Has anyone here every made or tried Dogberry Jam?
Is it something edible or something you have to wipe off your shoe ???. Never heard of dogberry before.
Never made any but steped in some last night and got it between my toes ;D
I knew full well that I was goona git that.... :D
You sure you don't mean dingleberry? ;D
Had to go digging for that one.
Eastern Prickly Gooseberry, Pasture Gooseberry, Dog Berry, Ribes cynosbati.
I have ate them as a kid, but never had jam made from them. I don't remember there being much flavor. :-\
Ya didnt dig deep enough yet there Reddog :)
Dogberry I am referring to is made from Mountain Ash Berries and Crab apples.
Might as well toss some sumac berries into it as well eh? ;D People used to make a drink (shrub-It's in Webster's ;) ) from the staghorn sumac berries, like with currants.
I think we have a European mountain ash around my old orchard, the bark is silver gray on these ones and I have cut some rather large ones out. The ones out in the woods have a dark reddish-brown bark on them. What are they like up your way Jeff?
I'll take a photo of mine today.
I wasn't aware mt. ash berries were edible. What do they taste like ??? chicken ??? :D ;D ;D
http://www.sacredearth.com/ethnobotany/foraging/rowan.php
Quote from: Jeff on August 14, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Ya didnt dig deep enough yet there Reddog :)
Dogberry I am referring to is made from Mountain Ash Berries and Crab apples.
Well I can't help it when you are making up your own names. :D
Try searching mountain ash with the word edible. You will come across dogberry repeatedly. :)
Well, its looking more and more like I'm going to have to be the Guinea Pig. Long as the birds don't get them before the first frost, I'll give it a try.
Interesting, never heard mountain ash called that. :)
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Yes they are loaded this year. The older folks probably, great grandparents, made shrubs from all kinds of wild berries. Didn't have all these soft drinks way back then to go buy off store shelves, ya made your own. It was something folks looked forward to. A lot of the times a shrub drink had a shot of brandy in it to. ;)
I've never heard it called a guinea pig either, a rose by any other name.
The Mt Ash up on the highlands are loaded again this year, I'm curious if you survive ;D.
The first lady that made us the sumac berry drink called it ruse-aid, so that's what I've always called it. Never thought about adding anything medicinal to it, sounds like a good way to really get the quickstep :D.
Here in the back yard, mine are European. The way to tell is that buds are real hairy on the top portion of the bud and not gummy. The native species, of which there are two are the American and the Showy. Now Jeff's looks like my yard trees. In order to be native mountain-ash, the buds have to be gummy. You got gum Jeff? ;)
Now here...I have a huge...I mean huge....at least I ain't seen nothing like it around here...until tonight... American mountain-ash. It is 12 in dbh and 40 feet tall. The softwood trees, the one closest (middle) is a 11.5 inch white spruce and the one behind (right) is a 13 inch balsam fir. They are 60 feet tall. The smell of a broken twig smells like almond off the ash. It is growing about 400 yards from my woodlot on a neighbor along the edge of a wetland and rich soil.
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I see some bear claw marks on the old girl, look below my hand. ;D
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Almost looks like a butternut crown. ;)
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Around 12" long
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I've picked the Berries tonight and have them cleaned. The experiment is about to commence. :)
The robins are fleecing the mountain ash berries here on the fence rows and orchards. One good sized ash will have about 50 of the feathers critters. This and spring time sure are good times to take counts. :D
We got a real hard frost and the berries changed in taste overnight. You couldn't bear to touch one to your tongue before and now they have lost that bitter taste, In fact, they seem to be much more palatable then the crab apples I use to may jelly. I don't think I woyld want to eat either fruit raw.
Jeff, they are actually related to apples, so I bet they will work out delicious. :)
Eating raw crab apples is like eating a mouthful of raw black cherries. :D
I know for a fact, that Jeff makes a down-right mean delicious, and tasty High Bush Cranberry jam. And I thank him for that. 8) 8) 8)
Jeff's having a tucking out on that new jam. Yup, I just know it. Probably collapsed from over consumption. ;D 8)
Still kicking, I'll post an update in a minute. Just juiced the berries a little bit ago. :)
Photo of unsorted berries.
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SOrted Berries
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I found this technique works well for sorting good berries from bad. A gentle swirl of the water pushes the bad berries to the side, and brings the good berries to the center.
Short video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gV3iWuMUAQ
Juicing the berries after boiling for a couple minutes to soften.
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Short video of juicing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G42zIMdg98
I just sampled it. ITS HORRIBLE! One brief initial pleasant taste is blown away by a terrible underlying and lingering after taste. YUCK YUCK YUCK!
Well, at least your honest. ;D :D :D
Need any more bear bait? ;)
I am glad I got the jar of High Bush Cranberry jam 8) instead of the dogberry jam. When I was there Jeff had a taste of the dogberry and the look on his face was worth a thousand words. ;D
Bear Bait is what it will be. A little flavor to the bear oatmeal. At this point, I think I'd rather eat the sawdust and grease oatmeal.
If there is anyone brave enough out there to give a second opinion, although I dont think its advisable, I can save ya a jar. :D
Thanks for the visit today Bob. Without it this would not have been a very good day at all.
thanks but no thanks.
I seem to recall trying the berries as a kid.
I really can't taste anything right now....I'm game ;D ;D
I know your sick and I wont be part of making you sicker. No dogstuff for burlkraft.
I drove all the way up to Michigan to get a jar of Jeff's dogberry jam. I got there just as he was finishing up the dogberry. 8) I saw him take a taste of the jam and from the look on his face, I just knew I had driven a long way for nothing. :( Wildflower then came to the rescue and offered me a jar of High Bush Cranberry. That stuff is great and the whole thousand mile trip was worth it.
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I too have had their famous High Bush Cranberry jelly. It is awesome. Kind of like the Currant jelly we make down here in this area.