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Since we have ventured far from the OP, LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,69009.0.html) I am starting a new thread to detail our Goodwill effort to help fellow Forestry Forum member "dablack" that has suffered a tremendous personal loss and setback concerning building a home for his family.

I have personally talked with Jeff concerning this effort.

Remember guys, this is not about me.  It will take a commitment from so many of you to make this happen.  Several have made pledges here and even more have sent PM's making pledges.  Pledges on the open forum are encouraged and welcome, but do not post the amount.  Send me a PM and I will keep and post a running total.  That way we can respect everyone's privacy as well as generating interest in this project.  This project will not wait for or until we have enough pledges to fund the expenses.  I know in my heart that the need will be met.

Member dablack and I have exchanged PM's concerning scheduling, but all future correspondence about this project will be here on this new thread:

QuoteLynn,

I can make whenever work.  Nov, Dec, Jan.  Anytime.

Do we have to stack the lumber on the slab or can we stack it on the gravel driveway.  I'm assuming we just need somewhere flat.  I think the 2x6s will be short enough that the driveway will be fine but I think the 2x10s will need to go on the slab due to their length.  I just got done drawing out the rafters (2x10s) and they will need to be 18'.  Is that doable with your rig?  The 2x6s will be 10'.  The 1x material can be misc length.  There will also be a couple of beams for the carport.

I'm hoping to have the cut list to you by tomorrow along with the tree measurements.  Is there anything else you need that will help you tell me how many trees to fell?   

Let me know when you have the new thread going and I will chime in.

thanks
Austin

The above quote is Austin's PM and will serve as a springboard for fielding questions.  My immediate thoughts are to shoot for a December sawing date.  That way Austin will have time to clear the slab of debris as well as selecting trees and making logs.  After he determines his tree diameters, several of you can chime in with log estimates.

On the question about stickering the lumber on the slab, my thoughts would be that only the 18' 2X10 could be stickered there because moving lumber as you build is a killer.  (I know)

Now that we have made a commitment and have the ball rolling, I am sure that we will be hearing from many members with ideas, suggestions, and their commitments. 

Count me in for some money. As I said it won't much,but it's the best I can do. I might need a helping hand someday. I hope not. And Magicman you are a very good friend to have.

Count me in to make the trip assuming no unforeseen problems. It is about an eight hour drive for me. If nothing happens, I will be there for a week if needed. I will bring my WM two blade edger which will help to speedup the sawing. We can setup a production line and make a lot of sawdust. The response that I received from Forum members when I lost my mill and shop to fire drives me not to hesitate to grab the chance to go and help another member as people did me. I can somewhat understand how "dablack" must feel at this time.

Willie

At over 1000 miles I can't realistically make it to help, but a PM was sent.  Thanks so much for providing leadership on this,

Lynn, I believe this is an amazing offer of love and friendship.  I believe the project could not be in better hands,
and look forward to seeing progress for the family.    david

Count me in with a donation.
And I will match my amount to go to the Forestry Forum.

Our pledges are at $140 and we have just begun.   :)

Count me in for some greenbacks. Wish I could be there to help in person but it's a bit far to go when my wife wouldn't be able to go with me...

Herb

Lynn (Magicman)

Will be glad to help.  Hopefully my son Tyler & I can come depending on the date.

wwsjr,you and Magicman will have that job done in no time. That is some nice of you to make a drive like that to help out.

We are now at $210 $260 toward covering the expenses of the project.   :)

That enough to get you there and back, with 4-5 days in a pup tent ??    ;D

No, not yet, but I have absolute full confidence that our expense needs will be met.

Good work. MM!! Check is in the mail......Can't come because of my loving wife's upcoming surgery.  Our prayers are with you.  Forum is such a neat deal...

Are you, or have you set up a fundraiser site for secure deposits?

I will donate $.
Please provide information how I may do it.

Good work MM

I will make a donation...

Check is in the mail.

I was given a hand up by members of this forum when life kicked me in the gut pretty hard. As one member that helped me a great deal said about paying him back. "Pay if forward".

There is no such thing as a small donation when it comes from the heart, and this entire project is a gift from the heart. 

We are on the way toward meeting our expense needs.  Our total is now $650 and I am confidant the we will have 3-4 times that amount before we begin.

Austin,

Do you need some help getting trees cut and slab prepped for MM?  My son Tyler and I would be willing to come out to help.  Please let us know if we can help in any way.

Daniel

From 260 to 650 in one day!!! That is great. The check is in the mail.  :D

I really don't know what to say at this point.  The kindness and support shown by all of you is a blessing to my family.  The last three years have been very exciting for us.  We were living in houston and trying to adopt.  We already had two little girls but wanted more kids in the house.  Right after we completed our adoption, I lost my job.  Cuts in govt contracts meant I wasn't needed anymore.  After three months we moved to Lufkin and started my new job.  Not long after that we found land that we loved and I started looking into how to build a house.  I had never built anything before so I had a lot to learn.  I spent a year building the house.  Obviously we were all very excited to be moving onto our property into a house that we built.  When the sheriffs dept called on 7/11, our hearts were broken.  Through it all we had faith that everything would be fine and that we would be provided for.  I have a good job but with no insurance and maxed out credit there was no way that we were going to be able to rebuild anytime soon.  With the debt, land note, and rent where we were staying, we were well in the red at the end of the month.  I had always been very much against debt but I used it and cash to build the house, knowing I would be able to wrap the land and house into one mortgage and be in a very good place.  Now we have all the debt and no house.  To get out of the rent, into the black, and onto the property, we bought a trailer home.  The note on it was half what rent was and my parents (in their 70s) have decided they would like to buy it from us once we rebuild.  Moving to the property brought excitment.  We are glad to be here but going to the top of the hill where the house was, is always hard.  Now that Lynn (Magicman) has stepped in, building our house and getting out of this hole I have dug is in reach.  Now everyone knows the full back ground.  It is never dull at our house! 

thanks
Austin

Ok, lets talk cut list and trees. 

Here is the cut list.  I haven't figured out the interior walls so I  can't say how many 2x4s I will need but I think I have the rest pretty figured out. 

Misc beams for carport and porch
5.5" x 11.5" x 13'  QTY 6

2x6 studs 10'   qty 150

1x  material (roof decking, exterior wall sheathing, 2nd floor subfloor)   5700 sqft

2x10 roof rafters 18' long  Qty 110

collar ties 2x8 9'  qty 55

That is what I have right now.  Again, I'm going to need 2x4s for the interior walls but I don't think it will be much more than maybe 60 2x4s 8' long. 

Tree info coming in next post. 

thanks
Austin

I would like to physically help in this process somehow.  I don't think I'd be able to handle offbearing as much wood as we are talking about sawing and still be able to walk the next morning, however, I would like to be able to help with home construction one weekend, maybe a long one.  I also was just advised that I'll be having the entire week of Thanksgiving off as a cost-cutting measure.

I don't know when construction is scheduled to start, but I would really like to be able to help out somehow...

Went out last night and took some measurements from 8 trees.  They are all pretty much the same size.  At chest height, I'm coming up with a circumference of 48".  That is a diameter of 15.25".  Most are pretty straight and clear. 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22776/039.JPG)

In the above picture, I am 6' tall.....well, maybe 5' 11".  HA!  Anyway, it gives you some scale for the trees.  As you can also see, it has been really dry so I haven't brushhogged in a while.  The sweatgums are already coming up!  I hate those things.

Also, I have four dead trees that the fire got.  The trees themselves weren't on fire but the fire killed them and scorched the bark facing the house.  Are these ok to use?  I would assume they are fine but wanted to make sure. 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22776/043.JPG)

You can see the side that was and was not facing the fire. 

How many of my 48" circumference trees will I need to make the cut list above?  I will obviously cut down an extra 10 to 20% to make sure we have enough.  If I need to provide more information to figure it out, just let me know. 

thanks
Austin

Willie,

I think Lynn is looking at a Dec date for sawing.  You are of course welcome to help then or later when I start framing. 

Daniel,

I really have no idea if I'm going to need help felling and bucking.  I've never done it before.  I will keep everyone posted on how it goes. 

thanks
Austin

Just a quick going over.

Beams, 7 logs 13-14 inch diameter by 14 feet, an extra and allow some end trim after drying defects.

2x6 studs, 12" by 10 feet, 22 logs at about 12-14 inch diameter.

Roof rafters, 15" by 18 feet, 22 logs

Lumber, print off a Doyle log rule and keep a tally of logs til you get about 5k feet.

There will be side lumber off the beams and roof rafters that should cut back on the numbers for the narrower 2x and side lumber.

I'm just guessing that you will be using mostly Pine. Some of the southern members that have more softwood experience will probably be able to adjust the list a little closer.

That would be for full 2x material. Just remember, when Lynn leaves, you had better have enough sawn. Better to have extra than not enough.

I am off to the Cabin for a couple of days getting ready for the Chickin Crispin.  Keep it going and I will catch up when I get back.

I hesitated to put a $$$ goal on our expense contribution level because the amount will not keep this from happening.  The need is there and it will be met.

We are now at $700.   :)

If extra is reached we all know you will do right by it. I don't think any of us are trying to figure your "break even" point.

Quote from: WH_Conley on September 19, 2013, 11:57:34 AM
If extra is reached we all know you will do right by it.

It would be nice to have such a "problem".  Our total is now $900.  Assuredly the Forestry Forum would benefit from any extra because it is the source that brings us all together.  :) 

While the donations are of an interest, our main focus is on the sawing job ahead.  Concentrating on the cut list and using the largest and straightest logs for the 18' 2X10's.

We have attracted Pat's attention and she is telling me that the old motorhome will have to be brought out of mothballs to serve as a meal and refreshment center, and that she is going.   8)

I'm in for some greenbacks and I will get with MM on date of sawing. I would like to make the trip and help offbear and stack or whatever else.
   Keep your head up! My man looks like help is on the way!

Just a note about the trip to TX. It would be great to recoup actual expenses, i.e. - gas for truck, fuel for edger, meals, and lodging, however it is not a showstopper. I don't expect any money for use of my edger or my labor. I will be going even if there is no money for my personal expenses. I try to make a few mission type trips each year where there is a need. A group of us worked on church addition in OK last year and spent a week earlier this year assisting a church with cleanup in Moore, OK after the tornado. Thanks to all who are helping a brother in need.

Willie

Willie
Your request for some coverage is fine from here, and to keep some order about it, I'd suggest working with MM.
After this is completed, then some additional accounting may be in order to pick up any slack.
I find it exceedingly generous for you and MM to go the extra mile in the Forestry Forum way with equipment to make this happen.
I'm for sure willing to help more if needed.

An estimate of those expenses would be a help too.

QuoteI really have no idea if I'm going to need help felling and bucking.  I've never done it before.

I see some room for Austin to have some help getting his trees down and collected to a site to do the milling. Austin mentioned not doing this before. There can be surprises not foreseen without some experience that could delay the Dec. milling time. 

I will make a donation. A little far for road trip.
Will we send MM a check or can we donate thru the FF?
Cheers
Stephen

I think folks are sending their checks to Magicman directly.  PM him with your contribution amount and he will give you his address...

Quoteor can we donate thru the FF?

That would be Jeff's call, I'd think. But as gr mentioned, a PM to MM will work too. Mine went in the mail today.

     Too far and bad timing for a road trip, but the bank says the check will be there on the 25th. 
     Help with felling, trimming, bucking and skidding would certainly be a big help for Austin. 
     Knowing the proper way to lay out the logs for best work flow would be a nice thing too.
     And don't forget guys.  There's a lot more to a house than just sawn wood, too!

beenthere

I should have posted that MM and I were on the phone, exchanged several PM's and agreed this was the thing to do. I called him as soon as he posted that he would go. I waited to post my support until he started the new thread.  We discussed that we would work on the details of the plan during the Chickin Crispin next weekend.

Willie

Quote from: dablack on September 19, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
I really have no idea if I'm going to need help felling and bucking.  I've never done it before.  I will keep everyone posted on how it goes. 

If you've never done it before, you are going to need help. Cutting down a tree is easy; getting it to fall in the direction you want it to (and not on you) is the tricky part.

Bucking looks pretty simple, too. Until you pinch the bar. Or split a face off a log.

 
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If you've never done it before, you are going to need help. Cutting down a tree is easy; getting it to fall in the direction you want it to (and not on you) is the tricky part.

Bucking looks pretty simple, too. Until you pinch the bar. Or split a face off a log.
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Luckily, the trees I'm going to be using are out in the open.  I won't care which way they fall except toward me.  I was planning on watching some youtube videos on felling trees. 

As far as bucking them, I'm open to any hints.

thanks
Austin

Magicman and wwsjr,you guys are doing a super job. Keep on with the faith.
If I was closer too,I could show you how to cut them down and buck them up. It's not all that hard,but hard to show and explain on a keyboard.

DABlack...

Get some kevlar chaps before you start felling and wear them faithfully.  It only takes a few milliseconds to have a mishap and they will save you an incident like this... (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,60018.0.html)

Ok!  You don't have to tell me twice.  Where is the best place to buy them.  I'm good with ordering them online.  I would like to order today because I'm going to start cutting next weekend. 

Also, I'm going to start with some smaller trees that are out in the open where we plan to put a garden later.  I will get used to the saw and how to fell.  Then I can move my way up. 

thanks
Austin

Just take your time. Always have an escape route, and watch out for ones with a cat face on them, they can and will break off as the tree falls.

I am a new guy here, have been lurking for a while.  This thread motivated me to register.  I am very close to Rusk and would like to help get the logs ready.  I am certainly not a professional logger but do have a little experience and can help fall, buck or ??

Dennis (Lufkin TX)

Quote from: dablack on September 20, 2013, 09:52:04 AM
Ok!  You don't have to tell me twice.  Where is the best place to buy them.  I'm good with ordering them online.  I would like to order today because I'm going to start cutting next weekend. 

I got mine at Baileys.

There are many styles here. (http://www.baileysonline.com/shop.axd/Search?keywords=chaps)

This is the pair I got. (http://www.baileysonline.com/Clothing/Protective-Clothing/Forestry-Chaps/Chaps/Work-Safe-Orange-Chainsaw-Safety-Chaps.axd)

Quote from: grweldon on September 20, 2013, 11:23:50 AM

Quote from: dablack on September 20, 2013, 09:52:04 AM
Ok!  You don't have to tell me twice.  Where is the best place to buy them.  I'm good with ordering them online.  I would like to order today because I'm going to start cutting next weekend. 

I got mine at Baileys.

There are many styles here. (http://www.baileysonline.com/shop.axd/Search?keywords=chaps)

This is the pair I got. (http://www.baileysonline.com/Clothing/Protective-Clothing/Forestry-Chaps/Chaps/Work-Safe-Orange-Chainsaw-Safety-Chaps.axd)

Same ones I have.

dablack,
Google "Game of Logging" for videos / instructions on felling safely and properly. You can damage a good log by doing it wrong, worse yet you can damage you!

Welcome aboard Den-Den.

Austin
Our sponsor, Bailey's, is a good source for ordering online.

For bucking, know the lengths of lumber you want to saw. Then look for the straight sections of the downed tree that will fit those lengths (plus 6" trim).
Determine which side (upside or downside) has the tension and compression or is neutral the way the log lays.
Tension may cause splitting which you do not want. Compression may cause the bar to be pinched and either need another saw to get it out or a way to lift the log and remove the pinched bar.

I would recommend dropping the trees and limbing the tops off first (that way they will not add to the twist and tension in the log).

Keep asking questions.  Wish you well, and you should be ok with your plan.

I would like to contribute but I need help.  I thought I had sent a PM to Magicman last night but I do not think it went through.
John Snyder

Ok, I ordered my chaps! 

Dennis,
Where do you work in Lufkin?  Im at Lufkin Industries.  I appreciate your offer of help.  I'm going to give it a go myself first.  I will for sure let you know if I need help.  Are you also interested in coming up when MM is sawing?

thanks
Austin

John S

I think Magicman is at his cabin with no internet for a couple of days.

Willie

I also PM'd MM after he left for his cabin and wont expect a response for a few days. Linda and I will be helping with expenses but really would have love to go to Texas, man what a beautiful State.  Good luck to everyone!
Ernie

Den-Den,welcome to the forum. All ready helping.you will fit right in.  ;D

dablack,I would take Den-Den up on his offer. There is alot to felling trees and bucking them up.

Wonderful offer you made Dennis, and Welcome to the Forestry Forum!

Welcome to Forum, Hope to meet you when we come to TX.

Willie

Most people on this forum can tell you many important things about chainsaw safety.  But, in my opinion, bucking and limbing are the most hazardous operations.  Mainly cause it seems so easy, people get complacent. A logger friend of mine told me the most common injuries he sees happen when bucking and limbing.  One main thing to remember is to keep the wood you're cutting well back on the saw.  Your tendency will be to use the tip, but, as a beginner, it's the quickest way to get in trouble.

