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General Forestry => Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. => Topic started by: SwampDonkey on November 23, 2006, 09:17:10 PM

Title: Pine Drops
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 23, 2006, 09:17:10 PM
Now there's a name for ya. Here's a link to some pictures from USDA

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=PTAN2

Here is some info about it in New Brunswick, where it is endangered.

http://www.gnb.ca/0078/fw/species/pdf/pinedrops.pdf

That plant actually lives off white pine and hemlock roots with the aid of a special fungus in the soil.
Title: Re: Pine Drops
Post by: rpg52 on November 29, 2006, 09:00:01 PM
These are fairly common under conifers here in the Sierras.  It has always been a puzzle to me what the relationship is between these plants and the trees/fungi.  Apparently some of these plants contribute growth factors (hormones?) that help the trees.  Interesting relationship.
Ray
Title: Re: Pine Drops
Post by: Phorester on November 30, 2006, 12:32:56 AM

We have something similiar to that down here called squawroot.

http://www.mwrop.org/W_Needham/Squawroot_040620.htm

It grows on oak roots. People see it and think their oak roots are rotting.  The wetter the spring, the more you see in the woods.  It's a favorite food of black bears here.
Title: Re: Pine Drops
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 30, 2006, 06:22:00 AM
Was just reading down through that link Phorester and it's amazing when you think about it....the ability of a plant to find an alternative method to obtain nurishment and have it's offspring capable of doing the same. I know a lot of it is luck since their successful germination depends on outside factors like wind, available moister, and suitable host near by. But, then again a lot of this survival thing is based on luck whether your a carrot or a rabbit.  :D
Title: Re: Pine Drops
Post by: solodan on November 30, 2006, 11:32:25 AM
Here is another one that lacks chlorophyll. This one is saprophytic and lives off organic matter in the soil.

Snow Plant (http://www.life.umd.edu/emeritus/reveal/pbio/RevealSlides/ericsarsan.html)

Though everything you read about them state that they are uncommon, they seem to be very evident to anyone stoping and taking a walk in the Sierra during early summer just after the snow melts.
Title: Re: Pine Drops
Post by: rpg52 on November 30, 2006, 01:12:01 PM
There are at least 3 different plant families (here in N. America, likely more elsewhere) that have members without chlorophyll.  Pinedrops and Snowplant are either in the Ericaceae or in a closely related sub-family Monotropaceae.  They and most all the Ericaceae have an obligate mycorrhiza (fungus-root) relationship with soil fungi.  This is also true of most of the Orchids, of which there are a number of non-chlorophyll examples (the Ghost Orchid is a local species here in the Sierras)
In contrast, members of the Orobanchaceae, like the species Phorester mentioned, seem to be direct root parasites. 
All of them are interesting, at least partially because they only appear for a short time above ground, when they flower.  What are they doing the rest of the year?  A great example of what we humans don't yet understand about the natural world.
Ray
Title: Re: Pine Drops
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 30, 2006, 01:34:47 PM
A common one around here is ghostly white Indian pipe (http://www.rook.org/earl/bwca/nature/herbs/monotropa.html)
Title: Re: Pine Drops
Post by: Phorester on December 01, 2006, 12:18:13 PM

Yeah, we have indian pipe in VA too.  Not all that plentiful, but I've seen a few over the years.