A New Hapshire Developer has sent propsal to the municipalty of the residence of Head Justice of the supreme court,,,,to condemn his home to build the .,"Lost Libery Hotel........"
YOU GOTTA LOVE THIS,,,,,,,,,,,,, If its good for the goose its good for the GANDER :D :D :D :D :D
For Release Monday, June 27 to New Hampshire media
For Release Tuesday, June 28 to all other media
Weare, New Hampshire (PRWEB) Could a hotel be built on the land owned by Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter? A new ruling by the Supreme Court which was supported by Justice Souter himself itself might allow it. A private developer is seeking to use this very law to build a hotel on Souter's land.
Justice Souter's vote in the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.
On Monday June 27, Logan Darrow Clements, faxed a request to Chip Meany the code enforcement officer of the Towne of Weare, New Hampshire seeking to start the application process to build a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road. This is the present location of Mr. Souter's home.
Clements, CEO of Freestar Media, LLC, points out that the City of Weare will certainly gain greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road than allowing Mr. Souter to own the land.
The proposed development, called "The Lost Liberty Hotel" will feature the "Just Desserts Café" and include a museum, open to the public, featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America. Instead of a Gideon's Bible each guest will receive a free copy of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged."
Clements indicated that the hotel must be built on this particular piece of land because it is a unique site being the home of someone largely responsible for destroying property rights for all Americans.
"This is not a prank" said Clements, "The Towne of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter we can begin our hotel development."
Clements' plan is to raise investment capital from wealthy pro-liberty investors and draw up architectural plans. These plans would then be used to raise investment capital for the project. Clements hopes that regular customers of the hotel might include supporters of the Institute For Justice and participants in the Free State Project among others
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The only thing that could make that news better, would be if I'd of thunk of it myself!
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I'd like to find that guy and shake his hand!
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This is just too good! I think a dollar an acre should be a fair price for the land don't you think?
Where's them other weasels live? I think a few more hotels would do the nation good.
I hope it's true and it goes through.
Bruce
5 houses for a hotel - Just like the Monopoly game ! ;D
You gotta figure .if ya threw enough CASH at those 5 little Burocrats.....it would seem to them the best thing to do.................
I WOULD contribute to this hotels foundation!!!!
BUT why not leave his HOME intact and as a sort of shrine to his rulings....use it as a revenue producing tourist attraction/bed and breakfast?
Perhaps they could sieze his furniture too?
I know where I'm going on vacation! :D I'll donate!! 8)
This eminent domain issue has to be a politicians dream. The elected officials got just about anything from the developer they wanted, free lunches, dinners, and probably a lot more and now the supreme court gets the blame for their misdeeds and theft of property.
I do not defend the supreme court's decision, but you have to remember their job is only to determine if the city acted within the law, not rewrite the law of the land. The supreme court gets a lot of flack if they try to rewrite laws and not just determine if the laws are within the constitution or if someone acted within the law.
Maybe I'm wrong, but, isn't a Judge's job to ADMINISTER the law and keep the laws from being twisted ??
I think too many Judges rule with EMOTION rather than ADMINISTER the law. >:( >:(
Where do I send my donation? 8) 8) This guy is gutsy and deserves support from all of us who find the Supreme Court's ruling obscene.
Anybody have this guys address ??? Can you imagine the Media's attention, if this guys mailbox is FLOODED with letters of encouragement ??? 8) 8) :D :D
As published on his site.......Dont actually know anything about him other than this good idea.....
Logan Darrow Clements
Freestar Media, LLC
Phone 310-593-4843
logan@freestarmedia.com
http://www.freestarmedia.com
Looks like his web server is getting a workout.
I noticed that too. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Stay tuned for the 6 o'clock News. ;D ;D :D
I REALLY believe IF this or something like it would happen it would do a LOT of good for our nation.
I'am in,
Just what these idiot judges deserve...
Get a legal address for this guy and I'll send a letter to help stuff his mail box... Well if we all send letters it will be delivered in large mail pouches, sure to get plenty of media attention...
