What are your experiences? Brand preferences, etc?
I've been wearing Justin's for the past few years, and they're ok, but this past year my feet have started hurting at the end of the day - especially when I'm picking up and moving heavy items on the farm.
So, I'm wondering about what other brands to check out. I prefer a mid-top boot versus a sneaker for working around the farm - less chance of water or mud (or welding slag) getting in the shoe.
I used to wear the Redwing loggers boots, but found the Justin's more comfortable.
A friend of mine (Marine Major) swears by Danner's for all of his hiking and combat needs. I'm not sure if they are available in steel toes though.
What's your advice and experiences? Thanks.
Scott
I have to wear Red Wing. Just cannot find day long comfort in any others. Might take a week to break them in, but once you do, they fit like they are meant to.
Red Wing and Rocky boots get my vote. :)
I've worn redwings for years, I tear them up in about a year to 18 months. I destroy the leather over the steel toe, and if that doesn't happen, the leather just breaks down. I don't attempt to "take care of them" at all.
all of that said, I find the soles overly hard, but i've never bothered to try to put inserts in them.
I've been buying Redwings as well (The Worx w/ the metatarsil guards).
The first pair broke in on the second day and felt very comfortable until they ran afoul the one thing they weren't rated for:
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My father's dog. :D
I hope your foot wasn't in it at the time. :o
I wear justin boots.
I have Rockies right now, but the most comfortable boot I ever had, but could not find it in a size 13 again, were CAT boots. I wear a 12 normally, but the CAT boots seemed to be sized different and the 13 was perfect. A pair of boots in a sawbooth lasts a long time, but comfort is still a big issue when you are running foot controls all day long.
I have tried many different brands through the years working mostly industrial maintenance, and redwing by far are the longest lasting and best quality that I have found. The leather over the steel toes even lasts at least double most other brands I have tried. Now comfort is another story. Sometimes you can find boots that are more comfy but they don't last long, and they are comforthable for a shorter period of time as they brake down sooner.
Thanks all for the feedback so far.
Right now, I'm after comfort as well as toughness. Some nights (or following mornings), my feet ache so much I have to really grab the handrails going up/down the stairs. This doesn't happen to me when I wear comfortable sneakers all day (and am not doing heavy lifting).
I don't like the idea of working in sneakers though - just not enough protection.
Raphael, those "Worx" Redwings in your photo look like they have a sole made of sponogy rubber, instead of hard rubber. Are my eyes deceiving me?
I recommend Red Wing as well. Dad used them for years and I've bought a couple pair in the last 10 years, and none other except logger safety boots for thinning (talk about kill your toes ::) ).
Quote from: scsmith42 on December 31, 2006, 11:02:46 AM
Raphael, those "Worx" Redwings in your photo look like they have a sole made of sponogy rubber, instead of hard rubber. Are my eyes deceiving me?
It's got all the characteristics of a spongy (porous) rubber but it's still pretty DanG hard, excellent grip.
I have no problems with shock from walking but the weight will get to you, their model with the internal metatarsil guards are lighter but I figured they'd be stiffer and colder. I think they sell the exact same shoe with out the guard.
I wear a wellington style boot normally. I bought a pair from the iron age trailer in the parking lot at work this time. They are double H brand. These are more like a cowboy boot with a heal on them. Once I got them broken in I was fine but it took awhile. The other brand I wear is Georgia. They seem to last me about 6-9 months but that is normal for most of us at the mill. My boots are wet about half the day and it rots the seems from the bottoms.
A soaking with neatsfoot oil every once in a while will extend their longivity 3 or 4 times.
Redwings bootoil is good, it has a bit of wax in it, I think.
I use a 1" paint brush and make sure that I get all of the seams wet.
I usually buy redwing. But then I have only had one or two pair of boots that actually felt good on my feet. I usually have to special order mine, cause the size is odd. 12eeeee
Pawnature,
I was confused with a pair I brought home from Red Wing that were sized 10 H.
I called them to find out what an H is. They said it just keeps them from having to put all those E's on the box. :D :D
I found that out to when I order a pair. I forgot how many Es an H stood for.
I've found that it's getting harder to find a Redwing store with the same customer service as they had 5 years ago. Now they are getting more into a "self-service" and want you to pick out what you want from the shelf.
They were once noted for their attention to detail and the salesman's concern that he sold you something that would fit and do the job. It wasn't unusual to have them offer to build different sized boots if you had different measurements on each foot. Now you have to ask to get your foot measured.
We have a store where the salesman walked out. (my store) Now it is, what they call a clearing store. They sell returns and old models, etc. There is a staff of about 4 or 5, but you would never know it. They do a good job of hiding amongst the customers or are gabbing behind the counter.
The last pair I bought, the salesman asked what size, went to the back and came out with a box, handed it to me and sat back down behind the counter.
That's a long way from what I had become accustomed.
Scott,
No one has mentioned them, But Wolverine DuraShocks seem to work for me. I perfer the ones with no "Norweigen" welt sticking out the sides, just flush right into the sole from the leather (one less thing to create mass and trip over). I have also tried another American made brand that escapes me (bought them in Amish country)but they were not steel toed but were VERY comfy, I wore them out quickly due to their comfort. It Secondly, I have found THE best CHEAP insoles are Enersoles from Walmart. I am 230-235 lbs. and on my feet ALL day. The insoles are 10 bucks and as good as any up to the $50 dollar ones I have tried.
