Yep, I hit a little dog today, he squealed like a pig and then just laid there and didn't make another sound. I kept a close eye on him while I was changing my blade just to remind myself to be more careful. ;D
R.T.
I got a few of them already, but mine just groweled at me.
Let me guess, it was the one that leans towards the operator?
Yep, thats the one. ;D
That's not your fault, that's a design problem. ;D
I don`t know why they wouldn't cut those dogs off on the opposite side to give you more room to make a cut?
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/dog.JPG)
Did your blade do this?
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You know that you can tell alot about people by how dogs react to them.
ARKANSAWYER
Kevin you should send some of your ideas to WM, I bet they would use them. Thats really a good one!
ARKANSAWYER, I see you have walked a few dogs before too, lol. Thats what it did, the blade started climbing and then tried to stall the engine.
R.T.
Kevin,
That sounds like a good Idea at first, but then when you try to roll the log you have trouble. The log would want to climb right up over the dog, rather than sliding.
Maybe if there was one set of dogs for turning and another for sawing??? but then we would just forget to put the turning dogs down...
Keep thinking... Might come up with something yet.
Must have been the week for it. I tried to take the top 1/2" off of my clamp. only got about 1/4 inch into it before the blade stopped cutting!!!!! :o :o
It can happen to anyone.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/firstcut.jpg)
My "first cut" on our new Wood-Mizer LT40HDE25.
Mary is a very meticulous sawyer but even she nipped the top of the same bolt head a coupe of weeks back. Just enough to make a bright spot and knock the set out of the teeth on the down side.
Maybe they should just provide stake pockets so you could use replaceable wooden back supports? Just saw right through them until they get too short and need replaced. :D
Ok, how about an accessory to slip over the dog for the larger logs...then remove it to make the cut?
You probably wouldn't require more than two.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/rollerdoggy.JPG)
You mean something like this?
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/BackStopExt2.JPG)
This an more found in - Handy things around the mill (https://forestryforum.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=sawmill;action=display;num=994012887;start=0)
I don't think it would have to be full length Bib, I was thinking more of a cap that would be easy to remove.
Kevin what I have on my dogs is rollers on the top, came from the factory like this. It doesn't matter how big the log is cause a log can't jump over the rollers it can only turn over.
It's a great system and it saves me from having the dogs up high all the time.
Steve
Yea, it's the "slip on" part I was trying to show. These are tall to handle those large logs. No rollers needed.
Our new mill has rollers on top of the back supports too. But there is still a chance for the log turner to push a small log up instead of rotating it. Then a large log may have a knot or a place where a big splinter pulled that the roller will hang up on. So it could still happen.
I get a lot of small, crooked cedar that people want split in half, really tough to dog down, so I made a fence out of some 1x1 angle that I scew a 2x on. It fits in the permanent stops. Works good for me. Also good for "live edge" stuff. LeeB
LeeB, you have a picture of that jig? I'd be interested in seeing it if you do. Thanks!
Anyone else use any kind of jigs for there band saws?
R.T.
I can't seem to get the picture thing down even though many have tried to help me. I just cut 4 pieces of angle(1x1x1/8) about 5" long and welded a 4" piece of 1/2" rod in the middle. Drill a screw hole on each side of the rod to atatch it to a 2x. You can use whatever width 2x you need to suit the job at hand, such as 2x6 for edging. I use a 2x4 for dogging the smaller stuff. LeeB
Ok thanks LeeB, hey I'd be more then happy to teach you how to post a pic if you want me to? Do you have a site somewhere on the internet that you can download pictures to? If not, get that first, then email or PM me and I'll walk you thru it. My guess is your just missing one step along the way and thats all it takes for it not to work. :) rt@thewoodchucker.com
R.T.
truth be known, it's lack of a program to reduce the pictures to an acceptable size. too lazy to download a program. need to do so though. have often wanted to post a pic or two ::) LeeB
Here's a free program for ya and it's easy to use. http://downloads-zdnet.com.com/3302-2192_2-10180889.html
R.T.
Yah, dem DanG dogs pop up unexpectantly at times ;D
The back dogs on my lumbermate had large steel washers for rollers. I replaced them with large aluminum washers 1/2 thick and 3" in dia. That way when I hear the saw sing on the aluminum I have time to stop and back out of the cut before I hit any steel. I've cut lots of aluminum with the Wood Mizer double hard blades without hurting them. 8) 8) In fact my dad cut almost through one before stopping without hurting the blade.
If you can make do with aluminum parts it will save you in the long run on those senior moments ;D ;D
Jason
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Can you see the potential for conflict here?
