WDH came by my place this evening and we took a walk around my property. He was like a kid in a candy store running from one tree or plant to the other. He was rattling off names like it weren't nothing....til he got to this one.
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He had a guess to what it was, but just wasn't sure. I couldn't believe he was stumped. :o I looked up his guess and I think he got it right. 8)
Danny will be covering some of the other plants on this post in the future.
We had a lot of fun visiting, looking at trees, and talking about wood in general. Even started the day off with a lumber ID test...he passed with flying colors. ;D
Anybody know what it is?
Stew
Looks like a type of bay by the leaf, but I've never seen a flower? like that before on anything. I sure wish I could have been there. I wish mother nature would have treated you better too. ;)
Don
I know what it looks like, but it isn't. But, I know it's related. Seems we had this plant before to ID. I forget the name of it, but I know the name of it's cousin up here in the Noth. ;D
SD, now that you mention it, I think you are right that we ID'd this plant before. In retrospect, I'm not sure if we positively identified the plant. I will say WDH was thinking on the same lines though.
Stew
Nothing like a good review ;).
I followed WDH when he toured my place and wish now i has carded each tree. he is a knowledge base that i turn to often.
Thanks again WDH
Richard
I have to agree with that. I'm thinking seriously about flagging mine temporarily and writing the names on the flagging, til I learn what they are. ;)
Stew
:D :D I've had to flag some of my trees, but to be able to find them again. Hardwood seedlings. ;D
Richard and Stew,
Looks like a second visit (with flagging in tow) is in order :).
It is a stinking shame that y'all can't ID this plant ;).
It sure is a stinker. ;D
But for the flower, it looks kinda like a Paw Paw.
And we get a nibble from Florida...............though not the right one. ;)
WDH, you are welcome here any time.
Stew
Do I smell a fishy-like odor ???.
Stew told me so I can't say. I wonder if you could get any extract to make trot line bait.
Don
That may be too spicy for the quarry. :)
Stew
Actually is a very good attractant in fish soap for trotlines.
I believe that the flower in Radar67's post is a seed pod. I have many of these plants on my place here are a couple of pictures of the flower and seed pod.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13895/Seed_Pod_003770_070907.JPG)
OK, OK, Illicium floridanum, but you know, all the keys specifically call out a red petiole.
That is correct Riles. It is an Anise tree.
Stew
OK. Here is another one.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12911/STDSC06518.jpg)
That looks a bit like Blue Beech.
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Tom nailed this one.
Whaduiwin! Whaduiwin!
I'll sleep good tonight. Pretty good guess, eh?
What about this fruit?
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Burning bush.
I know that too, but I'm not saying anything. Somehow it feels like I'm cheating. :D
Quote from: Tom on September 13, 2007, 09:20:49 PM
Whaduiwin! Whaduiwin!
I'll sleep good tonight. Pretty good guess, eh?
You win an all expense paid trip to ................well, not really. In fact, all you win is the reputation as an awesome tree ID expert ;D.
Burning bush? You mean the thing that Moses saw? Nope.......... :).
I think he means eastern wahoo, AKA Euonymous sumpthin'r'another ;D.
I know it too, and I must say, that's a pretty sweet ID challenge ;).
Some type of Magnolia? I know next to nothing about IDing trees. Just a guess.
LeeB,
You are on a roll! Don't stop now..............
I think ya'll have taught me enough to know that sweet bay is a member of the magnolia family and with the previous clue that's gonna be my guess.
Lee, if I remember correctly, I believe you are right. :)
Stew
Lee.... 8).
Yahoo!! Goes to show you, you can teach an old dog.
Way to go, Lee!!
Educate me some more. Would this also be known as bay laurel, or is that something different?
No, it isn't the same tree.
Laurus nobilis, Lauraceae is a true bay. It is the one that is used for seasonings and is a mediteranian plant.
The sweet bay we have in the Southeast is a Magnolia (Magnolia virginiana)and is also called a swamp sweet bay. It's leaves are not known to be used for spice. It's wood, with the peculiar grain, is similar to the other magnolias. It' s fruit is a cone shaped thing that contains red seeds, just like the picture that WDH posted, whereas the true laurel has black berry type fruits. It also has a small, magnolia shaped flower.
