Thanks for the welcome. Raining today so no roofing, Yea!. We're about got the outside of the house finished. Used two by eight poplar siding that I had the Amish cut for me. Soaked it in homemade boracare type solution, and cut laps in it and ran it horizontally. Ran strips on each stud after putting osb and house wrap to fasten to so it would have an air space behind to dry out instead of holding moisture. Going to water proof it with a homemade solution of wax, mineral spirits, and linseed oil. Did the trim work around the windows and doors with pressure treated wood. Most of the house has porches so that will help keep the rain off most of the siding. I used pressure treated and 6/6 posts and beams pressure treated on the porches. Notched them all together instead of just nailing them up. Everything is on conventional foundation with footing and concrete blocks so no wood on or close to the ground. We did the eaves with white tin. I'll try to plant a tree later. Things I like about this site. The friendly chat. The information. The pictures. And the way somebody like arkansas sawyer and others can take a log or piece of log and cut it into those great looking boards. Now if I could just figgure out some way to cut logs on my tablesaw! Again, thanks for the welcome. I know this sounds crazy but I feel like I about know a lot of yall already, I've read so many of the post here.
been hanging around here quite a long while now, couple of months or so, mostly since I found non-professionals weren't welcome to post, over yonder. Don't have a mill, but I like wood, working with wood, preserving wood, and the wife and I are building our house, finally after about 20 years or so, and three kids. Old timey looking, with all the modern conveniences. I am also a roofing contractor. If I had a question, or a occasional opinion would it be OK to ask or maybe sound off here from time to time considering I'm not a professional?
Well, if ya don't I would be mighty disappointed.
You are absolutely welcome here as is the whole family. Besides, I'm going to probably need a roof next year and you can answer some of MY questions down da road. ;) :)
Welcome CK.
Many of the folks here are not 'professionals'. You should check out the Timbeframe section for some house building tips. The only rules are to keep the conversation civil and remember this is a family forum.
If you decide to stick around please go to the members map, plant your tree and let us know some more about you.
Looking forward to your posts.
Wecome cktate, I did alot of roofing myself in my younger yrs. Poor old knees can really tell it now.
EZ
Welcome aboard cktate, don't ever worry about asking a "non-professional" question here. The neat thing about FF is nobody will ever give ya a hard time about asking questions. :)
What's a professional? I never could figure that out. I think it is one who gets paid for what he does. That doesn't mean he knows anything :D
Welcome to the forestryforum. We depend on volume for intelligence. ;D while some of these guys are brilliant, so are the rest :D :D
Welcome CKTate, man where were you earlier this Fall when I needed a roofer? :D I got id done though. Put tin over a 3 tab after putting down some sheets of gold plated 4 ply 1/2" sheeting. The DanG sheeting was more than the tin; $2400.
Anyway, as I always told my students there is no stupid question, only poor listeners. 8) 8) 8) :P
Welcome a board. Becareful this site can be contageous in getting hooked on buying a mill. :-/
Welcome cktate!
Hey you can cut logs on your table saw, just not very big ones! :D
I've seen some pretty hefty table saws. Seen one 48in blade used to cut squares on .Took me two years to get my saw going :o.Fifteen hundred bucks and the same amount of hours Welcome carful sawdust fever big saw or small all the same 8)
Welcome cktate !
Tell me do you stop roofing every time it rains? Last two metal roofs I laid were in th rain. Metal roofs make good slides in rain especially with cooler temps. :D :D
My first table saw - log cutting experience was with a farm-all tractor, belt driven circular blade on an A frame with badly deteriorating makeshift table. I was 16 at the time and learned the term "zing-fling" (Oten when things did not line up right ya better watch out). :D :D :D :D
Stephen, I have in the past roofed in the rain, wind, and snow. Coldest I ever put on shingles was 18 degrees. Now I'm older, wiser, lazier, more scared of getting hurt and getting others hurt etc. Also a little more financially stable, thankfully. About 5 or 7 years ago I had a employee that told me him and his dad had sunk some walnut in a lake and left it about 10 years ago. I thought he was NUTS. That wood's gonna rot in the bottom of that lake, or so I thought. He kept telling me he wished he had a bandsaw mill. Again I thought he was nuts. Can't cut logs with a bandsaw, break the blade. Later after a little investigation, and having some logs cut with a bandsaw mill, I realized, and confessed, that I was the one that was nuts. Been nuts ever since. I had a neighbor who used to buy old circle saw mills, set them up, rebuild them, use them awhile, and then resell. Used to go over and help sometimes just for the fun of it.
