice set up, you definitely have some nice equipment there.
Southside, thanks for the compliment, it didn't happen overnight and my wife's job got me through the slow times. Also I must tell you I enjoy your posts, Doug
Very much enjoyed the sawmill video, and the ingenuity behind the many different creative parts of the your mill to run such a smooth operation. Smart ingenious man you are and backed up by a very good video. Thank you for taking us along. I could watch and enjoy your operation all day long every day.
Even enjoyed the many "wall hangings" that included past parts, past and present tools, and leaves you well set to make the endless repairs and new inventive creations you will likely continue to add as the need arises. Very well done.
Great video! Beautiful operation and equipment! Thanks for the tour!
Wow! That is one impressive setup. Thanks for going to the trouble of showing it, I hope you can keep doing more. I'm going to have to watch it some more, there was a lot going on there.
I was totally fascinated watching the second time, which I am certain won't be my last.
This is just "good stuff" being carried from the beginning to the end. thumbs-up
Don, the girl across the way did all of this and much more. She never came around when I was going full speed is white pine but showed up when I was in valuable walnut and having saw trouble. Add to that I am sawing wide using the top saw that must be done slow or the bottom saw will lay over and not meet the top saw kerf. I wanted to show off sawing fast but when you ruin one board you ruin 2 plus heat the saw so slow we go. Most of all I wanted to show the flip table and edger trap door w/ scissors lift at edger as this explains the one man operation.
Thanks for watching, Doug
That's a really nice sawmill! I too am fascinated by just about any circle sawmill.
Thanks for sharing.
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Excellent operation! obviously years of work an rework to achieve that.
That is a phenomenal operation you have built. I hope that you will take time to make more videos and post them here. You have a lot going on for one person. It seems like sawing the boards is only a small part of the time required. The amount of automation you have is also impressive to me. Thank you for taking the time to show your mill.
Very nice operation! I really appreciate that you are doing it solo, that's where the hard part is.
Nice operation. I never saw a sweep on the tailer end of the edger like that. But it works pretty good. Its been a while since I've seen the Corinth cutoff saws. Saws always act up as soon as someone else is watching.
That is amazing. Thanks for sharing it. :)
Nice operation. Really like that swing saw. I try to give them away but there is always a pile.
Well Doug,I guess you really do have a sawmill. 8)
How many Onan's do you own? Are they all diesel?
Great job !
Loved it! Way more than just a sawmill. Fantastic.
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on April 09, 2023, 08:26:48 AM
Nice operation. I never saw a sweep on the tailer end of the edger like that. But it works pretty good. Its been a while since I've seen the Corinth cutoff saws. Saws always act up as soon as someone else is watching.
Ron , I am glad you responded. The saw trouble started after putting in a new set of carbide bits that I usually don't use. The saw did not sound right and I changed the last board thickness before i got the reading glasses on and the spider gage out. Prior to that I had reground them straight but they where also sticking out side to side. Being in a hurry I changed to another saw that is ready for hammering and then the camera started rolling. That sweep bar is a rough copy of an option that Chase edger had. I really wanted a tailer but have no room for it. The slabwood saw is an old Cornell from your home state. Doug
Quote from: 47sawdust on April 09, 2023, 08:57:42 AM
Well Doug,I guess you really do have a sawmill. 8)
How many Onan's do you own? Are they all diesel?
Great job !
47, The Onan is my only [3 phase] generator. If it stops everything stops. It came from a dealership about a mile away, was a trade in from a sewer plant that had to be enlarged so it became too small. It had only 450 hours and is pushing 3000 now. She is a Cummins C series 8.3 turbo and after cooled or something. Over the years I have sawed with tractors , car, light truck engines, a 1948 Cat D6 with pony burning settled and filtered used motor oil and then vegetable oil. Except for the cost of the diesel I am spoiled now. Doug
Is that a chip shield that drops in front of you when you enter a log?
Quote from: Southside on April 09, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
Is that a chip shield that drops in front of you when you enter a log?
There is a hardware cloth screen hanging there but I think you mean the mud saw I am pulling down when needed. The gal who did the filming did a great job but would of course not know just what another sawyer would be looking at. Just the same, she got almost everything I wanted to show except the scissors under the trap door raising the boards to be edged.
