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General Forestry => Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. => Topic started by: NewYankeeSawmill on June 01, 2024, 02:18:23 PM

Title: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: NewYankeeSawmill on June 01, 2024, 02:18:23 PM
About 40 ft tall, pretty beat up, crooked, dead in places... Met a guy that wants some tool handle blanks,  I bet I can find 4, 5 and 6 foot sections that are straight, enough... I think it will be perfect salvage! Whaddya think?

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/74868/HickoryLeaves.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=354119)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/74868/HickoryBark.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=354120)


Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: doc henderson on June 01, 2024, 04:17:56 PM
cheap when you already have a sawmill, not much to lose.
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: Don P on June 01, 2024, 05:37:14 PM
I got your back if you come up short  ffcheesy
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: bluthum on June 02, 2024, 04:52:15 PM
I can't accurately predict for hickories grown in better timber growing regions than the Ozarks where I reside, but unless you wanted really short handles a tree like that around here would hardly have anything suitable for a handle. Tight rings are also a negative. I had some nice looking short logs sawn up a while back and maybe there were 3 less than perfect cant hook handle blanks in the lot along with some acceptable shorter blanks okay for smaller hammers.

There was once a handle blank mill locally and they wouldn't buy stuff that looked anything less than perfect. The black hickories are noted for tiny knots and sapsucker rings along with every other defect know to wood. Well okay, that's an exaggeration.

But of course if you want to spend the time and blades I'd say go for it anyway, all those smaller  sawn up pieces are always good for the smoker or kindling.
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: Don P on June 02, 2024, 05:58:20 PM
I think the spec is no more than 6 rings per inch for tool handle stock.


Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: Al_Smith on June 07, 2024, 05:42:00 PM
Axe and sledge hammer handles ,actually any hammer handle  are not created equally .You want one the rings are lined up with  the tool .About like hitting a baseball with a bat .Look at them sometime when you see a display of them .
Old time carpenters often used those steel handle one piece hammers,Eastwing was one brand  .After a lifetime of that many developed elbow and shoulder problems ,Nothing but the leather washer handle grip to absorb the vibrations  .
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: NCEric on June 10, 2024, 01:25:22 PM
Does everyone else think this tree is even a mockernut hickory?  I wouldn't have even recognized it as a hickory.  I'm pretty sure I could positively identify it (at least as a hickory if not the exact species) in person, but I'm not used to identifying trees based on photos.
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: NCEric on June 10, 2024, 01:39:54 PM
I'm going mainly off the bark, because I can't tell which leaves are coming from the tree, but the leaves I can kind of see in the photo don't even look like they're compound.
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: Don P on June 10, 2024, 07:57:30 PM
The top pic I see compound leaves and "chain link" bark like a poor mockernut... I think. The bottom pic sort stumped me too, I thought chestnut oak but that leaf doesn't look like either. so I ignored it to the picture angle, I'm old and looking at a computer ffcheesy . 
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: NewYankeeSawmill on June 11, 2024, 06:24:03 AM
The leaves in the 2nd pic may not necessarily be from the tree in question.

I may have to have to break the rope out and cut that sucker down this morning and settle the debate! (It's leaning pretty hard over one of my wildflower patches).
ffcheesy
If nothing else I can add it to the firewood pile!
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: NCEric on June 11, 2024, 09:26:48 AM
When you say it's leaning hard is that just the way it grew?  If I had to guess what the tree was based just off the leaves in the first pic, I would guess sourwood, and leaning hard is the typical sourwood form I'm familiar with.  Where are you/is this tree located?  Is that a dead limb coming from the tree in the first pic?  That's more common on sourwoods, too.
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: NewYankeeSawmill on June 11, 2024, 09:44:40 AM
Thanks @NCEric , Tree grew in pretty thick forest. The clearing under it is from the waste-pile the dozer generated clearing a pasture. He just pushed all the stumps into the one section of woods, this is leaning over that. I think it's as much a case of growing that way, as a result of the heavy equipment. 8 Years ago that tree was surrounded by others. Yes, dead branch is part of that tree, one reason I want to take it down.
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: NewYankeeSawmill on June 11, 2024, 11:26:18 AM
I believe @NCEric nailed it. Sourwood. Now I'm just sorry I didn't wait a few more weeks for my bee's to get a lick off it.

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Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: Al_Smith on June 13, 2024, 03:17:01 PM
Good heavens how many different hickories are there ? I know of shag bark ,shell bark and bitter nut which I have all three .Of those they claim bitter nut makes the best lumber because it closely resembles it's second cousin pecan .Then again oaks have many names ,a lot of them I've never heard of before .
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: Magicman on June 13, 2024, 03:38:07 PM
In Mississippi we have 12 Hickories and 36 Oaks.  We only have 6 Pines, 6 Maples, 5 Elms, and 5 Ashes.  All of the other Species fall into the "other" category.   whiteflag_smiley
Title: Re: Mockernut Hickory?
Post by: Al_Smith on June 13, 2024, 06:21:40 PM
As far as oaks locally only three ,white , red and pin .The most is white of which I'd guess I have between 35 and 40 on approx 7.5 acres of woods .Another 7-10 are yard trees,all 100 footers .