;D
Can ya tell from whats laying here? I'll say that I am trying to build something to help accomplish something that is in my Forest Management plan wrote for our property by Ron Scott. :)
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I know, I know!
"Might" be able to get you a loaner if you'd rather. ;)
I got a wheel barrow that looks just like that !
Well, I think I know why it got sacrificed. My uncle had a wheel barrel just like it. It bottomed out and started rubbing on the wheel so you couldn't push the Dang thing any longer. I can't imagine what your converting it into though unless it's for skidding to keep the buts of logs from gil-poking into the ground. Kinda like a skid cone.
I'd be with SD on this one....skidding cone ;D
If it is, I'm wrong. :-\
Nope furb, you may be right. Message me about the one you have, Cause if this one doesnt work, I may need back-up. I've never used one or seen one up close, but I know the prinipal of operation and hope I can make it work from there. (that is IF you are right! ;) )
I think the next picture will give it away, so I'll wait. ;D
A new helmet for the Boss to protect him from the Boss Lady? ::) :D :D :D :D
Actually my vote is a makings of a pull scoop for cleaning out a pond. Jeff, who is going to drive the atv and who is going to operate the scoop? ??? ;D
Farmerdoug
Jeff,
If you have use of a tractor, we have a 3 point hitch one not being used for a while.
Farmerdoug
I wanna see the video of the first time ya use it. ::) ::) :D :D :D :D :D
Could be some interesting video, EH ??? Hang on tight ;D ;D ;D
I just made a big long post and somehow closed the tab. >:(
I'll be back when I am done gnashing my teeth. >:( :D
I ain't never done that before. ::) :D
Jeff,
Save that energy for the pond. 8)
Are you sure the Boss Lady did not just edit your post for you? ???
Farmerdoug
Quote from: Fla._Deadheader on June 09, 2007, 10:19:56 PM
I wanna see the video of the first time ya use it. ::) ::) :D :D :D :D :D
Could be some interesting video, EH ??? Hang on tight ;D ;D ;D
Yes the first tree root or stump will be quite a shock to the shoulders, Jeff. :o
I think you need Furby there to help you out. ;) ;D
Farmerdoug
I used one of those once. :)
Can't really remember where I left it and haven't looked for it either. ;D
I thin you are going to use it for Item #4 on the list. It is some sort of dredging pan like they used to pull behind ATVs horses.
Dave
I'm going up tomorrow with my sister and brother in law. They are coming back Wednesday and I may, or may not come back with them. Where I need to use a pull bucket is in dredging the little intermittent stream area Ron Scoot talks about in my management plan so it has some watering holes. I can't use a tractor back there, at least not without changing some things I don't want changed. I can either use the quad, or probably chain the quad to a tree and use the winch. I have a 16 foot remote, so theatrically, I could do this by myself. If I dont come back with Lynda, Tammy will come fetch me on the weekend. The Harrison Engine show is Saturday, so I have a little incentive to come home. :D
I knew those masonary blades would come in handy one day...
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I'll go over to my friend's house in Stalwart tomorrow after we get up there, and weld a chunck of angle iron across the front top as a strengthener. I'll probably attach the handles tomorrow while I'm waiting for my ride.
I'm cheap, and I try to make stuff that will get me by the easiest way I can. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. If it were dry enough, or gets dry enough to get a tractor back there, I can use Lou's John Deere and backhoe. That may still be an option.
I've had this big wheeled mower in the barn and it aint been started in 7 years. I put gas in it yesterday, primed it with th push bulb, and it started first time. You can set this mower up over 5 inches off the ground. I'm going to try to use it for a rough terrain mower. I aint got nothing to loose if it don't work. Its a 5 horse, so its big for a pusher. What I did was drilled a hole in the front of the deck and put in a stud. I had another tool in the barn that I hope to never ever use again for its intended purpose, and thats a shingle ripper. I bored a hole in the blade, dropped it over the stud, put a pin in it, and now I can drop the handle of the shingle rake over the ball on the quad. Should work fine for a tow bar as its all metal construction with steel pins holding it all together. :)
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Deadheader, you know me, I document everything. :D I'll have the camera. I've even got hopes of setting up the laptop in my woods with a webcam if I get a good connnection. That way you can see when to send help, or worse case, the recovery team.
One more picture of the dredge/ pull bucket/ whateveritis as it stands right now. I dont know why it wont work in that muck.
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When I was a lot younger, I was using one of those dirt scoops behind a horse to clean out a spring for cattle water. The scooped hooked on a ledge rock just as the horse made a big pull and I almost ended on the horses back. :o
I think the winch would be a good idea, slow and steady.
Bob
You have some good ideas....hope they work. For a suggestion, put some kind of kill switch on the mower engine, as it may flip easy and trying to get to it while it is running might be a bit dicey. A string to the plug wire might be enough. bt ;D
This gonna be fun, so have a good time. :)
Here is a pdf of some old pics of a dirt slip and the like.
The Fresno Scraper (http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landmarks/5550.pdf)
Bob, thats what this is, this is a spring feeds stream, the springs originate right there close to where I want to dredge. I wonder, could a guy get a drinking water source in a sping in a swamp?