Very interesting
I wished I lived closer to see it in person
Please do more videos
Well automated setup Moodna. It's clear you put alot of work into refining the flow of material.
I watched this and by the end I had the hugest smile on my face.
There's a man's life in this video,and I know the man, and it made me really happy to watch it and see how the bits and pieces you've described over the years fit together, kind of like I imagined it, but kind of not. And I'll watch it again when I've got some time looking for ideas to steal because there's a couple of ideas there I might steal to make my own life easier.
Stay young Doug, it might take me a while to get there for a visit and I want to see it working not turned into condos and yuppie housing.
Quote from: longtime lurker on April 09, 2023, 06:46:13 PM
I watched this and by the end I had the hugest smile on my face.
There's a man's life in this video,and I know the man, and it made me really happy to watch it and see how the bits and pieces you've described over the years fit together, kind of like I imagined it, but kind of not. And I'll watch it again when I've got some time looking for ideas to steal because there's a couple of ideas there I might steal to make my own life easier.
Stay young Doug, it might take me a while to get there for a visit and I want to see it working not turned into condos and yuppie housing.
Long time, I am so glad you watched it. And I think you especially realize the time it takes to do a set up that works. Years of nights, no tv, no computer until recent years and no cell phone to interrupt. I know you understand, Doug
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Great video. Thanks for sharing your setup!
I shared the vid with a friend of mine who also saws solo on a circle and he is threatening to make a video now.
So much time and experimentation!
I really enjoy watching operators who are Masters of their machinery. Moodna you fit that description. Over the years of owning/operating a copper and brass finishing mill I had many operators run my rolling mills. Most could turn them on and run them but never really mastered them and made mediocre product at best. But a few of my core guys could make them sing by feel, sound, vibration, etc. You could watch and never understand how they did it. As we grew I often still went on the floor and ran the rolling mills to get out of the office for a while. I was pretty close to the masters but would run into trouble at times that I could just not correct. Call John over, give him a couple minutes and he would have the mill singing.
Thanks for putting that up.
Very nice. Like many others here I am also fascinated with circle mills. Especially one put together as well as yours.
I've got an Aunt and Uncle in Dover Plains that I've been meaning to go see. If I ever get up there I'd love to have a tour of your operation.
Patrick, P.M. me for exact location and to make sure I am here. Once the pine is done and the garden planted we go to camp every 3 weeks or so usually for 4 days at a time with longer trips in the summer. I presume you take the thruway at least part way when you go back home. Exit 16 and 32 north 10 miles up and you are here [we are on 32]. Dover Plains is across the river and up about another hour. I would enjoy meeting you and I hope you come, Doug
I have not responded to all who complimented me on the video but I want to thank everyone. These compliments are more than enough payment for the time and favors that it cost to make it. Some have asked for more and that confuses me as I thought every thing concerning sawmilling was covered. Also my nice neighbor did the real work and has alot more footage so I will talk to her so maybe another time but I don't know. Any member can P.M. me or stop by if in the area, Doug
Doug, I really enjoyed that video also. You are in the Harriman area, correct? (well a bit north of that, I guess). I haven't been down that way in a while, but I sure would love to walk through your neat setup. I saw lots of 'stuff' in the background that I found interesting.
Next time I have half and excuse to head south on the thruway I might just give you a call a few days ahead and see if you're around and if it works.
Doug, It took me a bit to realize that the video was your sawmill! I never knew your name except as Moodnacreek. :-[
Very cool operation and thank you for letting us into your operation. I am impressed.
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Quote from: Southside on April 09, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
Is that a chip shield that drops in front of you when you enter a log?
There is a hardware cloth screen hanging there but I think you mean the mud saw I am pulling down when needed. The gal who did the filming did a great job but would of course not know just what another sawyer would be looking at. Just the same, she got almost everything I wanted to show except the scissors under the trap door raising the boards to be edged.
Why do you need a mud saw? I thought you were running a "real sawmill" not one of these wimpy things guys like me run. :D
Quote from: Southside on April 11, 2023, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: moodnacreek on April 09, 2023, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: Southside on April 09, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
Is that a chip shield that drops in front of you when you enter a log?
