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General Forestry => Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. => Topic started by: Tom on May 09, 2004, 04:37:45 PM

Title: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Tom on May 09, 2004, 04:37:45 PM
They are fuzzy white balls that look like a caterpillar all folded up but are hard.  They have hairs on them too and some are reddish tinted with little protuberances.  Ya got me. :)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/tom-white-ball-on-chestnut-oak1.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10026/tom-white-ball-on-chestnut-.jpg)

They 3/4 to fully encircle most of the terminal stems on this little tree that are 1/16 to 1/8 in diameter.
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Furby on May 09, 2004, 05:17:58 PM
I've seen something kind of like that on the oaks up at the lake. No clue as to what it is though.  ::)
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Tom on May 09, 2004, 06:41:17 PM
Oak Apple Gall, now that's a possibility.
http://www.jmu.edu/biology/k12/galls/oakapp.htm
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Tom on May 09, 2004, 06:56:10 PM
Hmmmm-m-m-m   Nope.  An apple all is a slick skinned growth caused by an insect stinging a leaf bud.  This almost looks like a separate organism.
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Tom on May 09, 2004, 07:19:14 PM
Ok!  ....alrghty then :D

I know what it is.  It is an Oak Hedgehog Gall produced by the sting of a Sawfly. ;D

 Link to a picture (http://www.delhi.edu/page/plantsci/plantsciencedelhi/plprot/labs/hymenoptera/Quercus_hedgehog.jpg)

This link is a long url (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.delhi.edu/page/plantsci/plantsciencedelhi/plprot/labs/hymenoptera/Quercus_hedgehog.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.delhi.edu/page/plantsci/plantsciencedelhi/plprot/labs/hymenoptera/hymenoptera.htm&h=550&w=534&sz=321&tbnid=dYDRwu_Tm0kJ:&tbnh=129&tbnw=126&start=6&prev=/images%3Fq%3Doak%2Bhedgehog%2Bgall%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN)

The alternate generation of the Hedgehog gall appears on the leaf buds in early spring, and for many years was believed to be a separate species. Spiny Hedgehog galls can be colonial, and they remind one of a curled up wooly-bear caterpillar. They are eaten by Red Squirrels and by White-footed Mice.
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Jeff on May 10, 2004, 07:47:36 PM
nifty. I like finding that weird stuff.
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 13, 2004, 01:04:44 PM
Yup a gall.

I see galls on white spruce where an insect attacks a cone bud or on basswood leaves, on the under side of the leaf.
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Kedwards on May 16, 2004, 05:38:57 PM
As arnold s. would say.. " Its a Twee Tooomah "  :D
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: DanG on May 17, 2004, 09:56:50 PM
 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 31, 2004, 05:12:03 AM
Tom: et al.

Here are some galls on my red oak rubra, seem to be in the pollen buds, also seen some in the emerging leaves.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/gull1.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/gull2.jpg)

cheers
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Andy Henriksen on June 17, 2004, 12:45:36 PM
hi,

The original gall pictured is a Wool Sower Gall, caused by a wasp.  I read up a bit on these gall wasps, and found out that many have a pretty bizzare characteristic - they can be heterogamic, which means that one generation produces galls completely different from their parents, but similar to their grandparents.  they alternate every other generation.  apparently, the insects themselves look quite different, yet are of the same species.  Because of this, biologists are quite uncertain how many different gall wasps actually exist.  

Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Jeff on June 17, 2004, 01:04:44 PM
Welcome to the Forum andyhix  :)
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: Tom on June 17, 2004, 01:36:01 PM
Welcome Andy.  I found those articles interesting too.  Wouldn't it be funny if we were like that? :D
Title: Re: I don't know what's on my Chestnut white oak.
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 17, 2004, 02:35:52 PM
What about aphids that pre determine the sex of their offspring, wheather they are winged or not, or weather they are sterile or fertile. All dependant on available food sources.  :P