Does anyone know what Pine saw logs are bringing at the mills? I know mills buy by the ton and that's fine.
I'm wanting to post an ad locally and accept Pine logs. Do ya'll know what I should offer a BF?
Thanks, David
Free haul away and disposal ;D
Quote from: tyb525 on July 29, 2012, 05:12:07 PM
Free haul away and disposal ;D
Sounds good, but I don't haul. Gotta bring 'em to me just like taking them to the mill.
I have been getting FREE logs from tree trimmers for over a year and it seems this method is drying up FAST.
No one is removing trees right now.
my local mill is paying $.20/board foot on the Doyle scale Delivered to their yard, regardless of grade.
It's a buyers market right now.
Gate price here around $50 a ton. 25 tons on the truck (average). Timber markets are very localized, so take that with a grain of salt. Biggest problem would be unloading, I would think.
I would think about $45 per ton for 8" top minimum. The problem would be getting a logger willing to haul you just a few loads for that price, so you might have to sweeten the deal to make it worth their while. I agree that unloading would be the issue. When I have bought a truckload in the past, I had them drop the trailer at the end of the day on Friday so that I had the weekend to pull all the logs off with my tractor on Saturday and Sunday, so early on Monday morning, they came back and picked up the trailer. That way, their trailer was not tied up waiting on me to unload a log at a time.
I put an ad on C.C. about 2 hours ago. I had a logger call me just now who is bringing me approx. 3,000bf of 10'6" saw logs this Thursday.
We haggled on the price and he accepted $1.50 BF on the Doyle. I was thinking this seems pretty good.
Our mills will not accept anything over 22 dib. The larger logs is what I will be buying up to 33".
I am TIRED of all the METAL from tree trimmers and since their business has slowed down, now is a good time to bite the bullet and buy nice saw timber.
Plus the tree trimmers bring me smaller logs and you work yourself to death trying to saw 150 boards a day.
With larger saw logs, it'll be easier to meet by personal daily quota and no metal since it's coming from a plantation, not a back yard.
earlier this year a pallet mill was buyin , delivered to their yard, 10 to 14 in dia or so white pine for 2 bux, and red pine/jack pine for 3 bux a running foot. i havent calculated what it was for board foot.
Dang David, You're too far away. I just turned down about a load and a half for the hauling.
Quote from: Buck on July 29, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
Dang David, You're too far away. I just turned down about a load and a half for the hauling.
That's my luck Buck! :)
"I put an ad on C.C. about 2 hours ago. I had a logger call me just now who is bringing me approx. 3,000bf of 10'6" saw logs this Thursday.
We haggled on the price and he accepted $1.50 BF on the Doyle. I was thinking this seems pretty good."
I hope you meant $150 a thousand... $1.50 per board ft. Of pine is WAY high.We smile big up north here when we sell our maple veneer (rotary grade) for around that on average.Pine up here brings about $250/ thousand delivered in.
Quote from: ilog4u2 on July 29, 2012, 10:15:52 PM
I hope you meant $150 a thousand... $1.50 per board ft. Of pine is WAY high.We smile big up north here when we sell our maple veneer (rotary grade) for around that on average.Pine up here brings about $250/ thousand delivered in.
I've been scratching my head and doing the math on that one myself. I just didn't want to be the first one to speak up and show my ignorance if I was missing something! However, if you really mean $1.50 a board foot, then I can have some log strucks rolling north in the morning!! ;D
I think I'll send one south ;D Clear this up for us Poston, $150MBF is giveaway price up here, $1.50 per bf, I'm comin south to log pine so I can supply you :o
Quote from: barbender on July 29, 2012, 11:33:19 PM
I think I'll send one south ;D Clear this up for us Poston, $150MBF is giveaway price up here, $1.50 per bf, I'm comin south to log pine so I can supply you :o
I just came in and checked to see if I had anymore replies............HOLY MOLY........
What I meant to say was $150.00 a thousand Board Feet is what I'm paying for saw logs.
Sometimes my fingers don't do what I am thinking. :D
I just spoke to a guy yesterday local here, he has some very nice pine logs,12-14 of them, 16'-6" each, and approx. 22-28 inches dia each.
