I have a chalet about 1,000 sq. ft. I would like a back up heat source in case electricity goes out. The only stove I have looked at seriously is one made by lennox because I have a dealer that I trust nearby and he sells that brand. We have a pellet stove now also made by lennox but I dont want to rely on electricity for the several days it may go out. Thanks in advance for any info/advice
While I am sure you can get many suggestions for different indoor wood stoves (I have a Vermont Castings and they are no longer in business), you may want to think about a small generator for the chalet. Any wood stove can heat a house that small, but having some electricity will make your life fairly normal during power outages. It would also allow you to consider a pellet stove, if that's your preference.
Vermont Castings has been in business for over 35 years and is still going strong. My BIL has a pellet stove and will be getting rid of it. He is tired of listening to the noise and the maintenance.
Sorry about the Vermont Castings misinformation. I thought I read that they were out of business here on the Forum. I've had no issues with my Encore model. I, too, prefer a wood stove to pellet.
I have a Woodstock soapstone fireview stove. LOVE IT...This model has the catalytic combuster. It has not been any problem for me but my wood is quite dry.
I believe they are in Lebanon N.H.
As I understand it, Vermont Castings was bought out, and now not exactly the same as it was.
However, their website reads as if it is still "family" business going on 35 years.
http://vermontcastings.com/learn-and-inspire/about-vermont-castings/
But I now have the Defiant VC and it has been a great stove for 11 years.
Not sure what the future holds for future repair or replacement parts. Cross that bridge when the time comes.
Glassman, I would recommend a non-catalytic wood stove. Just one less thing to have a problem with. If your Lennox dealer sells Country Stoves I would recommend an S210. Country makes a good stove.
Hoss
thanks guys, I have a pellet stove right now for back up in case the furnace goes out. We have power outages that last a while around here due to heavy snowfall. I am looking for something that has no blower needs no electricity. The country pellet stove I have sits right next to the t.v. in the living room and it is a bit noisy we also have a humidifier running constantly in the winter. I put an ad on craiglist to trade the pellet stove and all stove pipe and hearth etc. for a good used small wood stove. Most of the replies the stoves are either really rusted, or are to large for this small of a house. I am reading stove reviews right now, the country dealers smallest country stove is 825.00 but the piping is more than that plus the hearth etc. We have only used my pellet stove about a dozen times now but still when the power goes out I have to go and get the generator going and it is a pain. thanks again,,,,,,ed
No electric required here.
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been there, what kind of stove is that one? Is that at your home? Man that is a good looking stove. I just went to vermont castings site. Reading up on catalytic vs. non catalytic etc. I have a call into my local dealer to see if there country stove has a blower on it. Does the hearth have to be raised up off the floor at all to meet code? That is very similar to what I want, I just dont have a lot of room for a hearth. The hearth under my pellet stove is 3 foot by 3 foot and we have just enough room to walk between the hearth and the couch to get upstairs. My dealer is swamped right now he is willing to sell me the stove pipe at near cost to help. I have done him many favors selling woodstove glass to him from my glass shop, so want to take advantage of that too. I am hoping he finds someone that wants a nice pellet stove then I can make a deal direct with him so he can make a little money too. thanks again,,,,,,,ed
hoss,
I was looking at country s-160 striker, they said its their best selling stove, non catalytic and one of the lowest emmisions for a non catalytic stoves on the market. They want $825.00 for that stove at my dealer.
ed
That is my Vermont Castings Defiant. The floor has a thin layer of cement board over the sheathing plywood with the tile on that. About 3/4" thick total. There is an optional fan for moving warm air away from the stove, but I don't have it and don't feel a need for it with the ceiling fans in this 24 x 30 room with cathedral ceiling.
It heats fine without using the catalytic converter, but uses a lot less wood if using the converter. Going on its 12th year with no problems. I don't burn anything in it that they say might mess up the converter.
The VC site has a manual that will give the suggested spacings needed to meet code.