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Made a LOT of noise just for a little while. But only made a few scratches on the hard two plane clamp.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10034/wsbladhit20050903.JPG)
I expected to see every tooth shelled. But they were all bent up (shown bent down on top side blade).
It was ALL Mary's fault. >:( She should have been there to stop me!!! ::)
You would think that will all the electronic gizmos and such out there it would not be to hard to connect the log dog height to the blade height and make a buzzer sound if the dog was higher than the blade.
hey bib I have that same option on my lt 40 Precut roller.... seems to work OK
Arky that sure looks like a LT70 Dog. Did you upgrade with telling us? 8)
Quote from: Kirk Allen on September 30, 2005, 08:47:42 AM
Arky that sure looks like a LT70 Dog. Did you upgrade with telling us? 8)
smiley_headscratch Things that make you go ... Hummmm??? smiley_headscratch
My doggies are round stake holes that I slide 3 inch pvc pipe into. I still beware of dogs though
Arkibby?
I'm confused too.
What he said ???
QuoteArky that sure looks like a LT70 Dog. Did you upgrade with telling us?
Nope! not yet. That was a photo taken up at WM open house at Mt Vernon a year or so back. Since I would never do something so crule as cut my dog I had to use another photo. ::)
Quote from: Cedarman on September 29, 2005, 11:01:33 PM
You would think that will all the electronic gizmos and such out there it would not be to hard to connect the log dog height to the blade height and make a buzzer sound if the dog was higher than the blade.
Mount an infra-red range-finder on the saw head, level with the blade and pointing down the mill just in line with the side stops. Set it to flash a light or sound a buzzer if it detects anything within the length of the mill.
Note to self: be sure not to park the truck just beyond the end of the mill, or it'll trigger the sensor as the carriage reaches the end of the cut :(.
'Nother note to self: this thing will also detect a branch sticking out from the side of the log. Don't think you can just saw through that branch, 'cause you'll rip the detector off the mill >:(.
Maybe this needs some more thinking ;D.
I hit my little dog today to. It didn't squeal though just kinda winned a little bit. Like you woodchucker I was thinking of the dog while i was changing the blade. I don't know what happened but I should have got my mind off the dog and back on the blade cause I didn't do something right and when I powered up it jumped off and ruined another one. DanG Dog.
had a couple good hits the past weekend. once i skimmed over a log dog and thought i missed it because i did not hear any noise this time. ::) but upon further review i seen some shiny marks on the surface of said dog. while i was still thinking a/b that near miss i pushed my mill into a broom handle that my help left leaning on the end of the mill. no big deal except it had a metal handle in it. >:(
I'm not exactly being on the top of the knowledge heap when it comes to sawing, but .........
It seems to me it would be fairly easy to put an optical warning device directly in front of the band that would warn if there was anything in the way of the band, other than a cant. that is.
A cheap laser and sensor set comes to mind.
Hi, I am new to this forum
But I have already read a lot of messages on the different forums, looking for a log loader device.
Finaly I found one I made today. Thanks a lot to the contributors.
But for the subject:
On my mill, I have a device that stop the travelling before the blade hit the dog. It is just a curved rod. The dogs have a piece of metal welded at the back. If the dogs are to high for the blade, your pushing movement is stopped. I can say I saved a lot of blades until now.
If I only new how to post a photo I would show you... :-\
Toxedo
Quote from: toxedo_2000 on November 28, 2005, 06:47:01 PM
Hi, I am new to this forum
But I have already read a lot of messages on the different forums, looking for a log loader device.
Finaly I found one I made today. Thanks a lot to the contributors.
But for the subject:
On my mill, I have a device that stop the travelling before the blade hit the dog. It is just a curved rod. The dogs have a piece of metal welded at the back. If the dogs are to high for the blade, your pushing movement is stopped. I can say I saved a lot of blades until now.
If I only new how to post a photo I would show you... :-\
Toxedo
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?board=16.0
Plenty of help on posting fotos here
Here is my solution to sawing-up the "log-dogs". I got tired of having rolled-up damaged or broken blades form sawing into the metal saw parts. I have a SCR drive for the carriage that works with limit switches. I have a "cat-whisker" switch that makes contact with a probe on the lay-down log post. It is set so that when the whisker is within ¾ inches of the probe, it shuts down the carriage drive. Before starting to saw, I make sure that the clamp post is lower than the log post.
Below is the cat-whisker switch that is mounted ahead of the saw blade.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10060/saw2.jpg)
Since the mill is in storage, I couldn't get to a fold-down log post for a picture. I clamped on a pencil to represent the probe.
