I've been remodeling an old farmhouse on one corner of my property, and am recovering the outside with board and batten siding combined with live-edge siding under the eaves. All of the siding has been kiln dried.
As per Arky's recommendations in an earlier post, I am planing all of my siding. This past weekend we planed over 5000 square feet of 4/4 SYP, and in the process filled up two 5 yard dump truck loads with shavings from the planer.
Just for grins, I decided to make the porch trim boards from a single board. The porch is 40' long, and so I milled some 1 x 12 x 40's on my Peterson sawmill.
Here are some photos of the 40' boards during the planing process:
(modified to include revised photo with higher resolution).
Scott
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DanG!
How many people could do that? It is great when you can do something really unique like that to give a place a special character. That is not something that a person can go out and buy. Really special, Scott.
That's something you can do, WDH. I wish I could sometimes. I always get requests for stuff longer than I can cut. If I could cut that 43', they'd ask for 50'. :D
That reminds me of Tim Garrison, owner of the Perkinston MS WM facility. He has a LT 15 set up to cut long timbers ( pics in Stew's gallery). He said cutting long stuff is not hard, the hard part is finding a tree big enough that is straight enough to cut what you want. ;)
Good going Scott.
Don
Yep, thats some long boards right there. Really cool, Scott! But the really, really cool thing is that someday after you're dead and gone and nobody knows who did that, somebody's gonna say, "Hey, look at that! That's one long board all the way across this whole house! I wonder who did that?!?"
Yea Scott, you oughta sign and date it on the back side with a permanent marker because one day it will come off and maybe someone will see it. When I start building furniture I am going to sign in inconspicious places.
Don
Nice boards!! I was looking at a logosol newspaper, they had the guinness book of records 2x4 in there. I can't remember, I think it was 80-90' long. Some guy sawed it out of a spruce in sweden if I remember right.
Cool stuff Scott!
I'm with the other guys, sign and date the back of that board.
That second picture looks almost fake,but I know it's not.Just don't see board like that.Thanks for the pictures.
yeah, especially in 1x12. :)
Great looking stuff Scott. I agree with the other guys - a signature would be cool. But I think you should get a personalized branding iron and put your brand on the outside. Can't wait to see the finished project.
LOGDOG
I need to cut some 24' 2"x8"'s for a friend and I though that would be long :-[ Great pics and most certanly sign that board.
go to any box store lumber desk & try ordering that, great job 8) 8) 8) :D
Scott,
Did you have any trouble with snipe when you planed those long boards? I just wondered with all the weight way out on the one end how they did.
LOGDOG
I knew he got all of that track for somethin' ;)
Guys, thanks for the comments and advice re signing the board! I'll do that (and one of the reasons that I made it that long - other than "because I can" is to see folk's reaction as they study the board and try to find a splice!
Landon, I have a problem with snipe on the last few inches of my planed boards with my planer. I have the bed rollers set up a bit in order to help feed the boards, and at each end sometimes I'll get some snipe. If you feed one board right behind another it helps to limit it. I did not have a problem with the planer feeding the board though (20" spiral insert cutterhead 7.5HP 3phase Grizzly Z series). I used some roller tables on the infeed and outfeed and also helped to push/pull the board through.
I like your "branding iron" idea too!
Thecfarm - re the photo quality - yeah, it's a bit blurry. I reduced the quality quite a bit in order to upload it, and it was starting to get dark when I took the photo. I had to back up so far to get the entire board into the picture that the flash was ineffective.
Here's another shot of the board going through the planer:
Scott
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Scott, that one photo is only 4k not 40 and the last one is only 13. You gotta lotta room for more quality if ya wanna try again. ;)
Nice board! :
:D
I have a roller system I made from a roller deck out of the local beer store, it's 12 ft. long with staggered rollers the entire length of it
It's great for those long boards but never have I tried anything close to that board length.
Hope you don't have to cross a busy road with it! ;D ;D
Robert
I did not mean the picture was blurry or anything else that may be wrong with the picture.I'm the last one to say anything bad.I don't do much better at times either.Sorry you took it the wrong way.I did not notice that.The picture just seems so unreal.Look how wide the board is for staters.And than the lenght.That's something you don't see every day.I don't want you to think that I'm picking this great feat apart. A good job by you and your helpers.
::)
I have an idea of what could be done with those boards.
You could make 1"x12"x12" cutting boards out of em.
:D :D :D
(Nice job and you have the FF record for length as I see it) ;)
Thecfarm - no offense taken on my part, but thanks anyway for your follow up comments!
I probably ought to remeasure it - I know the 40' part is correct but it may actually be a bit wider than 12". Since it's a wane edge board, the 12" was at the minimum point - parts of the rest of the board are probably in the 14" - 15" range.
Scott,
I was just wondering, when milling those long boards, did you stake down any of your tracks or just let them sit on the ground?
hans.
Way to go Scott. I have to agree with the suggestions on the stamp. Just looking at the board will leave people of later generations scratchin' their heads. Would also like to see the finished results. Once again, WAY TO GO ;) ;) ;)
Hans, I have 66' of track, and it is set up "quasi-permanently" beside my kiln. They are "low - low" tracks, and are not staked. However, for water runoff perposes I have about 1' of slope from end to end, and the tracks are installed level. Therefore, the support tubing for about 1/2 of the track length is set in gravel, which probably serves the same purpose as staking them. The other end of the track is slightly elevated above grade.
I finally measured the boards - the bigest one averaged 14" wide (one wane edge) and is 44' long. I'll end up triming it down slightly for the final installation.