Get involved or suffer the consequences, Jerry Moore
This is great 8) What those judges all deserve.
Signed
a landowner...... or am I just paying taxes untill someone with connections wants to build a golf course there ???
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chalk one up to helping out the judges ;D
I sent Logan Darrow Clements an email and told him that he was a true American Hero, and that I would do anything that I could to help him! :)
I mean it too. I think the next step might be writing letters to the Weare, NH fabulous five, encouraging them to do what is best for the community, and in this case, the COUNTRY! :D
You know, my future son-in-law lives in NH. I always liked him, now I think I like him even more. ;D It is about time politicians and judges have to live with their decrees.
For example, if they let a child molester out, I think they need to live next to the judge or his family.
I see they have changed the website already to reflect the fact that people want to invest.
:D :D :D :D now he might just make some money off this thing too ;D
His website had a poll regarding Emminent Domain. A total of 112,269 respones, 98% voted NO to "seize home and buildings for private projects as long as they benefit public good."
I think people were afraid to say yes or he would target their home next... :D
I did some research on this guy.
Logan Darrow Clements Is a political activist whose beliefs are inspired by the author Ayn Rand........basically anti-Big Brother.
He ran for Governor of Calif. and got 274 votes.
Has a web tv show.....seems to be trying to make some noise for the right reasons...........
Ayn Rand is my favorite author ;)
Seriously
Me too. I loved "Anthem"
I am about willing to send in $500 for the project. 8) This guy has "grit"!
AMERICA LIVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
arj
Frank, send him the $500 and he'll have grit AND 500 smackers! ;D It shouldn't cost him anything to get the case started with his councilmen. If he gets past that, I may send him a check too. ;D ;D
I looked at the town web site and all the selectmens emails are posted, from the look of the size of thw town It wouldnt take THAT much cash to entice them ...............
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10677/NH.jpg)
Population (year 2000): 7,776
Males: 3,910 (50.3%), Females: 3,866 (49.7%)
Elevation: 635 feet
County: Hillsborough
Median resident age: 34.1 years
Median household income: $59,924 (year 2000)
Median house value: $123,800 (year 2000)
Now I know what they mean by poetic justice. :) :)
Unfortunately, the selectmen probably won't have the nerve to cooperate with it. Still, it should give Souter some publicity he would rather not have.
One thing with a town that size is vote in a new town con sale :D :D That is two words an't it Con then they sell you out when they get it office >:(
Quote from: Woodcarver on June 28, 2005, 11:59:22 PM
Now I know what they mean by poetic justice. :) :)
Unfortunately, the selectmen probably won't have the nerve to cooperate with it. Still, it should give Souter some publicity he would rather not have.
That town is about 70 miles south of me. Of course the selectmen would never vote for it to happen. I sure would like to be the first guest at that hotel, though. And I am so glad that this thing is getting this kind of publicity. Unfortunately, it will die out in a week or so and something else will catch the fickle public's whimsy and Mr. (in)Justice Souter's scandal will just be a fading memory.
He has been nothing but a huge disappointment since Bush 41 put him where he is. What a dud.
http://www.internetoutland.com/-/SupremeWalmart.jpg
The picture said it all!!! :'( :'( :'(
Yesterday, I sent a copy of the press release that Buzz-sawyer started this thread with to Nancy Saha. The Saha farm is the one that the City of Coatesville tried to condemn for a golf course. She emailed me a thank you and said, "this is priceless"..... she also gave me a website address to sign an online petition to Jim Randleman, U.S.Congress, calling for a Constitutional Amendment to overturn the decision of the Supreme Court....to protect American Citizens from future eminent domain violations.
www.petitiononline.com/5amend/petition.html
My signature is Number 1988.
And mine is 2014 - I may live in Costa Rica but I still care.
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Rodney
You guys aren't going to let a couple of foreigners have all the fun are you? (Actually, not foreigner, still a citizen but I don't have any property up there for someone to steal.)
Just signed in at 2045--must be a slow day for action!
