I have been researching them a bit and get some varied answers to questions. The main one being, how much space does a miniature donkey require? I've read anywhere from 1/2 to 1 acre or more.
My wife was given a miniature this past Saturday. He is as gentle as a lamb, but is causing me a whole bunch of extra work. Fence, shelter, feed, etc. She named him Eeyore. I will get some pictures when the rain dies down some.
While I have never had a miniature donkey, I did buy a cute little jenny for my horse to pal around with. They are very smart little creatures, and they do respect electric fence if that is the route you want to take. I would imagine for a miniature that an acre would be plenty of pasture to keep her on. Folks up here put them in with the sheep to keep the coyotes away. Our donk not only kept away the coyotes, but also the dog and the cat and anything else that ventured into her pasture.
Can't wait to see pictures!
So, now you are a two jackass family ???
Yes Lynn, we are. At least that is what I was told by several different people... :D :D
Quote from: Radar67 on January 09, 2012, 01:13:30 PM
I have been researching them a bit and get some varied answers to questions. The main one being, how much space does a miniature donkey require? I've read anywhere from 1/2 to 1 acre or more.
My wife was given a miniature this past Saturday. He is as gentle as a lamb, but is causing me a whole bunch of extra work. Fence, shelter, feed, etc. She named him Eeyore. I will get some pictures when the rain dies down some.
Based upon the ones that we've had, it's best if you can allocate an acre or so, and then cross fence it into 3 or 4 different paddocks with electric fencing (stay away from barbed wire). Rotate him through a different paddock every week, allowing them time to recover. Othewise he will ovegraze part of the pasture, ignore the rest, and you'll get weeds in the overgrazed portion.
Most likely you will need to muzzle him for part of the day every day, especially in the spring (mini's tend to overgraze and can founder as a result).
Founder, as in the hoof problem? Where can you get a muzzle, and how would you size one? What is the concern with barbed wire? I am new to equines, so I may ask some strange questions.
I found on our donkey that when spooked she'd go right through the fence. Since we had electric fence up no big deal just put her back and repair the fence. If you have barbed wire you'll be looking at a vet bill.
I guess miniatures must be different because I never had a problem with foundering. All she'd do is get fat. :D
Surprisingly to people who have never been around them a donkey is pretty smart .A mule which is half donkey is pretty smart .A horse that people seem to love is stupid .
A mule or donkey is smart enough not to flounder itself like a horse will by raiding a corn field .A horse will pull it's guts out .A mule will give it a tug and if it can't move the load will just stop .
A saddle horse wants to trot which will beat the tar out of the rider .A mule has a different gait and is much more comfortable to ride .A mule or donkey for that matter has better footing that a horse . Never judge an equinine by the length of their ears . :D
Terry,
Maybe it will get out and become permanently lost :).
Quote from: Radar67 on January 09, 2012, 03:00:54 PM
Founder, as in the hoof problem? Where can you get a muzzle, and how would you size one? What is the concern with barbed wire? I am new to equines, so I may ask some strange questions.
Yes, as in the hoof problem. You have to be the most concerned in the spring time when the grass is really growing fast and has lots of nitrogen in it.
I'll check with my wife re the muzzle sources (and sizing).
Re the barbed wire, in general this is not a good idea for equine areas. If they spook, they will run right through the wire and get tangled up in it. Expect a large vet bill afterward.
Much better to either build a board fence or use an electric tape. The best equine electric fence product that I've found - by far - is Horseguard Fence Prodeucts (do a google search on Horseguard fence).
Thanks for the info guys, and gals. I will look into the fencing you suggest. For the time being, I may have to use barbed wire. Over the last couple of days, he seems very calm. He will eyeball the cats and chickens closely, but continue to stand there with his ears raised. He only seems a little skiddish when you first approach him in the dusky dark. I have found if I speak to him from a distance in those times, he is calmer. I have not introduced him to the dog yet, and likely will be extremely slow about doing this. Sawyer, the German shepherd, likes to show off as aggressive until he can get a good smell of the outside creatures, yet the cat in the house will swat his nose and he just whimpers.