I'll start updating this thread with progress reports on the farmhouse. The past few days we treated all of the board and battens with a Timbor treatment, and cut them to length. Tomorrow I hope to get the rest of the vertical boards installed. The wood preservative (TWP) should arrive - hopefully on Monday, and we'll be staining the installed boards, and battens later this week. We'll also treat the wane-edge siding and 44' trim boards with Timbor, and plan on staining them and installing later this week - weather permitting.
Jeff Mills (Dad2nine on the FF) sawed some nice 4/4 x 7" sycamore for me to use in the upstairs cathedral ceiling, and it's presently drying in the kiln. Processing it into v-groove T&G ceiling boards will be one of the first jobs for my new Baker M412.
Scott
Scott,
I can't wait to see that sycamore installed. Hopefully, some of it will be q-sawed. It will be striking. That is a fine use for sycamore since each board can move on its own, so it will likely behave itself ;D.
The Logosol paper had the plank as a 2x4x128'. Very impressive! I sawed out 50 2x6x31' a few weeks ago and everyone who saw them at the yard wanted to know why any one needed a board that long? Not sure but the check cleared the bank and the boards left on a gooseneck.
But a 44' 1x12 is quite a chunck of wood.
Arky - just wanted to say a quick "thank you" for a post you made a year or so back recommending planing board and batten siding. Before I read your post, I always installed it rough cut. This time I planed it and wow - what a difference it makes.
128' of 2x4 is a heck of a board - I'd like to have a whack of logs big enough to cut boards that long from!
Scott
Scott we need to find a brother out west that can find us a long stick to beat that record. I know they got longer sticks then that out there. Some swingers could get hooked up or a bunch of WMs. could do it. I can do 32' easy enough so we just need about 5 or 6 more mills and some bed extensions. I saw where WM one time in Mississippi cut some 70 ft stuff for a light house.
The real trick is not getting the equipment together that could do it but finding the stick we can get at. If a Helicopter could lift it to a small airport runway then we could all sit up and saw that little darling and make more then just a 2x4.
I've got logs here in N CA that will do it. I'll cover the first 30'. Gonna need some help though!
Arky, between you, me and Eric C - we're good for 122'! (I can mill 60' with my tracks). This would make a worthy roadtrip - even out to "the left coast"!
Eric - just how long a log can you get your hands on? I'm thinking that we ought to find out what the world records are and where the opportunities lie.
Scott
Let me do a little looking around....
I have fell many that cut into 3 40' logs and a couple 20 or 16's 8" tops
What a great project that would be!
Erik
How are you fellas gonna meld the woodmizer with those two Petersons? This I gotta see. ;)
LOGDOG
Was wondering that myself, but knowing these folks........ they'd find a way! :D
It's something I'd find a way to see, even if I had too walk!
Aw hell, knowing Arky, he's already got it figured out! :D
One option may be to dig a pit and set the woodmizer up in it, with Peterson track extending along the ground on each side. Mill the top with the petersons, and use it as an alignment for the woodmizer blade.
Gonna be kinda hard to get the band blade into the cut under the board. ;)
Be a real pain to have to walk the blade in from the end and then get it on the band wheels. :D
You'd have to cut back towards the Peterson with the WM.
Forgot to mention that I figured that the "mid log end" of the peterson cut would have a chainsaw cut from the bark to the edge of the cut, thus removing the slab from the top, and leaving an end that the bandsaw blad could start from.
Clear as mud? :D
I was thinking about cutting toward the Petersons as well. Flipping the blade would be the problem. If the log was under 10" at the small end we could flatsaw the whole thing, but I never saw a tree that thin and tall! I guess it may exist though. Theres more than 2 Petersons around here!! Arkansawyer could drive his economy car and be the mentor.
I've got 30' of Peterson track in Northern california.
I'm not quite following what you guys are talking about with regards to the Wood Mizer mill and Peterson tracks. Why not just hook all the tracks together and put one of the WPF mills on it?
I guess u would need quite a few bunks to set the log on aswell.
Hans.
I think you have the answer, but you have to deal with the WM boys now.
I see them puttin together some kind of track for the LT 15 leavin you swingers out of the picture......... ;D
You all sound like a bunch of kids (great!) but I have a few questions:
First, what would the taper be like for that long a tree and how would you take that into account?
Second, are you taking a board or a timber, say a boxed heart?
Third, how you gonna turn that monster for the second, third and final cuts?
Fourth, how you gonna move him/her to a place of honor in some building or shrine? You can't just cut it and leave it there, right? especially in the middle of a runway (imagine coming in to land in your 2-seater piper and finding that thing in your path- maybe you could straddle it, maybe not).
Last, and tied to number four, what purpose for the final product? Seems like that should come first, then the means of cutting it.
Not trying to be a wet-blanket here; just the opposite: you're more likely to get help when it comes to crunch time if everyone has some goal for using what you cut other than to just beat the record (although that can be a goal in and of itself). Maybe we can brainstorm some on just why you might need timbers that long? Shoot, once you've spent all the time, energy and money setting up to cut one, why not cut a bunch and build something that sets a record also? Like the barn with the biggest sill and/or top plates every made? Guiness might sit up and take notice of that...
Ideas?
Lj
That/those boards is/are awesome. 8) It would be interesting trying to store those boards from the perspective of a guy with a 30" long barn. :D :) 8)
If a log this long was cut on a Peterson there would be no log turning needed. Also no need to worry about taper, it would be impossible not to have a lot, but centering the log vertically with different height bunks would allow for accurate cutting and good yield. There would be boards from 10' on up. There would be a small percentage that were full length, but a lot would still be way long.