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signed my john henry...2078
It's picking up steam...2114.
-Doug
2120 for me! :)
2131 for me,
Thanks for posting The address...
Jerry
This just in. From Yahoo News, in part
"Souter's two-story colonial farmhouse is assessed at a little more than $100,000 and brought in $2,895 in property taxes last year."
$100,000.00 divided by 30 some acres ??? Sounds VERY do-able to me. ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Do you NH members believe the selectmen would buy in for 1-2 million in tax revenue over say 5 years?
My thinking is , there ARE enough people who dont like this out there worth many BILLIONS of dollars..that they would offer to guarantee revenues ....JUST to see it happen
2198!
I think the guy stands a good chance of getting that hotel. As I stated somewhere else, that decision will rub small land owners the wrong way in NH and there are a lot of them.
In NH, if an elected official says they have to raise taxes to cover increased salaries, it usually means they are trying to be recalled or fired from office.
That em. domain decision will not go over well in the "Live Free or Die" state.
That 3 Stooges line "Dewey Cheatum & Howe" I think will live forever :-D
I have a feeling that the Amer. public is too complacent to realize the problem. It will take some well publisized 'takings' to get a good uprising going. Everyone is just going to think 'well, that can't happen to me' or believe in the integrity of thier local elected officials......which at this point is all we have left to depend on. Obviously the federal gov. doesen't care about the individual or thier rights as originally stated in the Constitution.
I sure hope this goes far enough so that the average landowner sees the threat.And the Supreme court changes thier mind .
I have nto been folowing all of this in the news media areas, but herd this morningthat there are some major developers across the country that have done this same thing to all of those justices and their lands of holding. 8) 8) 8) 8)
i done had to go back and look # 2008 ;D
Well at least here in the Great State of Michigan, em.dom. cannot be used for such a trivial pursuit. There was a story on Fox News of a cabinet shop owner in Detroit that fought the law AND he won!
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I gotta number but dont know what it is. Got it shortly after that lady that posts on Cowboy Bob's computer got her's.
I found it. 2031
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lady that posts on Cowboy Bob's computer
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sorry roxie the devel mad me do it :D :D :D :D :D
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fight for >:( >:( >:(
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Signature #2344. 8) 8)
Just read that the other 4 Judge's properties are being challenged, just like Souters. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I wood really like to know, WHY these Judges are in power for LIFE ?????? El Presidente' only get 8 years, and these Judges get until they DIE >:( >:( >:(
Let's see just how fair these judges are - will they allow applied to their situation the same ruler that they wish to apply to the rest of the USA?
Me thinks that just maybe the Judges just aren't that smart not to see this one coming - and they are the ones deciding what is and isn't just?
supreme court appointees are there for life to make them immune to social and political pressures.
that's why one is grilled pretty heavily before one is approved.
I'm number 2515. Get er done. :D
2532 ;)
iain
They may well have immunity to such things. Wouldn't that be a pile of horse bisquits.
Iain!!! :o ;)
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Just got a CNN mail saying O'Conner resigned.
MSNBC indicates her "retirement", rather than her "resignation." Maybe she's "retiring" out of disgust?
Man that womps!!!
I can't sign the DanG thing!!! sure would like to though.
This whole things sounds like stupid on steroids if ya ask me!!
I just hope one of the developers succeed in taking one of them judges places, just one.................... you listeneing up there? I know we haven''t always done the right thing by what you gave for us all, but I know You can see that this is just plain lunacy??
I'll gladly do what I can to help this guy take Pouter's home & land. Right now I gotta back track & try to sign that petition.
Quote from: OneWithWood on July 01, 2005, 10:25:22 AM
Iain!!! :o ;)
happiness can sometimes be ignorance woodboy ;)
iain
ps roxie you got one
2774 Beautiful, beeauuutiful.
#2791! Who thought these judges were qualified to interpret the constitution. This decision really smells fishey to me, and these fish been laying in the sun for a few days.
Well, I now feel qualified to speak to this issue. I have spent the last couple of hours reading the "Opinions" of the Justices. I know some things I didn't know before, and am even more adamantly opposed to the ruling.