Quote from: dablack on September 20, 2013, 08:49:36 AM

... Luckily, the trees I'm going to be using are out in the open.  I won't care which way they fall except toward me. ...

Wrong answer.

A tree that doesn't fall in the direction you intended is falling out of control. It could easily fall on you :(.

This should become clear after you've seen some videos. Be aware that people have posted all sorts of videos that illustrate various dangerous procedures. Make sure you're not watching one of those.

Your plan to practice on small trees is a good one. Keep in mind that even a "small" tree can weigh several hundred pounds. Each time you fall a tree, make it a practice to analyze the stump after the tree is on the ground. Once you've got the hang of falling a tree properly, it's easy to get a little too confident. Analyzing each stump will warn you if you're starting to develop bad habits.

If you've got some small saplings 2 or 3 inches in diameter, you can practice falling on them ::). Yes, I know it sounds silly when you could just cut them off in one pass. But cut a tiny notch on one face, then a tiny back cut on the other side, and then push the "tree" over. Watch how the resulting hinge controls the fall of the tree. Try doing the same thing, but make the back cut too deep and notice how there is no hinge, allowing the tree to go just about anywhere.

According to the BC Workers' Compensation Board, tree falling is one of the most dangerous occupations there is.

Take your time and keep yourself safe. You've had enough hardship as it is.

Good morning Magic---Have sent my check to you this am------Don

Sent my Pm to Magicman to find out where to send the check...

I wish I could come help out and bring my chainsaws, but Texas is a long drive from NC, and I gotta work, so my donation will have to do. Kudos to all you guys who can break from working to help a family out!

I had 16 PM's and 3 emails when I logged on.  I believe that I have them answered, but please keep your "forum name" as well as your real name with your correspondence and checks.  That way I can keep the bookkeeping straight.  Every penny will be accounted for and a statement issued as we get the figures.

Welcome to the Forestry Forum Den-Den.   :)  Please send dablack a message or whatever to assist with the felling & bucking.  Also there was another offer from "GAmillworker" for felling/bucking help. 

Our expense contribution total is now at $1930, but several have not given me their contribution amount yet.

PM or email me and I will furnish my mailing address.  Also, checks and money orders through the mail will work best.

I do want to keep everyone updated with the expense contributions.  We are at $2230 and there are several that have not given me their amount.

I will be severely distracted this week at the Cabin getting ready for the Chickin Crispin, plus I have no internet service there.  Hopefully progress will be made concerning the logs and insuring that we can fulfill the cut list.

I'll help, sending you a PM MM.

PM sent.

I had one email and 12 PM's waiting for me when I logged on.  Hopefully I have answered each of them correctly. 

Our expense pledge total is now $3130 and several have not given me their amount yet.

MM,
I sent the check out yesterday. All I ask is that you guys take lots of photos!

I will take tons of pictures.  Tons.  I will also fully document the build of the house and post it here. 

thanks
Austin

Our check is finally in the mail too. Drove it to nearest big town to save a few days mail time. God speed!

Long time "lurker", this is my first post ever 8)...I would like to contribute by going to TX on the build date, don't live to far away (NW Louisiana)...have some carpentry skills, jack of all trades skills, built my own house...I'm a wannabe sawyer, and after a LOT of research, have pretty much decided on the brand and model of mill, now just have to save for it...I would love to come and help...can bring a tractor with FEL, Polaris to haul stuff, some carpentry stuff, air compressor, nail guns, etc...have some general plumbing and electrical experience...just need to know a date...can also bring a hog and tow behind smoker grill, just a thought... ;D

Hey Admin, is there any possibility of taking this thread and making it a "sticky" at least until the build date is done ?

V/R

Rich

Now that is a nice way to join the forum! Welcome. ;D

Thank you Mesquite Buckeye...gotta ask...is your "handle" a reference to you possibly being from Ohio by way of Tx ?  :D

Rich

Quote from: Biggreenavalanche on September 30, 2013, 09:55:03 AM


Hey Admin, is there any possibility of taking this thread and making it a "sticky" at least until the build date is done ?

you can easily keep track of any topic you want by using the add bookmark function link on any topic. After you bookmark the topic, you can return to it any time by going to "My Bookmarks"  under the profile link.  You can also use the subscribe function to notify you when ever there is new activity on the topic.

Quote from: Biggreenavalanche on September 30, 2013, 01:41:05 PM
Thank you Mesquite Buckeye...gotta ask...is your "handle" a reference to you possibly being from Ohio by way of Tx ?  :D

Rich

Arizona ;D

Thanks Jeff, I didn't know any of that...

Quote from: Biggreenavalanche on September 30, 2013, 09:55:03 AM
...I would like to contribute by going to TX on the build date, ...I would love to come and help...can bring a tractor with FEL, Polaris to haul stuff, some carpentry stuff, air compressor, nail guns, etc...have some general plumbing and electrical experience...just need to know a date...
Rich

Hey Rich,

That would be great.  After all the lumber is cut, I'm assuming I will have to wait a bit before building to let the wood dry a little.  What would help me the most is moving and setting the posts and beams.  Then setting the 2nd floor joists.  After the wood gets cut I will keep this thread updated or start a new one for the build.  We can figure out a date then. 

thanks
Austin

Biggreenavalanche,welcome to the forum. That is a great way to give back to a FF member. Sounds like you will be a big help to the Goodwill Sawing. What sawmill are you saving up for?  ;D

Hello Biggreenavalanche, and Welcome to the Forestry Forum.    smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup

Since we just got home from the Cabin, I have many PM's, emails, and envelops that I will attend to and get my bookkeeping up to date.

wwsjr and I were able to discuss our plans Saturday.  Hopefully, progress will soon be made toward felling, bucking, and staging the logs to fullfil the cut list.

Dablack, cool, just let me know when n where, hopefully after turkey day  :D, ie hunting season!....all others, thanks for the warm welcome...without getting into Chevy vs ford vs dodge debate on mills, the mill I'm planning on is the TK2000...short term for own lumber (figure I can practice/screw up on my logs, but not a paying customer's) long term I want to augment two retirements, want outside work, and don't ever want another boss ! 50 tomorrow, 57 at second retirement, looking forward to sawyering and admire what magicman does to help, I wanna get involved with stuff like that to the extent that I can afford...figure milling would be a way for both goals...

V/R

Rich

Most don't care about brand on here.Of course each thinks they have the better brand,but most don't try to convince you of it and tell you that you don't know nothing.
TK2000? Hyd? what kind motor,hp?

sent cash.  Hope it got their and not a problem.

What cfarm said...the only arguements on here are whether grits is considered an edible food or a food group (depending on where you live)!

Thanks again for MM and wswjr to organizing all this!

 smiley_dizzy My head is spinning this morning.

48 FF members have pledged $3350, plus two did not give me an amount.  I have received money/checks from 36 members with a total of $2365.  I have acknowledged each contribution that I have received with a PM.  (figuring out FF names & real names can be a challenge)

Quote from: Magicman on October 01, 2013, 06:47:01 PM
Hopefully, progress will soon be made toward felling, bucking, and staging the logs to fullfil the cut list.

all of us that sent checks did the easy part, i'm sure trying to keep track of it all is the hard part...   :D

its really great to see a community able to come together to help each other out.

Quote from: Magicman on October 01, 2013, 06:47:01 PM
Hopefully, progress will soon be made toward felling, bucking, and staging the logs to fullfil the cut list.

Subtle.....very subtle. 

Yes, I know.  I'm working hard to get to that point. 

Quote from: thecfarm on October 01, 2013, 07:39:03 PM
Most don't care about brand on here.Of course each thinks they have the better brand,but most don't try to convince you of it and tell you that you don't know nothing.
TK2000? Hyd? what kind motor,hp?

38 hp gas...full hydro...considering a lap siding attach...also planning on mouldering/planer...one large solar kiln, and maybe one large dehumidifier kiln...looking at ways to maximize profit on product...business plan in progress...luckily I won't have to rely on the business for beans n bullets,so to speak...this upcoming build project will be vey beneficial to me and am really looking forward to both it and the chance to help out !

V/R

Rich

Quote from: kilgrosh on October 02, 2013, 09:01:45 AM
What cfarm said...the only arguements on here are whether grits is considered an edible food or a food group (depending on where you live)!

Thanks again for MM and wswjr to organizing all this!

An edible food group that is eaten with gusto ! That oughta settle that one ! ;D

Certain members will keep the grit debate going until they can no longer post. smiley_hellow_im_here

Look Y'all......Grits are a food Group. Come down South, fix a BIG pot of Grits and here comes a group.  :D

I was down your way once.I never saw any groups.  say_what

like this, GROUPS
materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead materhead ;D

DanG....I believe I'll SHUT UP on this matter.  smiley_ignore

Not me.  :D

Quote from: thecfarm on October 02, 2013, 08:32:57 PM
Not me.  :D

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

One must not overlook the other important uses for grits:

   As a binder/additive to cement...no need for rebar.

   Tile grout.

   and of course dry grits spread around the lawn perimeter as a mole repellant. (caution: do NOT use cream of wheat as a substitute. Moles have the good sense to like cream of wheat.)

;)

Grits are a food additive. You feed them to the cattle and they turn into food. ;D

Success...another thread has been hijacked and turned to food!!

Bite your tongue!!!  I haven't seen any food mentioned on this thread.  ;D

I never knew a mole that had good taste.

Eat 1 cup of dried Grits......drink 1 tall glass of water.......call me in the morning.  ;D

Quote from: thecfarm on October 02, 2013, 08:32:57 PM
Not me.  :D

You know I will back you up anytime Ray.  :)

   Much like steak, one eats the meat, no need to grind the bones and make mush and name it food.....  ;D

DanG Dr. Poston, that's enough grits to stop up a whole platoon...

Herb

Grits ... isn't that what you do with your teeth when you try to swallow the stuff?

I like oatmeal myself ... now there's a food that substitutes for so many things around the shop and home! ;D

Quote from: kilgrosh on October 03, 2013, 11:03:28 AM
Success...another thread has been hijacked and turned to food!! 

Maybe this "grits distraction" will soon pass and we can keep this worthwhile project/topic at the forefront so that we can watch the progress being made.   :)

Amen! 8)

I guess we will have to take the grits to another thread and pollute that one.  :D

Quote from: Magicman on October 04, 2013, 07:25:27 AM

Quote from: kilgrosh on October 03, 2013, 11:03:28 AM
Success...another thread has been hijacked and turned to food!! 

Maybe this "grits distraction" will soon pass and we can keep this worthwhile project/topic at the forefront so that we can watch the progress being made.   :)

Yup, sorry about that ...

So, back to the topic at hand ... and in an effort to organize the troops ... would it be worthwhile to lay out some kind of timeline so that any volunteers can start to plan their time?  In my former life as a desk-jockey, we called that a "project plan" and it was a useful organizational tool.  We'll need dablack input primarily, but I'd be glad to help organize.  Possibly we "pin" MM's saw date and work from there ...

Or, if that doesn't help ... well, never mind then.  Honest and open feedback please if that would be useful.

Quote from: Magicman on October 04, 2013, 07:25:27 AM

Quote from: kilgrosh on October 03, 2013, 11:03:28 AM
Success...another thread has been hijacked and turned to food!! 

Maybe this "grits distraction" will soon pass and we can keep this worthwhile project/topic at the forefront so that we can watch the progress being made.   :)

Hmmm... I'm glad you did that Lynn.  I was thinking about it but there is no way I could have possibly done it as tactfully as you!

So, back to the topic at hand ... and in an effort to organize the troops ... would it be worthwhile to lay out some kind of timeline so that any volunteers can start to plan their time?  In my former life as a desk-jockey, we called that a "project plan" and it was a useful organizational tool.  We'll need dablack input primarily, but I'd be glad to help organize.  Possibly we "pin" MM's saw date and work from there ...

Or, if that doesn't help ... well, never mind then.  Honest and open feedback please if that would be useful.
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Well, right now we are playing it by ear.  HA!  I don't know if Lynn has nailed down a date but going from memory, I think we are thinking Dec/Jan.  I have to clear off the slab and cut, buck, skid and organize the logs.  To do the logs, I have to finish the house plan. I should have that nailed down in the next seven days.  I'm hoping to start clearing the slab tomorrow if it isn't raining.  Then we will have a spot to stack the wood. 

On another sheet I have to figure out a car for the wife.  Her explorer dropped a valve at 185k miles.  I thought for sure the trans would go before that motor.  So now I'm looking for a replacement 4.0L to drop in.  I work 45 miles from home so I take the car leaving her stuck at home.  Right now she is NOT happy.  She has an old truck that she can take in an emergency but that is it.  And when momma aint happy......   I'm hoping I can find a low milage 4.0L out of a 2005 or newer mustang V6 but any 4.0L from 2002 and newer will work.  Then there is the gate that was torn up when they brought the trailer in.  Oh well.  No rest.  I just keep pushing forward. 

Oct:  clear slab, fell trees, fix gate, get engine for explorer. 
Nov:  Buck trees and skid to mill site at top of hill next to slab.  Deal with cut limbs and tops. 
Dec/Jan: Milling Time.

I can't get more detailed than that. 
Austin

Mine and Willie's plans are hinged on the logs being staged.  I will be gone for the rest of October and then have sawing jobs scheduled for all of November.  I should be clear beginning around the first of December.  Of course, if things get pushed until January, then all is still well with me.   :)

I'm in for Dec, Jan, Feb, or possilbly as late as Mar...Nov will probably be eaten up by hunting n such... ;D...

v/r

Rich

I am good for first 2 weeks and part of 3rd week of December. As Lynn, if pushed into January I am good to go, nothing on schedule as of now.

Willie

For all this forum has given me, I was only too happy to chip in a little.

I am thinkin that from the sounds of things the sawing will either be a real nice Christmas present or a great way to start the new year.

I only wish I could come and help in person :)

I will be off of the internet for the next ~two weeks, so I will give a tally and acknowledge all receipts when I am back on line.   :)

Just a little update and maybe a question. 

I've been slowly clearing the slab of metal and larger pieces of lumber.  I usually back my truck up to the slab, fill the bed with the big stuff and then drive it down to a low spot that used to be an old logging road.  I dump everything there and then go back.  It has been hot and dirty work.  I throw all the metal to the driveway to be picked up later.  This past week it has rained pretty much every day.  I really wanted to get some work done but it was just too wet and the truck would have gotten stuck.  So I walk up to the slab just to look around.  I didn't want to risk using my tractor because of all the nails in the wood still sticking up everywhere.  Finally I had had enough and went and got the tractor.  The slab is built on a hill so I brought in a bunch of dirt to get a level spot.  One end of the slab is 6' higher than the surrounding ground.  So, I just pushed all the debris off that end of the slab.  Now the slab is mostly clear.  To inspect it, I'm going to have to finish getting the bits off, unbolt the toe boards and rinse the slab off.  Then I will be able to tell if it has to be resurfaced or not.  So, I'm very please to have most of the debris off.  It looks like it will be nice this weekend so I'm hoping to have the rest done then. 
The reason I'm clearing the slab before felling trees is that the condition of the slab determines the build.  If I have to have the slab resurfaced, I will go ahead and use posts in the middle of the house to support a central beam and use sawmill floor joist (2x10s 13' long).  Using these posts and beams will require a footer be poured where they go.  If I'm having the slab resurfaced, that footer won't be such a big deal.  If the slab does NOT have to be resurfaced, then I will NOT use posts and beams to support the 2nd floor.  I will use engineered Ijoists to keep my open span downstairs and to speed up the build.  I know sawmill lumber would be cheaper but cutting out the slab to pour footers is not. 
So, I can't really finish the cut list until I find out if the slab is ok.  since I can't finish the cut list, I don't know how many trees to fell and so on.   

Question.  How long do I need to let the lumber sit before I can start building? 

thanks
Austin

Nail it green. ;D

dablack,
Cutting out parts of your slab to add concrete spread footings may not be as expensive as you think, the concrete flat sawing is relatively inexpensive and you already have a foundation guy to pour them in place.
Concrete flatsawing on an existing 4" slab is $1.50 to $2.00 per linear foot, you can get a bunch of flatsawing done for the minimum charge on your site. If you request it ahead of time you can get the slab cut overlapped and an anchor set so that you can lift the piece out with your tractor and dig your foundation footing, another method is known as core drilling and it gives you a circular hole that is large enough to dig anything you might need even if the footing is square and in this case the core is removed for you and ready to start digging. Your local rental yard more than likely has the flatsaws available to rent and it can save you a few bucks to help things along..
In some areas you might even be able to simply use a method known as a controlled break where you just blow part of the slab out with a jackhammer and start digging, when the foundation is poured the cement mason can blend it back and you will have a nice clean patch.
Not sure if this helps but you have these options available if you need them.