As usual material handling would be the biggest chore of the job.
I would try not to box the heart on something this long, but twist may be a problem either way in a tree length timber? Seems a timber of some size would be longer lasting in application, and more visible. Ridgebeams, sill plates, etc as mentioned sound good. That would be some barn-raising!!
Saw something a while back about cutting the world's longest 2X4. I think it was 104 feet. It was a promo done by Bailey's to show their Lucas line of mills. When the brain fog clears, I'll let you know where I saw it.
Theo
:P
It was a 114 foot 2x4 cut by Logosol, with the M7, in Madison, MS. There was a press release on the Moultrie site a few years ago. The article referenced the location as Madison, WI.
Actually there is a new record holder. His name is Anders Nykvist from Onsala in Sweden. His new record is 127.6 feet. Check out the article in this pdf. (page 15): http://www.logosol.se/media/_pdf/US/freshcut_usa_071101.pdf
LOGDOG
LJ - you bring up some good points. I'd like to add to your ideas:
Quote from: ljmathias on January 01, 2008, 04:02:44 AM
You all sound like a bunch of kids (great!) Who, us??!! but I have a few questions:
First, what would the taper be like for that long a tree and how would you take that into account?
RE: taking taper into account - if our goal is to produce a record, then a 2 x 4 would probably be the main end product, with some other boards/beams pulled off from the remainder of the log. With the swing mills, I think that I'd be tempted to bunk the log so that the top was relatively parallel to the tracks, make some cleaning passes and pull a quartersawn 2 x 4 out for record purposes. That should leave enough wood in the lower 2/3 of the log to also yield a couple of very large beams - perhaps a pair of 10" x 20" beams that were sawn out below the 2 x 4.
Second, are you taking a board or a timber, say a boxed heart?
See above.
Third, how you gonna turn that monster for the second, third and final cuts?
If we did the entire job with swing mills, we would not need to turn the log. If we incorpored some band mills into the project, then the thing to do would probably be to get a bunch of folks with Logrite cant hooks to turn it. It would probably be easiest using swingblade mills, as cutting a beam like this is where they really shine compared with a bandmill; howerver Arky is one of the originators of the idea and speaking personally it would be great to do a group project with "the Ankansas master"!
Fourth, how you gonna move him/her to a place of honor in some building or shrine? You can't just cut it and leave it there, right? especially in the middle of a runway (imagine coming in to land in your 2-seater piper and finding that thing in your path- maybe you could straddle it, maybe not).
Good point; some options would be to either mill it on site for wherever it was going to be used at (but then you have the difficulty of moving the log), or once the record is verified to cut the boards/beams down shorter into transportable lengths.
Last, and tied to number four, what purpose for the final product? Seems like that should come first, then the means of cutting it.
I think that the best purpose would be to have a group from the Forestry Forum teaming together to create a new worlds record.
Not trying to be a wet-blanket here; just the opposite: you're more likely to get help when it comes to crunch time if everyone has some goal for using what you cut other than to just beat the record (although that can be a goal in and of itself). Maybe we can brainstorm some on just why you might need timbers that long? Shoot, once you've spent all the time, energy and money setting up to cut one, why not cut a bunch and build something that sets a record also? Like the barn with the biggest sill and/or top plates every made? Guiness might sit up and take notice of that...
Those are some great points and good ideas. Looks like we need to keep our eyes and ears open for some potential applications for long beams.
Other than northern California, where else are untra large/long straight logs available at? Scott[/size]
Ideas?
Lj
Maybe you could auction off pieces of the world record for forum support. ;)
Great input, guys- I like the idea of an auction. Maybe we could carry the idea one step further and have regional contests: the South with SYP, the NE with whatever they have that's really tall and straight, and of course, CA with it's beautiful trees. Canada could easily participate as well.
Course, once we got the first board cut, we cut just nail that to another long tree and use a big chainsaw and something like a "beam machine" to cut some more. Than we could build a really long house or meeting center, or some other useful object.
sure is fun thinking of possibilities but we need a contest (maybe with a prize) to really get people motivated to participate: having your name in Guiness World Records only lasts as long as it takes the next guys to top your record, but building something neat for a community that will last for generations- that's worth doing.
Lj
OK Scott, since Furby volunteered ;D I'm in with my 45 feet of track. Anybody else?? We need another 30 feetof track for the record. Any trees that tall there Scott??
Captain
Trying to figure out what I volunteered to do. smiley_headscratch :-\
I would just buy a Swinger just to play this round.
What we need to find is someone like Super Rich (Bill Yates, ect...) that could use this in some multi million dollar home and have the bragging rights of having the record board. The FF sawed up that big redwood so why not hold the record for the longest plank.
But we have got to find the stick first and get it to where we can make boards.
Wonder how much interest the world's longest board would get on ebay.
A maual bandmill would also be a contender to saw the "big stick".
It would be more feasable to take the saw (and the bed extensions) to the tree, rather than the other way around.
Why not put some feelers out (surely some are watching) among the mill manufacturers and see if any want bragging rights for such a long stick. A manufacturer could furish a mill AND the extensions.
Braggin rights and paid sponsorship could possibly be gained within the industry also.
I am gonna have to rely on the rest of you to supply these candidates. One comes to mind that starts with a big W.
What we have here is the concept, and, a broad spectrum think tank.
OK who has the stick to cut up?? Have swinger, will solicit tracks, will travel...You're comin', right Furby?? Got anything like that in an Arkansas tree plantation, Arky?? I'm thinking major Forestry Forum event here....
Captain
Give me a direction and I'll start walking.