Suction in the muck may be higher then you think. ;)
Clean up the spring and have the water tested, ya never know. :)
Quote from: beenthere on June 09, 2007, 11:09:01 PM
You have some good ideas....hope they work. For a suggestion, put some kind of kill switch on the mower engine, as it may flip easy and trying to get to it while it is running might be a bit dicey. A string to the plug wire might be enough. bt ;D
Already got that covered and tested. :) The mower has a squeeze handle. You know the kind, you squeeze them together before you can pull the starter cord to start it. I have a spring attahced to a cord that goes around the handle, and comes up and connects to the hitch on the tow vehicle. The spring tention keeps the handle together, but if the mower somehow comes unhooked form the quad, the cord pulls the spring off, killing the mower engine. :)
Furby, suction should be irrelevant other then me trying to walk behind the scoop. :)
They are called "slip scrapers" or "road scrapers". I think you will find you need to attach the pull chains lower on the sides or you will not be able to hold it from tipping forward. Check out this picture for the original design: Scraper (http://www.shelbycountyhistory.org/schs/industry/scraper.htm)
I started thinking that as well after looking at some photos in a search I just did. Well, I got a drill up there. ;D
Slush scraper is what my Grandpa called it.
Him and my Uncle used one behind the jeep to fill a low spot with sand after they put the addition on.
Never used it again either! ;) ;D
Starting a pool on my suction theory Jeff ???
A neighbor tried to give me one (like that in Gary C's attached article). His Dad's farm is for sale, and none of his brothers wanted it. I used it years ago to dig out rocks and move dirt, behind an LA Deere. Quite a combination of wife driving and me running the slip (what I always heard it called). Maybe I should try to get ahold of it.....now that I have the quad ;D ;D
Takes some leverage to hold it in just the right position to dig some, but not dig too much to cause it to roll (flip) forward. But as a young boy, used to watch two or three teams being used to dig house basements with them. And they were used extensively for building the railroad beds and right-of-ways I believe.
How will it form suction if its cutting through? Where will you have to pull air? long as you are not "displacing the muck", "you wont get suck". ;D If you are taking the muck along, it can't form suction.
beenthere, I had been contemplating the position of the chain and thinking about the flipping thing. My thoughts were, since I am using it probably with a slow winch, I wanted the control to be back in the handles. If I put the chain hear the center, I could take advantage of the handles as levers in both directions. Either to keep from digging, or to tip forward to dig harder. If the thing only takes out a 1/2 dozen big shovel fulls at a time, I think I'll be satisfied. If the work is easy, I dont care how slow it is. ;D
You hit the nail directly on the head
Quotetheatrically, I could do this by myself.
::) ::) :D :D That's why I suggested the Video.
A couple holes near the top on the back, will let the water through, instead of making a REALLY big mess ??? Ever see a dragline bucket ???
Ya noticed I used the word theatrically not theoretically ;)
Yep, water holes are planned. :)
I'm guessing from your posts that this is non sticky muck ???
Yea, its full of humus. Woody debris. I use the word muck loosely. Ice loves the stuff...
Before
and after :D
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Well it's really sounding like fun................. for us! :D :D :D
Wish I could drive up......... and watch. ;D :)
Get as far as our place and come with Tammy next weekend.
It's fine to attach the chains where they are. Then make hooks lower and farther forward for when you are loading and then unfasten from the loading hooks and it will almost self dump.
No matter how you attach the pull chains, running that scraper is going to "suck". :D
Save your shoulders and use the back hoe! ;D ;D
It's hard to get stuck with a back hoe, not impossible, but very hard. :D
This is pretty much what the stuff looks like accept the photos are not from the area I want to clean out. I know HOW I want to do it. It would only take a few minutes, provide a very natural looking area, and create some excitement at the same time. HOWEVER, I probably better keep that knowledge from getting me in trouble. Even though I can get everything I need. ::)
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Gary, its not that I am worried so much about getting stuck, as with the front end loader and the bucket, you can pretty much get out of most predicaments. Its the fact that this area of the property is quite secluded and in the back corner and will take quite a bit to get a trail cut to it. Every time I go up things look different, so maybe the backhoe will work. I dunno.
The roots are what will give you fits.......... :).
Yep. I got my "Knot Clipper" double bit sharpened and packed.
Its just a crying shame that McVeigh and all of the creeps since him have destroyed the honest guys ability to go out and use tools that until then, were tools. I don't know if there are still blasting contractors around, but I bet if there are, the insurance they must carry rules out the average joe being able to hire one. I know all the basics. Seen a few ponds "dug" with fertilizer as I was growing up. I have the experienced help if I wanted it too. Just a shame. :-\
I was reminded of that today as I was cleaning out the fertilizer boxes on my planter, with a water hose of course. A neighbor once told me he always used diesel fuel to clean his as it softened up the crusted fertilizer better. I did not know at that time what those two ingredients could do, but he always waited till the next spring to empty his so I never had to follow his advice. ::) ::)
I've never seen muck that looked like that. Is that the bear potty? :D
I think that resulting mix is a couple millennium's worth of being a lowland conifer forest.
