Not having internet access at home is getting old. We can not get DSL or cable internet. I do some work over the internet, so dial-up would not really work for us either. So, we have two choices: net through a cellular provider or satelite. Does anyone here have any experience with these? Is either clearly better than the other?
Man, I'll be glad to get connected!
We just went from dial up to cell through Rogers.So far we are really happy. If you wish more information like price and speed I can get it for you,keeping in mind I am in Ontario.
John
I have had satellite and now have Verizon wireless modem which plugs into a USB port on my computer or in my case into a router that allows for multiple users. I like the wireless modem better than satellite because the satellite was starting to slow down with overloading of the satellites and weather causes issues at times. The wireless is faster and usually no outages unless signal strength drops. My signal here at home is excellent so have not had any problems also you can take the modem with you if you have a laptop and you have internet while on the go. 3GStores(www.evdoinfo.com) has a lot of information on it and links to coverage maps so you can check to see if you have coverage in your area.
Good luck with your search.
We looked over all these options a couple years ago, and I think if you have good service cellular is the way to go. I don't think it's much cheaper per month but the initial setup is less, and it will work wherever you have service. The satellite will be at your house only(or where the dish and reciever is installed).
(edit) BTW we ended up getting wireless, as we could see the tower and it was 1/2 the price ($30 instead of $60).
I had two choices , either I stuck with dial up or went satelite. Dial up sucked big time , been on satelite for a year now and like it , it is not the fastest connection as I cant afford it , but this suits me fine. No cell reception here , that left that option out :D
I use a Verizon wireless phone tether when at the cabin now. It's certainly not as fast as cable, but even with a marginal connection up there its much faster then dialup. Its broadband if within the 3g network. I have a smart phone with a data plan and that allows me to use the phone to get online and email, but you need a tether plan to tether and use your laptop or P.C., but that can be turned on and off monthly as you need it. If I was in need of it eveyday I would go with their aircard.
The big advantage of the wireless versus the satellite it portability. Anywhere you get a signal you can use it.
Quote from: brdmkr on January 14, 2010, 09:27:16 AM
Man, I'll be glad to get connected!
I have satillite.. the ride is like a roller coaster... at times it can be a real barn burner.. at others it's worse than carrier pigeon... less than 1KB transfer rate... Weather heavily dictates yur service... clouds, rain, snow or yur not holding yur mouth just right while standing on one foot...
when I'm mobile I have an air card... (cell) T mobile is the best in cities it seems, verizon has the widest coverage and bell is bell...
the providers will let you sample their wares for a few days.. suggest you do this... an aircard may not work in yur house but across the street it can be all ya ask for...
OK, now I need educating... What is an 'air card'? Also, I thought that cell was cell. How do I find out if I can get 3G?
You know it seems to me that the cellular industry is more complicated than it need be. Is that just me?
What IMERC said about satellite...we had it at our previous location and couldn't stand the outages.
At our present location the satellite guy took a look...said we would need to cut some trees to get a sky view or they could mount the antenna on a post and bury a line to the house. We didn't like either option.
To get an aircard go to your friendly cell phone place. They may want you to sign a contract, and maybe want some green stuff for the air card. The air card comes with its own phone number...for what reason I know not. It just plugs into the USB hole. They will surly tell you that 3g is available most any old place...don't believe em. I think most give you a trial period...if it don't work take it back.
We have an AT&T air card for the business PC. It is supposed to get the 3g network but the signal is so weak it's useless. It runs on the 2g or gsl network which is still way faster than dialup. Never a problem or any outage...cost is around $60 a month. For really big downloads we still go to the library and copy to a zip drive.
Quote from: brdmkr on January 14, 2010, 01:13:04 PM
OK, now I need educating... What is an 'air card'? Also, I thought that cell was cell. How do I find out if I can get 3G?
You know it seems to me that the cellular industry is more complicated than it need be. Is that just me?
air card is kinda sorta a cell phone that plugs into a USB port or slot made for it in the side of computer...
a lot of the newer 'puters have aircards built into them...
testing is the only way you can find out if you can recieve 3G...
get a trial card from the cell outfits to test drive...
complicated.... yup.. but a lot it seems to to baffle the customer...
Its really not complicated. Aircards that is. It will come with software to install it, then you plug it into a usb port, the machine finds it, then you connect like you would with a dial up connection. I think Verizon's got a bandwidth limit of 5 gigs a month. Unless you are a youtube addict, you won't ever come close to that.
Quote from: Jeff on January 14, 2010, 11:59:00 AM
I use a Verizon wireless phone tether when at the cabin now. It's certainly not as fast as cable, but even with a marginal connection up there its much faster then dialup. Its broadband if within the 3g network. I have a smart phone with a data plan and that allows me to use the phone to get online and email, but you need a tether plan to tether and use your laptop or P.C., but that can be turned on and off monthly as you need it. If I was in need of it eveyday I would go with their aircard.