Splinter,

That is exactly what I was going to do if I had to go that route.  I was going to rent the required saw, cut it out, dig it out and then have them pour the spread footing while they put an additional 4" on top of the slab.  I figured it would cost about $2k to get all that done.  That would allow me to use sawmill lumber for beams, posts, and joists.  So, if I do have to resurface the slab, then not having to buy I-joists will pay for the concrete work.  The problem with posts and beams is that they end up being 10x12 or 10x14 and I just don't have the trees big enough to pull that off.  It would take more effort to source the trees, do the concrete work and stand up the posts, beams, and joists than it would to just buy I-joists for $2400.  Of course that is assuming I don't have to resurface the concrete.  If I have to resurface then, I will have to find some big logs. 

So, $2k and a bunch of work and trees that I don't have or $2400 and no extra work.  Plus, no posts in the middle of the house. 

Isn't that what building is all about?  Compromises between time and cost. 

Mailed my check towards the project today...wish I could come help out for a few days :(

As far as the slab question, I think you will probably find it ok. If it was just framing and building materials, I really couldn't see where it could become hot enough to damage concrete. But I am not a structural engineer, so take it for what it's worth. Whack it in spots with a four pound hammer and see if it shatters like glass :o

Do we have a paypal address for donating to this or just cheques . If cheques where do we mail them to ? Red

PM Magicman for him to send an address, just in case he is resting at the moment from posting all those great pics.  ;D

 Red Good, welcome aboard. I am just west of you. bg

I sent Red Good a PM with the mailing information.

There were 7 envelopes with contributions when I got home.  Our total contributions received is now $2855 with $915 pledges that I have not received.

I will not cash any checks until the expense need is there.  At that time, we should know how to properly distribute it in an equatable way to cover some of the felling, sawing, and even framing expenses.   :)

Quote from: outerbanxer on October 15, 2013, 01:31:13 PM
Mailed my check towards the project today...wish I could come help out for a few days :(

As far as the slab question, I think you will probably find it ok. If it was just framing and building materials, I really couldn't see where it could become hot enough to damage concrete. But I am not a structural engineer, so take it for what it's worth. Whack it in spots with a four pound hammer and see if it shatters like glass :o

I lost an A frame to a fire.  It was on a slab and a total loss.  The front porch survived because they put some water on it before all of the water went on my garage and propane tank.  I watched.  It took about an hour.  There wasn't much left, but the legs on the wood burner, on the slab, were melted.  No refrigerator.  The washer, dryer and furnace were small melted metal chunks.  The iron spiral staircase was in the best shape.  You could still tell what it was.  I didn't look for gun barrels and other items that may have been recognized.  The slab was not something that anyone considered salvaging and removing it created problems because I'm low and close to water, but it had to be removed.  It can easily get over 1,100 degrees and concrete starts to fail.  If the fire wasn't too hot, it might have survived, but how do you get the stink out?  Muriatic acid?

I'm going to try and post pictures of the slab soon.  I need to unbolt the toe boards and rinse it all off.  The slab looks pretty good.  The house burned from the top down so as debris fell it covered the slab.  I think that is what saved it.  If it would have burned from the bottom up, I think it would have been worse.  The damage I have is caused by the moisture in the slab boiling off and popping up chunks of concrete.  Usually it is just the cream that pops up.  Most of the "pot holes" are a 1/4" deep.  There is one that is maybe an inch deep.  That is the one I really need to clean out and see how the bottom of it looks.  The funny thing is, I found that really bad spot when the slab was still covered with debris.  I was thinking the whole slab looked like that.  Luckily, it does not.  If the bottom of that bad spot isn't too bad, I'm thinking I will fill with something made to patch concrete and then just tile over it.  Before the fire, that floor was acid stained and sealed concrete.  It looked great and I did it myself, but I won't be able to do that again without sanding the whole thing down to fresh concrete and there is no way I'm doing that. 

I have found the blades and gears from my chop saw, recipricating saw, winch, circular saw, power washer, caulk gun and other metal bits.  I found my framing hammer and my prybar.  I also found all the rolled up copper wire. 

I am installing my Auto Clutch today, so I will be ready when the time comes.   8)

Quote from: Magicman on October 22, 2013, 01:24:16 PM
I am installing my Auto Clutch today, so I will be ready when the time comes.   8)

     MM, you're really gonna like that new autoclutch! 8)

dablack, Austin, sorry to hear about the house.  I am 2 1/2 hours away in Carlos and would like to help.

Please keep us posted on the "Project Plan".  Will be watching for the slab pictures, but am away from the internet days at a time. 

MM, you truly are an amazing magic man. 

Allen

The Auto Clutch is installed and adjusted and everything went smoothly.  I have pictures and may do a thread on it.

Quote from: Magicman on October 20, 2013, 09:17:55 AMI will not cash any checks until the expense need is there.

I have gotten a few inquiries regarding personal checks.  Some to cash immediately, and some to not cash them until the need is there.  If anyone has a special request regarding the cashing of checks, just send me a PM and I will honor your request.  Handling someone else's money is a grave responsibility, and I take it very seriously.

Ok, here goes.  We have finally narrowed the design down and I have a basic cut list. 

2x6 8'  QTY 340
2x8 16'  QTY 80
2x4 8'  Qty 160
1x  for sheathing and subfloor.  2900 sqft for exterior sheething, 1352 sqft for subfloor.
That is all pine, obviously this is all as time allows.  If we don't get all the 1x material done, then so be it.

In White Oak, I need 2x material for counter tops and 1x material for flooring.  Flooring is 1350 sqft.  Countertop is 30 ft.
I also need 1x oak material for stair treads.  That is 15 treads, 1x12 3' long

So, it looks like I can cut most of my pines 8.5' long.  The rest need to be 17' long.
The oak, I will cut 6.5' long.  Does that make sense? 

Assuming all the bucked pine logs are 14" diameter on the small end, how many 8.5' logs?  How many 17' long pines?

Assuming the oaks are the same diameter and 6.5' long, how many logs for 1350 sqft?

thanks
Austin

 I am not going to try and give yopu a number of logs, but will sugest thast the oak be bucked at 11 feet for sawing ease. Its a lot faster to clamp down and cut a peice that is longer then trying to place ans saw a shorter one... well on my mill, maybe those doing the sawing have another saye.  :)

  Glad to hear that this is going down for you, really cool to have these guys pull together to give you a hand.   :)

Absolutely, I would prefer the Oak to be 14' which will also allow for some end checking.

A rough estimate on the Pine is ~eight 2X6 or 2X8 per log.  Double that for the 2X4's.  Sure, we will pick up a few extras along such as a couple of 2X4's from the 2X6 logs, but extras are always good.  We will also pick up some 1" lumber as we go.

Allen and Mike plan to start felling trees this weekend.   smiley_thumbsup

Not only is this an exciting time in Austin and his family's life, it is also an exciting chapter for the Forestry Forum.   8)

WOW!  Ok.  Eight per log.  SO:
size    length      qty           bucked logs (assuming 8 per log)              trees (assuming 24' of useable trunk)
PINE:
2x6       8'          340                     43                                                             14 trees
2x8       16'        80                       10                                                             10 trees (plus 8' stuff left over)
2x4       8'          160                     10 (assume 16 per log)                                4 trees
1x4       8'         5000sqft               58?!?! (assume 32 per log)                          19 trees                             

OAK:
1x4        14'       1352sqft               9 (assuming 32 per log)                             5 trees
2x12      14'        4                         2 (assuming 2 per log w/ 1x left over)           2 trees


There is no way I have that many trees to cut down.  We will focus on the oak and then the 16' 2x8s.  After those, we will get as many 2x6s and 1x material as we can.  It is pouring right now but Friday after work I should be able to get out there and do a complete tree count.  I'm thinking I have 30-33 pines and maybe 3 or 4 oaks. 

For the 2x8s we can make them a full 2x8.  For the other pine stuff we better go with the sizes you can find in the store so if I have to suppliment.......

Are my numbers above anywhere in the ballpark as far as number of logs/trees required?

thanks
Austin

Quote " but will sugest thast the oak be bucked at 111 feet" from isawlogs,

111 feet?? what kinda mill you got?? :o I think that is even too long for Jake!

Remember now that I am being very conservative so that you would be guaranteed to make your cut list.  We would concentrate on the framing lumber and pick up "extras" such as the 1" along the way which would reduce the logs needed.

Also, every log will not be 14", the lumber yield per log will be slightly different.

     For the stair treads, I think I'd be looking for 5/4 wood.  Might mess up your numbers just a little.

Magic,
If I were in the driver's seat, pulling the mill, on what side do the logs need to be stacked?  I'm assuming the off loading will be the other side.  Correct?

Nomad,
Yes, you are correct, it really should be 5/4 for the treads.  Thanks for the reminder.

Austin

Quote from: dablack on October 31, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Magic,
If I were in the driver's seat, pulling the mill, on what side do the logs need to be stacked?  I'm assuming the off loading will be the other side.  Correct?
Austin

Drivers side. If there is any slope, then the logs need to be on the uphill side of the sawmill.

Ok.  I think we can make that work.  I might get some pictures from up there Friday to make sure it will work.  The camper that burned up in the fire needs to get gone before we have much room up there.  I need to see if a scrapper will come get it. 

I am still planning to bring the RV for sleeping, cooking, & refreshments since you said that you had a 30 amp RV outlet.  OK?

Yes, 30 amp RV outlet.  We have water up there too but it is about 70ft from the outlet.  The only problem I see is, where we used to park the RV, is where we will most likely want to put the mill.  I'm sure we will figure it out. 

Right now we are kind of stuck because we had some driveway work done (more dirt and gravel) and now it has been pouring for two days.  He hadn't put the gravel down yet and hadn't even compacted it yet so we have a huge mud pit right outside our house.  No one is driving up to the top of the hill right now.  At least not on the driveway.  Allen and Mike said they were bringing a tractor.  We will just have to unload it at the bottom of the hill and drive it up. 

Austin

I have 3 RV extension cords, so we can work out any different situation.  I also have a "pigtail" and can come directly out of a breaker box.  Surely we will not need AC.   :D

No, no AC needed.  In fact, it is pretty windy at the top of the hill in the winter.  Even if the weather shows 60 for the high, it feels colder.  Now, in the summer, there is zero air movement.  Cold and windy or hot and still.  I wish I could swap it around. 

Austin

Quote from: moosehunter on October 30, 2013, 04:39:53 PM
Quote " but will sugest thast the oak be bucked at 111 feet" from isawlogs,

111 feet?? what kinda mill you got?? :o I think that is even too long for Jake!

Its all good now MH, I went back in there and fixed it so any mill could saw those logs now.  ;D :)

Austin,
I don't see any 4x material on your list, just wondering what you will be using for posts, window and door headers, garage door header and a few other things like 1x6 for let in braces and collar ties etc. Will you be laminating the headers and beams?
I am sure you have a complete list of materials all planned out and I wanted to make sure you have it all covered. So far your project is moving along on a fast track pace and the entire group is very much tuned in to your lumber list and cutting list and every component of your project.
This rebuild is a very special project and we all want to see it go together very smooth and with precision, I and all the others are I'm sure looking forward to your home in its framed and finishing stages and will be trying to help where ever we can with your project, I hope you have time to take photos along the way to help keep us up to date.

All good points.  In the last build, no windows were in load bearing walls.  I'm going to have to look into using mill cut lumber for window headers.  The new build will have at least four windows in load bearing walls.  For the garage door headers I was planning on 2  1.75x12" LVLs.  We have a full story above the garage doors and only 8' ceilings.  I'm not sure a mill cut beam would fit in the 2x6 wall.  I will look into that more.  With the full two story, there are no collar ties. 
We literally nailed down the floor plan three days ago.  A one story would have been faster to build but only the kids could have bedrooms in the "attic".  A 1.5 story is actually harder to build because all the roof work is higher off the floor of the second floor.  We finally decided to go full two story.  It is almost as fast to build as a one story and after pricing the whole house, the two story is only $2k more than the 1 story. 
No, we won't be using beams.  Posts and beams would require lots of cutting of the slab and pouring new footers.  I'm just not up for that.  So, to span the 26' we will be using engineered I joists.  Yes, mill cut beams would be more fun but just didn't work out. 

Yes, this rebuild is a very special project and I promise I will take tons of pictures and keep everyone up to date. 

thanks
Austin

 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22776/274.JPG) Are these down oaks any good for sawing.  Most of the sap wood has fallen off but the rest of the wood looks strong.  I have no idea and of course I'm sure it is hard to tell from pictures.  The two trees on the ground are pretty big and have been on the ground for at least three years.  The one standing is just as solid as the ones on the ground.  I think it would make great lumber but I'm not sure.  Is it worth my time to fell the standing ones, buck them and move them to the pile?  The last tree is down in a ravine.  From where I'm standing it is at least 25' down to the bottom.  If I fell it the right way, the top of the tree should be where I can get to it with my truck.  I'm hoping I can pull it out whole and buck it up in a clearing.  I'm hoping these four trees will provide my 1350 sqft of flooring, 5/4 stair treads, and about 30' of counter top. 
Thoughts?

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Finally figured out the picture thing again.  Here are the other pics.



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Great day today.  Allen and Mike showed up bright and early this morning at 8am.  I showed them where we would be cutting and we got to work......or....they got to work.  I just sort of watched at first. 



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Mike is on the left and Allen on the right.  This tree fought them the whole way.  Just to the right is the fence line.  After the wedge got cut, the wind started blowing toward the fence line.  They finally got it on the ground right where they wanted it. 



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Here is Mike taking a 16' to the pile.  The pile was about 1500' from the cutting area.  Made for lots of tractor time.  At this point, I'm finally helping.  Mike had a smaller saw for limbing and that is what I did.  OH YEAH!  They let me work the tape measure too.   HA!



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Here are the shots everyone's been waiting for. 

Here is the 8' stack.



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Here is the 16' stack.  There is also a small 12' stack to the right.



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I had a great time with Mike and Allen.  They are great guys and taught by example.  I learned lots about felling and bucking trees. 

The next area to be cut is only 70' from the pile and I only have to cut 8's.  With that being said, after using Mike's spare saw, I don't think my little sears unit will work but I will give it a shot. 

HUGE THANKS to Allen and Mike.  Couldn't have done it without you.

thanks
Austin

Awesome.. What a great day this was.  8)

That is a great start indeed.  Did you guys cut all that in one day? You must have had quite a breakfast.

Nice whack of logs, Magic Man will have plenty to do.

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With that being said, after using Mike's spare saw, I don't think my little sears unit will work but I will give it a shot. 

As long as it's running right, and the chain is sharp it will get the job done. Might take a bit longer, might need to saw from both sides of a larger tree...  But if the guys have taught you right, just take your time, make the cuts correctly, use your wedges and it will work.

Glad the guys were able to get there and help you out, it was part of your original question that made me nervous. Those practical lessons are the best.

Starting to get a useful whack of logs there, I'm thinking that's the sort of thing MM want's to see when he arrives. Nice tidy piles of decent logs.  ;D

Ian

Quote from: dablack on November 01, 2013, 07:11:37 PM
Are these down oaks any good for sawing.......I'm hoping these four trees will provide my 1350 sqft of flooring, 5/4 stair treads, and about 30' of counter top.

Yes, those Oaks need sawing.  When you buck them into lengths, you can then determine the quality of the heart wood.  The inside should be solid, such as this one was.


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You can see from the end that it was solid and it made some wonderful flooring. 

I know that you need 6½' lumber and I talked about 14' logs, but buck those dead logs 8½'.  You will have some end waste, but that will minimize the overall loss.

There is no way that I can over-emphasize the importance of safety and safety gear when felling dead trees.  Overhead limbs and tops are not called "Widow Makers" for no reason.

The Pine logs look very good and well staged.  You, Mike, and Allen had a very productive day.   smiley_thumbsup

Contributions toward the expenses also continue to come in.  I have acknowledged each of the contributions received either by email or PM.  If you have sent a contribution and have not gotten an acknowledgement from me, please advise.  I take accounting for each of your pledges and contributions very seriously.  (I have one member's contribution that was not received).

As of now, I have 7 pledges that I have not received. 

As information, we have received contributions from non-FF members and also from FF members that have never made a single post.  It's from the Heart.   :)

I am not sure but it might work out, I think it would be in the best interest of all parties involved here if Magicman has the advantage of an edger to accompany his efforts in milling all this lumber for the "Goodwill Roadtrip/Sawing" event.
Has anyone got one close by the project site?, better yet I suspect Wood-Mizer could come up with a loaner for the project and I would think they might entertain it if the right person asked in a nice way.  ;D.If Magicman had a couple guys running the edger he could focus on the cutting list and the logs being staged for optimum productivity.

