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Title: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Ron Scott on March 25, 2008, 02:55:00 PM
Geomagnetic Reversal Due – watch your compass!

There's still a thing or two we don't understand about planet Earth. One of them is what causes the periodic reversal of its magnetic poles. Scientists are pretty sure it has something to do with the molten iron core 1,800 miles below the surface. The geological record shows that these reversals have occurred at intervals ranging from 50,000 to tens of millions of years. It has been 800,000 years since the last one, so we can expect a reversal any time now. That would be a bad time to get caught in the woods.

Natural History
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Riles on March 25, 2008, 07:34:16 PM
I blame it on global warming. Or maybe it's the cause of global warming. At any rate, I'm looking forward to seeing the auroras in NC soon.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Sprucegum on March 26, 2008, 11:14:00 AM
Tha Aztecs and the ancient Chinese both have predicted this may happen Dec. 21, 2012  :o Get ready to hang on to something  ???

How? - the sun and the earth will both line up with the center of the galaxy. Don't ask me how they figured that out.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Modat22 on March 26, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
There are a few scientists that have shown that it has been happening for a long time. There isn't any estimates on how long the process would take.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Riles on March 26, 2008, 05:18:16 PM
Nova did an episode on this last year. The movement of the magnetic north pole is accelerating and the aurora borealis has already been seen at record southern latitudes.

This was another show I couldn't get my science-minded 9 year old to watch. (Seems every time he watched Nova, he found out we're all going to die. Asteroid collisions, global warming, supervolcanoes, megafloods, etc.) The problem with pole reversal is that it opens up the surface of the earth to cosmic radiation.

We're all going to die.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: TexasTimbers on March 26, 2008, 06:17:59 PM
I love these kinds of posts!

Sprucegum are you sure it wasn't the Mayans? They were the ones absolutley fascinated with time remember.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Sprucegum on March 27, 2008, 12:52:19 AM
TT when the Mayans realized what was going to happen they all became Aztecs and fought long wars with flowers  ???  8)  ::)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: TexasTimbers on March 27, 2008, 01:37:29 AM
Oh yeah I forgot about that.  Some of their descendents lived in the Asbury Park district in the late 60s and were responsible for the revival of some of those ancient ways, flowers and all. Except instead of making war they preached "Make love not war." ::)

The Incas were an interesting lot as well.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: sawdust on March 27, 2008, 08:57:36 AM
The Aurora was spectacular last week. It was in a complete circle with the hole at the top WAY south of us.
Aurora is an interaction involving the magnetic field, my question is does the top moving south have anything to do with the poles shifting?
sawdust
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Riles on March 27, 2008, 09:09:16 AM
Yep. If you remember those school diagrams about magnetic fields and iron filings, the lines of force run from one pole to the other. The Auroras are formed by the interaction of the solar wind's charged particles and the magnetic fields, with the light "falling out" at the poles. When the magnetic poles move south, so do the lights.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: sawdust on March 27, 2008, 09:15:13 AM

By my reckoning Santa just moved to somewhere near Great Falls Montana.

Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Greg Cook on March 30, 2008, 10:20:54 PM
Somebody should call "Spotted Al" Gore and see if he won't jump right in and fix this reversal thing?  He took care of those owls in the Northwest, and should have this global warming whipped here any day now.  He could use something to stay focused on.  Keeps him out of Tipper's hair too!
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Left Coast Chris on March 31, 2008, 12:50:28 AM
Riles,  would'nt we all be o.k. if we put aluminum foil on our heads? ;D

You did mention it protects against lightning while on your tractor in an electrical storm.  The pole reversal should be no problem. ;)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Riles on March 31, 2008, 08:45:15 AM
No, the aluminum foil hats were to keep the CIA from reading my thoughts.  Oops, did I think that out loud?  :D

My concern is if the magnetic north pole is moving southwest, won't all the migratory birds with built in compasses end up in the pacific ocean?
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: grassy on March 31, 2008, 12:29:31 PM
They Say when it happens, to hang on!!!!. You will be pinned to the floor until its over, by the force of gravity!  That may take 3 days.  We have had the worst winter on record. I am looking forward to living in a warm climate. 2012? Bring it on! cindy
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 31, 2008, 06:48:11 PM
Well when I was in the BC woods on the Queen Charlottes, we had this big knobby hill in the middle of a harvest block, trees were still standing and only road we had was ribbon trail. We had to run deflection lines up and down slope across the block using compass. Every time you got near that cursed knob the needle on the compass tracked the knob as you walked. We had to give up with the compass and eyeball it by the knob for a few lines. We also had to cruise that block with tight chain and compass to each point while tying flagging tape. Those lines actually get checked for accuracy, but we had to protest it on any check cruising with DNR. It wasn't rocket science or anything, but a pain. ::)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: farmerdoug on March 31, 2008, 11:59:05 PM
Just think,  Canada would be Up South and Florida would be Down North. ::)

I wonder what this will do for anything that migrates by magnetics?
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Jeff on April 02, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
Quote from: farmerdoug on March 31, 2008, 11:59:05 PM

I wonder what this will do for anything that migrates by magnetics?

