On a Stihl chainsaw how can you tell if it's a pro saw or not? By the model number or what? Mark,,,,
Right now Pro models are 201t, 261, 362, 441, 461, 880? and maybe a 201 rear handle. Steve
Model numbers ending in an odd number. With the new numbering method, it would be the 2nd number.
Used to be models like 029,031, 039, etc. Now it is reversed. MS 250, MS 290, MS390, etc.
Quote from: tyb525 on January 01, 2013, 07:30:04 PM
Model numbers ending in an odd number. With the new numbering method, it would be the 2nd number.
Used to be models like 029,031, 039, etc. Now it is reversed. MS 250, MS 290, MS390, etc.
I must be missing something. The middle numbers on the ones Steve listed is even numbers say_what
Quote from: ladylake on January 01, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Right now Pro models are 201t, 261, 362, 441, 461, 880? and maybe a 201 rear handle. Steve
These and the 440 and 660 right now.
I would suggest to talk to a dealer. but just to add, I always thought it was the even numbers were professional grade, the odd numbers were consumer grade.
I also feel the pro's are last even number. Plus I think most pro saws have white handles.
I've used Stihl for more than 32 years, and know their saws to be superior to others. Nevertheless, Stihl is doing NOTHING with their material requirement specifications to suppliers to remedy the adverse affects of ethanol upon Stihl products. And, too, Stihl is not just "apparently", but effectively doing little to help us EASILY determine which product, part, or maintenance operation should be used to circumvent, or get around, their conceited attitude towards users' ignorance relating to product selection, use, or maintenance of product.
I just continue to look at Dolmar, and others, as options. Why does Stihl take the attitude, toward it's consumers, that it does?
I've used Stihl for more than 32 years
:) If you use their oil it contains a fuel stabilizer and for my saws it has proven to be good for 10 months in a good gas container so far now tomorrow I spose I will need to buy new fuel LOL :new_year:
Quote from: JohnG28 on January 01, 2013, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: ladylake on January 01, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Right now Pro models are 201t, 261, 362, 441, 461, 880? and maybe a 201 rear handle. Steve
These and the 440 and 660 right now.
I forgot the 660, the 440 is replace by the 461. Also the 460 just got replaced by the 461 , might be some of each at dealers. Steve
Quote from: Jasperfield on January 02, 2013, 01:16:17 AM
I've used Stihl for more than 32 years, and know their saws to be superior to others. Nevertheless, Stihl is doing NOTHING with their material requirement specifications to suppliers to remedy the adverse affects of ethanol upon Stihl products. And, too, Stihl is not just "apparently", but effectively doing little to help us EASILY determine which product, part, or maintenance operation should be used to circumvent, or get around, their conceited attitude towards users' ignorance relating to product selection, use, or maintenance of product.
I just continue to look at Dolmar, and others, as options. Why does Stihl take the attitude, toward it's consumers, that it does?
Pro Stihl saws are still good, quality has been going down on the lower models. Steve
The 441 replaced the 440....not the 461.
You cant go by the numbers whether theyre 1st, 2nd or 3rd. There will always be one saw to throw you off. I know its not a new production saw......but the 041.....considered "PRO"....but yet not an even number.
You just have to know and knowing is half the battle.
If inquiring minds really want to know, check out STIHL's website.
A more accurate method is the color of the rear handle, however.....not long ago I owned and MS270 (number designation depicts a homeowner grade saw).........BUT it had a white rear handle which is considered as a PRO saw. It definetly was not a pro saw. It wasnt homeowner grade, but rather occassional use - the in-between slot they give their saws that are better build clamshells....LOL
So once again.....you really just have to be able to tell the difference between an apple and an orange.
If not.........http://www.stihldealer.net/categoryinfo-dealer-_nyecaa-toplvl-2-catid-2.aspx
Jeremy
The 461 replaced the 460 just lately. Steve
Quote from: ladylake on January 02, 2013, 10:55:56 AM
The 461 replaced the 460 just lately. Steve
Read your post.....#9
The 440 was still in the catalog as it was re released last year in limited production. The 441 replaced it some years ago, but for 2012 both were available. The 461 I know just came out more or less, haven't yet seen one in person. Sure there's 460s sitting on some shelves still too. Like was said, easiest place to see all for sure is Stihl's website. All mentioned saws are shown there currently, so I imagine all are available. As for the white handles, more models are showing up with them in the mid range as well, such as 311, 391.
http://m.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/
Sorry I meant the odd numbers are not considered pro saws.
Yes there is always that one saw, but especially in the smaller saws, homeowner saws are odd numbered.
Quote from: tyb525 on January 02, 2013, 08:27:01 PM
Sorry I meant the odd numbers are not considered pro saws.
Yes there is always that one saw, but especially in the smaller saws, homeowner saws are odd numbered.
??? Can you explain this because I am lost with above post.