Reid
I silicone my red wings. They are Gortex and have not been compromised yet. The last pair, same brand would get wet easy. They must have done an improvement. I've found that most Gortex garments I've had are never dry for too long. I've paid all prices. I had a $300 pair of Canadian made work boots a few years back, no name stamped on them, but the soles where so hard I couldn't stand up on frozen ground with them. To walk on a forest road in winter was like a cow on ice. I do remember a CSA label marked on them was all. That don't mean a lot since it's an industry standard, often government approved, but nothing more than a lobby group stamp. ::)
I guess I'm kinda odd-ball in more ways than one. The only work boots I can find that are comfortable and last reasonably well are made by Georgia Boot. Local co-op is the only place within 100 miles that carries them.
I'm on the other side of that, Tom. I have worn the same size and style shoe for years, i'd love to be able to order a set of redwing 2233's in size 11D and have them show up at my doorstep in a few days. I hate going to the store and dealing with salesmen when I know what I want. I'd rather spend my free time loafing!
hey all,
my fovorite boot is made in spokane washington by white's boots. I don't use the steel toe, not sure if they make one. I use the 10" black smoke jumper. they are a bear to break in but very rugged and durable. The first pair I bought lasted me for 6 fire seasons, before they wore out. the pair I currently have I've had for 8 years and they are still fine, I don't ware them on an every day basis now so they'll last for ever I think.
here is the link, they also do custom sizes...They used to be hand crafted in spokane it looks as though they have grown since then
http://www.whitesoutdoor.com
I have a pair of Georgia boots that are Ok and a almost new pair of Carolina boots with the metatarsil guard that are very comfortable.
I have new rubber logging boots this winter made by Viking. Not insulated. But I finally found steel toe pack boots for if it ever gets cold.
EDit: I thought they were both Georgia ...you can understand my confusion !!!
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I'm pretty much the Imelda Marcos of work boots ;D Between fallen arches and bunions my feet have bothered me alot.
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Personally I don't wear steel toed boots anymore because of a number of reasons. Steel toed boots are cold and they are not very good if working around electricity. I also find the steel in the toes adds considerable weight to the boots which is unneeded especially for those like me who have back problems. Wearing steel toed boots I can only last about 2 hours maximum walking on cement floors. When I put on a pair of carbon fibers I can usually last upwards to 6 hours. Now 6 hours for me is a pretty long shift and I am usually done for the day by then. The brand of choice I found to work the best for me is J.B. Goodhue with the thinsulate and carbon fibers. I also buy the tallest boot I can because of the needed ankle support.
when I buy my own I prefer Wolverine Durashocks. I get most of my boots free from work these days and they are red wings. I prefer slip on but wear lace ups a good bit now days for the support. LeeB
I also don't wear steel tips. I'm DanG glad I don't. I got my foot caught in a log splitter a good number of years ago. It was a production firewood processor with few safety guards. Anyways, it tore the tip off my boot and one toe. With steel tips, it would have cut all the toes off.
I do try to buy Redwings, since they seem to outlast any other pair I buy. Dollar for dollar, its a better buy than cheap boots. They also make them in wide widths.
My boots aren't steel toe either. Only place I seen no steel toe in the boots was Walmart. The shoe store has all steel toe. I get my Red Wings in Maine. Steel toe would freeze my feet, and wears the toe of the boot off quicker.
Whites boots or Hathornes are both excellent. Yeah they're pricey but they support your foot like no other boot on the market, which I feel makes a huge difference at the end of the day,i.e. Feet are not as tired, lower back not as stiff, hips not as sore and so on.
They have an option on there boots it's called a Celastic toe box, it's a $20 option and I think it is cut resistant, I don't know what it's made of, but sounds like a good option and warmer than steel toes.
Mark
I haven't had problems with my feet getting cold. I've had to wear them for the last 16 years and don't notice them anymore. I just went over and looked and I don't have a pair of boots that aren't steel toes.
Steel toe boots have saved my toes, so, I wear steel toe boots 8)
I have been buying Bates combat boots because they feel so good and my feet no longer hurt at the end of the day. Though the rubber is really soft and I wear through the sole well before the rest of the boot is even worn in. Comfort has its price :D
I find the zipper nice and handy, especially for making quick trips for firewood or removing my muddy boots to go into a customer's house.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=121772
Noteable track record. Since 1885, Bates® has supplied the U.S. military, U.S. Postal Service and Civil Service workers with top footwear. And these babies are no exception.
Quality YKK® side zipper for easy on / off
Breathable full-grain leather and nylon uppers
ANSI 75 steel toe rating
Moisture-wicking Cambrelle® lining
Comfort-padded tongue and collar
Padded insoles absorb shock
Heel, toe counters plus a sturdy steel shank for added stability
Non-slip rubber lug outsole
Each stands 9" tall and weighs 29 ozs.
I have a pair of Hard Yakka Workboots, I bought from K-Mart for $70, they're steel toed and so comfy!