                                                         Any Ideas??        GS

Quote from: wwsjr on September 18, 2013, 05:14:46 PM
Count me in to make the trip assuming no unforeseen problems. It is about an eight hour drive for me. If nothing happens, I will be there for a week if needed. I will bring my WM two blade edger which will help to speedup the sawing. We can setup a production line and make a lot of sawdust. The response that I received from Forum members when I lost my mill and shop to fire drives me not to hesitate to grab the chance to go and help another member as people did me. I can somewhat understand how "dablack" must feel at this time.  Willie 

Take note of Reply #2.   ;D

Very Very nice Magicman, that will smooth things out and ease your load a little, I think you will be in good shape Magicman, the project is coming together very nicely.

Sorry, just have to say something.  I just retired (effective Nov 1) from Corporate America where everything is about Making MORE Money, not about making a difference in the world.  I was so impressed with the FF right from the first time I logged in.  But this effort by a whole lot of members from across the country and beyond to help someone in need who was basically a stranger (no longer, of course) just establishes a whole new level of respect and admiration for you all.  Maybe you all take it for granted, but I'm afraid that that benevolent spirit is being lost in this "Me Me Me" society.  After listening to all the bad things going on in the world bombarding us in the media every day, it's a welcome relief to log in here and read about something so so so good going on.  Thanks again MM and everyone involved for reminding me about what's really important ...

Austin, Mrs. Black, and children, you are very welcome!!!!!

It was Mike and I's pleasure to spend the day with you.  Both of us really feel good about being a small part of the FF's project to lend a hand to a very deserving family's rebuilding plans.  We both hope to able to make another appearance during milling.

MM, thank you for recognizing a need and starting this project.

ARp.   Allen Piepenburg     Mike Lavender

Quote from: SawyerBrown on November 06, 2013, 10:00:01 AM
Sorry, just have to say something.   Thanks again MM and everyone involved for reminding me about what's really important ...

Please don't say "sorry".  I thought you were about to say something negative. 

Yes, these days as in days past, bad news sells.  Also, it is so easy to say, "oh that terrible and move on".  Something I have learned through this post, the PM's I've gotten, and talking to others is that they PLAN for a certain number of "giving events" every year.  They PLAN for it.  They start the year assuming they are going to help someone or go somewhere and do something for someone else.  That blows me away.  I'm always eager to help a friend in need but I never go looking to help someone.  Plus, it is usually a known friend that I help.  Mike and Allen showed up early Saturday and it was like we were old friends.  It was amazing.  I'm taking much more away from this than a pile of lumber. 

Austin

Quote from: ARp on November 06, 2013, 11:09:08 AM
We both hope to able to make another appearance during milling.

MM, thank you for recognizing a need and starting this project.

ARp.   Allen Piepenburg     Mike Lavender

Can't wait to see you again.  Hope you and Mike can both make it. 

I've been looking at the house plans and trying to think of ways to get rid of more store bought lumber and use the trees.  It looks like 3 10' 2x12s will work in place of the two 1.75x11 7/8 LVLs that I was going to use for garage door headers. 

I need 80 roof rafters but I forgot about the barge rafters.  So that is 4 more 2x8s 16'.  Total of 84.

Stairs!  I dont' know if I originally had the 2x12s for stairs or not.  So that is 6 2x12's 13' long...better make it 14' to be sure. 

So, I need to make sure there are enough extra logs for those parts.  I'm documenting this here so as I think of things, it will all be in the same place. 

Also, before I was worried about having enough lumber to finish the house and I would have to buy some.  That was keeping me away from using full size 2x4s and 2x6s.  Now I'm thinking I will have plenty and for the 2x6s full size lumber would allow a stronger wall and also would allow three full size 2x12s to be used in the garage door header. 

Thoughts?

thanks
Austin

sorry double post

Quote from: dablack on November 06, 2013, 11:17:01 AM

Quote from: SawyerBrown on November 06, 2013, 10:00:01 AM
Sorry, just have to say something.   Thanks again MM and everyone involved for reminding me about what's really important ...

Please don't say "sorry".  I thought you were about to say something negative. 

Austin

Sorry.  Oh, wait, I'm not supposed to say that ...  ;D  It wasn't exactly on topic, with all the spec's and calculations and number of logs and whatnot flying around.  I just wanted to take a step back a minute and reflect on the project as a whole.  Even with all that's happened to you, Austin, you have to feel blessed as well.

Good luck, I'll be praying for you and the team!

Pete

Austin, I am leaving it in your, Mike, and Allen's hands to have enough logs staged to make your cut list.  I know that that (Tom) is an unnerving responsibility to make the calculations and estimate the log yields.

I can make estimates regarding yields, but log sweep, etc. creates unknowns for us all.

Pete,

Anything to do with the situation, the logs, trees, wood, or house plan are all fair game in this thread.  Lets just avoid talking about G_ _ _ S. 

Yes, I feel very blessed.  I have a great wife and four great kids.  I was born on a Sunday and have always had things just sort of go my way.  When we lived south of Houston, Huricaine IKE went right over the house and we didn't even lose a tree.  I have always thanked the Father for all my blessings.  No matter how bad any of us have it, there are millions that are MUCH worse off.  The first two weeks after the fire I wasn't angry.  I was just in shock.  Then I had one day where I really got it out of my system.  I was mad and pittiful.  After that I was mostly back to my old thankful and blessed self.  With that being said, it is still hard.  The wife really doesn't like to walk up to the top of the hill.  It is still very hard for her.  I thought the large stack of logs would help and she really did want to come look but instead she just looked at the slab and RV.  She started crying but then turned around and just focussed on the logs.  It helped.  We now have something to SEE that shows we will be whole again.  For that we are truely blessed.  As the build area gets cleaner and the logs pile up, I'm hoping things will get even better for her. 

I also hoping to get what is left of the RV hauled off in the next week or so.  Then I will need to figure out what to do with the other junk.  We need room to stack lumber!

thanks
Austin

Quote from: Magicman on November 06, 2013, 02:25:17 PM
Austin, I am leaving it in your, Mike, and Allen's hands to have enough logs staged to make your cut list.  I know that that (Tom) is an unnerving responsibility to make the calculations and estimate the log yields.

I can make estimates regarding yields, but log sweep, etc. creates unknowns for us all.

Mike and Allen both thought it was a good idea to cut many more 16 footers than we need because we can always cut to 8' if needed.  Right now I'm using the numbers you told me earlier in the thread and then have a certain percentage more.  I think we will be safe using full size lumber for the 2x4s, 2x6s, 2x8s, and 2x12s.  The 1x material I'm still thinking about. 

thanks
Austin

Remember that when using "full size" lumber, nails become a very real problem.  16d nails are all that most air guns will shoot and they will not go through 4".  Also the figures that I quoted about log yield was for "factory" sized lumber, not full sized.  Full 4, 6, 8, etc. is no problem, it's the 1½ vs 2 that leads to fastener (nail) problems.

This is not an MM thing.  Forestry forum members have responded from all across North America to lend a hand.  wwsjr (Willie) is responding with his edger, Allen & Mike responded with the felling, bucking, & staging, and so many others have responded by relieving the expenses that will be incurred by those that can actually "hands on".

I started the "Heart" thread in the General Board to reach out to those that may not read the Sawmills and Milling Board.  The true Heart of the Forestry Forum is alive and beating within it's Members.

It has been said that a man never stands so tall as when he reaches down to help someone that has fallen.  We all have individual talents.  If we fail to use those talents to help others, then we too have fallen.

Quote from: Magicman on November 06, 2013, 04:59:24 PM
Remember that when using "full size" lumber, nails become a very real......  Full 4, 6, 8, etc. is no problem, it's the 1½ vs 2 that leads to fastener (nail) problems.

I rarely toe nail things so that won't be a problem but I will most likely use some sort of bracket for the roof rafters.   With that now realized, and my concern with lumber per log, we should probably go with nominal and not full size.  That gets more boards and allows store bought attachment brackets for the rafters.   

Glad you brought up the nail problem.    It made me think of the bracket problem. 

Thanks
Austin

We are all on the same team and playing the same game....together.   :)

1-5/8" works well with the store bought brackets, I agree, no need to waste lumber.  I don't expect any disappointments with this job, Stick with the plan and all will be good.  Snap lines work real well when used on the right side of the mark.    david

It really pays to make up a complete material list before you start sawing, and then check out all the commercial items (such as hangers). You can't rely on the manufacturers' descriptions (e.g. 2x8 joist hangers) -- you have to actually measure them yourself.

One of my customers ordered a bunch of 6x6 posts. "Is that full dimension, or store-bought size?", I asked him. Full dimension -- none of that wimpy stuff for him. Well, he bought a bunch of "6x6" saddles to support the posts and found out they were 5-1/2 x 5-1/2.

Another customer was building an outdoor structure with 6x6's. I mentioned the saddle issue and he told me he'd already poured the footings and embedded the saddles. He went home and measured them and found they were 6-1/8 x 6-1/8. He wanted a snug fit so I sawed his timbers slightly oversized.

Most hardware manufacturer's assume you'll be using "store-bought" sized lumber, but you never know for sure until you check for yourself.

Brucer,

Yes, I should go ahead and try to get a couple of the brackets.  I will put that on my list. 


David,

I've been racking my brain, but I've got nothing.  What do snap lines have to do with brackets?

thanks
Austin

Just a quick update on the expense contributions.  To date I have received $3055, and have additional pledges for $805 that I have not received.

Quote from: dablack on November 07, 2013, 08:12:55 AM
Brucer,

Yes, I should go ahead and try to get a couple of the brackets.  I will put that on my list.


David,

I've been racking my brain, but I've got nothing.  What do snap lines have to do with brackets?

thanks
Austin

If you go to a lumber supply yard, you can get "full 2 inch" hanger brackets!

Just have to remember to do that!

This thing is really starting to come together, wish I was closer!

Quote from: Chuck White on November 07, 2013, 09:30:17 PM
If you go to a lumber supply yard, you can get "full 2 inch" hanger brackets!

But be sure YOU measure them. Don't take the salesperson's word for it.

Just to keep it simple, I will go with factory sized lumber. 

My brotherinlaw passed a couple of years ago and my sister gave me his chain saw.  Craftsman 50cc with 20" bar.  From its condition, I think he used it once.  I filled it up and got it going.  Runs well but I think the chain needs to be sharpened.  Anyway, got one of the big oaks that has been on the ground for a couple of years, cut up.  It looks like it is in good shape.  If the other big one that is on the ground looks this good, I think I might be in good shape. 



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I still need to get some forks on the front of my little bucket before I try and move that thing. 

thanks
Austin

Place your bucket over the top of the log and throw a chain around each end. You can lift more this way than with forks if you don't have them. The log will be under the bucket where as it would be out in front of the bucket if you had forks attached to the bucket, which gives you more leverage underneath. bg

Ok, I picked up some chains.  I will give it a shot tonight or tomorrow. 

thanks
Austin

Those Oak logs look good.   :)

Austin,

That oak looks better than what I thought it would.  Good for you.

Glad to hear the saw is going.  You may want to take the chain with you and get a new chain or two.  It is always good to have a couple of sharp chains.  Check the size file needed to sharpen the chain and give it a try on your current chain. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PTXj1VIlbc   and  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79eCfwYpCGc

Allen

Yes, I'm pleased with the oak as well.  I'm hoping the other two look as good. 

I'm posting over in the chainsaw forum and getting help from them on maintaining the saw, making sure the chain is sharp, and having some replacement chains on hand.  Just gassed up and running, it did ok but not near as nice as Mike's spare limbing saw.  I haven't used a bunch of saws but it felt like it was dull.  After cleaning it up and getting it sharp, I will give it another try. 

thanks
Austin

As we near the time to actually set a date for the sawing, I am sure that we will need some labor help to handle logs, slabs, and lumber.  We are still probably 3-4 weeks away, but it is not too early to check your calendars.   ;D

Our expense contributions now total $3580 received and another $310 pledged.

If anyone has mailed me a check, etc. and have not gotten a confirmation from me, it is very important to please let me know.

MM, if you can use me I will be there. bg

Thanks Bill.  As we get closer to actually watching the weather and setting a date, we can see more clearly who is available.  School will keep the Grandsons from coming.

Also, we have to give Austin plenty of time to get those Oaks, etc. out and ready.  This is getting exciting.

dablack, I just happened across this thread last night. Here is wishing you and your family the very best of luck in the future. You have had enough bad luck for a lifetime. I can't come and help in person, but I sent MM a PM and will kick in a little something to help with the travel. There is a fine bunch of folks on FF, and I'm glad to do what I can to help out.

Larro

Thanks Larro,

I appreciate your kind words and help.

Austin

Had a good visit with Austin today, few more logs on the ground.  He has a very nice family.  I had to leave early so he will be working hard on bucking and stacking logs and (later) building.

Had a great time with Dennis Saturday.  He said 8am and showed up at 7:45 ready to work.  I think he drove up with his hardhat on and his saw in his lap.  I showed him where we were going to work and we were cutting trees by 8am.  Stuff was coming down with a quickness!  He was dropping them faster than I could limb them so I just started walking around behind him with the mini sledge and the wedges.  He would cut and then give me a look to throw in a wedge.  It worked great.....until we went for the big boy in the very corner of the property.  Sure enough, it got away from us and went over the barbwire and across the neighbor's driveway.  HA!  Neighbor and I are on great terms so it was no big deal.  He came down to open his gate so I could get the tractor in.  We had that huge tree cleared quick! 

We also found the limit of my little kubota.  That 2nd to last 8' was the max my little tractor could pick up.  We had the chains over the bucket so the log was under it and it was all I could do to get it off the ground.  I got it moved back to my property and put in the stack with the rest.  I'm going to have to drag the 12' butt log today or tomorrow. 

I need to count stumps but I think we felled 15 to 18 pines and the big standing dead oak.  I will limb them, buck them and put them in the stack.  Then I can see where I am.  I'm 99% sure we have enough for the cut list but we will see after the count. 

That big pine at the end wore us out so we were done at noon.  Went for some DQ and Dennis headed out after that.  It was a great day.  A little warm for Nov but it was cloudy and foggy so it wasn't too bad. 

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Austin

Hurray, I was hoping for a good report this morning.  Your report was good and more and that Oak will do fine !!!

This is exciting stuff.   :)

I'm really hoping to have enough oak for flooring.  Flooring and counter tops are a huge expense and getting those two things out of the trees will really help.

Now for the question.  What about sweetgum slabs for a counter top?  We have lots of HUGE sweetgums.  I know that once cut you really have to sticker it well and put lots of weight on it.  What about cutting it 10/4 and 12" wide?  Would that hold its shape well?  I don't really care how thick the slabs are as long as it doesn't twist too bad.  Of course at 12" wide, you are looking at two boards to make a full depth counter top.  What about 8" wide.  Would that help or hurt with the warping?  Would thicker be better?  3" thick?  So, what is the best way to cut sweetgum so it doesn't warp?  I think it would make a great countertop. 

Austin

sweetgum warps..period. Dries slowly. If the trees are big enough to quartersaw, that's the best way I've found to cut them. throw the center 4 or 5 inches in the burn pile. Two six inch slabs glued together will behave better than a 12 inch...

Yes, Sweetgum is pretty, but being so dense, I do not think that sawing it thicker would necessarily be better.  QS might be the answer ??

Our contributions now total $3700 with an additional $310 pledged. 

Sweetgum will vex you and break your heart. 

But if Austin wants to try it, I will saw it.   ;D

Quote from: pineywoods on November 18, 2013, 10:13:42 AM
sweetgum warps..period. Dries slowly. If the trees are big enough to quartersaw, that's the best way I've found to cut them. throw the center 4 or 5 inches in the burn pile. Two six inch slabs glued together will behave better than a 12 inch...

Quote from: WDH on November 18, 2013, 08:48:37 PM
Sweetgum will vex you and break your heart.

I've heard this since I joined the forum and it's killing me!  I have a 24+ DBH Sweetgum that will have to come down because of runway construction.  Seems to me that everybody says it will be a waste of time, and I don't have any to waste.  I've also heard it's not even the best firewood!  Anyway, didn't intend to hijack... sorry...

Quote from: Magicman on November 18, 2013, 09:29:06 PM
But if Austin wants to try it, I will saw it.   ;D

...but....but..... you hates it ::)

I hate the trees and how when you cut them down the roots don't rot.....they just grow another tree.  Anyway, if I had more easy to get to Oak, I wouldn't mess with it but I don't so......we will give it a shot.  I will document how I stack and sticker it.  We will all see what happens.  I've seen it turned into floor so it can't all be bad (famous last words)

Austin

It does not like to be glued up in wide panels unless it is quartersawn.  Quartersawn is not as delinquent. 

Quote from: WDH on November 19, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
It does not like to be glued up in wide panels unless it is quartersawn.  Quartersawn is not as delinquent.

Now there's a new thought.  Delinquent wood.        :D

Norm

Remember, we are dealing with sweetgum  ;D.