There is a hardware cloth screen hanging there but I think you mean the mud saw I am pulling down when needed. The gal who did the filming did a great job but would of course not know just what another sawyer would be looking at. Just the same, she got almost everything I wanted to show except the scissors under the trap door raising the boards to be edged.
Why do you need a mud saw? I thought you were running a "real sawmill" not one of these wimpy things guys like me run. :D
A real sawmill has a debarker mill loading vans. I passed on one a few years back for $2000. There was a cyclone there also for 500. There is not enough room here to do it right. I always wanted to have something in the floor of the yard truck to remove bark that is loose or muddy while sorting logs to put on the mill. At 74 with the house falling apart and time flying Doug needs to stop making things for the sawmill
Thanks for posting and thanks to your neighbor for filming! Glad to finally see the setup and it sure is a thing of beauty. Now we know who is replacing all the jobs with robots, it's Doug and for all we know he buried his tailgunner out back the day the last sweep was installed ;D
Doug, that is a very impressive operation and I'm truly envious of the material handling you have set up. There is a lifetime of accumulated knowledge there and it would be pretty tough for someone to step into your shoes!
Is that a Duetz engine on the slab cut off saw?
Kudos to your neighbor, she did a fine job editing the video, too👍
You do realize that I am just returning the hard time you give all the band mill guys. ;D As I said earlier, that is an impressive set up.
Quote from: Southside on April 11, 2023, 05:04:48 PM
You do realize that I am just returning the hard time you give all the band mill guys. ;D As I said earlier, that is an impressive set up.
South, How many cows do you milk anyhow ;D?
Quote from: barbender on April 11, 2023, 02:50:03 PM
Doug, that is a very impressive operation and I'm truly envious of the material handling you have set up. There is a lifetime of accumulated knowledge there and it would be pretty tough for someone to step into your shoes!
Is that a Duetz engine on the slab cut off saw?
Kudos to your neighbor, she did a fine job editing the video, too👍
Bar, she's not bad looking either..... oh yeah that is a 2 cylinder Deutz. newest engine I got, starts quick and good on fuel. 31 hp. 2800 rpm, just right for the old slabsaw.
Those little Duetz are a marvelous little engine, imo. I think they are about the most fuel efficient engine I've ever been around.
Quote from: barbender on April 11, 2023, 07:53:28 PM
Those little Duetz are a marvelous little engine, imo. I think they are about the most fuel efficient engine I've ever been around.
It replaced a 4cyl Wisconsin also a good engine but with them you don't need a gas tank, just set a 5 gal. can next to it an it will suck it right up. I could not stand to put an electric motor on it and run the big gen just to buzz up slabs. A big rental outfit threw that Duetz away with 58 hours on it because a customer wrecked the machine it was on. Wife's cousin is their mechanic. Problem was getting the sae adapter to put a clutch on it. The German parts book does not define sae housing numbers even though they build it sae and the parts guy wants the engine build code so he can tell you you don't have that part!
Quote from: moodnacreek on April 11, 2023, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: Southside on April 11, 2023, 05:04:48 PM
You do realize that I am just returning the hard time you give all the band mill guys. ;D As I said earlier, that is an impressive set up.
South, How many cows do you milk anyhow ;D?
Right now - 27 or 28 I think. We are not big by any measure, but we bottle our milk in glass and deliver it so that gives us a niche.
Congratulations Doug, outstanding video
An amazing place,
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Quote from: Southside on April 11, 2023, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: moodnacreek on April 11, 2023, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: Southside on April 11, 2023, 05:04:48 PM
You do realize that I am just returning the hard time you give all the band mill guys. ;D As I said earlier, that is an impressive set up.
South, How many cows do you milk anyhow ;D?
Right now - 27 or 28 I think. We are not big by any measure, but we bottle our milk in glass and deliver it so that gives us a niche.
Yeah, just a hobby farm. Ok we are even. But I have always liked people that work the land. When I was little we sold milk to the neighbors. I don't think it was legal then.
Quote from: dgdrls on April 12, 2023, 05:46:30 AM
Congratulations Doug, outstanding video
An amazing place,
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Good to hear from you. Place is a mess, we tried to keep the camera off the junk.