I have bought a pair of orthotic insoles (2/3 length, cost $22.50). So, for, under $100AUD I have a great pair of boots which are really comfy to wear.
I wear a Mens size 10 (european 45) so that's far too large for any ladies' boots made :( But I find these really nice. Not heavy, and can work a full day on a house site, no problems.
Of course, I can't say what they're like in snow, coz short of putting my feet in the freezer, there ain't any here!
Here's a pic... http://www.yakka.com.au/Catalogue.asp?Product=316
asy :D
I had a real nasty experience with a cheapo pair of K-Mart steelies a very long time ago.
I don't think they had any sort of certification, the toe cap was brittle cast steel. I wound up slipping and wedging in a rock chimney with a shard of toecap imbedded in my big toe. The Worx boots are the first steel toed boots I've purchased in over 20 years...
My winter boots are amazing, my grandparents purchased them for me for my 16th birthday, they are Vasque "Skywalks" and cost the outrageous sum of $33 (with tax). They are a tough gortex that still looks almost new, the original plastic lace loops have been replaced with brass and there is still tread left under the ball of the foot... Not bad for 28 year old boots.
I'm in the market for lighter shop shoes that will also stand up to the business end of a framing chisel. Would carbon fiber resist shearing?
What wears out leather boots in my case is walking on semi wet ground, and stepping through brush and weeds. That is always scraping your boots and wearing at them. If you walk on level ground or around a site prepared for building it's a lot easier on the leather. Now some construction sites can be just about as bad if it's muddy or there is field stone and wood pieces to walk through around the yard, something abrasive on the leather and poking in the area between the sole and the leather sides. Can tear the stitching. Crawling around on a shingled roof can wear to, it's like sand paper obviously. But, I'm going out on a limb and say woods walking is the hardest on boots. Of course that could be debated. :D Them logger boots sure don't last long if wading and cutting brush for a summer. ;)
i have worn every kind/brand of boot mentioned here. and i have had good luck wwith most of them. the last couple of years i have taken to rockys. i have a lace up pair that have 800 grams of thinsulate and i havea pull on pair that are the best if its not too cold out, say down to 32 or so. all of them steel toe.
i own one pair of sneakers for fishing or going to the movies. if i wear them any place else i hurt myself. i get one pair of new boots each march from work. i have several that have never been out of the box. we also get a pair of climbing boots every other year, mostely westcos, and it is hard to wear those out.
All - very good feedback across the board - I really appreciate it.
Re steel toe versus non-steel toe, for most of the year the weather on the farm is not cold enough for steel toes to cause a problem. When it does get that cold, I have a pair of Baffin's that really keep my feet toasty.
When I was 16 I one of my toes got crushed by an engine head in a machine shop. It's never recovered, and I've been a big believer in steel toes ever since. I've only had one bad steel toe experience, and that was in Fargo, ND in January of '91. I was called in to weld up a split in a pipe leg at the top of a 1000' guyed TV tower, and was riding the winch line up the tower with a portable generator and welding tanks hanging underneath me. As we got close to the top of the tower, I kept having to "kick off" the side of the tower to keep the gear away (couldn't tag it out from the ground at the upper heights). Near the top, my foot slipped on the snow on the tower and one of the steel toes on my boot got caught betwen a couple of angle inner members. Hmm, winch line pulling me up, tower wasn't going to move, and old Scott started stretching like Gumby! By the time that the winch operator got the load stopped, the boot had sliced almost in two right behind the steel toe. It was a pair of Redwing boots, and I had them repaired and used them for 4 more years. Seems like my body was tougher (and lighter) then!
I'll check out some of the brands listed in this string that offer the soft, cushioned soles. I'm to the point of giving up some durability so I can walk straight in the morning! :D
I've worn Redwing uninsulated vibram soled steeltoed loggers for probably 10 years, gone through 3 pair. The last pair I got, I switched to their firefighter boot, also steeltoed. Also have another Redwing pair, can't remember the style number, but they are smooth soled, also steeltoed. All styles have served me well. I do a lot of mountain walking and also forest fires and prescribed burns where I'm occasionally walking through hot coals. I take good care of'em, waterproofing often. I also have 2 pair and will switch off if one pair has gotten soaked from snow or water or if I have sweated a lot in one pair. I wear a D width, which equates to a medium in today's size charts. No foot problems. I also wear two pairs of socks even in summer. A light cotton pair next to my foot then a heavier pair over that. The boots fit good and with the extra cushioning effect of two socks they are nice and comfy for me.
From what I understand, the USFS doesn't allow steeltoed boots on the fireline, but I have never found any USFS person who can tell me why. I've heard a couple explanations, but they don't make sense.
> the USFS doesn't allow steeltoed boots on the fireline, but I have never found
> any USFS person who can tell me why.
I think because the steel toe is retains the radiated heat, has no insulating barrier between your foot and itself like the sole, and no way to drain the heat, and most important does not have an effective barrier between it and the outside heat source.
Metal transfers heat very well and I think the concern is it will rapidly transfer heat from the outside source (only a thin layer of leather between it and a fire) to the inside of the boot before you can cool the boot off or remove it.