The big advantage of the wireless versus the satellite it portability. Anywhere you get a signal you can use it.
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Quote from: brdmkr on January 14, 2010, 09:27:16 AMDoes anyone here have any experience with these? Is either clearly better than the other?
Yes. Generally, cellular will be better but it depends on a few factors.
- How far away from the closest cell tower are you?
- Do you have line of site to the cell tower?
- What kind of cell phone reception do you get at your house, where the computer will sit?
- Does the cell company offer at least 3g?
With either solution, you are going to see high latencies. In general, the satellite latencies will be worse, as long as the cell company doesn't have a sat uplink in your path (they shouldn't but it happens). A lot of companies will let you try the cell service for a week or so, just to test it out.
Finally, you will need to do some price comparisons. In my experience, satellite is usually more expensive for worse performance. But if satellite is all you can get a reliable signal from, it is still way better than dialup! You will likely not want to try playing online real time video games over either. The latencies make it very difficult.
Good luck!
Friend has Sattelite internet as it was about the only reliable option. Dialup was dodgy, and cellphone coverage was patchy. So 2 way dish on the roof was the best option. One thing she has found, the dish doesn't like ice, a heavy frost would put it out untill the sun came up and melted the ice. Could be an issue for people in really cold climates where the ice doesn't melt for days?
If you have good cellphone coverage around your house then that should be cheaper and more reliable, plus it works from any place you can get covereage if you have a laptop.
Ian
Quote from: Warbird on January 14, 2010, 02:21:59 PM
- How far away from the closest cell tower are you?
1/2 mile
- Do you have line of site to the cell tower?
Yes
- What kind of cell phone reception do you get at your house, where the computer will sit?
Great...maxed out signal
- Does the cell company offer at least 3g?
Yes
So...I figured I would get on the 3g network easy. Wrong...our tower is in a rural area and never equipped with the right stuff for 3g. We do get 3g but off another tower and the signal is poor at best.
The 3g signal is in a different band than the voice stuff and poorer reception is expected...especially in buildings. That's why they give ya the free test period, so you can make sure it will work for you.
Quote from: Ianab on January 14, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
Friend has Sattelite internet as it was about the only reliable option. Dialup was dodgy, and cellphone coverage was patchy. So 2 way dish on the roof was the best option. One thing she has found, the dish doesn't like ice, a heavy frost would put it out untill the sun came up and melted the ice. Could be an issue for people in really cold climates where the ice doesn't melt for days?
If you have good cellphone coverage around your house then that should be cheaper and more reliable, plus it works from any place you can get covereage if you have a laptop.
Ian
Ian,
Tell your friend to put a plastic garbage bag over her dish, that's what we do here to keep the snow and ice off our TV satellite dish. Take it off in the spring as the bees like to build nests in there.
John
I had a neighbor that had satellite, I asked him how it worked .He said it works great, when it works.
Stonebroke
Maybe technologie has changed some , but I dont seam to have the issues to the extent that some of you are telling about the satelight connections .
I have an Aircard and it works great. I travel all over the state (sometimes the hole midwest) for work and it always works good. I would not have it any other way.
Recently, there was a telemarketing business that had to move for renovations. Some workers had to work from home. But, those that lived in rural areas only have dialup and satellite. The company laid those folks off because they needed cable internet. So, that's enough for me. I have heard many complaints on the radio about satellite. They even block some access to Canadian sites, not the ISP, but the websites block US access. That's right, the provider for Xplorenet is actually in DC. CBC blocks access to our local CBC news from being accessed from the US. ::)
Quote from: Ianab on January 14, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
One thing she has found, the dish doesn't like ice, a heavy frost would put it out untill the sun came up and melted the ice. Could be an issue for people in really cold climates where the ice doesn't melt for days?
ditto the frost....
install a liberal coating of Pam on the dish.. it helps...
Quote from: isawlogs on January 14, 2010, 07:45:59 PM
Maybe technologie has changed some , but I dont seam to have the issues to the extent that some of you are telling about the satelight connections .
location.... location.... location...
Quote from: wi woodcutter on January 14, 2010, 08:03:35 PM
I have an Aircard and it works great. I travel all over the state (sometimes the hole midwest) for work and it always works good. I would not have it any other way.
except Western CO, MT, WY, eastern UT, northern ID, most of the Bitterroot and south central AR...
Quote from: IMERC on January 14, 2010, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: Ianab on January 14, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
One thing she has found, the dish doesn't like ice, a heavy frost would put it out untill the sun came up and melted the ice. Could be an issue for people in really cold climates where the ice doesn't melt for days?
ditto the frost....
install a liberal coating of Pam on the dish.. it helps...
even better is the dry lube used on cutting tools...
Having had satellite for 6 years I would consider it again only as a last resort.
This is what I wrote before:
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,40820.msg588627.html#msg588627
Test the cellular, they usually have a 30 trial. Verizon has MiFi - a mobile wireless hotspot, that looks reasonably priced.
