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Title: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: jackpine on January 28, 2007, 06:53:46 PM
Finished a job today that was a mixture of red oak, soft maple and yellow birch. I have not sawn yellow birch before and was amazed at how easy it was to saw. The logs that were frozen sawed somewhat hard but with no waves  even when I bogged the engine and no residue on the band. The logs that were not frozen in the center sawed so well it was hard to believe :) I got 1000  bd. ft. from the one band it it was still cutting well at the end.

Anyone else have much experience with yellow birch? I would like to know if this is typical or did I just have some  extra nice logs to saw? If it's typical than I'm going to go looking for more yellow birch :D

Bill
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: oakiemac on January 28, 2007, 07:07:50 PM
Jackpine, I can't answer your question because I have never sawn any either. But I just got 3 decent sized logs in this week. They are kind of gnarly so I'm hoping for some nice figured wood. ;)
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 28, 2007, 07:59:49 PM
How 'bout this one jackpine? Yellow birch is nice stuff, similar to hard maple actually. ;D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_yellowbirch-wlt-022.jpg)


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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_yellowbirch-wlt-014.jpg)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_yellowbirch-wlt-023.jpg)

Yup it's an old brute, the bark has gone all platy. Talk about a way to cornfuse a guy. Then to really cornfuse ya, it may have the pink hue like cherry. ;D
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: jackpine on January 28, 2007, 08:28:45 PM
SD, there were some 16" dia. small end logs in the pile that were all "platey" too. Did not really like those as the plates tended to flake off and clog in the sawdust chute  very similar to red pine >:(

One thing i did notice was that some logs had a lot of heartwood with a beautifull light brown figure and others had almost no heartwood. Is this normal?

Thanks, Bill
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: pasbuild on January 28, 2007, 08:30:39 PM
That one looks like a good candidate for red heart, makes for some purrty boards.
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 28, 2007, 09:08:49 PM
jackpine, the heartwood of yellow birch is not a defect as it is in hard maple. Find the right markets for that red heart and it will bring above average prices. Assuming it's not rotten. ;) I see all kinds of veneer/plywood with red heart, I have some in my night stand I built and some in my bathroom cupboard doors. Sometimes you get a piece of veneer that is in transition from red to light and we call that flaming birch. And yes that is normal about the heart and very common.
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: Dana on January 30, 2007, 05:48:00 AM
I sawed one yellow birch log a few years ago with the same ease you describe. The tree I cut the logs from was dieing and had a bit of spalting in it. I at the time figured the spalting was why it cut so well. The wood seemed to air dry nicely also.
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 30, 2007, 07:22:30 AM
I have a nice little stash of it in the barn, but mines mostly sapwood (white). The neighbor's lot up the road has a nice little grove of yellow birch. It's off the end of the field and it's hard to tell the grove is there, except it actually is easy if you know that the tops are orange-brown. It has a few softwood buried in it. Once you realize that, you recognize a sea of yellow birch. The ground sinks in there and drains off to the NW. I walked in there last winter and there wasn't many log sized. Should actually be thinned out. But, it was a nice little grove, probably 15 acres or so. I tried for pictures in there but it just doesn't look like it does in real life. I'de like to have a woodlot full of them. Years ago, maybe 15 or so, they would have been just firewood and pulp. And since pulp isn't a big price it would have been clearcut.  ::) This woodlot owner however, never cuts hardly a stick. He's got a couple sons on the farm, but I don't think they are too ambitious about much of anything.
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: Paschale on January 30, 2007, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 28, 2007, 09:08:49 PM
jackpine, the heartwood of yellow birch is not a defect as it is in hard maple. Find the right markets for that red heart and it will bring above average prices. Assuming it's not rotten. ;) I see all kinds of veneer/plywood with red heart, I have some in my night stand I built and some in my bathroom cupboard doors. Sometimes you get a piece of veneer that is in transition from red to light and we call that flaming birch. And yes that is normal about the heart and very common.

Are pictures of that in the nightstand thread you wrote?  I'm curious about the redheart...haven't seen that before.
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 30, 2007, 08:47:51 AM
Yup, a couple panels in the doors and the inside bottom are red heart. For comparison, the corner pieces are white sap yellow birch. ;D
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: chet on January 30, 2007, 07:48:05 PM
Around here it's sometimes called Cherry Birch. Price is in da Cherry category.   ;)
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 30, 2007, 07:52:38 PM
Chet, up here cherry birch is what you guys call black birch below the snow line ;)
Title: Re: Sawing yellow birch
Post by: jpad_mi on January 31, 2007, 06:40:15 PM
I bought some red oak cabinets from a company in Quebec and the carcasses were made of "red birch" plywood. It sounds like it is really yellow birch with red heartwood. The stuff has very striking color contrast and is beautiful. . I wish the entire cabinets were made of the same wood.