What I have noticed when feeding my wood stove is a metal anything under your shirt feels much hotter then the fabric on top of it.
Quote from: rebocardo on January 03, 2007, 03:14:12 PM
...............What I have noticed when feeding my wood stove is a metal anything under your shirt feels much hotter then the fabric on top of it.
Rebo, Just how
do you feed your wood stove ???
SC,
I don't know if Red Wing makes a steel toe version of their model 606, but it is the most comfortable boot I have ever worn. The sole is quite soft and admittidly does not last like the normal RW sole. I have had two pair of the 606 resoled in the standard RW sole, but I still like the fit of them.
Tom - thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to check these out along with the others.
Scott
RECARBO, I haven't been on the huge western fires with those 200-300 foot tall flames. But I have been on fires standing on the fireline within 50 feet of 50-75 foot flame fronts. No problem with my steel toed boots. The metal toe might conduct heat, but I would also think it would reflect heat, at least when the boot first starts heating up.
I've read dozens of fire accident reports where the firefighter sufferd horrible burns on hands, face, airway, etc. None of them ever mention burns on their feet. This leads me to believe that the all-leather boot is a good heat insulator. I would think that by the time a leather boot heated up to be uncomfortable, steel-toed or not, the firefighter would have long been in deep do-do and hot feet would be the least of his/her problems.
I've heard other explanations of this regulation and they just don't sound logical. I've pressed a couple of FS fellows on it. After they look it up, they say, well, it doesn't explain why, just that we should not wear them. I'm just wondering if some USFS burearcrat years ago decided on a whim to make this regulation, with no real thought put into it.
Do the firefighters have to wear kevlar or some other sort of toe protection?
you could be right, someone hated to wear steel toes, so they made it a rule you couldn't wear steel toe.
I hate'm and not afraid to admit it. :D ;D ;)
what's bad about them? I honestly don't mind wearing steel toed shoes at all. almost everybody I know hates to wear them.
The most comfortable boots I have ever worn were Wolverine durashox. Unfortunately I wore them out in about two months :-\ The soft soles just could not stand up to the rough concrete floor in the barn and the rocky steep slopes in the woods. Wolverine replaced the boots at no charge but the replacement boots are a cheaper model, do not fit my arch and have caused some nasty knee pain.
My logging boots have steel toes but I am inclined to replace them with non steel toed boots. I have a odd sized feet, 8 1/2 EEE and I can never get a steel toe that is wide enough to be comfortable. Everything is made now on lathes that are undersized. If I move up to a size 9 the arch is in the wrong place :(
Top 3 complaints:
- makes my toes sore
- toe of the boot wears faster
- cold on my feet
It is an interesting topic.. While I was in Canada/US I spent alot of time trying to find insulated safety toe boots..SOREL type, and ended up with 2 pairs. Dakodas and Sorels. It appeared that the use of safety(steel or other) toed boots is alot less prevalent over there. This thread seems to back that up. I dont own any work boots that are not steel/safety toed.
DTR
I've fought a lot of fire around the country for long hours on varied terrain during my 38 years with the USDA Forest Service from flat to steep and always wore Red Wing steel toed boots without any problems. I'm not aware of any policy against them other than personal perferences. Steel toes were required on some job assignments or highly recommended so I found it best to wear them as one never knew where they might end up on a fireighting assignment.
A key is to be sure that you have a "good leather" boot and "good fit" as a poor boot and fit in a steel toe will surely kill your feet.
A excerpt from some documentation on there use:
Safety Toe Footwear on the Fireline.
Some firefighters believe the safety toe is uncomfortable and can be a source of
blisters. Organizations operating in wildland conditions, and not using safety toe footwear, can not provide research documentation to support their policies.
However, they do provide comments on the issue.
The USDA Forest Service (USFS) employed over 25,000 firefighters during the 2000 fire season. The organization does not require toe protection. Federal firefighters are required to wear footwear meeting the NFPA standard. According to George Jackson, a recognized authority on protective clothing and equipment in the U.S., the incidence of impact and cut injuries to the foot are infrequent on the fireline. The USFS does not specifically collect foot injury data, but the organization provides training on the choice, care, and maintenance of boots, and on techniques for walking in the woods.
> Just how do you feed your wood stove
With a long pair of tongs :D
> I'm just wondering if some USFS burearcrat years ago decided on a whim to make this
> regulation, with no real thought put into it.
I could agree with that and maybe ONE person suffered an accident attributed to a steel toe boot, rightly or wrongly, and it became recommended.
I have been wearing Hoffman's and Danners. Both seem to be built much better than the newer redwings.
Do you mean to tell me that there is a any other boot manufacturer besides Redwing out there?
Recently I stopped by my Redwing store to ask if there was anything that could be done to repair my 5 month old boots that had lining problems. We reviewed the problem, he examined the boots. I wasn't complaining, simply inquiring if the lining situation that I found annoying when I took them off and put them on could be rectified. Ya know its a real pain having to spend an extra ten seconds a boot straightening out the lining. Really, that was all that was wrong. toe intact, stitching intact a few, nothing speacial scrapes and cuts to the leather.
