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Title: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 10, 2007, 05:49:05 PM
Mr Weatherman said yesterday that there was a slight chance for blizzard like conditions for most of Saskatchewan's regions.  Guess he had a bit of a clue because this is what we got today.
The first one is out the kitchen doorway.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12427/Minimal%20Visibility.jpg)

I got brave and went out to see how bad it really was.  "God hates a coward," as they say. This next one is just leaving down the drive towards our neighbors.  Lloyd's house is only about 75 yards from where I took the picture from.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12427/Lloyds%20House%2075%20yards%20away.jpg)

I took a picture of the doorway to the garage that I used for comparing the storm later in the day.  It's kinda funny how I use the doorway to tell the weather.  The doorway always seems to blow in with snow.  The more the snow the worse the weather.  This one was around 9 am this morning.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12427/Garage%20Doorway.jpg)


Here it is at 4pm.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12427/Garage%20Doorway%20at%204pm.jpg)


The wind has seemed to have died down a little now , but is dumping a bunch more snow.

I had to rescue our little dog this morning also.  Her doghouse literally blew full of snow.  I had to shovel out the snow and give her a new bale of hay to lay on.  I also banked her house with snow and leaned my hommade patio table to block the doorway some.  Yup, I was definately in the doghouse today and it wasn't fun.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12427/Dog%20House.jpg)


Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Bibbyman on January 10, 2007, 05:50:58 PM
Just keep it all up there.... ! ;D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 10, 2007, 06:07:51 PM
The white stuff is free for the taking.  You pay the shipping.  Loading is free.

Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: sprucebunny on January 10, 2007, 07:57:59 PM
I like that first picture, Coon ;D

We sure could use some of that weather around here. I miss winter  :(
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Don_Papenburg on January 10, 2007, 08:05:04 PM
I probably won't get snow now that I have the snow blower and the chains on the  garden tractor.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 10, 2007, 08:08:11 PM
Coon, your doing a good job so far keeping the snow westward. I'll try not to fall on my way to the shop on our crusty 2 ". ;D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 10, 2007, 08:30:10 PM
I think someone better send me some snowshoes. ;D  Oh yeah........... Department of Highways are on strike the mail truck'll never get here.  They'd have to send them by dogsled otherwise.

I bet by morning the snow in front of the garage door is about 1 foot below the top of the door.   ;D

I pity the poor wildlife in this kind of weather.  Thankfully the elk and deer out at our farm have plenty of feed.  ::)



Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: thecfarm on January 10, 2007, 08:33:07 PM
SD,that's just about what we got out of that last storm too.Five minute away to the south they got half an inch.Drive ten more and you won't find any.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 10, 2007, 08:46:51 PM
There's some kind of winter carnival suppose to take place in Fredericton. The committee or whoever in charge has secured $50,000 from the government to truck in snow for it.  ::) They got a long way to go get that snow. I don't think the $50,000 is going to be enough. :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 10, 2007, 08:50:16 PM
About 4 years ago I think it was, my aunt had to climb out a window to get out of the house. The front door was snowed it and wind packed.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Ironwood on January 10, 2007, 08:51:47 PM
Well, I used to love the winter and snow, Back country skiing, winter camping, ice climbing. Now my favorite winter weather is when the snow is rolling off the roof into the gutter and down the down spout.  ;D It is nice for awhile, but too much of my work is outside these days. Sure looks pretty though.

                  Reid
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 10, 2007, 08:57:15 PM
Swamp you should tell them to come and get all they want.  Gotta pay their own trucking. :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: fuzzybear on January 10, 2007, 10:01:10 PM
You guys should try it up here!  It's a cool -42c with a nice breeze to bring the wind chill down to about -55c.  Only nice thing is we only have 5 more months to go till we have our 4 months of spring, summer and fall combined.   But at least the sun will be out 24 hours instead of the moon being out that long.   8)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: PineNut on January 10, 2007, 11:30:12 PM
Always felt snow was nice when you could stay inside and watch it and only go outside when you wanted to. But when you have to get out in it and mess with vehicles whether you want to or not, then it is something else. No, I have not lived here in MS all my life.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Sprucegum on January 11, 2007, 12:12:22 AM
Gotta love those blizzards!

