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Title: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: plaindriver on June 22, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
Im starting to look at cant hooks. I think I want one with at least a 48" handle, for leverage, as I aint near as strong as I once was, and the back aint all that sturdy.
Are the 'jaws' or opening on all cant hooks the same size? Reason I ask, I saw one advertised that can handle "up to 12" logs", and most of the logs I have to mill are in the 20" range. Thanks.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on June 22, 2013, 10:42:10 AM
Hook should get bigger as handle gets longer. Ask or go by log size recommendation .
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: beenthere on June 22, 2013, 11:16:12 AM
Head for Logrite in the left column for the best cant hook deal. Several sizes to pick from and the 48" is a good size. Don't think you need to worry much about the log size they will handle.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: tyb525 on June 22, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
My 48" LogRite has rolled logs up to 24", I haven't tried bigger yet, I would like a longer handle for logs bigger than that.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
I'd not go anywhere but Logrite. anything else is inferior. If you call them, they will recommend the right tool for what you have going. Tammy loves to talk to Forestry Forum members.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Woodkiller on June 22, 2013, 02:29:17 PM
+1 for Logrite. I have 2 and they are the goto at all times. 
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on June 22, 2013, 03:06:27 PM
I've used both the LogRite 48" and 60" and prefer the 60".
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Magicman on June 22, 2013, 05:28:29 PM
The below information was copied from Logrite's site.

The 48" cant hook is long enough to get the job done without the big arc of the longer handle. Combines good leverage with ease of use. 1.75" diameter  48" handle will grip an 8" - 32" diameter log.

The 60" cant hook offers an extra foot of leverage and a bigger hook for moving big logs easily. Will grip 10" - 36" diameter log.

The Megahook offers maximum leverage at 78" long.  It also features a larger hook. It is only available as a cant hook.
The 78" handle, will grip 15" - 45" diameter log
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: SPD748 on June 22, 2013, 05:39:54 PM
I have Logrite cant hooks in 30" and 60" flavors as well as a 48" peavy. I agree with others on the fine craftsmanship of Logrite products. My 60 has rolled 24" logs with ease.

-lee
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: WDH on June 22, 2013, 08:19:23 PM
The 60" is more versatile and will be easier to use as you get more of a lever if you move a lot of logs.  You cannot beat the Logrite cant hooks.  They are superior to any other and well worth the investment. 
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: thecfarm on June 22, 2013, 09:51:02 PM
If I was to have just one,it would be a 60 incher. I also perfer a peavey,the one with the point to pry the logs apart. And to stick the point into the ground so it will stand up.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: WDH on June 23, 2013, 06:44:59 AM
If you are cutting high quality, furniture grade hardwood on a manual mill, the point on the peavey can make more of a hole in the side of the cant whereas the cant hook is less likely to do so, and do less damage to the face of the board/cant.  The best one to use can depend on the kind of mill that you have and what you are cutting on it.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: bandmiller2 on June 23, 2013, 07:23:03 AM
A lot depends on how a mill is set up.If yours is a manual mill you need leverage to load and turn.A hydraulic mill you just need to roll the logs on the loader arms.On most circular mills if their set up proper a short cant hook is the handiest like 2' likewise a hydraulic mill with a level deck.Before I ramble on, get two, short and long you won't be sorry. Frank C.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: slider on June 23, 2013, 07:43:51 AM
I have a 60 as well and they are telling the truth ,logrite is a big step above the others.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Nomad on June 23, 2013, 07:05:32 PM
     A 60" Logrite for me to move logs.  A 48" for the young, strong guy helping me who doesn't understand leverage. ;D  (Makes me look good.)  And a couple of mill specials for the odd stuff on the mill.  But Logrite all the way!
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: ValleyGuy on June 24, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
Right after picking up my mill I took the advice of the Forum and ordered a Logrite cant hook. I does work well but a friend helping out bent it the first day of use. Are they not supposed to be a bit tougher than that? (the friend wasn't all that strong.......) :-\
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Larry on June 24, 2013, 06:07:51 PM
You must of been using a imitation because there is no way a Logrite can be bent in normal use.

I have a 48" and 60" modified Dixies.  Also have the Logrite Mega hook.  The big Logrite gets used the most because it will do everything the 60" does easier and faster.  The 48" just sees a little use.  I might order a Logrite Mill Special as it looks handy.