I did not have the reciept. I provided my phone # when asked. Apparantly, Redwing stores keep good records.
I handed the salesman my old boots and he provided me with a replacment pair, no charge. The best I had hoped for was to be able to send the boots for some sort of repair and I dreaded that becasue then I would have had to put on my "back-up" boots for a week or whatever.
I have always enjoyed the quality of the boots but serive such as I was provided with in the Redwing store in Fairview Heights, Illinois far exceeded my meager expectations. I must further comment that I walked away with the feeling that this is just how they do business - I didn't just win the boot lottery or get luck.
I'm not sure how to reference the boot I wear except to describe them as steel toe, insulated, water proof, 10" loggers that cost about $250. Not only do I work with trees but at home I've got a few hogs, cattle and horses. These boots put up with all...
She does make me rinse 'em off before I come in the house or we go out somewhere though.
Make it a safe day!!!
I'm disappointed to not see Chippewa mentioned anywhere. I just bought a pair from an ebay seller for less than half the retail price around here. I'll see how they feel and wear.
I am suprised that so many have mentioned Redwing. ??? Out west it is not even in the same class as White's or Wesco. However, there is a big price difference, the Wesco and White's will set you back twice as much as the Redwings, but make it up in the life of the boot. I really like White's, and I will probably try Wesco in the future. I think that dollar for dollar, the Red Dawgs from Bailey's (which are made by Canada West) are a better deal than Redwings. IMHO :-\ ;D 8)
RON, I guess this is where the FS guys in our area are coming from. We have also been told that any of our part-time or full-time people who want to go on western fire detail can't wear steel-toed boots. The 1999 USFS health and Safety Code handbook, Section 25.12 has the requirements for boots. It states: "Boots. Wear heavy-duty, leather, laced boots with nonskid soles and tops at least 8 incnes high. Steel-toed (metal cup) footwear is not recommended for fire suppression."
www.fs.fed.us/im/directives/fsh/6709.11/FSH6709.pdf.
It's about page 150 in this pdf file. But I haven't found anybody who can say why this directive was implemented.
I've never had any problem with steeltoed boots either. I've never noticed them being uncomfortable or too cold or too hot. Never any problems with blisters on my toes, etc. Since I can't afford more than a couple pairs of boots and I need them mainly for work, I've worn steel-toed for hunting also, where I was out in the woods all day. Granted we don't get those 0 F degree days here, but I've hunted all day in plenty of 20 to 30 degree weather, mostly sitting or standing, some walking. In other words I wasn't constantly walking and being warmed up by that movement. Lots of sitting and just standing. I never thought the steel toed boots were any colder than non-steel toed ones.
Maybe it's just you fat-footed fellers that have problems with them. ;D
My feet won't get cold in 20 degree weather either. Try them steel toes in 0 or colder all day. ;D
SWAMP, how about the plastic toed boots? Still gives good toe protection, and I'd think they'd be warmer than steel toed. Anybody up there wear those?
The cutters here are pretty much required to wear a Viking or Nokia type safety boot with steel toe and that steel wool type stuff embedded in the rubber. They line them with felt in winter. But, I don't think spacing saw operators have to. But, I make them wear them. And I prefer they have spikes on them. Wet slash is slipperier than snot. They sure are terrible on the feet though. I don't know anyone wearing plastic toe boots, but some folks may be using them.
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I use these boot socks inside my safety boots for more comfort, as well and place an insole for extra comfort. I buy a larger sized boot to fit all this comfort inside. ;)
SD
Something very "uncomfortable-looking" about that boot sock pictured. Does it have a seam that runs back and under the heal and under the foot up to the toe?
::)
SD was that 20 in canadian or american? My feet don't get cold til much below 0 (canadian) :D
Yes, and the sock is padded. It helps keep the regular socks from ending up bunched up at your toe tipps by days end. I asked them for the boot slippers when I got these, because they look like slippers to me. The guy didn't know what the heck...then I walked over and took them off the shelf myself. ::)
;D 20 F is fine for me, but 0 F ain't so comfy for long when just standing or sit'n. ;D
I have been a lifelong Redwing supporter. I wear 402s in 12H. When someone asks me what the H stands for, I tell them "Herman Munster". :D Even the H width is narrow for me, but they hold up well to a 6'3" 350lb. gorilla. ;D In the winter I wear Rocky Snowstalker Extremes, best winter boot I've ever had.
Dave
I'm getting in on this post a little late but I wear Redwing style 2233. It's the only boot I've found to hold up and be comfortable.
Dan Shade: You posted you would like to be able to order from redwing. I can give you a dealer in OH that has shipped boots to me several times and not even charged me for shipping. I am at work right now and don't have the number with me but it's Liverpool Shoe in Liverpool OH.
I am climbing trees with spikes almost every working day. Ankle support is VERY important to me since belt from spikes after 4 hours make beeeeg red mark.
I tried different brands including Redwings. Nothing more comfortable then Chippewa Uninsulated 72007 ($105) for summer and Insulated 72008 ($110) for winter.
My thanks to everybody for all of the great feedback. Here's an update for "enquiring minds"!