Quote from: Shotgun on November 19, 2013, 08:08:21 PM

Quote from: WDH on November 19, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
It does not like to be glued up in wide panels unless it is quartersawn.  Quartersawn is not as delinquent.

Now there's a new thought.  Delinquent wood.        :D

Norm

Old Saying.  ;D

Old guy saying it.  ;D

I don't consider David to be old!  I certainly don't consider you, Paul, to be old, especially since I'm the same age as you!  Now Magicman, he's OLD! a stately "older" gentleman!  I just pray I can move around like he does when I'm "older"!

I suppose I'll be stubborn too and attempt quartersawing my OLD sweetgum!

Found a good thread on sweetgum.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,10095.0.html

Might turn out ok if I weigh it down.

Ole man here.  ;)  I have sawed much Sweetgum for customers.  The intended use was for wall paneling and outside board and batten siding.  Problem is that I have never seen the finished product, but I have heard many times that it is a poor man's siding.  It will hold up very well as long as there is no spatter from rain runoff.  It's gotta be able to dry.  The wood colors are very nice.

My "Hates" for Sweetgum is as Austin described above.  It sprouts like the worst invasive species.  It and Pecan and Black Locust.   :-\

The Black Locust Everywhere Defense Fund objects to your defamation of their favorite species. Black locust is purty and don't rot. ;D

Quote from: grweldon on November 20, 2013, 07:47:14 AM
I don't consider David to be old!  I certainly don't consider you, Paul, to be old, especially since I'm the same age as you!  Now Magicman, he's OLD! a stately "older" gentleman!  I just pray I can move around like he does when I'm "older"!

I suppose I'll be stubborn too and attempt quartersawing my OLD sweetgum!

I was actually referring to WDH.
But now that you mention it, David is looking rather "geezery" lately.smiley_old_guy

Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on November 20, 2013, 05:38:24 PM

But now that you mention it, David is looking rather "geezery" lately.smiley_old_guy

I am very hard on my body. I stay up late, get up early, sniff saw dust, I'm a Sundropahaulic, and eat way to much red meat. I run my sawmill with all the safety panels off , stick my arm in the sawdust chute while the blade is sawing through a log and don't were ear plus or gloves.
Went for my check-up last week.....the Doc gave me 2 more weeks.  :D

 :D :D :D :D

Well, at least they'll be two REALLY GOOD weeks. :D  (Stay thirsty my friend)

Quote from: mesquite buckeye on November 20, 2013, 04:58:43 PMBlack locust is purty and don't rot. ;D 

You are very correct and I agree, but apparently you have never seen how they can completely take over open land that has good top soil.  Oops, I forgot to add Persimmon in the Hates group.  Same reason.   :-\

Don't get me going on Black locust.   What a pain to get ride of.   

Matt

I'd love to have some for split fencing.

Quote from: Magicman on November 20, 2013, 07:49:32 PM

Quote from: mesquite buckeye on November 20, 2013, 04:58:43 PMBlack locust is purty and don't rot. ;D 

You are very correct and I agree, but apparently you have never seen how they can completely take over open land that has good top soil.  Oops, I forgot to add Persimmon in the Hates group.  Same reason.   :-\

Elm is bad to take over also.

Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on November 20, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
I was actually referring to WDH.

I knew that  :).

Quote from: Magicman on November 20, 2013, 07:49:32 PM

Quote from: mesquite buckeye on November 20, 2013, 04:58:43 PMBlack locust is purty and don't rot. ;D 

You are very correct and I agree, but apparently you have never seen how they can completely take over open land that has good top soil.  Oops, I forgot to add Persimmon in the Hates group.  Same reason.   :-\

I've got about 5 acres of a run of black locust, which expands every year into the aforestation area. I am ok with that. With a little thinning, they make nice trees, and cherry trees pop up in the light shade beneath them. They also don't kill the cedars and walnuts will also grow with them. Black locust wood is better than teak for outdoor furniture or ship decking. I believe this tree has a future as a premium American wood. I still remember when mesquite was also hated junk. I don't buy the idea of junk trees. I think we just need to be more creative in what we use. But I like persimmons too, so go figure. America's ebony. And then there is clear cedar. And so it goes. ;D

Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on November 20, 2013, 07:54:40 PM
I'd love to have some for split fencing.

Too bad you are not closer. I have a lot of them that could use thinning. ;D

Black locust is a nitrogen fixer, too. 

"Elm is bad to take over also."

Only for a while, then it dies.

I've seen what sweetgum can do.  I have a patch, probably a 1/2 acre or so of nothing but sweetgum saplings, about an inch in diameter that is so thick you can't get into it.  It will have to be cut, then treated to prevent resprouting!  In that respect, I "hates" sweetgum also!

It is one of the worst to sucker from the roots if you fell the parent tree.  If you get to them quick enough, Garlon 4 in a 3% solution with water will nuke them. 

Just wanted to point out that the conversation went from sweet gum to old people back to sweet gum, then to black locusts and other invasive trees, and then back to sweet gum. I thought this thread was about helping Dablack build a house?  ;) :D :D :D

I don't think anybody has mentioned grits yet. ;D 8) 8) 8) :snowball:

Just another shot of what Dennis and I got done Saturday.  I'm standing up on the slab to take these pictures. 



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I had a scrap guy come by yesterday to see if he wanted the camper.  Looks like it isn't worth it.  I might have to get some junk tires on the rims and roll it out of the way and scrap it myself later. 

Concrete on the slab doens't look too bad.  There is the dark spot in the middle of the picture that is a big pit about 3/4 of an inch deep.  It has a bunch of pine straw around it.  The rest of the pits are smaller and not as deep. 



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I wouldn't even bother with the tires on the camper. Just have a friend with a larger tractor or dozer drag it 30' away from the house. Just my two cents.

Luckily, the slab is at the top of the hill so moving it away from the house shouldn't be too rough.  It is all down hill!  I've scrapped out cars before so it isn't a big deal.  I just don't have time to do it before everyone shows.  I was actually wanting to keep the 460/C6 combo out of it because they only have 55k miles on them.  I'm thinking now I will have the time to do that.  All the wiring is burned up but that engine is pretty easy to convert over to carb with new heads and a carb intake.  The trans is fine and shouldn't need anything.  Or I could just keep it as a spare for my 90 F250.  Same engine but different trans.  My F250 has the E4OD for the trans.  Gotta love overdrive.  I get 13 MPG!  HA!  I drive my truck to work at least once a week so I can just take a load of scrap everytime I go. 

Our old '90 Coachmen motorhome has the 460/E4OD combination and gets 18 MPG.  That is 9 going and 9 coming back.  9+9=18   ;D

Quote from: mesquite buckeye on November 21, 2013, 08:48:13 AM
I don't think anybody has mentioned grits yet. ;D 8) 8) 8) :snowball:

That all got started on page 5.

And hopefully ended on page 6 with Reply #104.   ;D

I guess I need to join the invasive trees guys.  ;D

I see what the OP means when he says it's pretty hard to go up there and look at the damage... I'm heartbroken just looking at a picture.

Dablack, you need to take that Kubota and shove that wreckage right down the hill with the FEL, then clear all them burned timbers away also. Getting yourself in a rebuilding frame of mind is a whole lot easier when there are no scars left from the past. smiley happysmiley

To answer another thought I had about countertops, have you done any research on poured concrete countertops? Wood is definitely nice but the poured concrete ones are all the rage now, and properly sealed, are much better with germs. A little bit more work, but that might save you some flooring ;D

Quote from: thecfarm on November 21, 2013, 08:52:09 PM
I guess I need to join the invasive trees guys.  ;D 

We have those.  You have plenty of invasive rocks to keep you busy.   :-\   :)

Outerbanxer,

I completely agree.  We need all that cleaned up and to start fresh.  One of the scrap guys called me back yesterday afternoon and said that he WAS interested and he was going to come up to the property after work today and pay me $100 and start getting it ready to pick up.  It is raining and will be raining for the next couple of days but he is all about it.  I think he is bringing some used wheels and tires.  I know it is worth way more than $100 in scrap but this way I don't have to do anything.  Plus if he takes too long I can just shove it down the hill and he can work on it there. 

Yes, I have looked into concrete countertops.  I actually have a book on it.  If we don't have enough oak or sweetgum, that will be the way I go for sure. 

thanks
Austin

Hopefully,we can QS the Sweetgum.  Am I going to enjoy sawing this job ???   :)

You used "Sweetgum" and "Enjoy" in the same post  :D.

Quote from: WDH on November 22, 2013, 11:27:44 PM
You used "Sweetgum" and "Enjoy" in the same post  :D.

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

I am going to enjoy sawing everything that Austin has.   :)

OK, we have set a sawing date.  wwsjr and Marty and I will travel Sunday Dec. 8th and be ready to start sawing Monday morning, Dec. 9th.

Anyone that can/will make the trip to help with logs/lumber please make your plans and notify me as soon as possible.  We do already have a couple of members that have previously volunteered, but now is the time to firm everything up.

Any contribution pledges that have not been mailed, now would be the time to do so.  Of course I will acknowledge each of them by PM as soon as they are received.

Sure great that you are taking the time and making the effort to getRdun.
I'm sure this is a real bite out of your plans, what with the delays in sawing and Pat's nurse time and all.
Thanks for stepping up and planning to make this happen.

If funds run low, I sure hope you will let us know. Would be easy to add some more to the coffers and will be glad to do it.

Suspect you meant Sunday the 8th and Monday the 9th. ;)

Quote from: beenthere on November 23, 2013, 08:21:37 PMSuspect you meant Sunday the 8th and Monday the 9th. ;)

Yes I did and thank you for correcting me. (I edited it)

Pat was looking forward to making the trip with us, (and I am still hoping that she can).  Being on nurse duty this week has put me a hitch behind, so maybe I can knock those out during the first week in Dec.

The contributions have shown the heart of the FF.  Everyone can not make the trip but contributing has allowed everyone to have an opportunity to share in this effort.  All contributed funds will go toward helping Austin and his family in some way.

This is a contribution update:  Total contributions received is:   $3850.  Pledges not received:  $610.

If there is anyone that might be available to help, the sawing is scheduled for the week beginning Monday, Dec. 9th.

Lynn, Just completed a major project in Corpus Christi, and have been following this thread hoping I would be available the 9th. Every thing is set now, and I would like to be there for the sawing. dablack is located about an hour and a half from me. Could you pm me the directions, and any thing else I could bring to assist in this very worthwhile project. I can still tote a few boards!   Andy

Wonderful Andy !!!

We will all need some driving instructions from dablack.  I will be coming in on Hwy 84 and wwsjr will be coming South from Tyler.

Great, Good driving instructions with a map would be handy. bg

Dablack, can you post some hotels/motels close by? bg

The only hotel in Rusk is:  http://www.westoninntexas.com/

In Jacksonville there is just about anything you can think of.  Jacksonville is about 25 minutes north of me. 

As for driving directions, I'm pretty easy to find. 

Coming from Rusk (just north of me):  Take Highway 69 south out of town.  About 6 miles south of town, take a right on FM 241.  I'm 1.9 miles down FM 241 on the right.  Street number 3303. 

Coming from Alto (just south of me):  Take highway 69 north out of town.  About 10 miles north of town, take a left on FM 241.  I'm 1.9 miles down FM 241 on the right.  Street number 3303.

We normally have the gate locked but it will be open while everyone is here. 

Can't wait to meet everyone. 

thanks
Austin

Put some "orange" flagging out so everyone can find you easier.

 :)  Orange could indicate that da Wood-Mizers are a coming, but this is not a WM event.  This is a Forestry Forum event, and what an event it is and will be.   smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup

The pledges not received bumped up to $810 today.   :)

Use blue than. ::)  Or red,or yellow,or green. Don't matter the color,just would make it easier to find.  :)

isn't his mill pink? :)

Austin
Is this your gate?


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Do we have any sign makers aboard the forum?
Just wondering if any of our talented membership could kick out a sign with the Forestry Forum Logo that could be placed at the end of the driveway.

                                                                                          WADAYA THINK??

I'll gladly mail the sign Raider had made for our redwood log sawing in 2007.
Would need to overlook the line that says Wisconsin Chapter, but otherwise would be glad to share.

The sign hangs to the left of this crew of redwood sawyers using the Peterson mill.



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Just made reservations at the mentioned motel. Good prices. Check the web site for phone number. bg

Quote from: Magicman on November 25, 2013, 06:13:45 PM
The pledges not received bumped up to $810 today.   :) 

The pledges not received bumped up to $810 $1010 today.   :)  :)

Quote from: beenthere on November 25, 2013, 06:47:26 PM
Austin
Is this your gate?


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Yes, that is my gate..........kinda creepy that people can do that......

Anyway, now there is a mailbox on the left side of the picture that says, 3303. 

Looking forward to meeting everyone
Austin

Quote.kinda creepy that people can do that.

Agree, and I'll remove it if you would like me too. Or at least can do after the event.  ;)

Google and google map gives off entirely too much info IMO. Thought in this case those arriving might appreciate it.

If you want me to mail the sign, PM me an address and I'll get it out. Should fit in a tube less than 3' long.

I'm going to see about a sign locally.  It would cost about the same to make one as it would to mail that one.  Let me see what I can do and get back to you if I do end up needing that one. 

Don't worry about the google map image.  I have my position on the map in my profile.  Anyone can pull that up. 

thanks
Austin

I looked on Google and saw a building that it looked like was being built. The rafters show. One laying out to the side. Is this your place Austin? bg

QuoteI'm going to see about a sign locally.  It would cost about the same to make one as it would to mail that one.  Let me see what I can do and get back to you if I do end up needing that one. 

Jeff may have some ideas what he wants or can help with for the sign making. Expect he has the final say as to using the FF logo and you can work that out with him. And you likely have good ideas as well.  8)

Quote from: Bill Gaiche on November 25, 2013, 10:13:39 PM
I looked on Google and saw a building that it looked like was being built. The rafters show. One laying out to the side. Is this your place Austin? bg

Yes, that is the place that burned.  The RV was parked on the east side of the building.  You can also see my little Kubota parked out front.  About 25 yards away to the east you can see the little triangle trusses laying in the grass.  If I went back and looked at my pictures, I could tell you when the sat. pic was taken.  Also, something funny.....I had just gotten the tractor and I was just trying out the brush hog all over the property.  I mowed a little around the build site and then just sort of took off.  You can see all the wavy trails I made!

Austin

Thanks. Now I know what to look for. 353 miles according to google to your place from mine. Already made reservations at the motel you listed. See you later. bg

Quote from: dablack on November 25, 2013, 11:30:03 PMI mowed a little around the build site and then just sort of took off.  You can see all the wavy trails I made!   Austin

smiley_dizzy  Thankfully you were not drunk.   :D

Reservation made at Weston Inn. It appears my best/fastest route is Hwy 69 South from I20/Tyler. I plan to be on site by mid afternoon on Dec 8th. Should be about 8 1/2 hrs. Looking forward to meeting Forum members I have not met before.

Willie

You guys are amazing.  There will have to be a person with the sole job of taking pictures. ;D

I am working in the deep south:D( just northeast of San Diego "Brawley Ca." it's near the Arizona/California line and close to Mexico) , I may be able to get away for a about a week during the event schedule, Flying is no doubt the best option along with a rental car. It's always good to see if anyone else from this general area is heading that way and would like to split the fuel or work out any kind of a deal?. I am able to meet up at any relatively close point of departure and share expenses or use my rig if needed. Let me know if any of you has a similar trip planned to the goodwill roadtrip/sawing event and we can hook up or meet and share expenses. I'm at this point not absolutely sure of my schedule and wanted to check with the group to see if any one is driving to the event and willing to share expenses.

Quote from: Magicman on November 26, 2013, 08:50:39 AM

Quote from: dablack on November 25, 2013, 11:30:03 PMI mowed a little around the build site and then just sort of took off.  You can see all the wavy trails I made!   Austin

smiley_dizzy  Thankfully you were not drunk.   :D

In that condition I would have tried to write my name in the 5' tall weeds.   A plus would have been not minding all the sneezing.   I hope it never gets that high again!

How about this for a banner.

18" x 54"



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What does everyone think of that.  I haven't ordered it yet.  I can still make changes. 

Austin

 :)  We are looking forward to getting this Roadtrip underway.

I ran the numbers concerning bringing the RV vs lodging at a motel and it was a wash.  Our plans now are to stay at the Weston Inn where Bill & Willie will be staying.

That makes it even easier.  I had it in my list of things to do to check that 30amp RV hook up.  It was about 40 ft from the fire.......  I turned that whole panel off.  One less thing to do. 

Also, there is only so much room at the top of that hill.  Without the RV there, we should have plenty of room to saw and stack.  I'm thinking of picking up some used pallets to stack the wood on.  Good plan? 

Austin

Quote from: dablack on November 27, 2013, 11:19:59 AM
How about this for a banner.

