...but nailed the boat and the truck. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YGTplngqnQ&NR
Nice low stump.
Whellll! It seemed that he spend entirely too much time with the saw in that tree!
After about 1/2 the time, I'd be a looking for a place to hide!
N
There are so many things wrong with that. I know nothing about cutting down tree's, and counted several things...
1. Drop pull on the saw.
2. No safty gear...at all.
3. Parked his truck right next to the tree
4. Wedges were in the truck when he needed them.
5. "Repaired" rope
6. That notch looked awfully small.
I'm sure most of you have a much longer list than me.
i'd have started by sharpening my chainsaw first!
I think the first item would have been to get someone who how to cut a tree. ::)
Did you here the homeowner come in at the end asking about insurance? :D That was a little late in my humble opinion. :D
A good video for wanna-be tree cutters to watch, as well as others. And agree on the dull chain.
Apparently the worldly goods that were crunched were not too important. ::)
The notch seemed to be placed just where the tree fell, although one couldn't tell that fer sure.
There were several other video's on tree cutting along this one as well. One where the tree top was cut out. Almost could see Chet up der.
Thanks for the post. :)
The closed notch and lack of PPE were the first things I noticed. Did he go back to cutting the notch after driving the wedge in? It is a wonder he did not kill himself.
At least he didn't stop to refuel the saw. :D
nothing makes scrape quicker than a well placed tree. 8)
insurance don't cover acts of stupidity....lets hope he gets a blind adjuster to appraise it. ;D
Looks like he was making the back cut about a foot above the scarf... no effective hingewood at at all. The tree just fell where if felt like falling :D
They seem to have missed the bit where he said "Hey Bubba, hold my beer and watch this!!"
Cheers
Ian
Quote from: leweee on February 18, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
nothing makes scrape quicker than a well placed tree. 8)
insurance don't cover acts of stupidity....lets hope he gets a blind adjuster to appraise it. ;D
I asked our fleet adjuster if they cover stupidity and he replied "Sure we do, all the time". :D :D
SAD !!!! thank god no one said he was a perfessional !!!!!!
You could tell as soon as he started w/ the stump height it wasn't going to have a good result!!
I guess the biggest mistake he made was allowing someone to video tape him. Not only that, but he was bragging about where he was going to place it. :D
I'm not the greastest man with a saw, but I do think I could have just wiped out the front of the pick-up.. hahaha
At least there was a certain safety factor involved.........it was downed in daylight!! :D
I have to ask ... whatsa wrong with drop starting your saw .. I have been doing that ever since I have been working with them . ???
QuoteI have to ask ... whatsa wrong with drop starting your saw .. I have been doing that ever since I have been working with them
Nothing... if everything goes right, but if it misfires or you loose your footing you are only holding it with one hand, there is a chance you could end up with the bar stuck in your leg, at fast idle.
Lots of folks drop start all the time, and dont get hurt... but every now and then someone has a nasty accident :o It's sorta like running with scissers ;)
It's just safer to start it on the ground, or if thats not practical with the rear handle held by your knee.
Cheers
Ian
I agree, it should never be a problem until it starts and cuts off your leg then it might be a slight inconvenience for the rest of your life.
I aint going to argue about how to start your saw ... but I aint ready to have my saw between my legs to start it ... I do , though make sure I have good footing before starting my saw and also have a good hold of it .
I don't know of one single documented case where someone cut themselves drop starting a saw but now having said that I drove a guy to the hospital that sunk a running chain into his leg and it wasn't pretty.
I guess it's like not wearing a seatbelt.
It isn't worth taking a chance in my opinion.
If I drop start a saw on the job and I get cut then workmans compensation becomes an issue.
It's far more secure with the handle locked between your legs.
I have made an extremely conscious (sp/) effort to start and walk with my chain brake on if the saw is running.
safety is cheap compared to an injury.