Shouldn't be a problem as they will already be at their destination before they leave.  :)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: DKinWA on April 02, 2008, 08:31:47 PM
I guess this means I better buy a new compass :D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Furby on April 02, 2008, 08:59:03 PM
Why not just do a swap with someone currently living in the Southern Hemisphere ???
;)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 02, 2008, 09:43:28 PM
Come on now Furb, that's like getting a Floridian to live in the UP. ;D

I do know one who thought he was Floridian, but left too big a piece of himself back in Maine. ;)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Mooseherder on April 03, 2008, 06:21:55 AM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on April 02, 2008, 09:43:28 PM
Come on now Furb, that's like getting a Floridian to live in the UP. ;D

I do know one who thought he was Floridian, but left too big a piece of himself back in Maine. ;)
But that is a subject for another day. :D  The title will read, "Am I a Southerner or a Northerner." ;D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: OneWithWood on April 03, 2008, 09:54:07 AM
Well just one more reason to be thankful I live where I live  :)

A reversal of the poles or even a 90° realignment should not effect me much.  For that matter the rising sea levels won't effect me much - other than having to fight off those coasters who manage to swim inland a ways  :D

Maybe all those leaners will straighten up  :o
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Modat22 on April 03, 2008, 02:11:44 PM
Well one thing you can say about pole reversal. Its not caused by global warming.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Tom on April 03, 2008, 02:16:30 PM
Quote from: Modat22 on April 03, 2008, 02:11:44 PM
Well one thing you can say about pole reversal. Its not caused by global warming.

The connection just hasn't been made yet.  Give them time and somebody will make it Global Warming's fault. :D

We might have to ask our cohorts in Australia and New Zealand, "If you go to the equator, are you travelling UP, or do you associate North and South with UP and Down.   

I was always taught to orient a map with North at the top.  I figure that is where traveling UP and Down came from.  Does anybody know? :P
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Gary_C on April 03, 2008, 02:34:33 PM
Quote from: Tom on April 03, 2008, 02:16:30 PM

We might have to ask our cohorts in Australia and New Zealand, "If you go to the equator, are you travelling UP, or do you associate North and South with UP and Down.   

I was always taught to orient a map with North at the top.  I figure that is where traveling UP and Down came from.  Does anybody know? :P


It will not do any good to ask those people in Austrailia and New Zealand as they have been hanging up side down for too long already and think that's normal.   ;D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Modat22 on April 03, 2008, 04:11:58 PM
The question of questions is this. If you are at the center of the earth and are able to survive the heat and move in any direction freely. would you float as if weightless?
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Tom on April 03, 2008, 04:32:18 PM
Apparently you would be weightless, according to the sites I googled. 
Here is an interesting viewpoint. (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/mechanics/earthole.html)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: beenthere on April 03, 2008, 04:58:56 PM
modat...
I'm prayin that I won't be there... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Don P on April 03, 2008, 05:15:53 PM
I'm just hoping record players don't start running backwards or Tipper's gonna send us all to the middle of the earth.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 03, 2008, 06:07:07 PM
I don't know guys, I just don't know. Weightless?  :-X cough ... maybe if your an atom. Ok, I guess I have to remind myself not to confuse weight with mass here. ;D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: SPIKER on April 03, 2008, 07:31:47 PM
Now the real question is why hasn't anyone brought up the very point that if it does switch then do we northerns have to start eating grits & succotash like they do down south and will they have to eat the good stuff like we do???  :D  ya  SOME BODY had to some how turn this topic into FOOD related  8) ::) :D

Mark M
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Tom on April 03, 2008, 07:35:20 PM
I'm not giving up my Grits to the unappreciative.  No Sir!   No way!  Not even if all you got to eat is that junk.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: OneWithWood on April 04, 2008, 09:10:29 AM
Gee, Tom, you are getting to be more and more of an old curmdgeon!

Your nice younger brother was kind enough to share his grits with me  :)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Woodcarver on April 04, 2008, 12:01:51 PM
You can have my grits, Tom.  I'll eat the succotash.  ;D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: fuzzybear on April 04, 2008, 12:06:19 PM
   

****I was always taught to orient a map with North at the top.  I figure that is where traveling UP and Down came from.  Does anybody know? ****

   Tom I think it originally went by the way the river flows.  Here we go up to Whitehorse because it`s up river. Even though it`s south of us.   Same thing when I lived along the New River in Virginia. We went up when we were headed south and down when we were headed north. :) :)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Modat22 on April 04, 2008, 12:09:46 PM
If the magnetic poles reverse the iron molecules in grits will try to realign possibly forcing the person to eat with the other hand.. 8)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 04, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
Quote from: fuzzybear on April 04, 2008, 12:06:19 PM
   
