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Title: Porch beams
Post by: Bothy_Loon on October 26, 2005, 03:01:27 PM
 
Tom has been giving me some advice on putting pics on the forum. Hope this works!
The pic is of porch beams I cut a while back from Larch. sawn on a Lumbermate mk4 to 12ft x 8x 8 inches with a 2 inch champher on each corner.
Never did get paid for my efforts
Bothy Loon(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11431/Porch%20beams.jpg)
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: Tom on October 26, 2005, 03:54:58 PM
Excellant!

The only think that could be done better is have the url be left justified on its own line.   It makes the post easier to read. :)

Chamfering the corners of the posts can be a real job.  Did you have much problem finding how to make them all the same width?
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on October 26, 2005, 04:37:44 PM
Nice efforts   loon


iain
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: CHARLIE on October 26, 2005, 06:29:52 PM
Way to go Tom!  There you go with your computereze........not everyone knows what a URL is.   ;D    Programmers used to do that stuff to me all the time.  :)  Oh.....before I forget Big Brother, thanks for helping Bothy_Loon out with the pictures. :)

Bothy_Loon, you told me about those porch beams before but I had never seen them. That's a fine piece of sawing! Now, I'm looking at the bearutiful grain and color in that Larch wood and thinking what some bowls would look like.  ;D
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: Tom on October 26, 2005, 08:48:29 PM
Didn't have to do much, Charlie.   I just pointed him to "Behind the Forum" and he took it from there.   Pretty smart lad, eh?

Url is the fellow that off-loaded the sawmill after you left.  He liked peas. ;D
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: Bothy_Loon on October 26, 2005, 11:11:41 PM
Charlie
Me thinks Tom is too modest! It took me a wee while to get there but he was a great help.
The champhering was easy.
I made a V block in two pieces of 5x5 set them on the bolsters & the set the saw height. Keep the saw at the same height & turn the block after each cut & it works fine.
Over the years ( 40 next year in sawing) I have been fortunate in learning a lot of tricks from the old timers. For which I am very grateful.
Had a couple of 40foot Douglas dropped off at work the other day. This is for more work for the Reaper. Now that Tom has got it into my wooden head I will post some pics when I get the sawing done. Cannot do it just now as power to the Forestor is disconnected due to us having a new transformer fitted to give more power to our two new bandmills.
Bothy 
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: twoodward15 on October 27, 2005, 08:07:19 AM
hey, if you've been in it for 40 years you ARE one of the old timers!!  Pretty soon you'll be teaching everything you know to one of the youngsters and they can start that cycle again.  Nice posts by the way. ;)
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: Bothy_Loon on October 27, 2005, 01:47:54 PM
Wish I could find the right kind of person to pass it on to!
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 27, 2005, 01:58:48 PM
I to, have to add that you did a good job on the posts. I also like the look of the European Larch grain. I bet there are some wide growth rings. ;D
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on October 27, 2005, 02:26:34 PM
The grain is wide, with lots of reds and greens, good swirly grain at the top of the tree




iain
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on October 28, 2005, 06:06:15 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10958/PICT3186-1.JPG)


Heres some fast grown euro larch


iain
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: redpowerd on October 28, 2005, 09:26:17 AM
iain, do you have any more pics of how that banister is assembled? ive been collecting some bent limbs for mine, but yours looks easier to assemble and much less time consuming. i have about 100 feet of bannister to build, and have been wracking the brain trying to figger out how to make it all match easily. i really like the looks of yours and it just took a load off my mind.
thanks
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: Jeff on October 28, 2005, 09:26:32 AM
Now thats a rail!
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: pappy on October 28, 2005, 09:40:55 AM
I just found what I'm gonna use for my back deck rail  8)

like redpowerd said " do you have any more pics of how that banister is assembled?" or maybe different angles

Thanks iain

as Kate says OK pap  ;)
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on October 28, 2005, 12:08:48 PM
Thank you

i'll load some more pics its real quick (for me )
to do


iain
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on October 28, 2005, 02:28:47 PM
Er yah goclick on my gallery down on the lower left for the pics
i'll have a look through in a bit
and do the writing fir ya

Roxie i got to go and hang the laundry out (THANKS A BUNCH)



IAIN >:( :(
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: Bothy_Loon on October 28, 2005, 02:39:01 PM
Wish I had a stair in my house. I would love to copy your bannister.
Bothy
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: Bothy_Loon on October 28, 2005, 03:15:18 PM
This is one of the original Atholl Larch
Bet you could get lots of bannisters from this one Iain.
I milled it a few years back & have kept some to make a seat for outside the office of the mill at Lockerbie.
I will dig the planks out soon & you will be surprised at the colour. I counted the rings & gave up around 270 as they were so close together. The tin of marker paint is about 8inches high.
Bothy
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11431/Granny%20Larch.jpg)
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on October 28, 2005, 03:31:53 PM
I've seen some of them larch's
they is big boys
i've seen the big ones on Isla road (A93) on the way out of Perth biggest i ever seen

iain
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 28, 2005, 03:45:09 PM
Our tamarack (eastern larch) will grow limbs almost as long as the tree height and for some reason if they grow up in fields they can be the most crooked tree you ever laid eyes on. I planted about 3500 (I think) on some of my wetter ground (they'll grow on top of water I think) and in 5 years they are as tall as 10 year old spruce. :D
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on October 28, 2005, 04:12:15 PM
If the larch has had access to side light i can make a fantastic looking and awsome sounding digi


     iain
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: pappy on October 29, 2005, 09:53:02 AM
 iain,

thank you.. the pics give me a better insight ;D
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: redpowerd on November 04, 2005, 05:10:28 AM
yes, thanks iain. what did you use to cut the joinery?
thanks again!
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on November 07, 2005, 02:56:13 PM
Sand the saw marks off

lay them out as you want them,
shape the upright tops first (taking into account any interesting grain knots etc in the top rail)
lay them out again and trim the sides if you want
mark the top rail with a fat felt pen,
them rout them out free hand with a VERY sharp cutter and take the felt line off
check the fit, then do the some with the bottom rail thingy (a bit of pro speak there for you)

i then carve and sand with an arbotech cutter and sand 80g/180g/240g in that order then random orbit with 180g round over the edges as you go with the sanding not a round over bit (its to even)

i assemble on site and mix up either West system  or SP system epoxy with plain flour to the consistancy of tooth paste
apply very carefully to the back of an upright and either spring or speed clamp till quite firm and you can carve the epoxy to suite your shaping (dont wait till it goes hard)

if you cant work messy on site make an exact mock up off the the walls in your work shop to get the angles and the LOOK right

most important is to take your time in wood shape selection

i'll look for the tools i use here in America and post a link or two



iain
Title: Re: Porch beams
Post by: iain on November 07, 2005, 03:11:15 PM
http://www.arbortech.com.au/productinfo/indkit.html

http://www.toolshopdirect.co.uk/handtool/product/B%2fDX32365

these are the carving and sanding tools i use

i have found that the b&d drum is the best and longest lasting
but shop for your belts
Klingspur are good on low grits and Hermes on the higher grades
a latex cleaning stick will make them last a long time
and to spin them i use a Bosch 850 2 ret drill with the side handle on
and on the highest speed
eye ear and nose protection are VERY high on your list with these things

ask for any more info / help



iain