I looked over the entire Redwing line (they had a factory display with every boot at the Daytona Bike Week event this year), and found some boots that they made for electricians that had a very soft sole, were lightweight and very comfortable. Unfortunately, the bottom of the sole was fairly smooth (for working on concrete), and for here on the farm I prefer some type of cleated sole, as the smooth ones will slip and slide in our clay soil.
I ended up purchasing two pairs of boots - one from Caterpillar (based upon Jeff's recommendation) and one from Carhart. Without question, the Carhart boots are the most comfortable pair of steel toed boots that I've every owned. I've been wearing them since March, so I haven't experienced them in the extreme cold. They are light, soft soled, cleated, and fit my feet very well. Whereas before I had sore knees at the end of the day (with my old Justin's), I have no problems with the Carharts. The model number is 3904.
I can't find a model number on the Cat's, but I'd rate them an "OK". They don't fit my feet as well as the Carharts (I have to double sock them) and they are a little heavier and the sole is harder. There is some type of air suspension in them - they "hiss" a little with ever step. But they are still comfortable.
The next time I head up to the PNW, I'll make a point to locate some White's and Wesco's and try them out. I'll also watch for Chippewa.
It's funny, when I was younger most boots seemed comfortable. As my joints have aged, weight and a softer sole have become more important.
Scott
I had a pair of $300 hard soled boots once and they were terrible in winter. Not as far as comfort and warmth, but I could not stand up on hard packed snow or icey patches with those cursed things. They had deep cleats to track lots of mud into the shed to. :( If I could get caulks in the soles or spikes they would have been great though. In my red wings I can stand up on hard packed snow and even walk across frosty ice without fear of falling.
cheers
Last year I broke the nail of my big toe using steel toed Meindl boots, a German make, high end. I figure the back end of the steel got banged from the top and was bent down just enough to pressure my nail. Seems like a small problem but nevertheless made work difficult for a couple of weeks. that was eight months ago and the nail is about 60% grown in.
I splurged on some White´s boots. Yes, they are hard to break in indeed!
Since I started the original post, I've purchased three pairs of the Carhart boots, and am still pleased with them. I wore the first pair out, and then purchased two more that I alternate between. One is around 75% worn out, the other barely worn.
This past week I purchased a pair of 6680 Redwings in Phoenix, AZ, and plan to start alternating them with the Carharts to see which one I like best. They are slighly heavier than the Carharts, but have the same spongy sole and tread pattern.
I work 12 and sometimes 14 hour shifts on concrete floors and the only boots that I have found that I can wear day in and out without without my feet bothering me a bit are timberland pro with the electric approved safety toe. These boots have a soft sole and weigh about the same as most sneakers. I am on the second pair I have bought and the first lasted a year and 2 months before I kicked a piece of pipe and quite effectively removed the sole from the right boot ;D. I wore redwings before this and liked them alot, but for comfort they do'nt hold a canndle to these boots. Durability, Redwing hands down X 2 as I averaged a little over 2 years of wear out on my red wings if you do'nt count the steel showing on the toes.
Get new White's, buy the best.
Walk one mile, limp the rest.
Boot break in poetry? :) TT
I often use heavy duty wellingtons/pull on work boots with steel toe caps, pretty uncomfortable, but if you cut out two bits of old carpet the shape of your feel soles and insert them wooly side up its makes a big difference. But a size or two, too big.
Gday
I wear (Blundy's) Blundstone elastic sided steel cap Boots and have done since i was a kid i also have a pair off soft toe blundys as well ;D I love em ;) i usually get about two years out off mine ;) ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) if the grounds realy wet i wear Gumboots ;) ;D
Blundstone are made in Tasmania but about 12 months ago they started making some lines in china :o :) ::) ::) so you have to watch which model #no you buy now as i like that they are made here and they runn at about $60 odd dollars pair ;) ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Reguards Chris
I purchased a pair of steel toe steel shanked boots from Labonville out of NH. They took a while to break in but they are very cumfy now.( Made in the USA imagine that ) ;D I think they ran me $160
:D :D I don't know where my Carolinas were made, but i swear the leather is cardboard with some special treatment to imitate leather. I had a chaulk spike rub across the toe of one shoe and it tore like paper. The shoe was not stepped on. Just about like, if you will, imagine a bunch of boots tossed 6 feet into the air and have them land and collide with one another. What kind of leather or animal does that hide come from? ::)
SD, I hope you know how to feed that leather so it doesn't dry out like that. ;D
I just saw Andy Rooney on 60 minutes talking about things he liked. First thing was Fudge and the second thing was polishing his shoes. Said he bought some shoe polish where the ad said it would "bring that leather back to life." Rooney said he hoped that if it worked, he hoped it would not eat his Fudge. :D :D
That shoe leather is usually cow hide, but can be from any animal.
I'll tell ya one thing. The leather in my Red Wings is superior in comparison. ;D
Steer Clear of the clear sole Redwings. I am on pair #3 in five years. Yes they keep covering them under warrenty, but it has been a big pain. The clear soles seem to dry rot, or just start to crumble away. I expect the top of the line boot to at least be able to be resoled once if not more.
I've never had the soles fall apart and I use the amber color soles. They grip ice and snow packed roadways real good, even a slick wet windfall isn't too bad either.