We've had a Hearthstone "Phoenix" for 16 years and love.
http://www.hearthstonestoves.com/wood-stoves/stove-details?product_id=20
I've run traditional cast iron woodstoves of several different types for about 35 years. A few years ago, I decided to get a new stove. I looked and searched and researched, oh, you know, about the standard fortyleven times. What I have now, is not cast iron. It is steel, 5/16" with heat shrouds on the back and sides (can be mounted much closer to combustibles). It is of the catalytic, EPA, mobile home certified. It does have a blower, but I don't use it. Oh, and it does have a cast iron/glass door. The baffles are stainless steel, and I got a model that has an internal (operated from a handle outside the stove) 'damper' which is used to start the fire (no smoke in the house), but I also wanted it that way in case, someday, the catalytic craters. I like that it self cleans the glass....that just amazes me. :D
It is a Drolet, Baltic model, with a LARGE ash pan drawer. It is made in Canada. I'm into the fourth season with it, and it is marvelous in all regard, for us. I was skeptical of the catalytic, but not any more. My place is pretty sprawled out, with small rooms and cubbyholes a here and there. It heats it swell. Wood has been my primary heat source for those last 35 years or so.
The hearthstone site was interesting reading especially about the soapstone. The drolet site had all prices on their site which is something I have always liked. I definitely am getting an education. I heated a home 35 years ago with a wood stove that opened from the top or front we had it hooked up in the basement with a magic heat on it. I never had to even tie it into the furnace because we got so much heat on the floor it was amazing. Reading up on this is a lot of fun for me, we just got 6" of snow last night so this makes the evening go by quicker. Thank you for all the input,,,,ed
Glassman, The Country S160 is a good stove. The 160 stands for a 1.6 cubic foot firebox. The S210 is a 2.1 cubic foot firebox. The 160 also just happens to only put out 1.6 grams per hour of particulate matter---for years the cleanest burning stove in the US. The 210 allows a bit bigger log. I have always liked the idea of building a bigger fire when I want to. Both take the same blower, but I would try it first without the blower---it will part your hair and they are pretty expensive. I would stick with a non-cat stove. The only reason stoves have a cat is because they can not pass EPA emission standards with out one. They do nothing to help the efficiency. The size of the hearth pad is spelled out in the owners manual---possibly on line. All hearth pads are supposed to extend out in front of the stove the length of the open door. Just my thoughts.
Best of luck with your purchase.
Hoss
I've got a Vermont Castings Vigilant, sold front doors from the mid 80's. My first floor is about 1,000 square feet and I have a tight little stair case the heat wonders up to the bedroom. We put it on a large chunk of granite, looks great. No fans yet, and the first floor has gotten up to 89 degrees, but usually is around 75. :D
They are great stoves. Get the extra shrouding if it's offered as it will let you run closer tolerances to combustibles.
Hoss, I noticed the 160 has a 6 hour burn time while the 210 is 8 hours and the overall stove size is not that much bigger. The 210 is probably a better choice, they also have a demo unit there that they use thats about 3 years old. Brendon thanks for that info that makes me think the stove will heat my upstairs bedroom easily too. This is a good forum for getting unbiased info its not like going to a store with a pushy salesman :) thanks again,,,,,,ed
They say you need two holes in the ceiling to efficiently heat the upstairs. One for the hot air to rise, and one to push the cold air down.
I do not have this, but the upstairs does stay comfortable. One room is closed off, but like I said it finds it's way into the main room.
I plan on cutting holes, though not high on priority right now.
Brendon,
My chalet has the open cathedral ceiling then it is like a loft type bedroom and full bath upstairs, I have a ceiling fan in the living room too. I think the heat will be moved around easily with that fan. We had a total of 12" of snow in last 2 days, I am hoping we get a warm streak to clear the roof off before installation begins. thanks again for your input,,,,,ed
i have a 1700 sq ft ranch and just purchased a JOTUL (non cad). For us the 'OSLO' was the perfect size but they do make a smaller one. GREAT stove. Here is their web site if you want to check them out.http://www.jotul.com/en-us/wwwjotulus/
proteus,
thanks for the site, I went there already, I went to a site that reviews stoves, and the 4 top ones seemed to be (in no particular order individual reviews with up to 5 star ratings) jotul, blaze king, buck stove, quadrafire. There were lots of other brands with 5 star ratings also, but these brands seemed to have the most overall 5 star ratings.
I too have Vermont Castings Definant, 14 year and counting. Used it for years as primary heat, now with little kids I turn on the thermostat. It is mostly for emergency use. It has a catalytic, never had an issue, and can be run without it. Our place is 1300 sq.ft very box like two story, heat it like a champ.