I just pulled a double shift 'cause none of the other guys could get to work. Most of them drive in from the country, I walk 6 blocks - and it was a long, tough 6 today.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 11, 2007, 10:06:46 AM
We are all lucky that we didn't get the weather that Dawson Creek, BC got.  From what I hear you can buy a snow shovel, snow blower, or anything else to move snow.  I forget just how much snow they got but we didn't get nothing compared to them.

Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: sawguy21 on January 11, 2007, 10:19:11 AM
Yup, we are getting the winter our grandparents told us they had when they were kids. :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 11, 2007, 11:00:06 AM
Sawguy, that's what I am affraid of.  I have seen pics that were taken years ago when the snow was over the telephone lines.  I remember hearing stories upon stories of people shovelling tunnels right from the doorway of the house to the barn etc, etc, etc,.  I don't want that much but............. if we gotta ahve it we might as well have er now. 

Actually I'd like to see it bu not live it.... :D :D  if you know what I mean ???
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Ironwood on January 11, 2007, 12:06:11 PM
Well, sounds like adventure is being had up North. I tell my wife this year is a Tennessee winter in Pennsylvania, most of the time above the 30's and some days a little rain, but alot of sunshine too. Last night was 18 degrees, no big deal for you northerners. I would need one of those "artic bubbles" you see on the Learning Channel to work outside my shop. BBRRRRR.

             Reid
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 11, 2007, 05:56:13 PM
There's no more blizzard today but it's definately cold enough to freeze a squirrel's nuts. :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Paul_H on January 11, 2007, 08:04:16 PM
My daughter lives over near Medicine Hat, Alberta and she said it was nippy there too.Last night the dog was yelping and they went out to see what the matter was.The dog is young and dense and tried to squeeze out the gate and it's nose stuck on the metal.It panicked and tore a bit of skin off   :)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 11, 2007, 08:32:50 PM
Gonna start getting cold here by saturday. I mean down below 0 ° F (-17.5 ° C). Was rather nippy today to handling cold lumber in the barn with bare hands and thin cotton sweater. Good thing I could open the shop door and go in to warm up.  ;D Once in there for awhile, had to leave the door open, too hot.  smiley_sweat_drop  ::)  :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Sprucegum on January 11, 2007, 10:33:17 PM
Real bad news for some folks ; a couple got stuck 1/2 mile from their house and tried to walk the rest of the way during the worst of the blizzard. They both froze to death 200 yards from the house.

Sad to say people have forgotten how to "be prepared".
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 11, 2007, 10:37:42 PM
Young dogs got to live and learn too.  Got a dog prob here I gotta try and solve.  Long story short the dog owner wants me to pepper the dog butt full of buckshot the next time it's here tearing into garbage bags.  Can't even put a bag out on the doorstep for a few minutes till you're ready to go outside and the neat-o dogs are into it.  Things must smell it for a 1/4 mile away.

Ahh just wait Swamp.  I sent some real nice weather your way..............
















Nice and COLD.
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: PineNut on January 11, 2007, 10:40:06 PM
When I was in SW Ohio a number of years ago, had two people die in a car right in front of a house during a blizzard. Feel sure that they didn't even know that the house was there.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 12, 2007, 06:46:55 AM
I always take gloves and hat and dress warm enough when I drive someplace. Some folks dress for fall weather when they strike out in them storms. No wonder some freeze when they have to walk. Take and walk a mile with a north wind in your face, even on a sunny day and 0 F there is always a slight breeze here and that's dang cold. In the winter I drive up to the woods to walk out of the wind and I don't need to dress for the north pole.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: fuzzybear on January 13, 2007, 06:51:44 AM
   With my wife being pregnant with twins we have to go to the city for doctor visits. Only problem is that It is in Whitehorse. Thats about 360 miles away. Up here the weather can turn in an instant.
   When we head out I look like I'm heading on an expedition into the great unknown. :D  I always take food, water, extra winter gear, 2 spare tires,chains, 2-5gal. cans of fuel, matches, snow shoes, chain saw, flares, first aid kit, and anything else that happens to pop into my head we might need.  like I said an expedition.
   My wife always laughed at me until our last trip when we had a very large moose change our direction of travel from south to west in an instant. She was very glad I had brought the winch along to pull us out, and the 2 spare tires to replace the ones on the front of the truck. Not a fun thing to do at -35c.
   I always believe that it is easier to load and unload all the gear than to leave it behind and be very sorry later.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 13, 2007, 11:21:29 AM
fuzzybear, I would be doing just the same in your neck of the woods.  Heck even around here I always have two spare tires, jackall, some blocking, extra food, matches, the saw, an axe, etc.  The weather can change in an instant here as well.  I have seen it change drastically while driving home from the farm.  Was clear as a bell when I left the farm and by the time I drove 3 of the 6 or 7 miles it was a complete whiteout.  We ended up stuck in the middle of the road but had bush along the road that blocked the wind.  No cell service so we found some firewood and lighted a fire and took turns shoveling out the 1/2 ton.  Only took us 5 hours or so to get out and back home. 