I do prefer my big green fork lift over all of those manual gadgets. :D :D
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Shotgun on June 24, 2013, 06:27:29 PM
Quote from: ValleyGuy on June 24, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
Right after picking up my mill I took the advice of the Forum and ordered a Logrite cant hook. I does work well but a friend helping out bent it the first day of use. Are they not supposed to be a bit tougher than that? (the friend wasn't all that strong.......) :-\


Would you mind telling us where you ordered it from?
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Jeff on June 24, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
It wasn't a logrite then, and if it was, they would want it. As asked, where did you get it?
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: customsawyer on June 24, 2013, 07:08:53 PM
X2
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on June 24, 2013, 07:16:10 PM
Valley Guy could have been fooled like I was. For 20 years I had helped a guy mill using wooden handle hooks.
After buying my own mill, I was turned on to the best cant hook on the market......LOGRITE.

But what clicked in my memory was the Blue color.

When I saw the Logrite on the F.F. I said to myself, I know a place in town that sells these and I won't have to order one. When I went to this place, I began inspection of their hook......it was NOT a Logrite but was made of cheap metal but was painted to resemble the Logrite.

I didn't buy it but was almost fooled. I came back and ordered my via the Forum.

A lot of newbies get fooled this way. I was....almost!  :)





Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Magicman on June 24, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
It is very understandable how a person could be tricked.  Knockoffs also pattern their labels to resemble Logrites.   :-\
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: clww on June 24, 2013, 07:28:46 PM
I got my FF special orange Logrite cant hook last year. One log was especially tough to roll, so I hooked a chain around the handle, then back to the hitch on my Dodge. Log rolled and zero impact to the cant hook. I'll never buy another brand. 8)
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: tyb525 on June 24, 2013, 09:51:14 PM
Yeah, I've put all my weight (and then some...) on my logrite handle, driven over it with a truck, use it as a pry bar on the mill to lift the ends of really heavy logs to place shims....and more... and it isn't crooked at all. The other nice thing is it is all aluminum (I believe the hook is?) so you can leave it outside if you want and it won't rust or compromise the integrity.

One more thing...that hook BITES into the logs like a gator!
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: thecfarm on June 24, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
I like the gator comment.   ;D   Gators are like grits in Maine,not much of them are here.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Tam-i-am on June 25, 2013, 10:59:50 AM
tyb525 - the handle is made of aluminum, the hooks are steel that has been heat treated and then zinc plated so you don't have to worry about rusting.

ValleyGuy - if your friend did purchase a logrite and it bent please have him call me


Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Wallys World on June 25, 2013, 02:24:37 PM
I have a Logrite 60" peavy and a hookeroon. I don't know how to work without them.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: OlJarhead on June 25, 2013, 06:47:33 PM
http://youtu.be/TudSOd6e2NY
Here I am using my short LogRight on a log that was 23" at the big end.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Magicman on June 25, 2013, 06:55:18 PM
The video is "unavailable" to me.   :-\
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: OlJarhead on June 25, 2013, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Magicman on June 25, 2013, 06:55:18 PM
The video is "unavailable" to me.   :-\

Try again, I think it was still processing.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Magicman on June 25, 2013, 07:03:22 PM
OK, maybe I was too quick on the draw.  I'm practicing my "open carry".   ;D
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: mad murdock on June 25, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Magicman on June 25, 2013, 07:03:22 PM
OK, maybe I was too quick on the draw.  I'm practicing my "open carry".   ;D
You need to update your Avatar pic then MM, we need to see that hogleg! ;)
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Magicman on June 25, 2013, 07:49:45 PM
 :o  Your eyes might not could take it.   ;D
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: 5quarter on June 26, 2013, 12:44:09 AM
I did the same thing CLWW did, except I had an inverse result: the log remained where it was and my lovely logrite was wrenched into a pretzel. I had a homemade cant hook with a large eye bolt attached to the handle just for that purpose, but for some reason, did not have it that day. My wife felt bad about my loss and bought me another for a fathers day gift. I take much better care of it now and it takes good care of me. I've since bought a couple more, and I can say with confidence that when used properly, you can flex them but you cannot damage them. very good tools.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Brucer on June 26, 2013, 01:32:49 AM
I bought my first one -- a 30" mill special -- back in 2005. I bent the handle a few months later (by rolling a 2000 lb+ log over it :(). Logrite supplied me with a new handle and it is still my work horse cant hook around the mill. Now it's got more of a blue & silver look but it'll probably outlast me.

I use the longer handled cant hook in the log yard. It doesn't get nearly as much use but it's a back saver when I do need it.

If you can afford it, I'd recommend getting the 2 sizes -- 30" & 60".
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Magicman on June 26, 2013, 07:35:35 AM
Hopefully ValleyGuy will give us an update. 
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: ValleyGuy on June 26, 2013, 09:29:30 AM
Sorry to be off for a bit, bad time of the year.