18" x 54"



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What does everyone think of that.  I haven't ordered it yet.  I can still make changes. 

Austin

Looks very good. smiley_thumbsup

Yes on the pallets.

I may have room to bring some dry stickers, not sure how many, but maybe enough to start stacking.

Willie

Ok, I went ahead and ordered the banner.  It is SUPPOSED to be here Saturday the 7th.  We will see. 

Willie,
Stickers would be great.  I also have a big stack of 1x3s but they are all burned on the end but I think the ones on the inside of the stack might be ok.  HA! 

thanks
Austin

Good and bad news.  The little craftsman chainsaw my brother in law left me had something wrong with it.  I might be able to fix it later but I just don't have time right now.  I fought with it every time I used it and I really wasn't getting much done.  Today at lunch I finally went and picked up another saw.  I picked up a little poulan at home depot ($139).  I know it isn't a keep forever saw but it works 100% better than what I had.  I got to sawing around 4:30 today and got five or six trees limbed and bucked by 5:45 (too dark to work).  I'm very pleased with the way it cut.  I should be done bucking and limbing tomorrow before lunch.  Friday I can move all the logs to the pile.   8)

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

Quote from: GDinMaine on November 26, 2013, 10:39:53 AM
You guys are amazing.  There will have to be a person with the sole job of taking pictures. ;D

I second designating someone on picture taking, also video if possible. Afterwards, I would be happy to put them all into a slide show, or video montage for everyone to enjoy.

It's just 10 days away !!!  I am still hoping that Pat will be able to make the trip. 

I plan to bring my poly banding and tools. Makes stacks easier to move, if needed, and helps as the lumber is drying. I like to stack, sticker, and band as it comes off mill if possible.

Willie

The contributions received now total $4460 with an additional $435 pledged and not received.   8)  8)

A few of pledges concern me because they are now over 6 weeks old.  My concern is only if they have been mailed and I did not receive them.  I have promptly acknowledged each contribution by either PM or email.  I understand the recently mailed contributions, but if you mailed one weeks ago and have not received an acknowledgement from me, please let me know.

The response to this project has been nothing short of amazing.  Sixty-seven individuals have made contributions or pledges.  Some are not even FF members and some members that have never made a post.  Each contributor is just as much a part of this project as anyone else, and everyone is joining together to make it successful.

We are now 10 days away from making sawdust.   :)

This is amazing thus far. Its been a thrill to me to see that people can come together and give a family a start for a new home. bg

Magicman,  My neighbor down the road, that has been helping me with my mill would like to come with me for a day or two when we start sawing. Says he can tote a few boards with the rest of us! I told him that the help would be welcomed, but I wanted to check with you to make sure. Thanks,     Andy

No need to check with me, just bring him.  He will enjoy it so much that he probably will pay his own Chiropractor bill.   ;D

I would love to be able to share all of the notes, PM's, & emails that I have gotten concerning this project.  I know that I have mentioned the word "Heart" many times, but that is the only word that I can think of to describe the way this has touched so many FF members.  And it is really only beginning.   :)

Let's not forget the Forestry Forum for some donations, as without the Forum this activity would not be in its formulative stage now and have all the pent up potential for a huge success. Just sayin...   ;D

And many thanks for the Magicman..for offering and undertaking the challenge.

Lynn, Andy, Willie, Bill,....

Mike, my wife, and I are planning on meeting you all up at Rusk.  I may be old, but I still plan on learning from you all.

Austin, do you think it would be helpful if we brought the little tractor?  Saws?  Looking forward to seeing you and the family again.

Stickers, there are a few five foot logs south of the stacks that were meant for stickers until the edging produces enough. 

Allen

I just got my Fall/Winter 2013 copy of Wood-Mizer Way ...  I just want to say Congratulations again to the Goodwill AND People's Choice Award winner.  Well done, Sir!   smiley_clapping

It's an honor to know the answer to the conclusion of the first article: "As for Lynn's next goodwill project, he says, 'I'm on the ready.'"  He certainly is, and a certain family in Rusk, TX has got to be mighty grateful.

Quote from: ARp on November 29, 2013, 09:43:01 PM

Austin, do you think it would be helpful if we brought the little tractor?  Saws?  Looking forward to seeing you and the family again.

Stickers, there are a few five foot logs south of the stacks that were meant for stickers until the edging produces enough. 

Allen

Allen, you calling your tractor little means mine is tiny.   Ha!   I've got most everything limbed and bucked.   I think my tractor should be able to move everything.   There is one 12 footer butt log from a monster that Dennis took down that I'm going to have to drag drag.  I can pick the end of it but not the whole thing.   We will see how it goes tomorrow.  All these logs are about 100 yards from the pile so it shouldn't take long. 
As far as needing one while cutting, I think we will be ok.   I just don't know.   I have done zero cutting so I will leave that to your discretion. 

Thanks
Austin

Since I will be traveling into two different states, I am hesitant to use a SMV triangle on the rear of the sawmill.  I am also hesitant to travel without something to alert overtaking drivers that the sawmill sticks out in the back and has reduced depth perception.  That meant that it was time to make a reflective caution sign to attach to the rear outrigger.  I secured a used utility sign, cut it into a rectangle, and used 3M reflective orange tape to form diagonal lines.   


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Since the old sign was reflective white, it worked OK.  I made two of the stripes wider to cover old graphics.


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I can still use my flasher when traveling at night.  Yup, I didn't get all of the blue covered, but it reflects too.   ;D

MM:
You are probably the only one with a dual use rear outrigger.  Gerald

Lynn,

Be aware that it is illegal to drive with hazard flashers activated in a number of states.  It appears to be OK in Mississippi and Texas but it is not permitted in Louisiana.

I apologize for highjacking this thread with this distraction about the sawmill sign.  I also heard from another member that adding anything to the back of the sawmill that was not OEM could possible be legally used as an indicator that the OEM lights, etc. were substandard.  Anyway, I will leave it here for now, but hopefully the subject discussion will be reserved for a future thread.  Thank you for understanding.   :)

I just do not want anything to distract us from the OP and intent of this thread.  We leave for Rusk, Tx. one week from today.   8)   8)

Magicman,
You should call the State Police in each state you'll be driving in, and ask what the rules are in their state. As it was so gently pointed out to me by a trooper in the "great state of Texas", it is your responsibility to know the laws where you are driving. Many things are left to the discretion of the officer.
Good luck, and God speed on your journey.

Andy

One week from today we will be sawing.

The long range weather forecast shows that the rains will have moved through by then.   8)

Moved logs from 1pm to 6pm yesterday.  Still not done!  Those oak 8'ers are heavy.  One of the oaks gave me two 8's and one 6'er.  That 6'er is much easier to move.  Didn't get pics.  I was using the headlights on the tractor by the time I was done.  Then I remembered work was today so I changed the oil in the car.  I was a little late in doing it........    No fun changing oil on gravel.  The shop jack sank about as much as it lift the car.  HA!  Changed the oil on the tractor too. 

Maybe I will get some pics tonight after work.  I still have three 8' oaks to move and at least another 10 or so 8' pines.

One the last oaks I was moving was just too heavy.  I was having trouble dragging it.  It was really knobby so I went and got the saw to cut all the knobs off.  Saw wouldn't start.  I had been using it on and off all day.  It wasn't warm enough to crank without the choke and too hot for the choke to work right.  HA!  I yanked on it for a while and then went in.  You gotta know when to stop.  I probably flooded it.  I will try again after work. 

Remember that Allen (ARp) asked about bringing his tractor next week.  All of the logs do not have to be staged before we get there.  Logs can be moved while we are sawing.  Also, the sawmill can be moved to the log.

Don't use up all of your "goody" 'cause we will need you next week.   :D

This is getting more exciting, and will wish I could be there.

From the sounds of the project, likely a second tractor will be very useful to keep material moving to and from the sawing. Keeping MM in his seat can be a goal... 

Forks and a bucket handy should be minimum attachments.

Ok, yall convinced me.  I will PM Allen and accept his kind offer.  I was already thinking that way.  Yesterday as time grew short, I just went around and grabbed all the butt logs.  I figured most of the wood would come from those anyway.  I know we have enough logs in the stack to last multiple days of sawing.  With Allen's tractor, he could move the rest of the logs on the ground in one hour. 

I still need to clean up around the site so I will focus on that and leave the log moving to bigger tractors. 

thanks
Austin

Austin,   May be a little early, but are you going to let the lumber dry any length of time, or will you start framing right away? If scheduling allows, I may have some time to assist with some of that as well. Getting ready for Monday! Will be nice to put names with faces.   Andy

Hey Andy,

It will be a sort of forced dry time.  Basically, we aren't going to be to buy the I-joists until we get the tax return.  I don't see a point in framing the walls and then letting them sit in the weather.  I will submit the tax return as early as possible, then I will know what my return will be.  Then I will order the I-joists and will then know when they will be delivered.  At that point, I will start framing the walls knowing that about the time I'm done, the I joists will coming in and I will be ready for them. 

What I haven't taken care of yet is what to put on top of the stacks.  I'm going to have to find or buy some tin.  I'm open to other ideas as well. 

NOTE:  I used to work with an Andy White and a Matt Green.  We all sat in the same area.  We said we were being segregated.......

thanks
Austin Black

A good source for wood stack covering (lumber or firewood) is the metal from an old above ground pool. Do you know anyone that has taken one down recently?

Quote from: dablack on December 02, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
NOTE:  I used to work with an Andy White and a Matt Green.  We all sat in the same area.  We said we were being segregated.......

thanks
Austin Black

Wow, this thread is getting really colorful!!

Pete BROWN

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Quote from: giant splinter on December 02, 2013, 12:53:58 PM
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question? 

Will the festivities still be going on Wednesday the 11th?
Thanks!

JAOGWASM,

Welcome to the forum.  Originally Lynn said it would take 3 or 4 days to cut.  Since we also have an edger coming it may take less.  I'm just not sure.  I'm taking vacation the 9th through the 12th and half a day the 13th.  That is all the vacation I have left so.......    If it takes less time than that, then I won't use all my vacation.  If it takes more than that, I will be shocked.  So, basically, I'm not answering your question at all.  Sorry.

Austin

I am sure we will still be there on Wed, 11 Dec. Not sure how many BF on final cut list. Did a little maintenance on edger today, should be ready to go. I reserved my motel room thru Fri nite if needed.

Willie

I sure wished I would have been able to attend this as well, but due to recovery from hand surgery I will not be able to attend.

Quote from: kilgrosh on November 29, 2013, 10:06:45 AM

Quote from: GDinMaine on November 26, 2013, 10:39:53 AM
You guys are amazing.  There will have to be a person with the sole job of taking pictures. ;D

I second designating someone on picture taking, also video if possible. Afterwards, I would be happy to put them all into a slide show, or video montage for everyone to enjoy.

I've been trying to talk the wife into coming with me to help take pics. I have a video camera as well as digital cameras, not new but they get the job done. I plan to be there on Sat. evening or Sunday. Would really lilke to get pics of the members rolling in with the equipment. Or if anyone else has suggestions on what should be captured I'm flexable.

Welcome JAOGWASM, to the Forestry Forum.   :)  My only answer is that we are going to saw until we finish.

Quote from: beenthere on December 02, 2013, 10:11:36 AM
This is getting more exciting,

I too am getting excited.  I was able to talk with Jeff on the phone this afternoon and yes, I did mention this sawing trip.   ;D

I have a road trip sawing job tomorrow and then rain is forecast here for the remainder of the week.  The forecast looks good in Texas at least for the first of next week.   smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup

It may be a little cool down there. But thats good to some degree. Supposed to be 8 degrees here Saturday morning and chance of some sleet or rain thursday and a chance of snow Friday. Just will wait and see what really happens. bg

Ok, I ran up to the top of the hill when I got home and got some pictures. 


Here is one of the oaks that has been on the ground for a while.  The cut facing the camera is right above the stump.  Does that blue indicate metal?  Looks like an owl's face.

   

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This next picture you can see how much the 8'er stack has grown.  You can tell from the color of the cut ends what has been there for a while and what is new. 



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We have three stacks going.  The north stack (barely visable on the far right of the next pictures) is all 16'ers and those are the ones Allen and Mike cut and moved (I limbed a little).  The middle stack is for three 12 footers, some butt log 8'ers and the oak that I was able to move.  The south stack is the one on the left of the picture and is all 8'ers. 



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The next pictures is from the opposite side.  North stack is on the left. 



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Also, I'm still having problems moving that RV.  My little kubota can't budge it.  I'm going to jack it up, put the trans in N and then try to push it with the tractor again or pull it with my 90 F250.  It doesn't HAVE to be moved but I would like for it to be a little more out of the way.  After that I will be cleaning up where the stacked lumber is going. 

thanks
Austin

Yea, there is a real good chance there is some iron in that log. I'd bet on it.

Think,i would set them aside and mill them last.....am

Well Magicman He is making a wack of logs. :D 8) 8)

Yup, Peter, you are right.  Austin is gonna make me "put up" because it's too late to "shut up".

That owl face has a bad case of East Texas Ferrous Oxide Flu.

I sawed my last job BT (before Texas) today.   ;D

This is an update on the expense contributions.  I have now received $4555 and have pledges for an additional $310 for a total of $4955.  In this instance, the need is too great for there ever to be too much.  The outpouring has been awesome, and hopefully this project will touch others to see the need to make a contribution.

I mentioned in another thread in the General Board about my opinion that the Heart of the Forestry Forum was the members.  Let us not forget that without the Sustaining Life Blood that Jeff provides, this heart would quit beating.  This project would have gone unknown to all of us here.  There would not be any sawing in Texas next week.

It has been mentioned about matching contributions going to benefit and help sustain the Forestry Forum.  Let this be an item for consideration by each of us as we watch this project continue to develop and as we move into this Christmas Season.

Well the old burned up RV will NOT move even with the trans in N.  I don't know if the brakes are locked up or what.  The tires are gone on the passenger side.  It won't really be in the way but I just really wanted it moved.  Later I will get some used tires for it and get it out of the way for the rebuild. 

I did find a great source of pallets, so we are good there. 

Today I will be cleaning up in front of the slab so we will have a place to put the pallets and stack lumber.  The rest of this week it will probably be raining. 

I'm also going to get a burn pile going up there so we will have some heat when we start Monday morning. 

Looking forward to seeing everyone,

Austin

Austin, if the guys bring the bigger tractor that might do it. Weather will start to get bad here tomorrow as this storm will be moving in. Ice and snow is forecasted all the way down your way thru Sunday. Hope that all goes well in order to get there Sunday. Hope everyone else makes it ok also. bg

I had one sawmill tire that was getting long in the tooth and short in the tread, so I switched it out with the new spare today.  I got the bottle jack out and then thought about the FAO.  Maybe if I moved the sawhead to the front the outrigger might get the tire off of the ground.


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Yup, nothing to it.  Just crank the outrigger down and up came the tire.

MM, have you got chains for those tires? Hope you don't have a hard time getting there also wwsjr. bg

You be careful too my Friend.  We will all be driving through nasty weather and road conditions Sunday.

I do have chains for all 4 tires on the F250, but I do not see that I will need them.

Your jacks are not the same as mine. you have a pin I have a lever I pull up and step down on them to set them then turn the top to where I want, I think I like yours better. I'll get a pic.

Yup, the bottom section has multiple holes to accommodate for uneven terrain.  The front FAO does not have a hole mid way and needs to take a trip to the drill press.  Just haven't gotten a "roundtuit".

dablack,
Do you know any wreckers or tow truck guys nearby? I might offer them a trade (wood, food, etc.) for helping you move your RV. Another option is a simple sled. Place plywood or metal sheets under the wheels (old truck hoods work too) and try to tow/push it out of the way on them. Just a thought...

Good luck to everyone on the driving this weekend.

The drive shaft may need disconnecting.  If the JD will not move it, then we will get a wrecker if necessary.  That old RV will not win this fight.    :snowball:

OH the RV has only won for the time being.  I will jack it up later, remove the driveshaft, make sure the rear axle will spin and give it a go.  The two tires on the back left are still good so i will use the outer one to put on the passenger side.  I will pull two wheels off my 90 F250 and put those on the front of the RV.  That will make it a roller again.  It doesn't have to be moved right now.  I just wanted it out of the way. 

Last night I got the area in front of the slab cleaned up.  Made two little fires (didn't want a huge one) and started burning.  I had tons of cut offs and OSB bits.  My five year old son hung out with me up there until momma had dinner ready.  She brought it up to me.  So the lumber stacking area is now cleaned up. 

Austin

Austin, do you have forks for your tractor? bg

No, no forks on my tractor.  Just the FEL.  I was going to bolt on some 2" angle iron for some quicky cheater forks but just haven't had the time.  There aren't a lot of option for a B2620 Kubota. 