Our cold snap is warming a bit already.  The night before last we had temps that went down to -37C before the wind.  With the wind it was down to about -50C.  Warmed up through the night last night.  Was -27C at 11 pm last night and by 9 am this morning it was up to -17C with a slight wind.  They say it is supposed to be up to -8C by Monday.  Guess I will be able to get more firewood cut and work on Critter.  Oh yeah and snow shovelled.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: tdelorme on January 13, 2007, 10:04:30 PM
Well its not "bad weather" cause we need the rain, but we have sure had alot of it today.  This is the road over our pond dam heading up to the house.  If it keeps up much longer we won't be getting out to the road for a day or two.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12535/water-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Tom on January 13, 2007, 10:06:11 PM
Is that a dirt dam?   What kind of damage does the overflow cause?
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 13, 2007, 10:21:10 PM
My house and driveway would be on the highest dryest knoll. ;D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: tdelorme on January 14, 2007, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: Tom on January 13, 2007, 10:06:11 PM
Is that a dirt dam?   What kind of damage does the overflow cause?
Tom what we have around here is iron ore gravel.  So, the dam is dirt if you call iron ore dirt.  I paved the road with asphalt three years ago and since then we have not had much rain.  It has been raining all night and is really coming down right now.  We may lose the asphalt but I think the dam will survive.  This is a big deal to us getting all the rain. We have never had any problems with our well water and it is just as good as it gets quality wise, but I was starting to worry about the water table droping to the point of having problems.  If we lose the road, well darn.  If we lose the dam as well, I lose all my big fish and the dirt work will be big $, but we do need the moisture.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 14, 2007, 11:23:05 AM
Swamp, did you get that nice cold weather I sent you?  I sent some snow as well.  I could see you are having to easy of a time walking through the bush. :D   If you really want to exercise just come on up and walk through our knee to waist deep snow.  You'll definately sleep good at night.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 14, 2007, 11:40:22 AM
It got down to +5 ° F and now up to 16 °F. We've only got 2 inches if ya stretch the tape. Yesterday morning it was raining when I got up and by 7:30 a snow squawl came through and only a trace of snow fell.

::)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: leweee on January 14, 2007, 01:05:20 PM
Hold on to your hat Swampy we're getten freezing rain right now and we are sending it your way. :o
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 14, 2007, 01:21:36 PM
Yeah Lewee, the weatherman says an inch or less from that.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 14, 2007, 07:47:04 PM
Just remember frigid temps are coming behind that freezing rain.  Get your woolies on. :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 14, 2007, 07:55:14 PM
I got'm Coon. Three or 4 pairs of heavy wool pants and some wool Stanfield underware.  It ain't so cold in the shop, and sure ain't in here. Gotta open a window before I'm a grease spot. ;D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Radar67 on January 14, 2007, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Coon on January 14, 2007, 07:47:04 PM
Get your woolies on.

WOOLIES? I've got the AC on.  ;D

Stew
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 14, 2007, 09:25:35 PM
I don't need one of those this time of year.  You wouldn't either if you were here.  Heck I could put you to work all day and you wouldn't even overheat. :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: tdelorme on January 14, 2007, 09:30:57 PM
Quote from: Radar67 on January 14, 2007, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Coon on January 14, 2007, 07:47:04 PM
Get your woolies on.