On the other hand I bought a pair of Irish Setter shoes and they are falling apart around the ankles. It's not leather there, some type of cloth and foam. Gotta get something different than that this fall.
After many years of satisfied service (and many pairs of boots), I discovered today that Carhartt had discontinued my favorite steel toed work boot - the 3904. These have been the most comfortable boots that I have ever worn, and I am typically in mine for 16 hours a day, 6 and 7 days a week. I have not been able to find them in stock anywhere online, so it appears that they have been discontinued for a while.
I bought a pair of US Mfg Danner's late last year, and I alternate them with the Carhartts. The Danner's have proven to be high quality, but only about 80% as comfortable as the 3904's.
My quest for a replacement begins anew. I think that I may look into the White's Farmer/Rancher boots, as well as checking out the current Redwing lineup. The last pair of Redwing's that I owned were alternated with the Carhartts, and they did not last 1/2 as long (but they were comfortable).
Bummer.....
Leather boots I find don't last long in damp woods, and especially if there are a lot of sapling stumps and dead fall softwood snags about. That will tear up wet leather in no time. Even if you keep an oil on the boots, they only last so long. If you work in them in winter time in the cold then they stay dry, but steel toed is cold on the feet. I have been wearing a pair of Carolinas now for years, but winter time only. Not steel toed. I couldn't wear them in the other seasons unless it's in a building or out in the yard gravel. In our type of woods up here, which can be hardwood on a ridge or down in a cedar swamp, I need logger boots with chaulked bottoms. It's so much easier on the legs. With leather boots in these woods I feel like a monkey climbing a tree, slipping and sliding. :D I have a brand new pair of Redwings never worn yet, not steel toed. But, as I said, leather needs to be kept reasonably dry.
Quote from: scsmith42 on August 10, 2013, 12:48:54 AM
After many years of satisfied service (and many pairs of boots), I discovered today that Carhartt had discontinued my favorite steel toed work boot - the 3904. These have been the most comfortable boots that I have ever worn, and I am typically in mine for 16 hours a day, 6 and 7 days a week. I have not been able to find them in stock anywhere online, so it appears that they have been discontinued for a while.
I bought a pair of US Mfg Danner's late last year, and I alternate them with the Carhartts. The Danner's have proven to be high quality, but only about 80% as comfortable as the 3904's.
My quest for a replacement begins anew. I think that I may look into the White's Farmer/Rancher boots, as well as checking out the current Redwing lineup. The last pair of Redwing's that I owned were alternated with the Carhartts, and they did not last 1/2 as long (but they were comfortable).
Bummer.....
Scott,
Have you looked at WESCO boots? Price but very well made!
I've worn out a few pairs of Wolverines, and a pair of Justins. Every time the leather is still good, but the soles wear through. The boots were cheap enough that re-soling didn't make sense. The Justin's were probably the most comfortable though. Now I have a pair of slip-on Justin's I got on clearance that are ok, but they seem so much heavier for some reason, and I miss the security of lace-ups. I only wear them when I have to, otherwise I have a pair of Wolverine mid-height hiking boots that are really comfortable.
There was a time when I recommended Georgia Boot. I have an odd shaped foot, and georgia boot was the only thing that fit properly and comfortably. Alas, they have gone the china route, and the quality is not so good.
Quote from: Raider Bill on August 10, 2013, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: scsmith42 on August 10, 2013, 12:48:54 AM
After many years of satisfied service (and many pairs of boots), I discovered today that Carhartt had discontinued my favorite steel toed work boot - the 3904. These have been the most comfortable boots that I have ever worn, and I am typically in mine for 16 hours a day, 6 and 7 days a week. I have not been able to find them in stock anywhere online, so it appears that they have been discontinued for a while.
I bought a pair of US Mfg Danner's late last year, and I alternate them with the Carhartts. The Danner's have proven to be high quality, but only about 80% as comfortable as the 3904's.
My quest for a replacement begins anew. I think that I may look into the White's Farmer/Rancher boots, as well as checking out the current Redwing lineup. The last pair of Redwing's that I owned were alternated with the Carhartts, and they did not last 1/2 as long (but they were comfortable).
Bummer.....
Scott,
Have you looked at WESCO boots? Price but very well made!
Bill, I had not looked at those before. I've sent them an enquiry to see if they make a boot with a spongy midsole. I've sent the same enquiry to Whites.
Piney - I had the same quality experience that you did with GB. I don't mind paying more if I can find a US mfg product that is durable and extremely comfortable. The Danner's aren't bad, but I'd like to try and get something just a big more comfy.
Yes soles wear out pretty quick to on some brands. But the leather goes in the toes and along the sew line of the soles on any leather boots I've had. The woods is a lot different than out in the gravel yard or on a garage floor. ;D
Was by an Amish store today near Island Falls, Maine and noticed they carried Danner as one brand. I wasn't looking for boots, just taking notice of stuff. We was returning from a bean hole bean dinner in Patten, Maine at the Lumberman's Museum. Took notice of the big old steam powered log hauler. Mother was worried that the rain last night would put the squish squash on the bean cook'n. They are cooked in a big pot in the ground ya know. I noticed ten that got emptied and served. Had red hotdogs to. Cooked the biscuits in an oven that works of the radiant heat off the big fire. The hood like ovens are set by the fire. They are stand alone units, no fire in them.