Got a warm front heading this way this weekend, so I'll to get where ever without freezing to death.
Arky has some biguns, but I think he may be falling short on this one! ;)
I'm really thinking this will be a West coast thing.
It sure as heck better not be a Canada thing, unless you are gonna wait until summer. ;)
Well, there is probably no snow to speak of up on the Charlottes, ya just have to deal with all the Dang rain. :D :D
Hey Craig - I'm wondering about a west coast roadtrip, via Sturgis! Mid August would be a nice time to be milling, and I'm already going to be headed that way with my truck and Softail. Adding the Peterson and track wouldn't be that big of an extra load...
Be nice for you to be able to write off a trip to Sturgis, too! ;D
Hey Steve - I know you've been holding out here; how much track do you want to contribute do this endeavor??? If you can't make it in person, send it with the Furbster!
SS
I almost dropped a double section at SAWLEX a few years ago, not sure I can pack it that far. :-\
Might be able to drag them, but they may be a little short by the time I make it to SD. ;)
What you guys need is some sponsors - Logrite, Patterson and Harley Davidson so furby don't have to walk so far ;D
I like TimberPro As a sponsor too;)
Captain
There's trees that tall here...it sure would be a long drive though. Theres several ranches here with plenty of room to work, and not trucking that log down the road would simplify things. Hayfork was a logging town but they left a couple standing!
Erik
OK, How do I get my Lucas involved? I feel left out. I got 40+ feet of rails.
I think peterson, Lucas, and a manual bandmill could all do this. But putting them together would be the trick, so why not three projects, 1 for each? Kind of a long log shooyout! But then we'd need three logs... Be a fun get together wherever it happens. Take lot's of pictures and compare what happens.
Erik
Nope, only need one log. :)
One of the swingers takes the first long board.
Next swinger takes the second.
Then the manual band takes the third.
I have the bandmill last as the "log" would weigh less then.
Now if you were actually trying to get in "The Book", the whole thing would have to be done as "they" see fit and that will probly be a log for each mill. ;)
Burlkraft, its lookin like you and I better start thinkin about our next road trip eh? Mebby Chet can come on this one. ;)
Can ya slow down enough for me to grab the bumper as ya go past ???
::)
AWW, the think tank is in action!
;) ;D
You jumping on board some how Haytrader ???
::)
Well, if ya look back, I did some "suggesting". ;D
I AM in the middle of the country and I DO have long trailers. :o
I guess I could hook both 56' trailers together to help you boys get yer log moved..................WOOPS...............I just thought about corners........ :D
Quote from: Jeff on January 03, 2008, 03:03:16 PM
Burlkraft, its lookin like you and I better start thinkin about our next road trip eh? Mebby Chet can come on this one. ;)
Sounds good to me ;D ;D ;D I ain't been anywhere fer a while and I got cabin fever ::) ::) ::)
I was also thinkin that the bandmill could roll on da wheels....Ya can cut a hundred footer with Furby's on a cart ;) ;) ;)
::)
Is the ocean floor level?
We may have to bring Furby up to the top for this project.
:D
Actually, you don't need any track with mine if you have a nice smooth concrete pad, it'll roll right along.
Just need to use a little fill in the expansion joints or find a fresh stretch of asphalt road and that's all we need. :) :) :)
I was wondering about tying two trailers together as well until I remembered corners! :D :D :D
We'll just tie it the the roof of three cars and have a lazy susan under it. ;)
We could just ship it UPS :D :D :D
I can fit inside the frame too, so I won't have to walk all that way! :)
Quote from: brdmkr on January 03, 2008, 11:43:07 AM
OK, How do I get my Lucas involved? I feel left out. I got 40+ feet of rails.
Brdmkr, I'm in too then. It would almost be too easy with a few Lucas guys, we have a simple way of setting up and adjusting for taper right where the tree falls. I think we need to go for 200'. :) Definately not an impossible task out here. :)
Quote from: solodan on January 03, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
Quote from: brdmkr on January 03, 2008, 11:43:07 AM
OK, How do I get my Lucas involved? I feel left out. I got 40+ feet of rails.
Brdmkr, I'm in too then. It would almost be too easy with a few Lucas guys, we have a simple way of setting up and adjusting for taper right where the tree falls. I think we need to go for 200'. :) Definately not an impossible task out here. :)
I'll have to get sponsors to get me out there, but I'd like to give it a try!
You can walk with me, I'll wait for you to catch up. :)
Don't worry Furb, If I saw ya along the road I'd pick ya up ;D ;D ;D
The operative words are "If I saw you". ::) :D :D :D :D
Yeah, and with a yooper and a troll in da truck......... my odds aren't good. :-\ ::)
The Production Frams Style swingmill has the destinct advantage as the tracks just get setup on the ground. They don't have to move up and down. The Bandmill is equally as simple to potentially setup, but the log has to be rolled.
OK, somebody has the tree out there qualified to be the world record 2x4......who is it??
Captain
What is the target length? Joe
Almost every mature tree here is tall enough. Just let me know, but like I said I think we should try to break the 200' mark so one of the guys on the coast would be better at attaining one of those. 200' feet here is what 300 feet is near the coast. :) These 60 to 100 mph winds we are getting may help us get one. ;)
200 feet would be pretty cool!
Based upon the availability of west coast logs, how long of a 10" x 20" beam do you think that we could mill? What wood species are we talking about?
The reason that I ask is that a 10 x 20 would be useful in some type of timberframe lodge construction, whereas a 2 x 4 has limited usefullness in that length.
If we can identity the right log, we may be able to approach some architechs, construction firms, etc about joining with us to establish a record.