WELCOM CKTATE . IM ALSO NEW .GOOD PEPOLE HERE ALMOST LIKE FAMILY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOUR HOMEMADE SEALER THANK YOU.
stump_jumper, I didn't invent this stuff but I did a fair amount of research coming up with the recipes. Spraying all the wood on the outside of my house would have cost me a small fortune if I had to buy all the stuff ready made. I let all the wood air dry and cut it before applying the homemade boracare. Then I let it sit awhile on the house before applying the waterproofing.
This will not water proof the wood but will keep bugs out and is commenly used on log homes, (or so I am told) homemade wo
od preserative, This is equivalent to Bora-Care® diluted with an equal volume of glycol to make it fluid enough to use handily;
1 Gallon glycol antifreeze, 4 1/2 pounds borax, 3 1/2 pounds boric acid.
To make a stable solution you mix the ingredients and heat till boiling gently. Boil off water until a candy termometer shows 260°F. This removes most of the water of crystallization in the borax. This solution is stable at 40°F and has a borate content of 26%. This is equivalent to Bora-Care® at about $90/gal. for the concentrate which makes 2 Gallons.
homemade water proofing treatment> Ingredients:
1½ cups boiled linseed oil
1 ounce of paraffin (substitute carnauba or wood rosin wax, provided they contain no
prohibited substances)
Enough solvent (distilled pine tar, mineral spirits, paint thinner, turpentine, citrus
thinner, or whatever is approved) at room temperature to make the total volume of the mix one full gallon.
The following wood-preservative recipe was developed by the USDA's Forest Products Laboratory (FPL) to protect wood used above ground for up to 20 years
Directions:
Melt the paraffin over water in a double boiler. Do not heat over a direct flame. Away from the heat source, stir the solvent vigorously, and then slowly stir in the melted paraffin. Add the linseed oil and continue to stir thoroughly. Apply by dipping the untreated lumber in the mixture for three minutes or by brushing a heavy application across the wood's grain and on the cut ends of the lumber. The wood can be painted when it's thoroughly dry.
I can let yall know in about 20 years if all this works. If you cook up the antifreeze stuff, don't smell the fumes, and don't do it in the house.
Howdt cktate!
Where abouts in no mississippi are you? I saw trees down yer way on occassion. :)
What "over yonder" were you talking 'bout bein' so professional--all of us workin' men too :D ;D :D
UrbanLogger
North Ms, right between tupelo, and new albany. When we started building the house I knew I wanted to use yellow poplar siding because it sits where my grandpa's old barn was. Probably not as good as cedar, or cypres, but what I wanted to use. The siding on it was yellow poplar, fuzzy grey and hard as a rock even after all them years. When I bought this place I fixed up a lot of the old barn using white oak. After a few years termites got into the oak, but they'd just scratch the poplar and quit. My grandpa built the barn in 1963 so it wasn't that ole in itself, but all the lumber in it was salvaged out of an old house that was over a hundred years old. I was about 6 years old and of course helped him some, mostly removing nails from the old siding. Wanting help in figguring all this out I found the other site, and although i got a lot of help from some of the folks, mostly just dry comments from the proffesor. Then a few months or so ago they got in a flap about nonprofessionals (I really truly wasn't involved) and since I didn't have a sawmill and cut about a million or so board feet of lumber every day I just politely said goodby and cut out. I recon their defination of a professional and mine was different. And I think I'd rather associate with craftsman type professionals who can pull up a limb, or a log, or logs, and turn it into boards, and have fun doing it.
Think I read some were poplor unpainted would last 150 years painted 100 either one will do me .Have been sawing sone latley it saws good cuts almost as eask as my finger did Sat. ; Never posted anywhere but here. I like the FFF just findtoo.
Welcome C K,
All of us over here is perfezonal of one sort or another ;DIf we don't know the answers,we just make it up as we go along ,more fun that way
Hi, CK,
Got a question for you already.
Got some guys building for us. They were discussing how they were going to shingle a portion of the roof that is 12/12 pitch. One guy says he can walk on it :o Ya reckon he can? ;D
CK
Welcome to the forum.
Bro Noble
Looks like the turkey is running scared. Happy Thanksgiving!!
:D :D :D
cktate,
I figured you done your share in the rain. It has been two years since I roofed those two log homes. Fell off the last one - into a pile of sheet metal which broke my fall, uninjured. ::)
A year ago did a roof on the Oregon Coast (literally), kind of nice listening to the waves hitting the surf below. Used a new plastic composite in the form of cedar shakes. Light gray in color and slippery in colder temps. 8)
NOBLE
I have walked on 12/12 roof..............of course I was tied into an Oregon White Oak at the time. 8)
Bro Noble, if your guy can walk a 12/12 roof I'd like to hire him, and his wings too. We use ladder scaffolds, toe boards, and a ladder hoist. Would save me a lot of time if he could tell me how to do it without all that equipment. dail_h I am honored to be amongst a bunch of real perfezonal's. Truly.