Quote from: moodnacreek on April 12, 2023, 09:00:43 AM
Quote from: Southside on April 11, 2023, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: moodnacreek on April 11, 2023, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: Southside on April 11, 2023, 05:04:48 PM
You do realize that I am just returning the hard time you give all the band mill guys. ;D As I said earlier, that is an impressive set up.
South, How many cows do you milk anyhow ;D?
Right now - 27 or 28 I think. We are not big by any measure, but we bottle our milk in glass and deliver it so that gives us a niche.
Yeah, just a hobby farm. Ok we are even. But I have always liked people that work the land. When I was little we sold milk to the neighbors. I don't think it was legal then.
Yea, just something to get me away from having to count all the money I make running my narrow kerf band sawmill. :D
What do you call the gizmo that kicks slabs one direction and boards the other? Would have made life almost bearable as a circle mill offbearer 8hrs a day and everyone that saws should be studying your video like they do some others. I am going to watch a few more times at a slower speed and see what the guy thinks about making some work flow changes to his operation. Nobody is getting any younger.
Wrestling 16' sap dripping slabs off the waist high conveyor as soon as they left the saw and before they went into the building, then onto waiting machine forks to be dumped was right up there with the worst. Certainly had to be there to grab those slabs as soon as they come off the saw, not stacking a board somewhere or diddling around or going to hate dragging the slab back out.
Mudfarmer, no correct name that I know of. Perhaps separator table. To me it is the roller kicker table. 15 20 years ago I did that whole end of the mill after visiting as many small mills as I could 2 problems, no land and zoning. I got the original mill up with a permit but was never allowed to enlarge it...... so I could never widen the board end under a roof. That table was my idea but I had it built in Vermont by John Bornneman who had Green and Green, a welding/machine shop that took over Chase Sawmills when they stopped building machinery. He also got me all the parts to rebuild the chase edger. Bruce Dexter of the Chase sawmill fame suggested the sweep bar on this edger. The green chain was a log deck from Potsdam Hardwoods. I cut that in half and welded it back when I got home. The loader arms that receive the boards and dump them on the green chain was all me, I could go on and on. Thanks for your interested, Doug
I liked your video to, Doug. Everyone has expressed my same thoughts about your operation. Keep on roll'n. smiley_thumbsup
I'd call it a sweep. It sure beats spiral rolls for handling material quickly. A dump is best suited for slabs and blocking.
I was at one mill where they used spiral rolls to bring board and edging strips to a conveyor and bring that back to the green chain where the edgerman stood. He also stacked the lumber. It was a very efficient 2 man operation that had the capacity to cut 40' barn beams. Doug's sweep would have been much better.
Efficiency has to do on how quickly you can get material from one station to the next.
Wanted to chime in and say thanks for posting that. I think I watched it at least twice looking at different things. A lot to take in. Things like that give inspiration for us younger guys. I'm guessing you like green.
Thanks for posting that video. I have read your helpful comments on circular sawmills on here for years and am in the slow process of setting one up myself. Just watching the video is good inspiration nevermind all the great ideas to learn from.
Quote from: Rigg on April 14, 2023, 08:11:45 PM
Wanted to chime in and say thanks for posting that. I think I watched it at least twice looking at different things. A lot to take in. Things like that give inspiration for us younger guys. I'm guessing you like green.
You are welcome. That sawmill was green and I painted it the same. Besides pride painting that equipment makes it clean up fast and easyer to spot problems that happen too often
Quote from: Plankton on April 14, 2023, 10:12:53 PM
Thanks for posting that video. I have read your helpful comments on circular sawmills on here for years and am in the slow process of setting one up myself. Just watching the video is good inspiration nevermind all the great ideas to learn from.
Glad you liked it. Western Mass., not that far, Chase country or Lane. Am I right?
All chase and lane up here and quite a few of them running still. Mine is a chase/lane.
I would like to see the under side of the pusher on the outfeed of the edger. I need to redo mine. Is yours hydraulic or pneumatic?
As you can see the sweep bar has a horizontal pin at each end. 2 slotted vertical bars push this sweep bar both ways. Those bars are welded to a long shaft under the table. It has a arm attached to a hydraulic cylinder controlled with a Prince automatic log splitter valve I step on.