Scott
I've tried to find something on line to see if there is an established recognized record to be found, and so far, no luck.
I'll bet that one of our bandmill sponsors would come up with a head that would roll down the rails to take part in such an event. Be DanG cool if there was a way to incorporate the Petersons, and Lucas Mills, and a bandmill into such a feat. You could cut a beam. and a couple side boards. A two by four could be held up by everyone that came for the photo ops, and an identical one could be made to "dice up" after the fact as something for the participants to take home with them as a keepsake.
Seeing the Forestry Forum group in the Guinness book for this would really be sumpthin eh? 8)
On some of the houses/cabins being built, they use VERY expensive pieces, so flying the finished piece to a job site with a heli wouldn't be out of the question.
The longest bed I've heard of lately was an LT30 (WoodMizer) that was sold to the U.S. Navy for use in rebuilding the U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides). It was, as I recall, 110 feet long and its purpose was to help saw the masts.
The Article is, no doubt, in the archives of Wood Mizer's house organ.
Yeah, I searched the online Guinness site and they didn't have anything.
I've been gone all day and just now checking in.
I see you FF members really have the "wheels" turning.
I like it. I like it very much.
Jeff, the idea of FF members (and I suggest sponsors) holding the stick for a photo op is fantastic. And then an identical stick to be chopped up so participants can take a piece home.....outstanding.
I have a personal friend in Stan Herd, the land mural artist. I have watched him evolve into a world renowned artist. He has gained a lot of sponsors with his reputation. Google him to see all he has done. We tend to think of possible sponsors within the industry. We should also think outside the box.
Just think of what it costs for a 30 second ad during the Super Bowl for instance. Enormous amounts of money are put forth just for name regognition. Who could we possibly entice to sponsor this proposed endeavor? (I am thinking funds for the FF ;)
This could put the FF in the record books, be a lot of fun for us members, give us a very good reason to get a BIG bunch of us together, make some serious money for the FF, give us all a momento to take home, and make some sponsor(s) glad we thought of this. AND, say the mill makers mentioned did choose to participate, look at the benifits that could come thier way by being a part of this.
Keep thinking and suggesting. That is what it takes to MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Here's an example I saw last night concerning The Bonneville Salt Flats Speed Week in Utah.
JCB a manufacturer of tractors in Europe spent millions to build a Streamliner called DIESELMAX.
They built it to test their new diesel engine, but also to break the record, and they did that not once but twice with the second try average of 350.092 mph. :o
Here's a link to the story for those interested, but my point is Haytrader may be on to something. ;)
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=435659
We've already proved this group knows how to do things big. :)
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I hate to say it but a swinger would be the way to go. Also we would only need about 3 sets of frame and a level spot to lay the log. A heilo company might me interested in moving it for us as well as moving the stick to the place of rest.
My thinking is with several good men we could just leapfrog the frames and run the whole thing straight with a string . ??? It should be a 200 ft plus stick so that the record will not be easly broken.
Sponsors would be great but we are going to have to find a home for it or chop it all up into little boards. Would really like to see a timber cut and used in a project.
Having seen Furby in person, most folks would not stop and pick the boy up. Why even on the FF most of the time all you see is his hat and back of his head. Looks alot like "Cousin It." But LBJ likes him so he just has to walk as far as Arkansas.
I can be ready to go in about an hour ;D ;D ;D ;D
Let's do it............... 8) 8) 8)
So can I, but I need a head start on the walking. ;)
Don't worry Furb no_no no_no no_no I have great confidence da Yooper and da Troll will pick ya up on da way here ;D ;D ;D
Yoo are "Thee Official Forestry Forum Videographer" ;) ;) ;)
We're gonna have ta have a saw head cam :D :D :D
Hey Craig - are all of the Peterson tracks components the same?
200 ft WOW now that's a board...
look at it this way
1) 2x4-200 is 133.33 BF
1) 10x20-200 is 3333.33 BF - what a monster :o
I wonder how long it would be once it dried :D
You guys aren't gonna make Furby walk, are you?
It was not until 2005 when the tracks were all drilled with a jig. Before that, tracks and track joins were a custom fit. There was also a major track change to a one piece extrusion sometime in 2000. Before THAT it was an extrusion that has a piece of stainless angle iron riveted on the top.
Again, have 45 feet of (2006) track. Will travel.
Captain
I've got 66' of 2006 / late 2005 track - between you and I we're halfway there.
I also have a 10" WPF that I can contribute.
How about the other Peterson owners - who has late model track that can be contributed to the effort and how much?
??? ??? My Peterson track is extruded with NO SS and my mill is an '87
year model ??? ???
I have 33'. My mill is an older style wpf, but the tracks are extruded. I added to them with recent tracks and it all worked. We're going to need some extra track joints to put this all together, aren't we? Anybody have some?
Erik
Make 'em outta wood. I did ;) ;D ;D
I'll fabricate track joints if necessary...
This idea go belly up ???
Quote from: Tom on January 04, 2008, 03:15:29 PM
The longest bed I've heard of lately was an LT30 (WoodMizer) that was sold to the U.S. Navy for use in rebuilding the U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides). It was, as I recall, 110 feet long and its purpose was to help saw the masts.
The Article is, no doubt, in the archives of Wood Mizer's house organ.
More useless information....this past year was the tenth anniversary of the Chief's initiation onboard Old Ironsides,
and I was one of the lucky 275 some odd selected chiefs to attend..We spent a week living onboard and learning to sail her,
and at the week's end, we sailed her down past Ft Independence to the turning basin at King's Roads...What an awesome
experience, to have sailed on those decks which have been defending our country for so many years..