Same thing when I lived along the New River in Virginia. We went up when we were headed south and down when we were headed north. :) :)


So what's your story?  :D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: fuzzybear on April 04, 2008, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on April 04, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
Quote from: fuzzybear on April 04, 2008, 12:06:19 PM
   
Same thing when I lived along the New River in Virginia. We went up when we were headed south and down when we were headed north. :) :)


So what's your story?  :D


Transplanted Yankee ;D   Now living in Gods Country and loving it ;D ;D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Tom on April 04, 2008, 03:43:25 PM
Looks like I've picked up a couple of servings already.  :D
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 04, 2008, 05:00:51 PM
fuzzybear, I've been to the New River to. Had friends that lived in Blacksburgh, then Radford later on working at V-Tech. Now they are out in Idaho.


I told my friend if he wants to work in forestry, don't come back here. Our forestry jobs have been lost steadily for 25 years. Our grandfather's never would have believed that an industry that helped build the country, including the railroads would even be in such shambles. Old Boss Gibson built the New Brunswick railroad to access timberlands. What would he think now?
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: fuzzybear on April 04, 2008, 06:46:34 PM
That`s interesting about your friend`s there swampdonkey. I lived in Ivanhoe Va. moved to Sandpoint Id. then moved to the Yukon.   Small world.   We have lot`s of trees here, not much logging any more thou.  Just a few small operations serving the gold industry.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: arojay on April 04, 2008, 10:47:11 PM
Hmmm,  when the poles reverse, they will have to 'pass' each other at some point.  Like the equator.  So what will happen when the toilet is flushed as the poles pass each other?
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Furby on April 04, 2008, 10:50:14 PM
Don't stand too close. ;)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: limbrat on April 07, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
Am i going to need to turn the batteries around in my head lamp? If it starts sucking in the light instead of pushing it out i wont be able to see to fish.

I bet that if everyone in the far north like above Interstate 30 would go out and play on the trampoline in there socks it would make enough of a static charge to keep the pole up there.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: jeffreythree on May 20, 2008, 08:09:27 PM
I took a class on this back when I was a geology student at Univ. of Houston.  When it switches, there will be no poles at all for 10,000 years or so.  Compasses would just spin around or point at a nearby magnetic source.  It wouldn't matter much because we would all die from solar radiation after the magnetic field around the Earth collapses.  On the upside we would get the aurora(?) borealis down to the gulf coast and all have killer tans.  I would buy some stock in sunscreen companies just in case, but I just spent it all on beer and a chainsaw.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: TexasTimbers on May 23, 2008, 05:34:33 AM
I didn't even know we southerners was supposed to eat succotash. I guess I better try some.  food3
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: jon12345 on May 23, 2008, 12:30:35 PM
Global warming is to blame, heating can destroy magnetism  :)
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Tom on May 23, 2008, 03:28:11 PM
Then it must be Bush's fault.  :P
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Timburr on May 23, 2008, 04:59:36 PM
Only if the Bush is seized.....the breakdown of the armature windings from the excessive risidual heat is symptomatic of magnetic collapse!!!!
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: Modat22 on May 27, 2008, 10:43:49 AM
Ya know, we joke about it and all but when and if it happens it will be a big problem. But in reality this isn't anything we can do about it except perhaps try to change the way we live and move underground.
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: moonhill on May 30, 2008, 06:41:37 AM
Tom, directions of travel had to due with which way the wind blows.  Ships sailing down east went with the wind, down wind.  Heading back to Boston they had to sail up wind.  fuzzybear also touch on the way water travels. 

With the poles shifting, I have heard someone else say the Mississippi will or has flowed backwards.  I actually doubt this.  In our past there has been unexplained mass extinctions, pole shifting could have something about this.  With all the earthquakes in the news, China and Greenland we may slowly be changing, well not maybe, we are changing, we are in a constant change.  The declination on our compass and on the topo maps is simple evidence.   Gravitational pull of the Sun on the Earth a, flimsy shell around a molten core, and on top of that we are traveling in an elliptical orbit around the Sun at about 87,000 miles per hour, our hair is bound to bet ruffled.  The poles on Mars is melting and more storm on (I think it's) Saturn, 2 more additional black dots reported on the surface, these are storms. 

With all these and some I haven't mentioned how can we think we are causing global warming with our burning of fossil fuels, we (they) are so vain.  Lets go to our kids ball games and on the week end go fishing.  We only have 4 more years......before they move out and are on their own.   Tim B. 
Title: Re: Geomagnetic Reversal
Post by: GlennPagano on June 15, 2008, 08:55:18 AM
This magnetic change will not change the climate at all.  Right now magnetic north is in the south pole and magnetic south is in the north pole.  So when all of this happens then the poles will be right again.