If and one needs a heat shield pan for the bottom/back (decreases clearences) I somehow ended up with a spare...... ::)
Ironwood
Ironwood, long time between posts for me. On a side note, I contacted your friends, havent heard back yet. I will probably give them another reminder call. I went to a wood stove review site and the biggest complaint about vermont castings was they couldnt get parts in a timely matter. A couple of companies in this industry got bought out. Not sure if that makes parts a problem or not. I know one of the things they urged for vermont products was to make sure you purchased from a local dealer and parts wouldnt be an issue. We now have over a foot of snow here and a warming trend, if I can get the snow off the roof it would be much easier to get a chimney in. I am to old to fight the roof pitch and the snow. My buddy is coming tonight to look things over then I will make a decision. Thanks for all the input all,,,,,,,,ed
I bought a new Vermont Castings Defiant non catalytic vesion, and just had a terrible time with it, wound up buying a new Drolet at Menards, and it works fine, just not as efficient. My problem according to the tech at VC was that I have a chimney on the outside of the house, and it gets cold from the outside and kills the draw on the stove. They said it is much better to put pipe up through the house on the inside, and it is easier to get metal hot than masonry. Looks like Beenthere's pipe goes straight up. Mine went up about 2 1/2 ' feet and then horizontal to the chimney. They said horizontal is a no no. Only go 45 degrees. Anyway, still have the VC Defiant if somebody wants to buy it from me. Big discount.
I purchased my Drolet Baltic, and previously the Savannah, pipe, etc. from, dynamitebuys.com. Their price includes shipping. They sell several other manufacturer's stoves, as well. Was the best price I could find, overall. The Baltic has a 3.1 cu in firebox and will take 20" firewood. Good place to compare/shop for stoves. I had looked all around, up and down. I've run it for a few years, and I have no complaints, whatsoever. My wife likes it...easy to start a fire in. ;D
tcmpsi,
thanks for the note on that woodstove, that was one of the ones I really liked. I have such a small house, and small area to put one in, so trying to find one that will fill that need too. Local fireplace guy is coming tomorrow so we will take some measurements and see what he thinks. thanks again,,,,,ed
Handy,
What color, model and $. You can PM me.
Thanks Ironwood
Not sure if this is to off subject but I put an ad on our local craiglist to barter my pellet stove for a wood stove, and a guy has a weatherby 7mm mark v with a 3/9 weatherby scope in very good condition to trade for pellet stove. I do not know much about guns. I am waiting for a phone call from a b-in-law to see if he would be interested in purchasing the weapon and I can use that $$ for helping purchase a wood stove. He purchased the gun 10 yrs. ago used, he doesnt know how old it is. He also has a lennox s-260 t-top wood stove to trade. I know enough about the lennox wood stove, but not the other. Sorry moderator if I should not of done this. I tried to find some guidelines but had no luck finding them.
Though I have not seen the rifle, but if itis in very good condition, and it is a Weatherby scope...depending of other particulars, at least a grand.
I have a couple customers who save up just to buy older Wby. MK Vs, and continuiously search for them on the net.
I have a New Englander wood stove rated for 2000 sqft. Not impressed. It draws though a small hole in the front about 1/2 diameter which is low down and constantly gets blocked by ashes. It also has a top draft which keeps the door glass mostly clean but I find that the intake draws in and goes right up and out. I would not buy another one of this make. Calls to customer service were very disappointing. They did not return messages, and the one guy I spoke with had a attitude.