Look for a Wireless Internet Service Provider (WISP) in you area. They use a directional WiFi connection that is typically faster, cheaper, and more stable than cellular or satellite.
I use a WISP here at the house, as I am unable to get DSL nor cable. When he hasn't over subscribed his line, service is adequate. Way better than cell/satellite. Of course, they had to put a 40' pole on the roof of my house to get the line of site required...
I'm not sure if this will be of interest to anyone, but starting tomorrow McDonald's will have free wi-fi access for anyone.
i use verision air card. have had it for 2 years and amsatisfied with it. one tip unless you are really close to their tower or if you have metal siding on your house put the air card on an extension cable. i put the card in the window at my house and it works fine most of the time. like most systems the speed will vary. i have heard that some of the slowdowns are not verisions fault it varies with how many people are downloading an item at the same time.
We have had satellite for a couple of years our old dial up was so slow it would drop out out constantly initially it was 14kbs and later got to 32, as we have poor telephone landlines and no cell/mobile phone coverage the Govt paid for installation of satelite. i live in a high rainfall, wind frost area and this all plays havock with it, the satelite was out for a month from 10th Dec and the company supplied dial up, sure glad to get back to satellite. My wife said I had to give up Austar TV to afford the satellite, but that was O.K.
The company will be installing a bracket on our dish next to stop it moving, the technician said it has to hit an object 35000km's away the size of a VW bug with a lazer beam, if the satellite moves 1inch it can be out heaps over that distance. I would like to get a small lap top with the cell conection so I can take it with me of a day to muck about on the stock market during my rest breaks....Hope extra time on the stock market doesn't brake me financially and send me back to dial up.
We would have 3g through Verizon. The signal will likely not be that strong and I am already planning of getting a 65 dB booster. Hopefully, I will be able to time it all that I can return every bit within 30 d if it does not work.
I have been using Verizon's 3G network with a Verizon USB727 cellular modem attached to a Cradlepoint MBR1000 cellular & wireless-N router, for a little over two years now. It's a far sight better than dialup but nowhere near cable. I used to be on Comcast cable but we can't get it here, so the cell internet took some getting used to (speed-wise) but we've adapted. There is a 5GB limit per month on downloads, although my bill and contract says I'm unlimited, they slow you WAY down if you exceed it. I've never taken the modem out of the router for a laptop, we have four desktops and an iPod accessing the wireless network at any given time. It works fairly well but things like song downloads and YouTube are a crapshoot, and forget streming video or something like Netflix. I do have an add-on antenna but am at the fringe of the area and only get two bars. Service rarely goes down, things just tend to get slow. Supposedly AT&T now has 3G on nearby towers, my brother says he gets five bars and full 3G in my basement with his iPhone, and so we are likely going to switch to AT&T in the very near future. I won't be grandfathered into the 5GB limit anymore, but they slow me down anyway so I don't really care. It's kind of a 'soft' limit anyway, depending on regional usage.
Thanks Engineer. It sounds like you have a very similar situation to me. I am hopeful that we will get a good signal with the booster. I was told that we will need a dual frequency booster as data is transmitted at 1900 MHz but voice is at 800.
I will have to check on that booster today,
What does it cost where you are?
I called Verizon today and got the following prices: $60 for cellular modem, 5GB for $60 per month, and requires a 2 year contract. There was a couple other charges added up to $50.
This is about the same price as Hughs Satelite.
There putting up towers around the rural areas for line of sight type internet connections. I don't think it's cellular it's the other that some of you mentioned (WISP). I think they said 160 towers will be in place by June this year. We'll see. In all likelihood, none will be installed here. Royalton is on a back side of a long ridge, you make the crest of that ridge and you look down into Knoxford and across the river valley. So, unless I see towers on that ridge line, I'll be stuck will dialup.
Quote from: D._Frederick on January 19, 2010, 04:06:39 PM
What does it cost where you are?
I called Verizon today and got the following prices: $60 for cellular modem, 5GB for $60 per month, and requires a 2 year contract. There was a couple other charges added up to $50.
This is about the same price as Hughs Satelite.
Its the same here in Michigan. I just checked into the aircard for Lou the first week in December and Verizon quoted about the same thing as I recall
Hey SD, don't give up yet. We live out in the sticks, and there are a couple of line of sight towers. Sounds like we are as far or farther from a major population center than you are there. :)
We will be changing cell companies and will have our phone sevice through them as well. Based on my understanding of their plan (may be wrong as it is less than 'transparent'), it will cost us about 150.00/month for three phones, unlimited text, unlimited data, and 5 Gigs/month internet using a tethered phone as a modem. It would add another 15/month for a USB or card modem. Right now, we pay 80 for 2 phones with no text or data and 25 for a land line. So, I figure going the Verizon route (if it will work where we live) will provide a third phone for my soon-to-be teenager, text (which is all he would use) and internet for another 45 bucks.