024 026 034 036 044 046 066 084 088 were all pro in my eyes
then 241 260 261 360 361 362 440 441 460 461 660 661 880
The 362 is the smallest of the Pro models. And Yes, there is a pretty big difference between the 361 and the 362...362 will flat out cut a 361. JMHO
Pro saws seem to have white rear handles, home owner black or orange.
EDIT: Oh man, looks like the new HO saws have white handles too. :-[
Quote from: Jasperfield on January 02, 2013, 01:16:17 AM
I've used Stihl for more than 32 years, and know their saws to be superior to others. Nevertheless, Stihl is doing NOTHING with their material requirement specifications to suppliers to remedy the adverse affects of ethanol upon Stihl products. And, too, Stihl is not just "apparently", but effectively doing little to help us EASILY determine which product, part, or maintenance operation should be used to circumvent, or get around, their conceited attitude towards users' ignorance relating to product selection, use, or maintenance of product.
I just continue to look at Dolmar, and others, as options. Why does Stihl take the attitude, toward it's consumers, that it does?
Dang...so you own a Husky? ;D
Quote from: CCC4 on January 02, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
The 362 is the smallest of the Pro models.
Better let stihl in on that secret :D. http://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/professional-saws/
Quote from: Cut4fun on January 02, 2013, 09:10:23 PM
Quote from: CCC4 on January 02, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
The 362 is the smallest of the Pro models.
Better let stihl in on that secret :D. http://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/professional-saws/
Ha! I stand corrected! That was the sales pitch thrown at my boss about a month ago. I guess those others are baby pros. ;D
The 362 is probably the smallest saw you would want for actual logging work, but for pre-commercial thinning the light weight of the 261 is good, and the 201 is more for pruning / arborist sort of work. Lighter cutting, but full time professional use.
So they are "pro saws", just you don't go out cutting forest giants with them :D
Ian
With Stihl's new numbering system, the middle number would be even :) the 1's and 2's on the end are basically newer versions of that model.
One of the differences between "pro" and non pro, is the ability to open up the saws and work on them.
At present, other than the 'odd/even 2nd number' method (MS180, MS650, excluded) the easy way to differentiate between a Stihl pro and non-pro saw is to check out the type of crankcase it has.
A pro saw (Stihl) has a Mag-Al vertically split crankcase which also is a part of the engine housing.
A Stihl non-pro saw has a horizontally split shortblock engine which is fitted in a polymer engine housing.
Joe
Joe, that's what I wanted to say but didn't know how to say it :)
Quote from: tyb525 on January 02, 2013, 10:31:06 PM
With Stihl's new numbering system, the middle number would be even :) the 1's and 2's on the end are basically newer versions of that model.
One of the differences between "pro" and non pro, is the ability to open up the saws and work on them.
That's the way I understand it as well! ;)
dozens of fulltime loggers cut multiple loads of logs every week in this area with the (from what i'm reading) way too small stihl 261
in this area it is the preferred saw for felling limbing and bucking by about 75% of the full timers
most of the wood in our area is small (30 inches or less at the butt
an instructor showed us last summer how to cut down the big stuff with a 14 inch bar on a 261
after watching him work for an hour, i cant see why anyone would carry anything bigger in eastern north america
Same as the 308 rifle compared to the large magnumm rifles for deer don't waste energy carrying a bigger hammer than you really need
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Quotedozens of fulltime loggers cut multiple loads of logs every week in this area
Where is "this area" ?
While I really like my 261 with a 16" bar, when I'm into 16" plus trees I can make much better time with my 044.
Seriously guys, you mean you haven't heard that all full time loggers/timber fallers are dropping their 24, 28, 32, 42, 60, in bars in favor of 14 inchers? Why, "around here" everyones doin it.
Quote from: CCC4 on January 02, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
The 362 is the smallest of the Pro models.
I see more education is needed here. :D
:)
sorry guts forgot i didn't have my location in my profile "here" is nova scotia, canada
Smaller trees, yes I can see the reasoning in running a smaller saw. While you can take down a 30" tree with 14" bar, if you need to do it all day every day, you will soon start to think about carrying that bigger saw.
But here saws like MS660s are the more common size for logging. Heck I've had to walk away from trees that were just too big to take down with a 28" bar, even WITH the trick cutting methods. Buddy eventually got is down using a 3120 husky with a 60" bar, and even then he had to cut from both side to get through. :o
The 261 type saws ARE pro grade, but here they would be used for thinning ~12" pines. If you are spending all day clambering over the side of a small mountain just dropping small trees, then the argument for the smaller saw makes a lot of sense :D
But if I'm cutting 30" plus trees, which is more normal, give me my 28" bar any day. ;)
Ian
I use a 20" saw for felling and bucking then a 16" saw for fire wood de,branching stuff not that the 20" won't do it all it has something to do with my back :D hoping age and a way of life didn't have anything to do with that :o
I much prefer the 20" bar, not just for felling but for bucking up firewood. For me, much less bending over which my back can object to over time. The tip of the 20" bar easily reaches the ground and does a lot of the cutting when laying down the tree tops.