Austin

I have a checklist and am gradually getting the items crossed off.  After yesterday, the sawmill is ready, and I got the fuel, sawblade, and lube items done this morning.  The coffee, hot chocolate, and other refreshment items are done.  About all that is left to pack is my clothes and they are already laying out.

I am about half way down my checklist. I loaded a flat box of new 10° blades. Pulled edger out, as always with a "trailer", I had to replace one tail/turn/brake light. Wally World had just what I needed. Should be finished with all loading except for clothes today. Rain and freezing rain predicted tomorrow, trying to finish outside work today. Looks the ice storm will be north of our travel route.

I am loving the forecast for next week:

Monday Mostly cloudy, with a high near 40.
Monday Night Mostly cloudy, with a low around 27.
Tuesday Mostly sunny, with a high near 43.
Tuesday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 30.
Wednesday Sunny, with a high near 48.
Wednesday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 33.
Thursday Mostly sunny, with a high near 51

Looking good. Several layers for early morning will be the way to go. Maybe a slab fire to warm hands. Hope wind chill will not be a factor.

I just read this thread, and was thinking if your lumber tally/ logs was still a little short, sweetgum has been used for rafters and lats.  I know how people feel about sweetgum, but if you saw and stack it and it comes out straight it'll stay that way. ;)  And sweetgum makes a stout roof. :)  I've never sawed any sweetgum for furniture, but as pretty as some boards look, I've always wanted to try using it for a table too.

Just a reminder on directions since it has been a few pages since then:

Coming from Rusk (just north of me):  Take Highway 69 south out of town.  About 6 miles south of town, take a right on FM 241.  I'm 1.9 miles down FM 241 on the right.  Street number 3303. 

Coming from Alto (just south of me):  Take highway 69 north out of town.  About 10 miles north of town, take a left on FM 241.  I'm 1.9 miles down FM 241 on the right.  Street number 3303.

We normally have the gate locked but it will be open while everyone is here.

Quote from: Rockn H on December 06, 2013, 11:11:24 AM
I just read this thread, and was thinking if your lumber tally/ logs was still a little short, sweetgum has been used for rafters and lats.  I know how people feel about sweetgum, but if you saw and stack it and it comes out straight it'll stay that way. ;)  And sweetgum makes a stout roof. :)  I've never sawed any sweetgum for furniture, but as pretty as some boards look, I've always wanted to try using it for a table too.

I've got tons of pine.  I don't think we will be short there at all.  I'm more concerned with the oak.  Allen isn't sure if he is going to be able to be there or not so I don't know if we will have access to a big tractor.  Plus, I'm not sure if the oak we have down on the ground will be enough for the flooring.  I have found one or two more standing dead white oaks in the forest.  They arne't nearly as big around as the ones I have already bucked but they are tall and at least 14" diameter.  I might fell them tomorrow and see if I can pull them out with my truck.  It won't be easy.  We will see.  It is going to be pretty sloppy out in my fields and woods.  I might fell them and have to wait until Tuesday to pull them out.  If Allen can't come up, I will still need to move the others as well. 

The banner is supposed to be here tomorrow. 
Can't wait to see everyone,
Austin

I have everything loaded except my clothes.  :o  I know that I will remember them because it will be too cold to streak.  electricuted-smiley

I am glad I loaded everything but clothes yesterday. It has been raining since before daylight. Temp now is 38° and falling, nasty outside. Edger ready to hook up and hit the road.

Quote from: Magicman on December 06, 2013, 08:01:33 AM
I am loving the forecast for next week:

Just a tad on the cool side for me, but still good sawing weather (it's -17°C here today -- that's +1°F).

I saw until the snow shuts me down or the temperature drops to -10°C, or 14°. Here's some clothing tips for gold weather sawing. You may already know about most of this stuff but there may be some useful ideas in here.

Gloves! Lots of gloves. I buy lined, leather palm gloves with cotton backs for really cold weather. If those aren't available, you can double up -- thin cotton gloves inside thicker leather gloves. The outer gloves should be a bit loose. I don't have accuset but I operate all the regular controls with my thick, lined gloves. I always have several pair on hand in case it's raining or the wood is wet or covered with snow.

Pay attention to your feet. While you're concentrating on a job your brain doesn't "notice" how cold your feet are getting -- until your toes are really cold. In winter or wet weather I use the Dunlop boots that oil rig workers prefer. They're made of a thick, microfoam synthetic rubber that offers reasonably good insulation. You'll want extra socks on hand -- if your feet get damp, wet socks will suck the heat out quickly.

Lacking good thermal boots, you can also wear ankle-high rubber boots over conventional shoes. That'll give you an insulating layer of air that makes a big difference.

I have lined jeans for this kind of weather. If I'm caught short I wear my chainsaw chaps over my regular jeans.

I have several layers of clothing for my upper body, that I mix and match as the need arises. I always have a couple of base layers -- T-shirt under a denim shirt. In the kinds of temperature you're looking at, be prepared to change your layers as the day gets warmer.
I wear a heavy turtleneck sweater under a lined Carhart coat when the weather is below freezing. As things (or me) warm up, I'll ditch the sweater and replace it with a lined vest. Later I might ditch the vest and just wear the coat. And on occasion I'll end up down to my shirtsleeves.

The thing I have to watch out for with layering is that I don't start to work up a sweat as the day gets warmer. That just sucks the heat out as soon as I slow down.

I also have a couple of sets of rain gear -- pants and jacket, with a hood. My preferred set is a woven plastic material. It sheds water for several hours in a steady rain, but eventually gets damp on the inside. The upside is that it doesn't trap my sweat. My other set is vinyl and it sheds however much rain nature throws my way, but it also traps heat and sweat.

I find a ball cap with earmuff style hearing protectors is all I need for headgear. If I had to rely only on earplugs for hearing protections I'd definitely be looking for a hat to cover my ears.

Good luck to everyone.

Quote from: dablack on December 06, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
Just a reminder on directions since it has been a few pages since then:

Coming from Rusk (just north of me):  Take Highway 69 south out of town.  About 6 miles south of town, take a right on FM 241.  I'm 1.9 miles down FM 241 on the right.  Street number 3303. 

Coming from Alto (just south of me):  Take highway 69 north out of town.  About 10 miles north of town, take a left on FM 241.  I'm 1.9 miles down FM 241 on the right.  Street number 3303.

We normally have the gate locked but it will be open while everyone is here.

Will you have the sign up?

If the sign comes in on Saturday like it is supposed to, then yes.  It will be on the fence right beside the gate.  I'm hoping to have some orange cones out or something similar as well. 

Really though, I'm easy to find.  1.9 miles down FM 241.  Box number 3303. 
You might pass 3 or 4 boxes before you get to mine.  Everyone out there has 30 acres so there aren't many mailboxes. 

Magic, wwsjr, and others that are showing up on Sunday.  What is your ETA?  It doesn't really matter but I'm hoping to take my son to lunch for his birthday.  If everyone is coming in around noon, it is no big deal.  I can take him later, just wanting to know so I can plan my day and know when to expect people.

thanks
Austin

If weather is ok, no ice, I plan to leave by 6:00A, Should be there 2:00 to 3:00P if everything goes OK.

Yesterday we had some sleet and last night and this morning we had snow. We had 4" at 10:00am and it quit. Highways have been plowed but snow packed and slushy in areas. The roads will not be the best to make good time.  A chance of a little snow Sunday morning. Plan on leaving around 8am. Don't know what time I will be there, depends on road condition. Hope to be there about 3pm. bg

Marty and I are leaving at 9:00 which should put us there somewhere between 2:00 & 3:00.  It looks like we will all arrive at about the same time.  Imagine that.   :)

Austin, I'll be leaving Brookeland about 5.30 am Monday, and should be there around 7.00 am. The crew should be in full swing about daylight. See you then, and if you need anything before then, let me know.    Andy

I wish i was not so darn far away. I sawed all day yesterday and today thinking about your venture. I wish you all good weather and good sawing. Have some fun too, and you all be careful.  Ernie

Best of luck to all  8) 8)

Is Pat up to making the trip with you?  Havn't had an update for a while.

Thank you for asking.  No, unfortunately Pat will not be able to make the trip, and she is not happy.  When this project was first put into motion, she started making plans. 

Her sciatic nerve is still waking up and sorting itself out.  Sometimes her foot or toes hurt, then at other times they are numb or tingling.  Her exercise includes only walking and leg lifts.   It's just too early to push her situation.

Lynn, are you going to wrap your sawhead and control panel in plastic, I know traveling with the big tarp will severely affect your MPG's.

I think it would be good to wrap it, even with a blue tarp and secure with twine/rope and bungy's and duct tape and still not affect MPG's too much!

Remember that ice covered pic of his mill that Jeff posted a while back!

Chuck,  I have individual covers for each item.


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I cinch them tight for traveling.

Lynn,

Best guess on how many pallets I will need?  I think I have 10 right now.  Another load will give me another 8.   

Thoughts?

Austin

I have never used pallets but off hand I would say get the additional 8.  We want to sticker the lumber according to dimension and length.

Most pallets are 3 1/3' to 4' square. 8' and 10' stacks will take 2 pallets each, 12' to 16' will take 3 pallets. Plus you will probably want to separate out the oak from the pine, so that will take 3 more. Definitely grab at least another 8.

I've been looking at the weather in Dallas area. Not good and I would have to drive through that area. Believe it better to keep safe and stay home.

Sorry, but I won't be taking pics.

leroy
Tomorrow 40° and all/any ice will be gone. ;)

I have done the last minute loading today and Marty will come over later with his clothes.

Two more checks came today which brings our total contributions received to $4750, and $235 pledges not received.  This is an awesome response and each contributor is just as much a part of this sawing effort as those actually making the trip.  I offer my congratulations and hand of friendship to each of you that have lifted the financial burden and helped to make this project a success. 

Guys, I am a few miles north of and about halfway of your route across I-20.
As of 6pm sat, there is no ice or snow here. The temp is below freezing, has been all day, but the roads are dry. If that situation changes over nite, the most likely place where you might encounter ice is the ouachita river bridge in monroe. The approach ramp is elevated and a bit steep.

Godspeed, If there was any way, I would be with you...

Doesn't WM caution against travelling with the cover on the mill?

wwsjr will be traveling I20.  Marty and I will travel Hwy 84 from Brookhaven to Alexandria, take I49N. and then catch Hwy 84 again to Rusk.

The full head cover is not rated for hwy travel.  The individual covers are.

Quote from: beenthere on December 07, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
leroy
Tomorrow 40° and all/any ice will be gone. ;)

I wish.   The weather man is the only one I know of that can be wrong over 50% of the time and still keep his job.  :D  Safe travels everyone.

The forecast is now showing a couple of chances of rain, but there are more chances of no rain.  Think Positive.   :)

Monday A 30 percent chance of rain, mainly after noon. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 47. North wind 5 to 10 mph.
Tuesday Mostly cloudy, with a high near 43.
Wednesday Sunny, with a high near 50.
Thursday Mostly sunny, with a high near 51.
Friday A 30 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 53.
Saturday A 20 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 56

May the Saw Gods keep you all safe and give you many hours of no break downs and no wavy lumber and many board feet of good building lumber. Amen

Good luck and God Speed to all making the trip. Wish I could be there too.

Quote from: arnold113 on December 07, 2013, 10:47:41 PMWish I could be there too. 

You will be.  We will be carrying the banner, but everyone here on the Forestry Forum can know that they are a part of this project. 

MM, just sent you a PM.

Day Late a Dollar short on this thread. How long Ya going to be on this project I'm not far from Rusk at all. I work M-F this week daylight Hr.s . Let me know.
Migal

Migal,

Not sure how long we will be there, I hope we can finish by Friday, traveling today, start sawing tomorrow.

Willie

Well, the tracking on the banner said "out for delivery" until 11pm last night.  Now it says "in transit".   It didn't get here last night so it is going to be Monday before it gets here.  Oh well.   

The gate is open.   Welcome to the travelers.   

I'm going to spend the morning getting another load of pallets.   

Austin

Best of luck to all of those that are traveling today. May all be safe and return to their loved ones.

Quote from: customsawyer on December 08, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
Best of luck to all of those that are traveling today. May all be safe and return to their loved ones.

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Quote from: customsawyer on December 08, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
Best of luck to all of those that are traveling today. May all be safe and return to their loved ones.

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And thank you to MM and others who are going to be on-site, for making those of us who can't be there (but wish we could) feel like we're part of the team.  Good luck and God bless.

     Good Luck and God Bless.  Safe trip to all.

THEY'RE HERE!

Bill showed up about 3.  Willie about 3:45.  Lynn and Marty about 4:30. 

While we waited on the others, Bill helped me figure out a way to move the oak logs with my little tractor.  While backing up the hill at an angle with an oak hanging on the front, my back right tire started to come up off the ground.  Bill JUMPED up on the brush hog that I had on the back to help even us out.  The load was only inches off the ground so I didn't think it would pull me over but Bill jumping onto the brush hog sure helped!

Ok, here are the pics.



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The above is Lynn backing in the mill.



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The above is Willie explaining where he is going to put his edger.



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Dark 30 and we are all set up.  Time to eat supper.

Bright and early tomorrow, it will be sawing time. 

Austin

As Austin said, we all made it here safely and are now set up and ready to start sawing in the morning.


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Bill Gaiche, Marty, wwsjr (Willie Steele) Austin and Myself.


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Our setup.


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Another view.


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Adjusting some 16' logs for tomorrow morning.

We were treated to a home cooked meal of brisket, potato salad, slaw, and some homemade apple sauce. Mmmm.

Tomorrow will come early.

Magic man, I just seen this thread and read it from the original post. I have to say what a great thing this is, And it is absolutely amazing so many members here made a contribution. When I joined I thought it was weird how a lot of people were willing to give their advice/help, but didn't think they would reach out this far. I would like to contribute also, could you pm me details on how? it wont be much but I would like to pitch in. And good luck Austin with everything, I hope everything runs smooth for you.

 The trip down was mostly a single lane because of the ice and snow to about Hugo, Ok. Very large ice storm that went thru southeast, Ok and northeast, Tx. Not pretty.
Was a pleasure to meet Austin and his great family. Great to see MM, Marty and Willie also. They brought the tools to get the job done, just hope I can keep up with them. Thanks for the great meal, it was really good Austin and family. bg br>
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I wish I could be there to lend some back, but I can't.
I don't know where all of you stand on it, but Ella & I are praying Psalms 91 over all of you on this venture.
Verses 11 & 12 say that; (11) "He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all of thy ways."
(12) "They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone."

I didn't see any stones in the pictures, but I figure if God cares about you stubbing your toe, then the same must apply to mashing fingers and other hurts.
God bless all of you for your compassion, and willingness to do what you're doing.

Andy

Man I wish I could make it down there . You guys be careful , take your time and be safe . It will get done .

And keep posting pics ! It's almost as good as being there.

Red Good, we are neighbors. I would have let you ride down with me. bg

"Rock On" (voice of Rocky,from As Time Goes By) ;)

Enjoy the comraderie,the work and the giving.May it come full circle and return to All.
Be safe and return to Your loved ones,fulfilled and proud.ie(Having or displaying great dignity or nobility)

Jim

I know Bill , the ride and staying isn't the problem time off is . I am slammed right now or I would be there .

To the Road Crew, I am leaving the house in a minute, and wanted to check in. Looking forward to meeting each of you in person. Hoping for good weather for all this work. See you all in a couple of hours.     Andy

Andy,

Looking forward to meeting you.  The guys said they would be over here around 7 or 7:30.  Just come on up to the top of the driveway. 

Austin

Be carful and may God be with all of you on this trip 8)

Glad to hear everyone made the trip safely!

There is going to be a whack of board stacking going on, for sure! 

Have not been on lately.  Just started following the adventure.  You all are doing a great and wonderful thing.  You are all blessed to be able to do this.  Good luck to you all and I know you will have a very good Christmas.

Thinking about all of you!  Be safe, stay warm!  Godspeed!

We had a very successful sawing today.  My off bearers said that it rained and maybe sleeted but none of it got through my umbrella.


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Willie is feeding the edger.  Bill, Andy, and Austin are in the background.


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Marty and Bill are giving the Logrites a workout or maybe......


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Sadie and Stacey caught on to the sawing quickly.


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Again, we were fed quite well.


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Andy and Allen joined our work crew today.


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Today's sawing.  The large whack is 2X8's.  We finished the 16' logs today.

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What a DAY!  It drizzled all day long but we made boards!  In fact we finished all the 16'ers.  Allen and Andy showed up today as well.  Andy was a great hand and Allen saved the day (and my rear) with his tractor.  He moved all the 8'ers that I had left on the ground as well as dragging up the big oak that my tractor couldn't move. 

It was cold until the mill and edger were running at the same time!  There were seven of us working and we were MOVING SOME LUMBER!

Ok PICS!



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Finally my wife, Stacey, decided Lynn was taking a little too much time getting into the cut!