WOOLIES? I've got the AC on.  ;D

Stew

I did too on Friday but tonight its 35 and falling.  Hang on cause your next.  :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Swede on January 16, 2007, 05:37:38 AM
Electricy is back!
Phone is back!
Even the cellphone is back!

Therefore I´m back. :) The sunday-storm felled some trees, I think 10-15% of what the storm Jan-05 did in this area.

Swede.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 16, 2007, 07:28:56 AM
Here ya go Coon.  fire_smiley


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_snowfall.jpg)


That's a total of 5 inches for mid-January, we only got 3 inches last night.  ;D

Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Fla._Deadheader on January 16, 2007, 08:56:29 AM

Looks like the Swede is back to sawing for $$$$$  8) ;D :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: slowzuki on January 16, 2007, 10:55:25 AM
Us southerners got a bit more, we had nearly 5" last night.  At about 2 am the whole roof unloaded and woke me up.  It hit almost 15 ft away from the building.  And the building inspector was worried about snow load!

I'm worried about this cold that is coming.  I've got no vapor barrier on and a mess of air leaks at my peak and around all my windows (site built).  It can go from 85 F to freezing in about 20 hours once the fire dies out and thats when its warm out.
:(

Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 16, 2007, 07:28:56 AM
Here ya go Coon.  fire_smiley

That's a total of 5 inches for mid-January, we only got 3 inches last night.  ;D


Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Swede on January 16, 2007, 11:17:40 AM
QuoteLooks like the Swede is back to sawing for $$$$$
Get payd in $ will make me rich in short time. SEK.7,3=$1

SEK.350/hr x 7,3...............DANG!!!! Why didn´t I think about that?  ::)

;D Swede.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 16, 2007, 11:19:21 AM
Hope you easterners are enjoying your cold frigid temperatures.  I have had my share.  It is nicely warming up out there.  They are calling for a high of around -9C for today and -5C for tomorrow.  Guess I will finally be able to get some work done again.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 16, 2007, 11:58:31 AM
Actually, it ain't really what I call frigid yet. It was forecast to drop below 0 °F, but the coldest it got was 5 °F and now it is 10 °F. Still cold enough if standing out in it for any extended period. But, for me it's just sweater weather. The most I wear is the Forum jacket with a scarf and sweeter under it when I'm in the woodlot.  :)

Time to go to the shop to work on the jigsaw puzzle. :D  ::)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Bill Johnson on January 16, 2007, 12:58:35 PM
SD
You better get an extra thick sweater, if you get the stuff we have right now. 

It's almost 1pm and still -23 with a windchill of -34.  Good news we're supposed to warm up tomorrow its supposed to be -8 and -2 by Thursday.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 16, 2007, 09:03:19 PM
Coon and Bill J. , It's cold. -5 °F now.  fire_smiley splitwood_smiley

Hard on the walnut trees.  ;)

Gotta throw more wood in the stove. ;D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 16, 2007, 09:54:20 PM
No wimpering and whining now there Swamp.  You got what you asked for. :D :D :D  Hope it teaches you for braggin' bout your weather. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: slowzuki on January 17, 2007, 08:41:10 AM
It was -10 F this morning (-22 C for us Canadians) and the high is -1 F (-18 C) today.  I plugged the 5000 W construction heater into the stove outlet for the day so my pipes won't freeze after the fire goes out.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 17, 2007, 11:40:42 AM
It was -15 °F here, and now up to -5 °F. Burrrrr....  smiley_sun fire_smiley
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Larry on January 17, 2007, 01:25:41 PM
Sis sent me few winter pics from west Kansas this morning.  Snow up to the roof on the houses, and electric high line towers crumpled up like aluminum foil.  She didn't mention what the temperature was, but with the wind howling at 60 mph who cares.