And regards a filing comment being difficult when the motor is on the right, a 20" bar leaves plenty of room for filing both angles inside out.
Quote from: ladylake on January 01, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Right now Pro models are 201t, 261, 362, 441, 461, 880? and maybe a 201 rear handle. Steve
Also the 440, 460, 660 are still being made.
;)
Quote from: mhusby on January 04, 2013, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: ladylake on January 01, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Right now Pro models are 201t, 261, 362, 441, 461, 880? and maybe a 201 rear handle. Steve
Also the 440, 460, 660 are still being made.
;)
Untrue.....but some are stihl on the shelfs at your local dealerships.
Quote from: mhusby on January 04, 2013, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: ladylake on January 01, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Right now Pro models are 201t, 261, 362, 441, 461, 880? and maybe a 201 rear handle. Steve
Also the 440, 460, 660 are still being made.
;)
Quote from: AdkStihl on January 04, 2013, 04:27:30 PM
Quote from: mhusby on January 04, 2013, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: ladylake on January 01, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Right now Pro models are 201t, 261, 362, 441, 461, 880? and maybe a 201 rear handle. Steve
Also the 440, 460, 660 are still being made.
;)
Untrue.....but some are stihl on the shelfs at your local dealerships.
The second quote appear's to be Stihl so might I ask is the 361 the predecessor of the 362 The 361 I have is most defiantly top of the line equipment IMHO 8)
Yes the Pro 60 cc Stihl saws in order 036 ms360, ms361 and the latest ms362. All fine saws. Steve
The 362 is a little bit heavier than the 361, I can't really put my finger on what they could have done to gain weight, but when held one in each hand it is more than obvious. The 362 seems like it cuts more balanced with the added flab maybe. I love the 362, and even though I have used 361 for a couple years, and 036's before that...I believe the 362 is there best yet ib that category. Personal fav is the the "44 family".
Quote from: HolmenTree on January 03, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: CCC4 on January 02, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
The 362 is the smallest of the Pro models.
I see more education is needed here. :D
I believe I admitted my error and stated the cause as to why I made that assumption. Thank you for further pointing out my ignorance to saw sizes that I use everyday 10 hours a day. Maybe I should have just "googled" it instead of going by what the sales person who took my bosses money stated. It's really not a ground shaking mistake. If it makes you feel better smiley_clapping
Guys,I'am a little late to this fray but can't you tell the pro from the homeowner saw by price.?? Frank C.
What,does Stihl usa have to say about all this?????
http://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/professional-saws/
Bert,I guess that pretty much settles it if you go to the comparison chart on there website.Anyone know how that corrolates to price,is there a large differance in cost pro vs.homeowner.I try to stay away from saw dealers[pushers], recovering you know. Frank C.
Frank,
Reason,i posted that link-i just got saw from dealer,he said it pro saw and he is wrong,just wanted a fast sale-the mod.# is MS192c.....Good saw,like it,use only to limb out Hemlock-we can not believe what dealers are saying...
albert
My uncle was a forester for a state park in southern Ohio before he was diagnosed with epilepsy. They would select harvest, forest management kinda stuff. I was talking saws with him one day & he poked fun at my desire to have big strong saws. He showed me how he was trained by the state to fell & buck large trees with small saws. He said he'd carry an 18" saw max because they were in rugged Appalachian terrain & big saws were hard to lug up & down steep ravines & slopes. The back cut was somewhat small and the front cut was easiest described as cutting the tree's throat. He said he could easily & quickly bring down large hardwoods. Granted the work they were doing was not the day in, day out logging. But the post above about small saws is not the first time I have heard of the technique.
Quote from: york on January 30, 2013, 08:05:06 AM
Frank,
Reason,i posted that link-i just got saw from dealer,he said it pro saw and he is wrong,just wanted a fast sale-the mod.# is MS192c.....Good saw,like it,use only to limb out Hemlock-we can not believe what dealers are saying...
albert
The 192 is considered a professional, in-tree saw for climbers. It is not the same saw a 200t or 201t is, little less powerful, but still for tree service pros and arborists, so the dealer did lie to you.
Sorry, I meant he did NOT lie to you. Look at the link for that saw.
http://m.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/in-tree-saws/ms192tce/
Stihl might call the 192T a pro saw but it's got the same gutless engine as thier lowest quaty saw a MS170. Having had a couple apart, not much quality inside. Steve
Might be wrong but I go by the the RPM's. 9,600 and you have a pro saw. 9,000 or so and you have a homeowners saw. I know there are guys out there that will tell you their saws scream at 15,000. If that is the case they don't scream for long. lol
Right if the saw screams the owner will be screaming soon. Steve
Hey John,the link you provided is for a MS192tc-e which is a top handle saw,yes that is pro but my Ms192c,which is a rear handle saw is not,listed as a pro saw..
albert
I see, my appologies. I was thinking of the top handle version. I didn't catch that this had a rear handle version as well. I stand corrected.
:) did you all see the MS880 on the list 8) I like that one :snowball: