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Title: debarker question
Post by: jmouton on March 18, 2024, 09:28:10 PM
so how often do you guys use your debarker,,,10 percent 90 percent,,,,  we hardly come across straight logs to mill on our 40 wide head,  we havent used it about 4 hrs out of 1100 on the mill,,,i am thinking about just taking it off and being done with it ,,,plus it get in the way sometimes trying to mill max width and carving up big logs on the mill with a chainsaw when the head gets stuck on the log,,,so whats everyone think
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: SawyerTed on March 18, 2024, 09:48:23 PM
I use my debarker 90% of the time when there's bark on that side.  

There's a very noticeable decrease in the blade sharp time when I don't. My guess is 50% or more decrease in sharp time.  
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: caveman on March 18, 2024, 09:50:07 PM
We use ours just about every time the blade is entering bark.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: WV Sawmiller on March 18, 2024, 09:55:19 PM
  I only use mine on logs over about 6" in diameter. I'd use it on ones smaller than that if it would reach them. ffcheesy
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: oldgraysawyer on March 18, 2024, 11:44:04 PM
If the log has bark I use it. Even sand-dirt or a small stone trapped in the bark reduces the sharp edge especially on a blade that I've used for a couple of hours and can quickly lead to bad results making an overall cost a little higher somewhere in your process, longer cut time, wavy cuts, cut lines in your product, extra fuel to get through the logs, etc. My debarker can't reach the smaller stuff like WV Sawmiller but I don't have my own sharpener.....yet, and I'd rather take an extra minute and get more board feet before sending off my blades to get re-sharpened.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Southside on March 19, 2024, 12:40:48 AM
I removed the one on my 35 as it did restrict the width at times, it was pretty much an immediate observation that band life decreased significantly and it went back on after that.  
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Bruno of NH on March 19, 2024, 06:05:43 AM
2019 lt 40 wide
3,400 hrs have hardly used it
Has never worked right 
The swing pin breaks all the time
I have been thinking of removing mine as well
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Magicman on March 19, 2024, 07:42:46 AM
Put me in the "always" camp, so 100% of the face openings.  If there is bark, the debarker is engaged.  Clean log or not.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Chuck White on March 19, 2024, 08:28:21 AM
When I had my sawmill, I engaged the debarker whenever the blade was entering bark!
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Stephen1 on March 19, 2024, 08:34:52 AM
I saw mainly urban salvage big ugly logs and use my debarker all the time. I also have upgraded to the 1/2" wheel and removed the yoke so that it swings out for those wide logs and out of the way when changing the blade. I can swing my debarker 360.  I didn't really remove the yoke, it broke and they sent the replacement under warranty. I like it without so I never reinstalled . I just have to pay attention to how many times the electric wiring cord is wrapped around.. :uhoh:
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Bruno of NH on March 19, 2024, 12:10:37 PM
My yoke is off 
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on March 19, 2024, 07:07:45 PM
Always unless it's not working which seems to be 10% of the time.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: whittle1 on March 19, 2024, 08:00:14 PM
Don't know if this is allowed per forum rules, but any of you in the never use group that want to sell it I would be interested. 
Please let me know if this needs moved or deleted.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: YellowHammer on March 19, 2024, 11:08:56 PM
Me too, if the cut is into bark, the debarker is spinning. 
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: beenthere on March 20, 2024, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: whittle1 on March 19, 2024, 08:00:14 PMDon't know if this is allowed per forum rules, but any of you in the never use group that want to sell it I would be interested.
Please let me know if this needs moved or deleted.

Solve that question about knowing and put up a wanted ad with the right wording. Then no worries.  :wink_2: :wink_2:

Here:
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=4193.0
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Foragefarmer on March 20, 2024, 06:22:22 AM
Only time I might not is on a nasty eastern red cedar log since it will hang up. Or when I forget and that sometimes has been a good not so good reminder of why I use it.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 20, 2024, 07:23:46 AM
I'm 100% on all cuts,
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: TimW on March 21, 2024, 06:56:41 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 18, 2024, 09:55:19 PMI only use mine on logs over about 6" in diameter. I'd use it on ones smaller than that if it would reach them. ffcheesy
Cutting twigs again, Howard?
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Mr. Buck on March 21, 2024, 07:25:32 PM
So I ordered a LT35 a couple of months ago. The salesperson is also a field tech and he did not want to sell me the debarker for the 35. He told me that it was underpowered and blew fuses constantly.  He said it was not a problem on the 40, 50 or 70 models. He owns an LT35 himself as well. 

Have y'all experienced this?  I'm a bit nervous about running without a debarker.  I'm worried that my blade costs might be a lot higher than they need to be. I'd love to hear what you think! 
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: SawyerTed on March 21, 2024, 07:34:20 PM
The debarker or breaker were not problems on the LT35 I had for 4 years.  It worked well.   

The usable sharp time on the blades is noticeably greater when using the debarker.  
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Gary Davis on March 21, 2024, 07:42:52 PM
only when there is bark
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Old Greenhorn on March 21, 2024, 07:45:31 PM
We had the same breaker problem on our LT50, Called WM and talked to their techs, also talked it through with others here and some WM techs in person. Although users report this problem often, WM denies they have ever heard of it (just like the breaking swing pins on the debarker and the dropping head issue). I finally realized I had to be my own troubleshooter, doped it out and wound up changing the direction of rotation on the motor and flipping the blade. Used to pop that breaker 4-10 times  day, since the change I trip it about once every 25 hours of cut time. It's all about how that blade approaches the log in relation to the debarker pivot point.
Perhaps your tech friend has not figured that out yet. As to the 'underpowered" comment I can't say.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: TimW on March 21, 2024, 07:58:39 PM
My LT40 wide's debarker only trips the CBs when I am cutting into extra thick SYP bark.  But these thick barked logs are over 30 inch diameter.  I have learned not to hog it into thick bark.

I really like to saw logs when the bark is starting to fall off by itself.  Even then sometimes, the log looks unclean, so I run the debarker then too.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Mr. Buck on March 21, 2024, 08:57:10 PM
Very interesting. Thanks, guys! 
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Southside on March 21, 2024, 09:55:01 PM
If you need any convincing try sawing a clean log at dusk without the debarker, the sparks will look like the 4th of July with all the embedded dirt and sand.  
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: moodnacreek on March 22, 2024, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: Southside on March 21, 2024, 09:55:01 PMIf you need any convincing try sawing a clean log at dusk without the debarker, the sparks will look like the 4th of July with all the embedded dirt and sand. 
Hickory bark and dead locust no matter how clean throw sparks. The worst is frozen dirt on the bottom of the log where the mud saw can't get it.
Title: Re: debarker question
Post by: Stephen1 on March 23, 2024, 07:48:44 AM
Quote from: Mr. Buck on March 21, 2024, 07:25:32 PMSo I ordered a LT35 a couple of months ago. The salesperson is also a field tech and he did not want to sell me the debarker for the 35. He told me that it was underpowered and blew fuses constantly.  He said it was not a problem on the 40, 50 or 70 models. He owns an LT35 himself as well.

Have y'all experienced this?  I'm a bit nervous about running without a debarker.  I'm worried that my blade costs might be a lot higher than they need to be. I'd love to hear what you think!
I had that problem when my mill was new. Brian @ WM sent me a new breaker and problem went away. I also run the 1/2" debarker blade on my deparker, an upgrade from the 3/8" blade and still no problems.