It has been said, over and over, that the more "conservative" viewpoint favored the large corporations and the wealthy, and the "liberals" were for the little guy. HORSE PUCKEY! >:( Go and read Justice Kennedy's "Majority Opinion", then come back and convince me! Justice O'Connor and Justice Thomas were valient in their dissenting opinions, but were outnumbered by the Communists on the court. Justice Thomas was particularly outspoken in his outrage at the usurping of an individual's right to own property, and the giving of that property to a large and very wealthy corporation.
In case you don't know the particulars of the case, the town of New London, Ct has condemned a number of private parcels of land, and the homes on those parcels, in order to give that land to Pfizer Pharmaceuticals, so that they can build a factory there. The properties that are condemned are in good repair and of good reputation, and have been held in the same families for many years....some for over a century! This is prime riverfront property in a downtown location, which is NOT a necessary attribute for a drug manufacturing facility. Justice Souter's homestead would work just fine for this purpose. In one case, the owner of the house was born in that house in 1918, and has lived there with her husband for over 60 years! Other victims have similar, though less dramatic attachments to their homes. None of the homes are considered by anyone to be a "blight upon the landscape."
In order to "satisfy" the requirement for "public use", Pfizer has agreed to build a boardwalk along the river, upon which the members of the public might traipse, should they desire. ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Well, I am number 3394. 8) 8) 8)
DanG, I used to draw a paycheck from that *%$@* company called Pfizer. The Good Lord placed a very loud voice in the back of my head that said, "RUN!" I see nothing virtuous about them. I have seen how they treat people and I am convinced that they will stop at nothing to have their way in any situation. I also see nothing different between Pfizer and Enron. Same type of criminals, different industry. They spend MANY millions of $$$ to influence both sides of the aisles of all three branches of government.
I read the opinions of the Ten Commandments decision and I have a newfound respect for Justice Scalia. He basically said that the majority were, "Blowing smoke." I like that kinda talk.
I knew that, Hawby, and I thought about you when I saw the true scoop on the Supreme Court site. I had thought, from what the news possums said, that the project was going to be a public park or shopping mall that would benefit the local population. I was shocked to find out it would be a factory that could have been located anywhere! I used to work for a big nasty company, too, so I know just how you feel.
They could build it on the toxic dump that The Upjohn Company created for the Super Fund guys at New Haven :-X
:D :D :D :D Sounds like a winner to me! ;D Maybe they could build the crack house...er..drug factory on Souter's place and put him on the toxic waste dump. ;D 8) ;D 8)
Don't get me wrong, drugs are a very cost effective tool in a Drs. arsenal. But I have come to the opinion that the Pharmaceutical industry has become almost as influential as the Military-Industrial complex that Ike warned us about. I do not advocate that we stop making military hardware ( at least the useful platforms), but we need to get these industrial giants under control. McCain-Feingold DID NOT do it. I doubt that anyone in a position of authority will be able to change the influence thing. Just the talk of pulling out of Nam was enuff to get JFK killed.....
I totally agree that we gotta get them under control, but how to do that without destroying the free enterprise system? ???
I have messed about with horses, over the years. I'm not very good at training them, but I have learned a few things. A horse is a big strong animal, and it is hard to push them around physically. You have to make it easier for them to do what you want, than to do anything else. Those big companies are a bit like horses....big, strong, and dumb. Their main focus, like the horse, is the feed bucket. We're gonna have to find a way to guide them down a better path to the bucket. We can't just get rid of the bucket, or the horse will starve. The trick is to make him EARN his time at the bucket. Make it too hard, and he'll jump the fence. Make it too hard on the company, and they'll move overseas. I wish I knew how to make these companies be better citizens. I guess if I did, I'd be rich and famous. ??? ::)
Good example DanG,
In training horses, one of the keys is get to them early and train them that they aren't stronger than you. Then, believe it or not, they never really figure it out again.