It's 90 feet to the fighting tops...and it is one heckuva climb.
And yes, the decks are bloody hard.
ok...back on topic..reckon we can get a skillmill with enough track to mill the worlds longest toothpick? :D
that is one long board, how do you stretch 16ft board into a 40ft?
;)
Sbishop
Quote from: sbishop on January 19, 2008, 06:55:42 AM
that is one long board, how do you stretch 16ft board into a 40ft?
;)
Sbishop
It's easy.... just cut up one of them trees that they get rubber from, and chain each end to a tractor and pull! :D
Furby - definitely not belly up - I'm just snowed under right now and not in a position to pursue. Hopefully someone on the left coast will come up with a log, and when that happens we can start kicking ideas back around about going for a record.
Hi guys ;D
What can I do?
This is something I had suggested to the group here in NZ early last year, to find the longest log and to mill it with a Peterson. Unfortunately, everyone here thinks I'm a bit crazy :-\, so they ignored my emails! :D
But now the FF has bought it up, I'm sure they'll be behind us!
So, the first step is finding a long log on the West Coast? Want help?
Quote from: HSV on January 28, 2008, 02:02:26 PM
So, the first step is finding a long log on the West Coast? Want help?
Or, NZ. ??? I am sure you guys could come up with a long log as well, but I think you would have to send a boat to pick us all up. ;D I'm still game. :)
The only boat I've got is about 13' long, has 2.5 seats and a V8 engine. So A. it ain't even big enough for 10 supermodels and B. I'd have to buy shares in an oil rig to make the round trip :D
I'd love to though, believe me.
For the USA though, I was thinking about running a couple ads and talking about it in our e-newsletter (coming out on Friday) and stuff, so if you want, I can do that to get the ball rolling?
Every month we feature a 'site of the month' in our e-newsletter which goes out to thousands of people around the world, and this month I'm wanting to feature the 'Guiness World Records' website to coincide with this brilliant idea.
BUT, I want the go-ahead from at least three FF members involved in this idea before I do so.
I am telling people you're looking for a long log (200') in the USA, and I'm also letting people know that if they want to partake in any way (including sponsorship) to contact me. Of course I'm referencing the Forestry Forum seeing the idea was brought forth here.
So, I need a yay or nay before Wednesday evening (USA time) please.
What do you think?
I will give my nod of approval, if that helps.
I do not have a swinger but would be willing to travel to be a part of said endeavor.
I do have a manual bandmill that I could make some serious track extension for and be involved if needed.
Well, since I'm one of the instigators on this topic, you have my blessings to pursue.
I will provide a 10" WPF, and 66' of track to the endeavor. Craig Blake is also in, and can contribute track as well, but we're going to need another 100' or so depending upon the log length.
In addition to finding a log, we also need to find a "finished application" for the milled boards that is close to the log (since it will not be easy to transport it). Something like a high-end lodge or country club, or ???
Scott
Since I have an ATS I can't add track, but I'll be there to do anything else. This is a great idea and I hope it comes to fruition. This could be a really fun FF event that includes our Left Coast members 8) 8) 8)
Of course some one out there is gonna have ta find us great home made burger joint or the deal is off :D :D :D
Hi guys,
Cool, I'm going to run with it then.
I'll let you know when we get some feedback.
;D
Where might this take place?
Burlkraft, you can MOST DEFINATELY add track, the tracks are all the same from your vintage mill.
CAPTAIN
See what you started Scott? :D
This sounds like it will be a ton of fun. I say try to make a timber, someone will want to own the Guiness record timber. ;) Burlkraft, you gonna hafta submit a signed petition from 100 forum members to the CFO (chief food officer) to eat that homemade burger? :D
Dave
Quote from: Captain on January 30, 2008, 06:22:13 PM
Burlkraft, you can MOST DEFINATELY add track, the tracks are all the same from your vintage mill.
CAPTAIN
Well.... ;D ;D ;D Count me in for my 20' 8) 8) 8)
There's 2 requirements for a location. 1) There's gotta be a big tree 2) There's gotta be a GREAT burger place near by
....(with healthy food too, of course)
Is it feasible to haul a 200' anything down the highway? I got to thinking that if you were near a Helicopter logging operation they could pick one and drop it in a clearing somewhere. But after it's cut, can it go down the road? What about these folks that I see doing the logging out west that have their website under construction (mentioned here on the Forum)? Could they provide the log?
LOGDOG
This event needs more than just a great burger joint near by. What this needs is a big mobile caterer. All the people that are going to be at the event are going to need to eat. This large of an event it is bound to last the whole day so more than one meal will be needed.
Too bad, that it is going to be a bit far from here. >:( There is a guy a ways from here that does pitch fork fondue and catering for large events. He is great at what he does. The steaks that he fondue's are breathe takingly delicious and done right at the event site. The rest of the food is made just before.
Then there's gonna be picnic tables and such needed for the event.... ;D
Coon, I think you may have solved one of the big problems with this venture------what to do with the lumber. Make a loooooooooong picinic table 8) 8)
Somebody needs to find out what it takes to get the Record Book guy there to verify the board.
My cousin hauls 120' logs near Portland, OR. I wonder what the limit is.
I guess HSV is already on the run, but I'll throw my ok in there anyway. 33' of track ready and waiting...
I'll keep my eyes open for an appropriate log.
Erik
Did anyone else see the big pencil on the news latley?
Why wood the end product need to be moved?
Seems to me just sawing a "long board" is the object.
I visualize sawing, taking a pictures of all the participants holding the long board, and then whacking it up so all involved have a momento.