Below is the probe shown on the fold down log-post.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10060/saw3.jpg)
Below is a picture showing the relationship between cat-whisker switch and the lay-down log post probe.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10060/saw1.jpg)
I only ruined one blade since is install this safety switch and it was because I didn't believe it when the carriage stopped moving.
Welcome to the Forum, Toxedo_2000 ;D I'll bet that you have a Champion sawmill ;)
Just watch out for the clamping cams ;)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11412/champion-025OP.jpg)
When I got my mill in 1998, I thought and thought and came up with a great way to keep from hitting mill parts when sawing. 8) I just lower all stops, clamps, loading arms and other mill parts below the plane the blade is traveling in. I wonder if I can get a patent on my unique idea. ::)
I was infringing on your unique idea, but still hit the dog with my first brand new band blade :o >:( :D 8) 8) In my case, your idea may need to be improved before patented.
i like that curb feeler from d.f., ill have to put one on the kasco, once i hit a dog... ::) ;D
Quote from: sprucebunny on November 28, 2005, 10:26:50 PM
Welcome to the Forum, Toxedo_2000 ;D I'll bet that you have a Champion sawmill ;)
Just watch out for the clamping cams ;)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11412/champion-025OP.jpg)
Yep ! It is the same kind of device. But my mill is a Gilbert. And for the cam, I solved the problem. Every time I adjust de dogs, I also adjust the cam a little bit lower. And they are painted with fire red paint. Never hit one at this time. It is just a mather of discipline. :-)
Toxedo
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Yes, Toxedo. The same mill Sciere Mobile Gilbert. ;D
That's good advice about the cams ....I'll try to remember :D
Have you had your mill very long ?
I got mine in July but haven't sawed alot. This winter I'll be stockpiling wood.
Which engine do you have ?
Quote from: sprucebunny on December 01, 2005, 08:38:40 PM
Yes, Toxedo. The same mill Sciere Mobile Gilbert. ;D
That's good advice about the cams ....I'll try to remember :D
Have you had your mill very long ?
I got mine in July but haven't sawed alot. This winter I'll be stockpiling wood.
Which engine do you have ?
I have it since november 2004. I did not saw many hours, but I sew a lot. I did make about all the wood I needed for the renovation of my house.
The motor is a Kohler 20 HP.
I also made a film on the use of the mill. Since I was alone to film and to work, it was a very good, plaisant and challenging experience. But at the end, I had a complete documentary about the way to work with that kind of mill. I just gave the product of my editing to Mr. Gilbert. I think he was very glad. :)
As I said, I did not have any trouble with the dogs, but I sew the tail of the jack that I use to level the log during the first hour. :o
Fortunately it was aluminium. ???
In the 2 past days, I have been confronted with a really big log, 36 inches in diameter. That kind of log is to big for my mill, because it cannot take more than 23 inches wide and 32 inches high. So I had to make the log a little bit slimmer with the chainsaw. Time consuming. But after 15 or 16 hours of work, I had around 1250 feet of that nice white pine. Most of them are boards 22 inches wide, 8 feet long. I must say there were 3 like this one
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I had to wash the logs with a pressure system. It was full of stone sticked to the bark
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13107/Moulin-gaston-3.jpg)
I think I successfully poste few pics Tox 8)
I have a new mill and haven't hit a dog yet-- can the blade be resharpened or is it a write off? Or does it depend on how much metal you cut? Just wondered, thanks.
I bet you got some nice clear boards out of that one, Toxedo ;D Lookin' good 8)
I only have small trees to saw up . Less than 16" for big ones and mostly 12"
davemartin88, it depends on how much metal you cut. Try not to do it ;D
Quote from: sprucebunny on December 03, 2005, 11:32:32 PM
I bet you got some nice clear boards out of that one, Toxedo ;D Lookin' good 8)
I only have small trees to saw up . Less than 16" for big ones and mostly 12"
davemartin88, it depends on how much metal you cut. Try not to do it ;D
Yes, big large boards. But now, I must let it dry about a year... That's long.
Here is a pic of the amputed jack ::)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13107/Jack-cut.jpg)
And a new addition I'll have. Found the idea on this forum :P
Thanks
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13107/Laser-niveau.jpg)
Tox
Great idea with the lazer level 8) I been thinking about something like that but had no idea what to mount it to.
That should speed things up and save some metal parts from the fate of your jack handle ;D
I made an "L" bracket, screwed it at the back and that's it. The level can be take off. It is a magnet holding it. The accuracy is not perfect, but it gives me an idea of where and what my band will cut through.
Tox