Danny, I'm afraid if that occurred, I would have to be "lost" as well, until I could find him. ;)
Be real careful with the dog. Ours looked about as tame as you can get but the dog wandered into her paddock one day and the donkey went after her with the intention of killing her. She got in a couple of real good licks with her front hooves before the bewildered dog made it under the hot wire. Patty and I were in the paddock but couldn't react fast enough even though I'm not sure we could have made a difference even if we could have. The dog and donk were well acquainted up to that point but it was the first time she'd gone in their paddock.
My wife and dad each have a miniature horse, they are real characters, and yes you will probably be lost a time or two trying to find your ash, oops, I mean donkey ;D. The little old ladies at the assisted living here just love my wifes little "Tipper", even while he's eating the flowers off their porches :D. Don't ask what my step children think of him though, they've had to get him back too many times and he is clever (and very evasive), she even taught him to sit and shake, he's kept in very good fencing on the outskirts of town but like I said, he's clever and every once in awhile he goes and makes his rounds about town. ;)
Radar, I received a 10% discount coupon from Horseguard in my e-mail earlier today; if you'll send me a PM with your e-mail address I'll be glad to forward it on.
I double checked with Laureen this morning about the founder - she was adamant about the importance of using a muzzle at certain times of the year. I'll see if I can get her to log in later today and share some advice.
Scott
I think were in need of a picture of the critter. :)
We have a miniature sicilian ass here on the farm to act as a guard animal. He is free to roam larger pastures (20+ acres with the cows and horses, but could probably survive in a large backyard if need be. We feed him the worst quality hay we have (basically baled up weeds), try to keep him in the woods pasture during the spring and early summer (so he eats twigs and brush), and he is still overweight.
Donkeys make good gaurd animals against coyotes and wolves therefor they aren't good around dogs. Our neighbors dog got loose and started chasing the cows and the mini donkey kicked that dog hard and kept kicking until we came to its rescue, and by then it was too late for the poor dog. So if you or a neighbor have a dog around keep them away...
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I will have to get a picture of him. It has been raining or dark every time I get a chance to go out with him, so it has been a challenge.
I knew donkeys did not like canines and made good guard animals, so I am leary of letting the dog around him. Good thing about my dog, he is never outside off lead, unless I am throwing the ball for him, usually in a completely different location. The ball is his only concern during those times. :)
Which ass do you want a picture of Jeff? My wife has two of them now, at least that is what she tells everyone. ;)
I said Critter. ;)
I'm keeping quiet. smiley_lipsrsealed
Don't forget them suckers can and will BITE :o
Okay Jeff, here are the pictures you requested.
Let me introduce Eeyore. (wife's donkey, so she named him)
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He does not like the halter. It is not sized properly and he keeps pulling it off his nose. Since he is so close to the house, he gets babied every hour or so and the youngest can see him from her bedroom window. I will visit with him again the final time tonight around midnight.
And here is Sawyer at the other end of the house.
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Those two will have to come to terms :).
:D They will come to terms in time .When I was a teenager my father had a thing for Shetland ponys .His stud named Skippy was an Arabian Shetland strong as a mule and wild as a marsh hare .
That pony would beat the tar out of my big German short hair pointer but one day they just came to terms for whatever reason .The dog weighed about 85 pounds and the pony about 350 -400 .
I wonder if that is the same species that kept visiting me while I was sawing the past Summer?
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I guess that these are the full sized donkeys, but they are marked the same.
Magic those are the fullsize Sicilian asses. You can tell a Sicilian by the cross (dark stripe down the spine and across the front shoulders).
Radar's and mine are of the miniature variety.
Are you saying that they are both Sicilian donkeys, just full sized and minatures?
Correct.
I really like that second picture of Eeyore. Looks like it could be on a calender.
According to legend these are the donkeys that either Mary rode into Bethlehem or Christ rode somewhere ??? and they've been marked with a cross ever since. There's a Biblical explanation for the cross marking on their back :) My neighbor has some but I think he calls his Jacobean donkeys ??? They look identical to these :) They're cool little fellas :) ;D :) and they eat hay ;) ;D
I need one to take to Colorado for a pack animal, cause this old jackass has tired bones. ;D
Lynn, a miniature measures 36 inches or less at the withers. The miniature can only carry 80 to 100 pounds and can pull a small cart. For you purposes, you would have to have a full sized donkey.
My daughters brought a friend out to see him yesterday while I was out getting the pictures. The second he saw them come around the corner, he made a bee line for them. When one daughter would finish petting him, he would nuzzle up to the other. This went on the whole time they were out there. :)
They had a clip about donkeys on the History Channel tonight.
Terry, cute donkey and Sawyer is a great looking dog.
Did you get your fencing completed yet?
I have a full size donkey named Bob that looks like your's only about 700+ pounds. Bob has been here for 16 of his 17 years and no problem with foundering even though he is never restricted. We have 2 adjoining farms and rent out the house on the one near Bobs pasture. I once told some new tenants to make sure they kept their German Shepard dog out of the pasture and they started to assure me the dog wouldn't hurt the donkey, they looked very surprized when I said I wasn't worried about the donkey because he would stomp the dog to death in a few moments if given a chance. They kept their dog tied!
The fence will be complete tomorrow. I got the posts and bracing up today.
It's a survival instinct inbred into donkeys .They're just like a moose in they don't differenciate between a dog and a wolf . If it has teeth ,a tail that wags and acts like a wolf it must be a wolf in their minds eye .
The mustangs they pull off the western ranges have the same trait .
OK donkey fans help me out here. My wife "rescued" a standard sized Jenny the day before Christmas. For the first week and a half, she was sweet as could be, we could handle her all we wanted, go in her stall with her, no problems. Since then, she has done her best to kick every member of the family, the vet, the farrier, and anything else she gets close to. I am getting to the end of my rope here, she is going to have to straighten up or move on in the next couple of weeks.
I have to say, she does make a great guard animal. Nobody comes down our driveway now without a very vocal announcement from Holly the Christmas donkey.
Amelia
I'd say the donkey has found out how it can be the "boss" and some "training" is needed.
Maybe some "horse whisperer" reading is in order.
When we got out first Donkey he tried to push us around, but you have to push back and show them that you are in charge. If you pull on their whiskers when they do something bad they will slowly learn what not to do IME.....
People say they are dumb or stubborn, but in reality they are very smart and are usually trying to outsmart us.....
I come from the old school of horse training, one that kicks gets a 2x4 right between the ears. Two kicks gets two whacks and so on. Didn't take mine long to decide I had an unlimited supply of 2x4s.
When I was around 8 years old I saw my Uncle coming through the fence to the field behind our place,carrying his son Andy who was about 3 then and his other son Rick walked along side.
It looked like Andy had bright ribbon in his blonde hair til we got closer and saw he was limp and covered with blood on his face and arms.
My Uncle was loading his truck with manure from the barn and Adeline,the Donkey took a dislike to the boys and knocked them both down and stomped Andy,while Rick was able to roll out of the way.My Uncle had to beat and stab Adeline with the fork to get in and grab Andy.
The donkey must learn who is the boss and who is not. Right now, she is the boss at your house, and will continue to be until you convince her otherwise.... She wants to hurt you, hurt her back more until she understands the lesson.
If she decides to bite, I learned from a horse lady, that a sharp uppercut to her chin (she won't be able to see it coming) will sop the biting. This tactic won't make her head shy, because if done correctly she will not see your fist coming up under her chin. She will just know that every time she takes a bite, she gets whacked and it hurts.
Tough love! ;)