Quote from: Haytrader on January 30, 2008, 10:32:54 PM
Why wood the end product need to be moved?
Seems to me just sawing a "long board" is the object.
I agree, why move it? Maybe an ATS or Lucas is the way to go. Just mill it where it is, I would think this could really strike interest for people considering sawmills.
Yes, but we don't saw boards to leave them in the woods. ;) I think it would be great to see a huge, record setting beam used in a project somewhere. Besides, if it was sold, it might pay off the catering bill, or the bandwidth for us to talk about these crazy ideas. :D
Dave
My wife has a catering company. ??? She may cut us a deal. ::) :D Maybe we should cut it and build a real nice Loooonnnnngg picnic table to have our lunch on. :) Actually maybe one of the National parks may let us mill a long log if we turn it into a picnic table or bench or something. ???
A looooooong picnic table in a state park would be cool. It would show that the Forestry Forum has made it's mark on the world of big trees, again. ;) :D
Dave
Hmmm...sawing the world's longest board, to be used in the world's longest picnic table? Sounds like as good a reason as any to travel to the Left Coast 8).
Welcome back Dodgy!
Dave
I've been trying to figure out how to word this and if it was even worth saying.
I'm starting to think our best bet for this is to move the tree to the "final use" site.
Flying the log is really the only practical way to do this in reality.
Flying a log that long is possible, but trying to fly a finished beam/board will most likely end in failure due to the weakened state of the finished product, so milling at the site the item is to be used sounds best.
I personally feel the item/s cut should be put to use.
I also really like the idea of a picnic table and even more so would like to have the finished item where the general public can view/use it.
My thinking is that the suggestion of a National Park or even a State Park is a really good idea.
While selling the beam/board to a wealthy person or club may bring some $ to the kitty, I fear it will be locked up and out of site of most.
I'd personally rather see it used to help promote a public place as well as the sponsors of the project.
It sounds like a swing mill will be the best and easiest to cut the longest board with, but but making something like the world's longest picnic table out of the longest board, we can also get other mill and equipment manufactuers into the game.
A slabber could be used to take the taper off the butt and that piece or pieces can be milled on a bandsaw or such.
While bandmill wouldn't be able to claim the longest board, it could claim being involved in the making of the longest picnic table.
There is no reason why any one mill type needs to do the whole thing as other suggestions have said.
I'm wondering if there is a way to work with Steve on this and still keep his home town name involved.
I want to belive we could wade through the red tape and do this at a National Park or State Park, and maybe even get lucky and get a tree from there as well. Won't know unless we try.
Hardest part may be a getting a heli in the game, anyone have any contacts?
I'm also wondering what type of trees might be available, I would think we would like something a little rot resisant for something out doors like a picnic table.
Just some rambling thoughts. :)
There's one other way to transport that log fairly efficiently and that's by water. A work boat would be able to tow it up or down stream to a landing at the proposed site as long as it's waterfront. A candidate for that may be a place like Olympic Park in Washington that borders the ocean. It opens up the tall west coast timber up that near shoreline. It won't be cheap though. Down here a small tug with crew gets $3000.00 / day or better depending on the size if the rig. I dare say it would be cheaper than a helicopter though - at least one capable of flying that log. Then the question is: Who will pay the expenses? Personally I'd try to pre-sell the finished item with the sponsor/ purchaser picking up the costs as you go.
LOGDOG
Quote from: Dave Shepard on January 31, 2008, 06:03:38 PM
Welcome back Dodgy!
Thanks Dave! My Master's thesis (or in the words of DanG, my book report ::)) is finally complete, so it's back to business as usual for me 8). 'Course, now I have a job and a mortgage, but that's still significantly less pressure than trying to finish an M.S.!
I don't think trying to transport this thing anywhere is going to be financially feasible, unless it is done by a wealthy purchaser. So why not mill it on site in a state park? Assuming one can get through the red tape. It will certainly take a heck of a lot of leg work to make it all happen. If we could find the right tree in the right place, it could be felled, sawn, and built into the table all at one site.
Dave
Yep, I think you have to have a working assumption that this aint going anywhere and occurs all on one location. If it works out it does, Bonus!
Looks that way to me.
Also probably would have to be a tree that needed to be removed because it's dead or dying or damaged.
What species of trees get big enough to qualify and where do they grow?
How many guys with logrite canthooks does it take to roll a 200 foot long log?
A 250 foot Sitka, at least, is about 9 feet through on the but end. But the first 50 off and I bet it's still 6 feet through. You guys better eat your grits that morning. Well when she starts roll'n, run like the dickens. :o
Quote from: Jeff on February 01, 2008, 01:12:53 PM
How many guys with logrite canthooks does it take to roll a 200 foot long log?
A bunch. ;D
probably take a few D-9s to git r done...
Moving the log by air is not possible. A 30 inch log 200 ft long will weigh over 85,000 lbs. A 6x6x200' will weigh around 3,000 lbs and it could be lifted. Swing mills will be needed to do this (did I really say that?). There will be lots of short boards come off the side wood and all total make close to 10,000 bdft. It will take some skinny pecker pole to saw this in one day.
And if You are going to roll this you had better get some A.S.S. hooks
A 30 inch log would taper to nothing long before 200 feet is reached, unless it's a vine. ;D ;)
Quote from: ARKANSAWYER on February 01, 2008, 06:33:01 PM
Swing mills will be needed to do this (did I really say that?).
SEDITION! Off with his head! :D
That WOULD be alot of bed extensions for the 15 tho'.... ;D
I may have missed this in an earlier post, but what is the current longest board world record?