The GOL (game of logging) teaching is to not drop start (which I do, but always have the chaps on), but also not start unless the chain brake is on. That also keeps the saw from spinning the chain upon start-up. Not sure I like that, but have been doing it (brake on, drop start). Also, the GOL says no more than one step without the brake on. I have to keep reminding myself of dat one. Knicked my chaps couple weeks ago when reaching for a fallen wedge, and the chain moving slowly on idle. Didn't move my feet, but also didn't have the brake on. Lots of things to remember to do everything just right. Good to have good habits. ::)
But then, the 'between the legs' starting makes me a bit nervous and gun shy too. :o :)
I have been using the drop method for nearly 40 years and really don't know what the ruckus is over. You're using the inertial mass of the saw to counteract the pull of the rope. Works very well. Getting down on the ground with the saw between your legs is a technique designed by a committee. :D
beenthere;
When setting the choke on my 066 it starts cold with the chain spinning, I wouldn't want the brake set when that happens but I want the saw secure that's for sure.
I usually try and start that one on the ground when I can.
logwalker;
The idea behind the drop start is that you only have one hand on the saw and the bar is rocking down towards your legs as you start it.
You have less control of the saw as opposed to having it solid on the ground or locked between your legs.
When the pull cord catches it really rocks the saw and it's difficult to hold secure with one hand.
You can start your saw any way you like but it's important for people to know there are other options and the safest method for starting a saw isn't drop starting.
I am a southpaw and developed the bad habit of drop starting by holding the saw with my right hand. Until the day I knicked my pantleg just below a wad of keys in my pocket :o I sat down had a coffee and NEVER did that again..
I think that the drop start is a good example of where familiarity can breed complacency, in other words, after having a saw in your hands for several hours a day you may start to lose the initial respect/fear that you had for the moving chain and the damage it can do. Before you even realize it you are drop starting the saw with a loose grip or with a grip that angles the bar toward your leg as you move your left arm downward rather than a grip which forces the potentially moving chain away from any body parts. Let me give you my real world example and keep in mind that I am 46 years old with over 30 years experience using saws with a probable ratio of 5,000 drop starts to 1 of any other type of start that I have ever employed.
Last fall I had a hot 3120 in my hands, jacked up compression and advanced timing, that I have made many cuts with. I had already removed my chaps but I just needed to make one cut to trim a log while a few guys were standing there waiting so I felt like "let`s get `er done!". I grabbed the saw in my left hand, checked the ON switch with my right and went directly to the pull handle and gave it a tug, the same way that I always start that saw. Lucky for me it didn`t start because it spun in my left hand and smacked me hard in my left shin, and let me tell you that hurt!.........but not nearly as much as a spinning chain would have! A couple of guys saw what had happened and they were just as shook up as I was, thankfully my little lesson was graphically shared with them.
Now I`m not saying that I don`t still drop start but I am alot more careful about my grip and the position of the saw relative to my body with the expectation that I am making the saw a dangerours weapon by starting it. I can`t advocate anyone else drop starting a saw which is statistically far more dangerous than a "nutcracker" start but we can all take measures to make a drop start safer.
Oh...., a Chevy pickup...., nothing of value damaged then ;D
Quote from: leweee on February 18, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
nothing makes scrape quicker than a well placed tree. 8)
insurance don't cover acts of stupidity....lets hope he gets a blind adjuster to appraise it. ;D
Awefully hard to get any sleep on the job when stuff comes crashing down. ;D
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That's right, we carry'm piggyback up here. ;D
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;) :D :D
Of course you didn't drop dat dere tree on dat skidder now did you. :D :D
dangle_smileyswampdonkey no_no
you been in my photos again :o ::)
that last photo should read" no skidders are not full length forwarders"
That white stake he was trying to hit must have ran over and jumped in the boat, it certainly had enough time. ;D
Mark
The guy's on TV the other day , where ten feet off the ground on a spring board , chopping away at a tree with an axe .. they would of had time to cut it and shake hands and have a beer , with the time it took him to do the job . :D :D :D
Quote from: MDP on February 20, 2007, 01:54:36 AM
That white stake he was trying to hit must have ran over and jumped in the boat, it certainly had enough time. ;D
Mark,
that is funny...I've got tears running down my cheeks I'm laughing so hard
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was trying to load the tree into the boat, and then pull it to the mill with the truck!
(ya know how to tell if a poly-tician is lying? 'Is lips are moving!) :D
:)
N
:D :D :D :D You guys are too funny.