LINK (http://www.dnr.state.mi.us/publications/pdfs/huntingwildlifehabitat/landowners_guide/Habitat_Mgmt/Forest/Lowland_Conifers.htm)
Quote from: Jeff B on June 09, 2007, 11:13:30 PM
Furby, suction should be irrelevant other then me trying to walk behind the scoop. :)
I can see someone now standing up to his arm pits in quick sucking mud. Them holes can be deep and yes some have good water as long as there is good lateral flow and not stagnation. If the water wells up then it could be good too. These old springs were a good source of water on the farm when the crew was picking rocks or taters. But they were on more upland sights generally coming from hardwood or a drainage with cedar on each side, but eminating from a hardwood or mixed forest. There were 3 springs here on the farm. ;D
Grandfather dug the cellar with an old Volkswagon hood and the horse. I remember seeing that old hood up on the rock pile for years. ;D
Jeff,
Becareful who you tell about your project. M@D%N^R just may have a say in what you are planning. The governmnet just about controls everything already you know. ::)
Farmerdoug
Jeff,
I'm real interested in this contraption . I have some muck I'd like to clean out and you will be R&D for me !
Yea, I know Doug. Grumble mumble. I thought of that possibility. I only plan on removing enough material in a small area to create a watering area. The spoils will remain right there and if someone ever becomes a problem, I'll create the means to put it back.
I'll probably have all kinds of fun when we decide to build. Ya know it costs 500 bucks for the first acre to have the DEQ come out and do a site analysis? And they could say NO, show us acre number two?
In my heart I feel I am the best thing that could have ever happened to this property. But I imagine that won't be any advantage. I could have been the guy that bought it that knows that the cedar on it is worth more then I paid for the property. If I bought that with that attitude, I could clear cut the whole thing and absolutely destroy the area legally and completely because it would never return to what it is right now. However by being the guy that will preserve it and enhance and improve it, I'll probably have to jump through hoops I don't know exist and spend money I don't have and break laws I know nothing about and written to not save a resource, but designed to generate fines and funds. I Look around me at what goes on in that area. Its clear that if you have enough bucks, you can do anything you want, environment be damned.
Below is a map that shows the new road (private road) that has been built through the old Draper tract. Several thousand acres are being developed by a group of investors. This road, and all of its spurs leading to the investment properties on the Saint Marys river and Lake Huron cut through tons of property indistinguishable to mine. Lowland conifers. Cedar Swamp. This road is probably the best unpaved road in the whole east end of the Upper Peninsula, and it goes for miles and obviously is costing in the millions to build. I don't know how they did it, but they are doing it and they have changed not only that woodland, but all of those around. That was unbroken land. I believe it to be the main reason our bears have stopped coming. That unbroken woodland from there to us was bear heaven. I dare say that raised road, the drainage along it, the many many many acres that have been used simply dozed up and used to build and then bury the material that is removed to create the road (the road continues to expand), has created a barrier.
Anyhow, as I get older, I get more jaded. I resigned from a forest education association when the light came on and I understood that my ideals were different from the industry that funded it. Those ideals changed with the lumber markets, not with the health of the resource. I couldn't and wouldn't deal with certain elements there any longer. I also think our State has reached a state where they have to do whats could for the pocket book and that rules all decisions.
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Well Tim, Stay tuned! :D It could be great fun for somebody... :D
Jeff,
On your question about getting water from a spring hole. I have seen people drive a point into them 5 to 10 feet or more and some times get a flowing well.
Might be worth a try.
We just happen to have a point! ;D
I understand completely Jeff, When the wife and I bought our piece it was an overgrown mess. We want to clean up muck and selectively cut to allow the lot to be healthy again .The horror stories about wetlands etc. sure give you pause. I fear ill- informed people who join committees to "protect the environment" that have never been in the woods with a forester, yet make decisions that affect all of us .
Jeff,
We had a Fresno scraper growing up on a dairy farm. We made circular patterns around the area where we were moving dirt, taking a cut that was maybe an inch deep on each pass. The angle of the handle determined the depth of cut. The handle all the way down let you carry the dirt to where you wanted to dump and you lifted the handle up to vertical to dump. Trying to spread out the load by holding the angle was impossible, just dump it in a pile and spread it out later. A rope tied to the end of the handle was necessary to bring the handle down to a working height. Even then the kid (me) had to play bulldogger, hang onto the rope and dig his heels in to get things into a digging angle. It WAS a rodeo, but without the clown...well sorta.
Theo
smiley_sombrero
Jeff B
Gettin into the muck yet?
Imagine you are out havin a great time playin and workin. Hope it's goin well, and the weather is great (as it is here) :)
Curious about your connection, but see you did get a post up this am.
We called those things slip scoops; don't want to be a nay-sayer, but I don't think the sheet metal is heavy enough to hold up to the usage.
Probably is heavy enough to give him a good whack under the jaw though. ::) :o :o :'(
Farmerdoug
Yeah I hope he's careful with the contraption. When I was a kid, I got a big gash above the eye brow, just for falling a dang car hood.