I hope I wasn't fooled on the Logrite as I ordered it from Amazon and they were supplied by Bailey I think. I'll check my bill. I ordered it from the US and picked it up at the border. Didn't complain about it as it's such a hassle to return things over the border.

Logrite has contacted me and asked for pics which I sent. I hadn't thought that they might be interested but now that I see just how highly they are thought of here I can understand their concern.

Seems that there are a lot of Logrite fans here, didn't intend to disparage the product as I still like it the product, just using it on smaller logs.

M
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: GDinMaine on June 26, 2013, 11:37:49 AM
I have a couple of Dixie cant hooks that are about 20-years-old.  They are not fancy and not even pretty anymore, but they roll logs very well. One is 48" the other is 36" long.  The shorter one sees a lot more use.  Rarely but I ran into large (36"+ diameter) logs that has a fair bit of sweep or large knots.  That is when I would like a 60" or so handle.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: mkjones32 on June 26, 2013, 12:16:39 PM
60" Peavey and 48" Cant Hook.  No luck bending my 60" Peavey so far.  ;D 

Kevin
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: beenthere on June 26, 2013, 02:34:01 PM
Don't try a Logrite, 'cause you won't go back to the Dixie's afterwards.   Just sayin..
;)
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Jim_Wahl on June 26, 2013, 03:14:11 PM
I have an assortment of cant hooks and peaveys. I also have a 60" Logrite cant hook and peavey
and a 78" Big Arkansas Super Stick Logrite. I don't think I have even touched the others since
I started using the Logrites at least 10 years ago. You can have the Logrites, though, when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: GDinMaine on June 26, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: beenthere on June 26, 2013, 02:34:01 PM
Don't try a Logrite, 'cause you won't go back to the Dixie's afterwards.   Just sayin..
;)

It 'ait broke so I don't fix it. 

I could drop $350+ for a couple of Logrites or just keep using the ones I have, that are perfectly functional.   Let me get back with you on that.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Jeff on June 26, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
Quote from: GDinMaine on June 26, 2013, 03:34:12 PM

I could drop $350+ for a couple of Logrites or just keep using the ones I have, that are perfectly functional.   Let me get back with you on that.

Where the heck are you getting your prices from?  That is American dollars correct? And a couple does still mean two?
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: ValleyGuy on June 26, 2013, 07:34:45 PM
Hi All (again),

I have to say that I'm more impressed than ever with the forum. An innocent comment and I'm getting emails and phone calls. Seriously, thanks to all, looks like Tammy at Logrite would like to replace the handle.

I think the problem started because I had it shipped to a US address. Not knowing I'm north of the border they didn't send me one of the beefier models intended for your brawnier northern cousins.  ;) After eating I sometimes hit 160 lbs, maybe I should have told them that when I ordered it.

Seriously impressed by a great company.

M
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: GDinMaine on June 26, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=XCH%20060&utm_source=nextag&utm_medium=cse

http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=CH+042&catID=

add shipping and it's pretty close. 



Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Jeff on June 26, 2013, 08:01:20 PM
Most people get along just fine with a standard duty canthook.
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: 5quarter on June 27, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
Valley guy...I thought the Canadian logrite also doubled as a hockey stick... ;) :D
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Tam-i-am on June 28, 2013, 10:47:59 AM
Marc

went to the post office today and your handle is on the way.

As for using the tool, did you see the last video about the imitations, Kevin is bigger than 160(don't tell him I said that) and is hanging on that handle.  he is using a standard series tool.

http://youtu.be/cMw-nx-bcrM

Tammy
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: ValleyGuy on June 28, 2013, 02:23:49 PM
Thanks Tammy,

I'll give this new handle a workout soon as a friend just dropped off a pile of pine logs.

That you would go to the trouble to find me speaks volumes about your company.

Thanks for the hockey suggestion 5quarter, but is it also warranteed for hockey?

Marc
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: thecfarm on June 28, 2013, 02:34:53 PM
Another satisifed customer.  logrite_cool
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: Migal on June 28, 2013, 03:33:36 PM
 :) Dang by the time I got to see this post the answer swarmed the post  8) I use a LogRite as well!  :D
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: tyb525 on June 28, 2013, 05:27:11 PM
A Logrite is one of those tools where you won't know how you got by without it once you have it ;). The fan base here is definitely because they are such great tools. Not indestructible maybe, but pretty darn close ;).
Title: Re: Another Newbie Question Re Cant Hooks
Post by: 5quarter on June 28, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
Valley guy...The way you Canucks can lay down a slapshot? probably not.  ;)