Told me I could come get them for $300 a thousand. Sounds a bit high to me, especially having to pickem' up.These were taken down by powerline service guys alongside a major highway, therefore they likely have major metal in them as well. I'm sure he got them for free.
Most of the time I get pine free. When I don't get it free I usually pay .14 a foot doyle.
Last commercial mill around here that would take pine was at $200.00 per thousand Doyle, 16" minimum, nothing smaller.
$275 per thousand delivered here.
Quote from: CalebL on July 30, 2012, 05:55:52 PM
Most of the time I get pine free. When I don't get it free I usually pay .14 a foot doyle.
14 cents sounds like a SWEEEET DEAL! If they're good saw logs.
$150/MBF Doyle is a SWEEEET DEAL too, for the size logs that you are talking about!
The going rate in most parts of the South for tree-length pine sawtimber stumpage less than 26" on the butt is about $25/ton. That is $200/MBF Doyle on the stump. This is before any logging and hauling.
I wish that I had you working for me in the 1990's when I was procuring wood for a large pine sawmill :) That mill used 100 loads per day.
Our local mill ..."CHESTER WOOD PRODUCTS" takes BIG logs to produce plywood. They have MORE THAN a full lot right now and are not accepting logs at this time. Some of these loggers are getting hungry. I had another fellow call me today that has 6 acres of logs measuring 28 inch dbh. He says he will saw them and haul them to me for $100.00 a thousand. That's what I offered him because I was hoping he would say no because I have all those other logs coming Thursday. Well...shoot.....he said $100.00 was good for him, he needs the money and he only lives 11 miles from me.
With all the logs coming, my Dad said I should look into a new market to saw and sell log cabin logs since all the logs will be uniform. Might not be a bad idea.
But I have to remember, all I have told you......not a log has shown up yet. :D The first load should be here Thursday. I'll take a few pics when and if they come in.
$100/MBF won't pay for the cut and haul. They must really be hurting. Check into it enough to assure yourself that the wood is not stolen. That is a problem that you do not need.
Quote from: WDH on July 30, 2012, 09:17:37 PM
$100/MBF won't pay for the cut and haul. They must really be hurting. Check into it enough to assure yourself that the wood is not stolen. That is a problem that you do not need.
This particular guy is not a logger.....just a private farmer who cannot get anyone to cut his logs because he said that (they say) 6 acres was to small of a job. He has a loader and trailer and says the topography is level enough to where he can get to them with no trouble. Right now it's dry as a bone up here so I hope he starts cutting.
That sounds perfect.
150/1000 bf here for logs. $17 a ton for pulpwood. wish you were closer i could bring you plenty of good logs. :)
You may as well sell the logs as pulpwood for that price :).
At 150 per thousand, is the landowner paying to have them removed, or giveing them away?
Quote from: terry f on July 31, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
At 150 per thousand, is the landowner paying to have them removed, or giveing them away?
I have know idea. I know the logger. I mean we are not good friends , but I know him through his family. I called my head forester that works with us and he said the guy that I'm buying the logs from is on the 'HONEST LIST".
I don't mean anything shady, I just don't see much left for the landowner for anything under 200.
Quote from: terry f on July 31, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
I don't mean anything shady, I just don't see much left for the landowner for anything under 200.
I see what your saying now Terry......Good point.
logging cost = $150/mbf+ trucking $50/mbf means we need to get $275 straight thru or better to make it worth while for the land owner.
We figure around $40 a cord up here for logging, $20-$30 for trucking, so we need to get $140mbf delivered plus whatever stumpage we pay. After our recent windstorm, one local pine mill dropped it's price to $140mbf, cutthroat thieves. So all these landowners are stuck with big pine on the ground that needs to be cut, but it's not worth anything right now. Crummy deal. Bill, $150mbf for the logging cost, you must eat steak every night ;D
Bills numbers seem in line or a little low from what I've heard around here. I've heard up to 250 to get it to the mill, but no personal experience with it.
Hi all, some times you can get a good deal on logs. I got the W pine for the trucking price only. 6500 bf for $ 340.00. some box wood but alot of nice stuff too :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2516.JPG) all the junk I put in the 1 ton and bring it to a guy that has a outside wood B.
Peter,take the good with the bad.
Nice score, Peter!
Nice logs, you have to get them sawed in to lumber in two weeks or it will stain.
16 yrs ago i got $44. mbf to put logs on the landing, we tryed to get 10,000 bf a day.
POSTON, have you got any logs yet?? Pics??
Are you gonna be the Bibbyman of SC now?
Sounds like you'll need to read the log lot management problem thread that Bibby started!
Quote from: tyb525 on August 06, 2012, 02:25:16 PM
POSTON, have you got any logs yet?? Pics??
Are you gonna be the Bibbyman of SC now?
Sounds like you'll need to read the log lot management problem thread that Bibby started!
Yes I have got my logs in. I bought 2 loads......right at 4,000 bf doyle. I'll try to get some pics tomorrow. There are 5 acres on this tract. The logger is gonna give me all the Cedar for free if I come and limb them. Plus he will load them on his truck and bring them to me after I limb them. Not bad.....only 4 miles down the road.
Not worried about Blue Stain. Around here blue stain in Pine is like grits......it's a way of life. :)
Got your logs on doyle, you should make out like a bandit.thats like 6000 bf International log rule. no mater how you cut your logs you will be way ahead. and free cedar.not bad for a newbe :D :D :D ;D
Here's the small whack the Logger brought in. All were sawn to my length specs
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This log was 33 inches on the big end. I was able to get 28 / 1 inch x 8 inch x 10 foot long boards out of it. 28 boards at $3.50 is $98.00. I got a few 8 foot boards also. Really good log......got me over $100.00 for one log.
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For sawyers who don't know, I always place the log with the butt toward the beginning of the cut. It helps me whittle it down quicker and without worrying about getting the blade guides hung up.
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One NICE cant. Some very nice lumber came out of this BIG log.
Are those hands hanging from the wall in the last picture? smiley_confused
Quote from: Mark Wentzell on August 08, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Are those hands hanging from the wall in the last picture? smiley_confused
I put this sign up last year to make people think BEFORE they approached the mill while it is in operation.
It works.
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;) I need one of those signs 8) I tell everyone stay on this side of the head but sure enough they want to see the other side sooner or later. So I shut everything down and ask them are they really prepared to see the other side of life as well? 8) at the mill distance is a friend.
At least you have one foot left to hop around on ;D.
Are they real? :o :D
Those are some dang nice logs you have there David ;) ;D 8) smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
What blade configuation are you using on those Pines there David?
Nice logs, and nice set up you have.
Quote from: Cypressstump on August 10, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
What blade configuation are you using on those Pines there David?
Nice logs, and nice set up you have.
Thanks......
I just use the 10 degree. They've seem to work pretty well.
Nice score on the logs. I think you will find that it is cheaper in the long run to cut good logs with minimal metal compared to tree service logs. This is not a slam on the work the tree service guys do just that the logs tend to have lots of metal. When you figure out blade cost, blade change time and time digging out the metal it all adds up fast. This is the reason the big mills don't like to take yard trees. Remember to that the larger the dia. the less over run on doyle scale you will get.
Looks like that you got et by a Panther.
David, that big cant is just beautiful. You got a good deal on those logs. I'm happy for you. I do feel kind of bad for the loggers in your area tho.
Happy sawing, Cutter
On the question posed in the OP.
Here in north Idaho $320/MBF Scribner for most fir/pine species. Cedar is $650/mbf. Way down from where prices were 7 years ago.
Nice job getting those logs bought right there David!
I have been trying to wrangle up just such a deal myself with no luck so far. Of course ours would be oak and 10'6'' logs are just what I need. I havn't tried putting an ad on CL because everyone who I have talked to says you will get half a million calls with folks wanting you to come cut out their yard tree that hangs out over their house.
I am going to have to get some logs from somewhere in the next couple weeks as I will be done with the job on my dad's land and I have a new standing order for 350 extra pieces a week. I have offered to pay $.25 doyle for pallet logs when the closest pallet mill is paying $.18 or $.22 and still havn't been able to get any bought.
I can scale them and I can unload them and I have a good all weather driveway suitable for a TT and I would pay upon delivery but I guess I havn't found the right logger yet. PC