Red Bay Lauraceae Persea borbonia is our version of the Laurus nobilis. Usually a small tree in today's woods, it has the capability of becoming a large tree that produces saw logs. It's wood was known as Florida Mahogany in the 1900's, though there is is a true Mahogany in S. Florida which this is not.
Red Bay has a sweet smell and its leaves are used for spice, the same as the laurus nobilis. Unfortunately, a virus has entered the USA in the 1990's that is decimating the Red Bay. It may not be long before we have no Red Bays left. There is no cure. Link to the article (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070413153658.htm)
Below is a snip:
Foresters are reporting a rising death toll of native red bay trees (Persea borbonia) along the coast of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. The disease is spreading rapidly, say scientists.
Clemson University researchers and S.C. Forestry Commission personnel are collaborating with their colleagues in other states to try to solve this deadly problem.
"Currently, there is no cure or known control for the disease," said Steve Jeffers, Clemson plant pathologist.
Thank you Tom. The only reason I managed to guess the sweet bay was from reading posts by you about it. I guess I confused the red bay with the laurel which I also remebered you mentioning and saying that the leaves were used for seasoning. I like to cook and knew that bay laural was used so i mistakenly crossed the two up.
Well, it might pay to know them both. Laurus nobilis (http://www.floridata.com/ref/l/laur_nob.cfm) is sold as a nursery plant and I'm sure it can be found in the USA as well. Bays and magnolias are special Southern trees. It's kind of neat having something that not many others have, dontcha think? :)
That is surely true Tom, but I don't reckon a distinguished gentelman such as yourself needs an old tree to set him apart from the crowd. Thanks for the information. I will try to get it to stick in this vast empty cavern head of mine.
And a big thank you to all the rest of you dendro fellows for the education I get on this board. I just wish some of you were closer to me for a more intense study coarse.
OK. Here is another one. This is one Tom will surely love!
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:-X Uh Oh!
Ligustrum? Maybe a Privet?
Nope.
Surely you Southern Coastal members have seen this one?
Is it related to willow ? The fruit sure looks it.
No. However, Swamp, this one grows in swamps ;D.
Well........it's not a palm.......oh wait I take that back...I do see someone's palm. ;D
You mean we found one to stump the Donk? ;)
In all fairness, it ain't indigenous to him :D.
Yeah, but I been around. ;D
Some type of capsule, puts it with the heaths...............
Quote from: WDH on September 14, 2007, 12:03:23 PM
OK. Here is another one. This is one Tom will surely love!
Well Tom? ;)
Harlow only has keys for the NE. :-X
I still say it's in the willow family. ;D
No so.
A clue........Small tree up to 30 feet tall, spreading crown, often forming dense, impenetrable thickets.
I'm just waiting to read the latin name so i can unleash my Salicaceae link on ya. ;D
Very salicacious of you ;D.
Think about racemes.............specifically, as in epithet wise :). Those are some very very nice racemes ;).
Well we can rule out chokecherry. ;D
Well.........then......hmmm....must be.....
Leucothoë racemosa swamp sweetbells ;D
Nope, not dog hobble. I was sure that Tom would know this one ::).
Seems to be a little cryptic, doesn't it Danny? ;)
I don't think it's even native. ;D
Not to New Brunswick :D.
OK. the specific epithet is racemiflora. Racemes, you know :).
Well if Tom ain't seen it down there, it don't exist. ;D :D :D :D :D :D
I know, now were getting silly. ;)
Oh, he has seen it for sure. We are going to have to get the Dodgy Loner back, if y'all don't shape up ;D.
While we were at Moultrie, DanG called Dodgy. He was working on his Master's Thesis. His defense is only a few weeks away, so he is nose to the grindstone. Tying to stay away from the Forum because posts are like Lays Potato Chips.........you can't just read one ::).
I wish I was on that panel. ;D :D :D :D
Well I'm hoping he does well, for sure.
But, in the meantime I found our little plant. ::)
Swamp cyrilla Cyrilla racemiflora
You really have to study those Audubon pages real close to figure out some shrubs they have in there. The one picture they have of that plant looks like they wanted to show the thicket from far away instead of a closeup of leaves and flowers.
Even Dodgy will tell ya that book is not so great. ::)
The pic on the Virginia Tech website is a good one. http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=409.
You did good, SD ;D.
Doggone it, you answered it before I decided to. It's TiTi :D
http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/Titi/titi.htm
I've been looking all over the web for a picture of Ty Ty.