Sort of like a dog I once had. When she was a puppy, I had to protect her from a cat we had so that the cat wouldn't kill her. She was a red-tick coon dog. After she got bigger, she actually saved the cat once from a coon - just ran over and grab the coon by the neck and snapped the coon's neck.
But the cat would always boss around the dog. The dog never did figure out that if she could kill something attacking the cat, perhaps she was stronger than the cat.
Not sure how to apply this to big dump companies however... ;) I don't think they are as smart as my dog was.
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way to go ernie 8)
iain
#3655 & #3656.
This run along with the purchase of Open Space Land, in the begining the state & influential people thought it would be great for the state to buy the building rights to farm land to keep it open. Now I'm wondering how long before the state sells the land to someone to build on, and make the state more $$$.
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There is a comic on the web that has been talking about this issue - perhaps then people might actually listen.
LONG URL LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/comics/uclickcomics/20050711/cx_prc_uc/prc20050711;_ylt=AkK8yRS_1s3yZnHzwgmS98yd58IF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)
Now what we really need is to have Doonesbury have Walden's Pond taken over - then it will be news.
I heard on the radio this a.m. that the Texas legislature is working on a bill to prevent the taking of private land for 'questionable' purposes. Hmm...we'll see if/how that pans out.
An Associated Press article in my local paper says Tom Eaton R-Keene has started a task force to" look after the citizens" in the NH state senate
I could not find out more from AP but saw references to senators in Missouri doing the same thing.
Hope something comes of it .
Something may come of it if enough people write their Congressman and Representatives.
I'm not waiting for "them" to do something....I wrote my Congressman, Joe Pitts, and asked him to tell me his plan to stop this outrage. I fully expect an answer...... soon .....
"They" have to hear you, and then "they" understand this won't be tolerated.
Yup! The legislative bodies are the proper venue for this issue. The courts only interpret what the legislatures pass, supposedly. I personally think they overstepped that boundary on this one, but better worded legislation is the best defense for that. The local body, City and County councils, are the place to start. They are closer, so they hear the voice of the people louder, and can act quicker. Of course, we should petition for action at all levels of government.
Makes sense to push it - it should make a really good campaign year issue.
I wrote to both of Iowa's senators, and to President Bush about this. I only heard back from President Bush, and that was a "form letter". ::)
No need to stop trying though, the more letters the better, as far as I am concerned.
Keep up the good work, folks, it is up to us to stop this infringement on our rights.
Where Have I been? Dont know how I missed this thread.
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I think it might have been the title of it. I was so *pithed over the decision that I didnt want to read a thing about it. Guessed I should have read past the first few words.
Sorry Buzz!
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Patty,
Did the form letter from President Bush say if he was in agreement with, or opposed to, the decision?
-Doug
(Not that there is any relationship between the eminent domain decision and post peak oil planning! ;D )
Neither Doug, it just said "thanks for your email, etc. " it was just an automated email response like the ones you get from any company.
Oh, by the way, oil closed today at around $57 and change. ;D
Well things are heating up. This mess won't be forgotten soon!!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/seizing_property_3
This morning on the news I heard the city of Daytona is going to use the new eminent domain status to force a bunch of businesses off the boardwalk so they can hand the land over to a major Las Vegas developer.
Any of you Fla boys know anything about this?
Ain't heard nuthin.
This may be a couple of days old but I thought it worth posting the link.
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=57954
I was cruising in the pickup this week and took a moment to drive by the place. Seems funny with all of this media attention to have this place a couple of miles away - on the way to the dump :D
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Think I`ll take a drive by the future site of the LOST LIBERTY HOTEL today. :D on the way back from the dump.
As EDK said it is only a couple miles from my place.
Lenny Weare N.H.
Should I knock on the door and ask for directions for the LOST LIBERTY HOTEL ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is starting to happen here a lot now
with more than a lot being pushed through by the government >:(
and being followed close by big supermarkets
iain
4252 as of now .