I know that long timbers have been cut, but didn't know there was a record being kept. Ships Masts have been created in the 100ft or better lengths. This is the only record type thing I could find on the Internet.
http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/feb02/stories/10.asp
Yeah, there didn't seem to be a record on the Guiness site.
127.6 feet, from the Peterson Newsletter.
I think that Arky is right on target with his weight concerns. When I read the helicopter pick comments, I too thought that the log would be too heavy to move by air.
Re the "30" size, a 200' log is probably going to taper from 60 - 72" on the butt down to 4" or so near the top, thus 30" would be an average volume for the entire log.
Probably the only way that this would be practical would be to find a use for the finished product at or near the log's location. It would be great if we could locate an end user for some of the products (big beams) that would be willing to foot the bill for the event.
We ought to shoot for setting EVERY record that we can... ie longest 2 x 4, longest 2 x 6, longest 10" x 20", longest picnic table, etc.
Scott
Don't forget most LogRites on one log! I think it might be time for a special edition Forestry Forum LogRite. But what color? Not pink, I hope. :D I have seen pictures of loggers in the redwoods from maybe a hundred years ago with some 8 foot peaveys, and about 50 guys in the picture. I would guess there D9 hadn't been invented yet. ;)
Dave
We've already proven that an ATS can saw a 6' diameter log......
10,00 bf ??? ??? We could build the longest picnic table and a shelter over it too ;D ;D ;D
Yeah, probably 8,000 - 9,000 bf log volume. There would be 18-20 cord in one of those suckers. A typical Sitka Spruce stand established on a slide fan is around 550 cords/acre. The numbers that I remember were in metric ( clustered around 3000 m3/ha = 550 cords/acre), and we cruised for sawlog scale. ;D
Quote from: Burlkraft on February 02, 2008, 08:10:36 AM
We've already proven that an ATS can saw a 6' diameter log......
10,00 bf ??? ??? We could build the longest picnic table and a shelter over it too ;D ;D ;D
or the worlds biggest outhouse....
Quote from: Bro. Noble on February 01, 2008, 12:42:01 PM
What species of trees get big enough to qualify and where do they grow?
Alot of west coast species could reach that height, but only four species in North America would commonly reach the height needed.
Coast Redwood-- California
Doug Fir-- B.C. , Washington,Oregon,and California
Sitka--Alaska, B.C., Washington,Oregon, and California
Giant Seqouia-- California
I think the best species for this would be a Doug Fir. It is the smallest diameter of all of these. If we can keep the big end diameter under 60" things would be much more manageable. I would think Sitka would be possible as well, and though we may be able to obtain a windthrown Redwood from a Federal or state Park, the large Redwoods are probably too massive at the base to deal with. :)
A long board, say 200'. What you are asking for is a 200' log with a 30" scaling diameter. The biggest Doug fir I have cruised are up around 250' or so total height. DBH around 60" or more. Looks like you will be looking for an exotic or a Redwood, and a really big one at that.
Beating the 127' mark with a 140' is quite possible and can have a form that is mill-able for a portable mill. You will need to find a tree of good form from a stand with a high density and a high site index. Parts of Oregon and California will have some to choose from, and it will have to be sourced from private lands. You will have to mill the log either where its felled or skid it just a short distance to a better place to work. It will take big iron to move it like maybe a couple of D-7 or D-8 size cats. One could do it if the skid is favorable and the soils just right. Felling will be the tricky as well, trying to save one out that far is tough. You might have to build a bed to fall it on so it will save out.
Helicopters and boats are not an option for moving it.
Doug fir or Redwood would be your choice, spruce grow short and fat even 8 or 9 foot diameter ones have a hard time reaching just over 200' in Oregon. They have better form in the higher latitudes.
We might have to go to the Charlottes or Porcher Canal. I can put my hands on few nice babies. ;D
Wait a second ... had a thought. Might be way off base here but maybe not. There's an outfit that is harvesting sunken timber out west. I'm thinking they're in Vancouver. I can get the link. This timber is standing dead in the reservoirs. They have a submersible that limbs the tree and then cuts it from the stump. I can't speak to the height or the diameter of these trees without re-reading the article. If they were sufficient though the felling issue is gone. Transport is as easy as a couple of airbags up the length of the tree to help overcome the negative bouyncy (sp?) and then it's off to the beach. To set the record all you have to do is cut it. It doesn't have to stay that long and I think you'll need to maybe give that up to have the other. It's still bragging rights either way. I'll find the link. Otherwise check out the thread here on the Forum "What would you do with 400Million Bd Ft of wood" - something like that. Can't remember verbatum. :)
LOGDOG
Here's the link to that operation: http://www.petersonsawmills.com/press_articles_general27.pdf
If we could get something going with them i'd be all over it.
LOGDOG
Landon, that's an interesting concept.
Personally, I'd really like to see the record-setting product be used in some fashion - that way there would be a long term tangible result from our efforts (in addition to the carmaraderie associated with an FF event!).
Depending upon the lake, there may be an opportunity to ship the completed beam via barge - that would potentially open up some financial partners that could arrange transport and help finance the costs of the operation.
Scott
Notice the barge in the pics? If it were long enough you could send up right on the barge and mill it. Those deck barges have good steel decks on them. That would help keep the tracks level. This outfit may be looking for some "publicity". Maybe they'd chip in or use the final products for bragging right at their offices? One can only ask.
LOGDOG
STILL a Family site. Innuendos can and will create question from the youngsters that frequent the forum. I'd appreciate some thought about that before you post. Posts deleted.