There now, food. ;D
SD
No pics, ya know what that means..... ::)
I have been very satisfied with the Carhartt 3908.
Quote from: Magicman on August 11, 2013, 01:52:46 PM
I have been very satisfied with the Carhartt 3908.
Lynn, I hate to break the news to you, but the 3908 has been discontinued as well.... >:(
I've heard from a couple of different sources that Redwing used to make the Carhartt boots under contract, and that last year Carhartt selected an overseas manufacture and terminated their supply contract with Redwing. That's why the models have changed.
I like the house brand at Tractor Supply. Schmidtt. under $100. Mink oil once in a while. Used to be made in China but they came back to the US recently. I think they told me Rockies now makes them.
I've had several pairs of Georgia Boots over the years that were very comfortable, but as usual, they discontinued that line. When it came time for me to get boots again, I found a pair of Chippewa Boots on sale. They are heavy and took a little time to break in since the leather is so thick on them, but I've just about got em right :D
I always wear steel toed boots, but I do not like heavily cleated grip soles. They are kinda hard to find, especially when you need a pair. :-\
The only pair of steel toe boots I have ever had that didn't hurt my feet or need extensive "Breakin" are Wolverine . I am on my second pair.. don't know the number of them but they are an electrican type boot. The sole is supposed to be better insulated or something. They are moc toed lace ups. They are made in China like most everything else.... I got my second pair on ebay... they probably been discontinued as well.. Banjo
I've worn Whites for over 30 years. In that time, the quality has dropped dramatically. I also had a couple of pair of Wesco's in that time and was very satisfied in them. I now wear a "Timberland Pro Series" and love them! Very comfortable, wether I'm running loader, working outside, or spending the day in the shop on the concrete. My wife wears basically the same boot and she loves hers too.
My Whites are in need of a rebuild, but I'll be sending them to a guy in Pendleton, OR by the name of George's Handmade Boots for rebuild instead of back to the factory. The last trip they made to the factory just didn't "do it " for me, for what it cost. Maybe they've improved in the past couple years, but I'm not the only person I know that feels this way.
John
I ordered a pair of Keen Detroit Wellingtons,
Nice boot ST and EH rated.
Just not quite to my fit, I sent them back and will
try a pair of the Pittsburgh, ST/EH lace-ups. They are more of a hiking boot
than a traditional leather work boot.
I have had very good luck with Keen,
They have a Utility Line,
DGDrls
Update.
For the past few years I have been alternating between the Danner's that I mentioned earlier and some Redwings. The Redwings seem to wear out every 16 months or so and have to be replaced; whereas the Danner's can be rebuilt. My problem with the Danner's is that they don't match the shape of my foot well and are not as comfortable as the Redwings.
A couple of months ago my wife turned me on to Keen boots and I bought a pair of Targhee II's at REI. Unfortunately REI did not have steel toe boots, but the Targhee's that they had were extremely comfortable. Last week I contacted Keen about finding if they had a steel toed equivalent, and they recommended their 8" Detroit model since it was built on the same platform as the Targhee's. I ordered a pair last week and have worn them every day since they arrived.
Hands down these Keen Detroit boots the most comfortable pair of boots that I have owned. More comfortable than the Danner's and much lighter. I hope that they hold up better than the Redwings.
One thing that I discovered is that my foot seems to have changed shape a bit as I have aged, and what fit me best 10 - 20 years ago is not longer my most comfortable option.
I am going through nearly the same routine.. old Danners that were so comfortable for years, now are too small (feet getting bigger).
What height did you get? Are they high enough to keep out sawdust, etc. ?
I bought a pair of mid-height "wellington" slip-on but they would collect sawdust and lawnmower debris, so gave them to my son.
Recently bought a higher top "wellington" slip-on Wolverine that just don't seem to want to get comfortable. So am still looking for that comfortable boot that the old Danner was.
I have my wife buy me cheapest boot she can cause they dont last long enough to merit extra money for better boot,not the boots problem Im in them from about 8 am til dark, wet dry muddy whatever,I need a new pair every 5-6 mths like clock work.
Quote from: beenthere on April 29, 2015, 12:16:36 AM
I am going through nearly the same routine.. old Danners that were so comfortable for years, now are too small (feet getting bigger).
What height did you get? Are they high enough to keep out sawdust, etc. ?
I bought a pair of mid-height "wellington" slip-on but they would collect sawdust and lawnmower debris, so gave them to my son.
Recently bought a higher top "wellington" slip-on Wolverine that just don't seem to want to get comfortable. So am still looking for that comfortable boot that the old Danner was.
I bought the 8" ones. I think that my Danner's are 10" models so the tops are close to the same between them. The Bailey's "Wild Ass" jeans cover the tops of the boots by 4 - 5".
I don't care much for slip on boots because my feet can slip in them and like you said they are not comfortable. These Keen's sure are great though. The shape of the boot seems to match the shape of my foot much better than other brands.