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In our St Louis area......EVERY week some smallish municipality is condeming peoples homes to put in a home depot or walmart...or even a stupid little strip mall........THEY ARE definitely taking advantage of this MAD law here :( smiley_angry smiley_angry smiley_angry
No need to fatten up Weare`s fabulous five. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The fate of the judge`s place is going on the ballot and the people of Weare will vote, Not the selectmen. ;D ;D ;D
Same as what happened to the cheif of police in Weare. (bad guy) hired by the selectmen. Always in the news for not so good reasons.
Went on the Ballot, Should the position of cheif be elected or appointed by the selectmen. the town voted ELECTED. ;D Then we voted in a new chief, and he is doing a good job.
One of the selectmen said (on the town cable channel) "The people of the town of Weare arn`t companant enough to elect a cheif" :o
He got plenty of calls and E-mail by some not so impressed people.
I got a eye-deer he won't be selected next time. ;D A real head for politics, that boy's got! :D :D :D :D
We got one of those commie inspired county boards in LaSalle county . 3years ago the landowners put an advisory vote on the ballot to stop county wide zoneing . Because it was too restrictive and costly to a cash strapped county. Won with 80% not wanting zoneing. But the board chairman said that the people of the county don't know what is best for the county and is trying to push in zoneing through the back door .
This time around the ballot is for the board chair to be elected not appointed or selected by board members.
A Petition was filed Jan. 10th
www.natural-rights.org
Lenny
Way to go Weare citizinary 8) 8) 8)
that kind of thing is starting to gain ground here (the land grabbing) >:(
iain
In our litlle county...we voted down a reforendum to build a fancy new 20 million dollar high school......
so the crooked school board weaseled the system, taking ponters from other couty government and went around the people to get the newish current high school condemned...........after 3 engineers certified it as excellent!!!
Now we can look forward to a 4-5% tax increase annually for 20 years....for nothing!!!
Sorry to hear that , Buzz. Our town did about the same thing. They must have been planning it for quite a while cause the new road that goes by where the new shcool will be has extra lanes.
My real estate taxes in that town , now, cost more than what my mortage did 20 years ago :o
Buzz is there any way that you can sue them and recover the money that they squandered . They are public officials and are suposed to be doing what is ni the best interest of the comunity If the comunity said NO then they have a mandate to also say no. Sell their property to cover any cost that can be covered . Garnish their wages ,pentions 401ks what ever . It is time for thais crap to stop.
The Idiots that run the school board in Streator wanted to build a new campus on 40 acres north of town. Because Mendota did it and then the football feild would not be three blocks from the school . They didn't have 40 acres nor the money to purchase and build a school .
The next plan was to tear down a good old school building and replace with a new overpriced cheep building , People were still pizzed with that . so they settled on tearing out some of the class rooms to make an outdoor classroom (That will never be used, Too cold too hot too windy its buggy Its raining ,snowing etc) Big waste of money. They need ed more class rooms so raze what you have hual it too the dump , then bring in fill compact and plant grass then build more ? makes cense? The dig up your parking lot for the new addition.
The way they got a big new school here was to run a bond issue for a huge amount of money. First time it got voted down, they ran it again a year latter, got voted down less that time, year later they ran it again. This time they sent flyers home with the kids telling us why we needed to vote for it. I was hot they used school money and supplies to do that, calls were not answered as to why they could do that. Next year people forgot about it and they ran it through with mostly teachers and supporters remembering to vote. Tore down a perfectly good school that they had run down with a lack of upkeep. The new one is huge but built poorly, our school tax is one of the highest in the state to pay for it.
That is what they did here , quit maintaining the better built old building so that they could tell people that it was in disrepair and would cost way too much to repair . So then it should be torn dow and a new one built. The old building has some style and caricter that the new box has none of.