CK,
Welcome aboard. Great bunch here. Learned alot here mostly by accident. :D
Gus
12/12? Jeez Noble, where's the goat goona stay now? Under the porch is full with all them dogs. You gotta put a flat spot up there.
Mr. Jeff, bet he's gonna trade for a mountain goat! 8) I hear they like it steep!
CK,
The guys have toeboards, but they left them on the back side of the house which is already shingled. It's only 7/12 pitch but is about 40 ft in the air :o------the house is on a steep hill with a walkout basement. I heard them discussing who had to go retrieve the toeboards then they asked me if I didn't think they looked pretty nice there. Thought I might like to just keep them up there ::) I told them I was a little suspicious of them when I saw they just had one old square and about a dozen nail bars :D :D
Jeff,
I knew sooner or later I was bound to get some useful ideas from you. You know how you name the rooms of your cabin with animal names-------well--------we're gonna have a 'goatroom' and if you don't quit being so hard on me I'm gonna paint it pink before you visit ;D
Boy Noble I sure didn't know those guys at the CC company would get so mad about a small charge for a boat. I won't be using it anymore as Mark's has a higher limit. His wife told me she was going to call it in as stolen but changed her mind as I was charging less on it than him. ;D
So how many times have you nailed yourself to a roof? ???
Once the oldest son stepped on my air line just as I started to pull the trigger. Gun snapped back and shot a 1 1/4 roofing tack dead center in the old knee. Pulled it out with a claw hammer. It was late in the evening and I finished the day. Hurt like 60. Almost went into shock on the way home, not kidding. Wife didn't sleep much that night on account of my pityfull moaning. Got up the next day and went back to work. One of the guys had to help me up the ladder. By the end of the day worked a major part of the soreness out. Knew I had to keep using it to keep the blood circulating. Didn't want poison to set in. What use would a one legged roofer be?
That hurt just reading about it. :o
Steve
This happened a few years back....
My neighbor who was building his new home was, I thought to be a *profetional*,.....Well this pro was putting the garage walls up, it being attached to said house, He wanted 10 foot walls to be able to store his canoe over his car. Had the walls up and was nailling in the top plates in the corner , standing on the "NO STEP" of step ladder I sort of mention to him that it was not wise to be doing so and certainly not at the angle that he was trying hard to reach and that the air nailer that he was using had, sort of ,a short reach seeing that it was completly stretched out and pulling on the compresser, Mr. pro just looked at me and well, kept on trying to reach farther out , he had his left hand on the top of the plate and nailer in his wright ... Nailed the plate and his left hand on the rebound :o :o... Now here he is strugling like he** to staye on the ladder which is about to fall over and hold on to the dang gun...
let go the gun I telll him ....
no, get the ladder he says....
your on it ...
get another one...
You don't have another, just give me the dang gun and I'll give you a hammer....
What for..
Pull that nail out thats holding you up there...
You serious?????
Yep...No other way you got the ladder
Well he did finally take the hamer after some strugling to place the step ladder under him properly and did pull the nail not without a hole bunch of words that only another austrian
could understand.
Thats when I figured it all out,... I'll never think of myself as a profetional only someone that is willing to learn a little more then what I allready know.. and try to take advise from friends that may have your well being in mind.. ;)
Just trying to remember what I should allready know is hard enough.... ;)
BTW...... He finished the house whith a estwing ;D ;)
That reminds me of when I was going to vocational school back in 1972. I was doing some cutting with a gas torch when a fellow student (who happened to be a certified pipe welder) came over and started to give me a few pointers. Since I was taught welding in high school I obviously knew everything and informed him that I had experience and didn't need any help. About that time he said "well I hope they taught you what to do when your pants catch on fire!" Sure enough I looked down and my frayed pant legs were blazing pretty good. We were able to put them out without to much problem but right then and there I decided I would gladly listen to any advice people tried to give me. I don't always follow it, but at least I consider it.
So that's what happened to your pants :D
Now that we know about the pants, where did the shirt go to???
Come on guys, 1972, I always did wonder who INVENTED STREAKIN!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hey Mark your secret is out ;D cktate figured it out. 8)
BTW we also know that .....Florida Deadheader provided you those 'cardboard trunks' made from a florida orange box.........cause he felt sorry for ya! :D :D :D
:D :D :D They got ya figgered, Mark ;) :D :D :D
:D :) Yup! :) :D