Hi glassman_48, we just installed a Bari from hearthstone http://www.hearthstonestoves.com/wood-stoves/stove-details?product_id=27
Kind of a neat unit that swivels 180 degrees to point it in the direction you would like to see it. The price was good to but the stack cost me the same amount as the stove. Its about 500lb with soapstone, puts out lots of heat and keeps putting it out long after the fires out
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tcsmpsi,
thanks for that info, my local sporting goods dealer said about the same thing, a grand to 1200. The owner said he thought the gun was worth 1800 to 2000. So we are probably to far off to begin with on price. thanks again,,,,,ed
geeg, I could not find a price, nice looking unit. I will try to find a dealer in our area and see if I can find prices. I am getting a price on sat. from a local dealer with a trade in on my pellet stove. So will be purchasing soon. thanks ed
My fireplace dealer friend came over last night and made me a real good deal, offered 2500 in trade in value for the pellet stove and I purchased a lennox s-210 performer wood stove which is one stove up from the smallest stove that lennox makes. If I could ever figure out how to take a picture and get it back on here I would post it. Thanks for all the info again,,,,,,Ed
Quote from: glassman_48 on December 01, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
My fireplace dealer friend came over last night and made me a real good deal, offered 2500 in trade in value for the pellet stove and I purchased a lennox s-210 performer wood stove which is one stove up from the smallest stove that lennox makes. If I could ever figure out how to take a picture and get it back on here I would post it. Thanks for all the info again,,,,,,Ed
Hi Ed, that looks like a good stove, says it heats 1900sq with a burn time of 8 hours. I think mine was around the $3200 mark. $2500 sounds like a pretty good trade in price, it must be fairly new?
Regards
Geeg
Geeg, My dealer is a friend of mine, he kind of owed me some favors so that is what he did. I did not expect near that much on a trade in. He said that same pellet stove now is nearly 3500 bucks. We only used it a dozen times. I want a non electrical heat source is the only reason I am doing this at all. The pellet stove was fine. We are in a huge snow belt area and our power goes out constantly all winter from downed trees etc. He will use that pellet stove as a display model to show customers until he gets it sold. I added some numbers up and think he is going to just break even, not make much. I will probably help him on the install some. I also take some firewood related products, splitter, processor etc. to his annual pig roast every year and help him out there too. This next year I told him that anyone that buys a wood stove from him during the pig roast I will process a trailer load of his wood into their truck/trailer or something like that as a sales tool for him. thanks again,,,,,,Ed
I was just at a non-profit building material store I volunteer at, and before our meeting a "spied" a Garrison #3, unused and about 30+ years old. $150. Too cute, I was gonna build a miniature one from scratch for an "RV" of sorts I am building. I wanted something tiny, this is the smallest plate steel/firebrick stove I have ever seen... and nicely done, it has air intakes at the rear top on each side (can plumb them for outdoor air not to steal my indoor air) which is unusual as most are on the doors. Also had the same original screen. It hs a plate steel flame deflector and 6" port directly out the back, the one in the picture must have a 90 degree fitting making it look like a vertical. If you guys ever see one for sale and need a tiny stove it is really nicely done..
This isnt mine but a pic I found online.....
Ironwood
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Glassman, Sounds like a good trade. I got a fishing pole for my wife and I thought that was a good trade also. On a more serious note---I have a Country 210 in a rental house I own and the renter loves it. The key of course is dry wood. I think you will be happy with that stove.
Hoss
Ironwood, if you ever look for anything different, obsolete etc. my fireplace guy is always getting trade ins that he never uses, old franklin woodstoves as an example. Let me know I will forward to him to keep an eye out. Hoss, thanks for the input on the 210 stove, my fireplace guy has the lennox canyon the biggest stove lennox makes and they will leave that thing for 12 hours and still have enough coals the next day to start again easily. I am going to be 60 yrs. old next summer and one of the things I really hate is our frequent power outages around here, its going to be so nice to just start a fire and not drag out the generator every time. We always keep our candles handy this time of year. The pellet stove was really nice to just take a chill off, but its right next to the t.v. and they arent the quietest things, we always left it on the first setting and it would keep this small home at 73 degrees when its 30 degrees outside. Now if one of those "solar flares" comes by I will be prepared at least a little bit :) thanks again for input,,,,,,Ed
Glassman, We have a Country S310 (Canyon) in our basement. Our power rarely goes out but when it does we fire up that stove and and it heats our entire house. We used to use it as our sole source of heat but now we just use it as a back up. It is nice to know that you have heat come what may.
Hoss
Hoss,
That was the only reason I got the wood stove. The pellet stove was real handy, just push a button and it fires right up. With our small home it was perfect, if my stove guy wouldnt have given me such a good deal, I would of ended buying a used wood stove somewhere and sell the pellet stove outright. This was more of a peace of mind thing. Saturday he is coming down to install, I will try to get my neighbor to take a picture and show me how to get it online on here. We did a video last year of me with a firewood processor that they let me borrow while mine was being built, dont have a clue how they got that on you tube. Its like speaking a different language to me. Thanks again,,,,,Ed