THIS is TRUE: 12 February 2006 Copyright http://www.thisistrue.com
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SHELL GAME: In 2005, the City of Los Angeles, Calif., seized some private
land by eminent domain to build an animal shelter. The furniture
factory that was there for 20 years was "thriving," said the firm. It
cost the city $5.8 million to buy them out. But after just a year, the
city announced it wants to build the shelter somewhere else, so it's
going to sell the property even though the switch will add $5-11
million to its cost. And who is buying the land? A furniture
manufacturer -- not the same one, but another company that has
contributed $17,600 to city politicians. The expensive new deal is
better, says City Councilman Bernard Parks. The area is "one of the
last inner-city industrial areas, and so we are trying to ensure that
it continues to develop," he says, while "the original proposal impairs
the growth of a major economic development." Parks' election committee
received a $1,000 contribution from the company trying to buy the
property. (Los Angeles Times) ...The surprising thing isn't how easily
politicians can be bought, but rather how low their price is.
this is from the free subsription of this is true, we're getting a lot more of this coming into the open over hear
iain
Here in MS we have 2 bills introduced concerning Eminent Domain;
1. If land was obtained by E.D. 15 years or more ago and not used, the landowner can buy it back at the price it was sold.
2. The other Bill is to block the supreme court ruling
Tony 8)
In the St Louis metro area....small municipalities are siezing private homes like CRAZY as speculators are comming forward with multitudes of hair brained plannes....all the politicos see are $$$$$$$$$
A recent deal has many people facing ruin....the developer failed to come through with financing backing out on scores of closings...with people having bought new homes already....costing the innocent home owners fortunes and many nights of lost sleep and worry....all for a new mall!!!!!!
THIS is our ruin! >:(
If it were me i would get rid of this way of getting the land.
If you want the land than you should buy the land from the owners.
Thanks Mr Mom
Most people don't complain too much about eminent domain that is used for public works projects. I have seen some areas where eminent domain was used to take homes and farms to turn them into state parks, which I didn't think was quite right.
But, now the legislature has come up with eminent domain being used for "blighted" areas. The only problem is that bureaucrats are the ones who are deciding which areas are blighted. The loophole still remains.
It is a bit shady, isn't it Ron? Kinda like telling a fella that his sister is ugly.
They have been fighting over a dredging project on Mill Creek in this county to keep the feilds of a couple of farmers from flooding. They wanted to do a full dredge project that included a major portion that has never been dedged. The Michigan EPA voted no so now they just want to take out the high spots in an half mile that was not dredged. They told the owners that if they did not give the right of way they would use em dom. Some of the owners are willing to let them dredge but without a permanent ROW. They say that is not acceptable and the county is sueing for the permanent ROW. ::)
Farmerdoug
If some of us tried these things as lay citiizens, we would be jailed for theft. :'( Hwever, if we are appointed or elected we can get away with such communistic behavior. >:(
I trully hope that it goes through, It would be nice to see the tables turned for once. Several years ago I owned a home on Eleven Point river, the people voted in the positive for a water shed project along 22 miles of the river, It was proposed by the department of agriculture. It was a great plan, It would have let the river grow back up into its natural state 50 feet on each side of the river, except for designated areas. The dept of Agriculture then turned it over to the forest service which imeadiatly changed everything into a tourist area. To make a long story short and save rehashing old memories, they took my home to make a road to a canoe landing. Once your land is condemed for eminate domain, anything can happen. They have a bevy of lawyers that are on salery and they have time on their side. If you choose to fight them, they will wear you out in court.
They condemed my property for public use and put $21000.00 in the bank, their estimate of the worth of my property. It was a 3 bedroom house with a full basement, 320 yards from the river, just above flood stage, it sat on 1.7 acres of river bottom land. I still owed $17,000 on it, oh and by the way they were generous enough to send me a $2000 check for relocation. Sorry but I still harbor some hostility. When I see some federal dude get bit by the same bug, I can't help but chuckle.
SkyTramp;
Alaska, I knew I loved that state 8)
http://www.nfib.com/object/IO_26244.html
One of the suburbs of St Louis Sunset hills.....has been devistated by hairbrained land grabs...which have caused untold personal hardships for life long residents........well election time came around and guess what????
The people cleaned house!!!ALL the aldermen and the mayor are gone....they voted in a strong anti..eminent domain government finally some good news!!
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What Corley 5 said
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