Can't imagine anybody wanting to live in west Kansas...except for sis. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 17, 2007, 04:43:25 PM
I wonder how that computer programmer and his wife are making out there in the middle of no mans land. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: beenthere on January 17, 2007, 06:25:47 PM
Not gonna try to decipher that sentence of SD's......no way.  ;)  Not with a 10' pole.....
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 17, 2007, 08:35:57 PM
Beenthere, in the Full Member section look for a thread on 'Real life of a Computer Programmer'. Something to that effect. You'll see what I mean from the link to his website. ;) I bet she's dang cold out there tonight. :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 17, 2007, 10:53:47 PM
Not here it ain't Swamp. :D :D :D  had a high of -4C today.  Beauty of a winter day.  That's gonna changew on Sunday. :(
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 18, 2007, 06:38:40 AM
-22 °C here this morning Coon.  fire_smiley
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: farmerdoug on January 18, 2007, 08:14:10 AM
It is finally nice here.  8) The temp yesterday was a low of 2°F.  Today it is 15°F for the low.  This is great winter weather.  The ground and ice is freezing fast.  We have less than an inch of crusty snow on the ground.

The logs are starting to move now.  I am going to take delivery of 5+ loads either tomorrow or Saturday.  I can actually start logging out of my woods now too.  I hope this cold sticks around for a while.

I may even get to ice fish this year. 8)

Farmerdoug
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 18, 2007, 07:46:09 PM
Coon, 12 - 16 inches of snow coming this weekend. Environment Canada says a lot less, but the local weatherman in Presque'Isle ,Maine really doubts it as there is a severe winter storm warning forecast over there starting tomorrow and into Sunday morning. We are having what they call a 'storm bomb' with two merging lows. One off the coast and one from the Great Lakes. Winter's here. ;D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 18, 2007, 08:01:49 PM
It's about time you easterners get winter.  We have ahd more than our share already.

Hope you got everything ready for the snow removal..  You better find you No.7 Scoop Shovel and get it all pollished up. :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 18, 2007, 08:21:34 PM
No, I got my No.7 snow blower all fueled up and ready to run the guantlet. I hope the cold wind don't pack the snow hard or it's going to be like work.  ::) Well now I can get the snowshoes out that I ain't needed in 2 years and break trails to confuse the border patrol fly boys. :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 19, 2007, 12:14:20 PM
Just hope they don't think that the sasquatches migrated that far east.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 19, 2007, 04:04:43 PM
It's not doing too much right now, and we have 4 inches since 6:30 am. I blew snow awhile ago and ready for another dump if it should arrive.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 20, 2007, 06:09:20 AM
Never did much after I blew snow yesterday afternoon, maybe an inch on the front step. Wind is blowing though. I was out at 5:00 am cleaning the drifted snow off and walked down to the shop and back up with the blower. We got 5 inches all together here in the storm (10 inches Total Accum. since Jan 1st), I measured where the snow doesn't blow much. There are some tall drifts, maybe 3 feet. I seen the stars out, so I don't know if it's all over or what. Wasn't much of a 'storm bomb'. I think the fuse burnt out. :D It rained in Saint John, and probably up into Sussex, and +4.4 C according to CBC's website. It's gone down to 18 F here from a high of about 30 F yesterday. Tried to take a picture of the ruler, but couldn't focus in the dark.
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Coon on January 20, 2007, 08:41:47 AM
Swamp watch out.  The storm could still be building elsewhere.  We have had that a few times this winter.  You think its all over and you settle in for the night with clear skies outside.  Before morning it is snowing and blowing like you wouldn't believe.  You're gonna get a good dump yet.  Just wait and see. ;)
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: isawlogs on January 20, 2007, 02:11:14 PM
Coon , I know something about that ....

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/winter%202007.jpg)

  I had to deal with this day before yesterday ....  Did not amount to much but was a pain to drive in for three hours .  :-\  Still ....ya got to love winter .  :D
Title: Re: Think you got bad weather???
Post by: Samuel on January 20, 2007, 03:39:01 PM
Here is some winter pics around my house.  I did drive in the blizzard last week that reaped havoc on Alberta.  From Edmonton to Peace River I counted 45 people off the road, 11 roll-overs, however did not have my camera with me.  We have more snow up here this year already than we did all last winter put together.  Anyhow, enjoy the pics.

Backyard to Gate (Note the big unobstructed view of the sky):
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14756/12.jpg)

Path from gate to the house:
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14756/11.jpg)

Front of House:
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14756/14.jpg)