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Good job and great pics. Keep them coming.

Great to see the photos!  I see that you guys all follow the same dress code.  ;D

DanG Magic.....I think I'd like to be your personal off-bearer just for the food! Good food seems to follow you.  :)

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Nice!  Impressive stack.  Congratulations you guys!  Keep the pix coming.

Perfect weather! perfect friends!  nice job to all of you!   david

 Great photo's, Thanks for sharing.  Looks like you guys are having fun doing a great job. Thanks for letting us be a part of it.

Kevin

You guys are what make America great...

Very inspiring.  The pics made me smile. 

Thanks for the report. Looks like we have a new sawyer or sawyers.   ;D

Good job 8)

Good work guys.  I was feeling that I wanted to come help, but the 1500mi or so trip sent me back to reality.  I was presented with an opportunity, however, and acted on it.  So you are not only helping this family, but inspiring others as well.

Looks like a great days worth of sawing!

What a crew!

As I kept up on this thread over the past several weeks, the pictures and insight of the actual job getting started are exciting to see.  I am happy for and jealous of all of you at the same time.  What a great project to be a part of!  We should label the one picture the "Texas Magnificent Seven".  Congrats and well wishes to you all in this wonderful gift for a fellow FF member in a time of need.  You should all be very proud.  Bravo!!!   :)

  Great job guys can't wait to see more  :)

Makes me proud to be a Forum member.  You folks are the best.
YH

The thing I keep asking myself is, in that last picture, has Stacy just turned the cant, or is she about to become a bonafide professional sawyer by trying to saw through the side stop :D :D.

Quote from: Brucer on December 10, 2013, 12:04:24 AM
The thing I keep asking myself is, in that last picture, has Stacy just turned the cant, or is she about to become a bonafide professional sawyer by trying to saw through the side stop :D :D.

8) Good Eye's is what She wood say as any Bonafide Sawyer would say!  8)

That just goes to show you real men wear APRONS 8)

     Great job guys!  With that much experience in one crowd, those logs have a very short life expectancy.8)

In this instance, you and the entire Forestry Forum are here.  Thank you all for the support. 

Weather looks better for today. 24° at 5:30A with no wind chill. Sunshine and 44° predicted for today. No rain, freezing rain, drizzle, snow, or ice predicted for the rest of the week.
Thanks to all for your support.

Quote from: ayerwood on December 09, 2013, 10:44:01 PM
As I kept up on this thread over the past several weeks, the pictures and insight of the actual job getting started are exciting to see.  I am happy for and jealous of all of you at the same time.  What a great project to be a part of!  We should label the one picture the "Texas Magnificent Seven".  Congrats and well wishes to you all in this wonderful gift for a fellow FF member in a time of need.  You should all be very proud.  Bravo!!!   :)

Ayerwood:
I think we should change that from the "Texas Magnificent Seven" to the "Forestry Forum Magnificent Seven".......

They are the spirit of the forum, helping each other.

Jim Rogers

Awesome job folks!  I wish I cold could be there to help.  Amazing grace...

Good job FFM7

I'm loving every minute of this adventure, just looking at the pictures. The FF is a great bunch of guys. I'm proud to be counted one of you. Even thou I'm a newbe, yall have made me feel at home.
Austin, may God bless you and family and all your guest. :) :) :)

Agreed Jim.  Or...The Forestry Forum Magnificent Seven "Whack" Texas!   :)

Quote from: ayerwood on December 10, 2013, 10:24:10 AM
Agreed Jim.  Or...The Forestry Forum Magnificent Seven "Whack" Texas!   :)

awesome job every one   8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)   I like the whack texas  thing  :D :D  again awesome job  smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping

Yea, and we need a picture of that banner...... Please?

Jim Rogers

Quote from: Brucer on December 10, 2013, 12:04:24 AM
The thing I keep asking myself is, in that last picture, has Stacy just turned the cant, or is she about to become a bonafide professional sawyer by trying to saw through the side stop :D :D.

When I first saw her on the Op Seat, the first thing I did was checked the clearance and noticed the log stop then realized it was a photo-op in the making!  ;)

Somehow we've gotta get the "everything's bigger in Texas" theme going here?

Wishing again I could be there to help, tired of being house-bound and walking around with a cane ... hurt_smiley

Looking forward to news of the day!

Another great day today.  Got tons done.  When I got to the top of the hill this morning the sawdust covering the ground was frozen.  I used the FEL to scrape off that top layer and the next layer froze!  It was slick until the sun hit it. 

I didn't pull out my phone but one time so few pictures.  Had lunch and dinner here at the property and it was a beautiful day.   



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I know Lynn took many more pictures and Willie can give board foot totals and so forth.  I'm beat and the shower is calling!

Austin

Yes, we did have a very productive day.


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Andy and Bill in the background as the largest log is sawn into 2X12's.  Yes, I am sitting on the seat back.


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Austin discovered how well the end tongs work for moving logs.  Andy is helping.


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A wonderful beef stew cooked in a Dutch oven.


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The newspaper in Lufkin interviewed us and will do a story on the sawing.  The reporter likes Logrite.  logrite_cool


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Two day's sawing tally is 6125 bf.


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Stacey cooked our evening meal.  Real Texas Chili !!    food6 

Someone called my little stack of 100 bdft a whack. What do you call a stack of 6125 bdft?

Do we have a source for those end tongs?

At least y'all are eatin' good  ;D.

Quote from: AnthonyW on December 10, 2013, 09:43:56 PM
What do you call a stack of 6125 bdft?

A Texas WHACK!!  (Everything's bigger in Texas!   8)

Wow, impressive by any standard.  Nice work,guys!  How much do you have to go yet?  Gonna make Austin's target?

Quote from: AnthonyW on December 10, 2013, 09:43:56 PMDo we have a source for those end tongs? 

I made those.  LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,62449.msg1022013.html#msg1022013)  Make a forum Search for end tongs.  Some folks use the hook for a Logrite Migahook. 

I am sure that we will make Austin's cut list.  We will be sawing mostly 2X4's and then start on the Oak tomorrow.

Awesome work going on there, like a bunch of angels, dirty angels..

Quote from: Magicman on December 10, 2013, 10:08:05 PM

Quote from: AnthonyW on December 10, 2013, 09:43:56 PMDo we have a source for those end tongs? 

I made those.  LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,62449.msg1022013.html#msg1022013)  Make a forum Search for end tongs.  Some folks use the hook for a Logrite Migahook. 

I am sure that we will make Austin's cut list.  We will be sawing mostly 2X4's and then start on the Oak tomorrow.

I made my log end tongs out of a pair of old ice tongs.  They were held together by a circular link that I cut out and used a couple quick links to attach them to a chain.

BTW guys, You're all doing a good thing down there.  I'm proud of the good heart felt showing of neighborly love here.  There's still good people in the world today and this is one of the many proofs. May God Bless you all.

Need to post the newspaper article in the FF if they will let you.  We would like to read it.   :P

Yes,I second the link to the newspaper article too.
Good job all of you.  8)

 

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We had to move the edger and rearrange our setup for sawing the 1" lumber.


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Lunch today was chicken chili and green salad.  This was topped off with peach cobbler & ice cream.


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We were interviewed today by the Rusk newspaper.  The newspaper guy had to try his hand at sawing.   ;D


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Yes, we do have a banner.  Lynn, Willie, Austin, Andy, Marty, & Bill


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Austin's Mom had to check us out.


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Tired sawmill hands with 7825 bf of stickered lumber behind them..

That is some pretty awesome accomplishment for the team.  8) 8)

Pretty darn proud of what you guys have done in just three days. Good to see that smile on Austin's face.

And Jeff, you have a DanG good reason to feel some real pride in your growing Forestry Forum too.

+1  8) 8) 8)

Sure is a nice photo's ! Wish I could be there. Dang day job.

I just can't get over how awesome you guys are. That is one serious pile of lumber.... 7,800 bd/ft! Woot woot!

Austin,
  I am jealous you get to host that crew. I'd love to sit down at the dinner table with those seasoned sawyers and just talk sawdust......I can only keep my wife's attention for a few minutes. Haha, You are a blessed man.

Thanks for all of the updates Magic man; I look forward to hopping on my computer every evening to check out the progress. Keep it coming!

I've always been proud of our members and this is exactly why. :)

I remember when this started and with my surgery and stuff going on, just got caught up by reading this the last two nights.  You folks are awesome.  Will be sending MM a PM and get some Indiana money headed towards this amazing feat.  Good job all!!!!!

How's the schedule going? will you still be sawing Friday?

If all goes well, we should be done tomorrow. Magicman keeps that Wood Mizer humming. That 1998 LT40 super cuts like a champ. I don't guess you can wear one out. bg

Curious. How many board feet have been cut and how many blades have been used?

Back up one page and read what MM has posted and it tells bf. Cant say how many blades, mm will have to tell you that. Not many though. bg

If all goes well, we should be done tomorrow.

Thanks Bill. It sure sounded like ya'll were bringing it to a finish.

This is the most amazing thing I have ever seen. I not only makes me proud to be a member of this forum, but it also reminds me there are still a lot of great people that will step up to help someone when help is needed. Words can not do justice to the magnatude of what is happening in Texas.

This whole unfolding story keeps getting better and better. At my day job I started telling my co workers  the whole story and today they were coming up asking so what's new news about Magic man and dablack. Makes me have a big smile.

We have had beautiful weather last two days. Monday was miserable, mid 30's with drizzle all day. Never rained hard, just enough to keep everything wet. Tue low was 31°, high 50° at 3:00PM with sunshine all day. Wed was low 32°, high 51°. Today is predicted to be the same. No wood on the fire after lunch. Perfect weather for sawing. If things go well, we should finish today. 

Great job guys!  8)

Great job and God Bless all of you there and here on the Forestry Forum.

Just have to say "Thank you!"  smiley_clapping one more time to all the folks that were/are/will be on the ground in Rusk, as well as those that supported the trip financially and with thoughts and prayers.

In Matthew 25:40 Jesus tells us: "Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."  Sobering thought.

May God bless the crew and watch over them with a safe trip home when the job is done  8) smiley_thumbsup_grin smiley_thumbsup_grin smiley_thumbsup

We finished sawing about 3:00pm today. Lynn, Marty, Andy, and Bill hit the road home about 4:00PM this afternoon. I am staying one more night and leave early tomorrow morning. This old man is tired and needs rest before making a 8 1/2 hr drive. More info will follow from all I am sure.

Thanks again for all the support we have received.

Willie

I can just imagine how tired you all are. Those were four big days.

Thanks to all of you for the generous effort and great accomplishment. Gives Austin a real good "leg up" when he needed one.

8) 8)

Job well done!  Were all proud of you. Enjoy your long weekend and time to relax!

hope every one has a safe trip home  JOB WELL DONE 8) 8) smiley_clapping smiley_bounce smiley_wavy smiley_flipping

Thanks for the great job! Safe travels for the crew. Looking forward to more photos of the end result. Also hope there will be pictures of the building project.

I got home about 10:20pm. It was a very good experience for me. The Black family is really assume. Was glad to meet them all. We had a great time sawing all the lumber and eating great meals provided by Stacey and her friends. Hope this gets them started back in the right direction once again. Maybe there dreams of having a home again will come true soon. Thanks to Jeff for having the Forestry Forum, for it was what made this all happen. Thanks to all the members and others for there contributions to make this happen and ease the burden that was brought upon the Black family. I have a few photos and I am sure there will be more that will be added by Magicman and Austin. Magicman done a fine job of sawing all this lumber also. Willie's eager speeded up things also. Was a pleasure to work with Willie, Magicman, Austin, Andy, Allen and Marty. bg


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Great job guys. You all did an amazing amount of work. Makes me proud to be a member of this forum.

Larro

Bill
You captured some pretty special happy smiles on those faces in Austin's family. Good on you all.  8)

The smiles on the children's faces is just wonderful.  Those little ones now know what real hero's look like.  You guys are awesome! 

Thanks everyone on the forum for the heartfelt support you have given us in this endeavor. I have never had the feeling that I had that much support on any project I have ever done! Austin is truly one in a million. He and his family made me, and all of us feel like old friends instead of new aquaintances. If anyone ever gets the chance to work a project with Lynn, and Willie, you had better take it! The knowledge and skill is shown in every move they make all day long. Just knowing they both have been recognized in the million board foot membership made this project a very learning experience for me. Marty is a sawyers dream come true. His attention to every detail of the mills performance and setup is unbeatable. Along with pushing us aside to offbear boards, he kept the loading arms full of logs so the saw never stopped. Bill is one of the great ones for contributing all he has to the project at hand. Between every log and board, we talked about, and built every kind of gadget you could want on a sawmill! I spent just a short time with Allen, because he stayed on the tractor hauling logs to the pile. At one time we stopped and asked him if he was cutting logs off the neighbors property. Never seen that many logs at one time. This Forestry Forum is the very pattern our country was founded on, and I am the one who has to be the luckiest man on the forum for getting this opportunity to meet and work along the finest people out there. Thanks to all, and I will be looking forward to another project if the need arises.      Andy

Quote from: Roxie on December 13, 2013, 05:58:49 AM
The smiles on the children's faces is just wonderful.  Those little ones now know what real hero's look like.  You guys are awesome!

     I don't believe it could be said better than this.  Good Show, fellas!

This has been a truly wonderful experience for all Forestry Forum members, especially the ones that did the sawing!

Great job fellas!

I am proud of you guys and glad to be part of the Forum..  Merry Christmas to all.

Excellent job everyone 8) 8) 8)

Well, I just have a minute to post but I wanted to give a heart felt thanks to Jeff, the forestry forum financial supporters, Allen, Mike, and Dennis who helped me fell and move the logs, Andy, Willie, Lynn, Marty, and Bill who helped cut and stack it all.  It has been a wild ride and I'm EXHAUSTED.  I'm glad I'm at work today so I can rest!  HA! 

My wife Stacey cried when everyone left because we love them all so much.  Such great guys. 

Stacey got better pictures than me on the last day but I can post what I have.

Here is the last pine framed by Bill and Andy.


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Here is a pic of Lynn getting a pic of the giant slab pile. 


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Here is the first oak.  It was very productive.  Sadly, the others were not.  The cracks just ran too deep. 


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Then the last oak, looked pretty good but it was the one with metal in it.  Also, turns out about half the oaks were NOT white oaks like I thought.  They were some kind of red oak, most likely post oak.  I have lots of them on the property too. 



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I'm hoping to post more pics later. 

I, of course will document the build here on the forum.  It will be a couple of months before we start framing.

thanks
Austin

Austin,

Post oak  is in the white oak group, so if your oaks are red oaks, they are not post oak.

Looks like an amazing four days and a large whack of lumber. Things work best when we work together. 

I just lost my entire reply with pictures, so now I start over again.   :-\   :-\

This project began with a simple question by FF member "dablack" (D. Austin Black) asking about possibly sawing his own lumber to build a home for his family.  Over 80 Forestry Forum members have volunteered their time and contributions to give this precious family a new start in their lives.   

Thanks first to Jeff who had the vision to provide a means for sawyers, loggers, foresters, woodworkers, and any one else with a wood/timber question or idea to meet together to share their interest.

It might be noted that this is also a very giving family.  It may be of interest to know that two years ago they adopted two children from Uganda.  Stacey flew to their homeland to bring this Brother and Sister Home.   :)


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The family stands with the banner in front of the lumber that will become their new home.


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The last Pine log is loaded onto the sawmill Thursday morning.


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And becomes part of these stickered stacks consisting of about 8400bf of framing and flat lumber.


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Another of the delicious meals provided by the ladies.  This was a meat pie topped with tater tots, and was followed by peach cobbler & ice cream.


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We all signed the banner.  We also signed a 2X4, but I did not get a picture.


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Last was the White Oak logs that will become flooring.


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We did manage to get 500bf of lumber from those logs.


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Last it was the "Owl Head" log.  We fought the log, but the log won.  We knew full well that it had metal, but we tried to get a few side boards.  Wrong !!!


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And then we tried to "jump butt" it above the nails, but we quickly hit metal and the saw left the red line.  Junk.

Our total was 8965bf of lumber sawed with 6 blades and then 0bf sawed with 2 blades.



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We enjoyed the fellowship and fun on this trip.  Here Willie's Logrite "mill special" tried to hitch a ride home in my truck.


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But Willie's keen eye spotted it, and alas, it went back home with him.

Our portion of the project would not have been possible without first the Forestry Forum.  Then Wood-Mizer, Logrite, and lastly the heart of the Forestry Forum.  Your contributions and constant encouragement certainly were uplifting and provided the momentum to help make this happen.

Thanks seems like a small word to how I feel about the help that we had while sawing.  Andy White (who made a ~160 mile round trip each day), Bill Gaiche, Austin and Marty were always there to roll up another log and keep the lumber stacked.  Willie's edger kept me from having to edge on the sawmill which speeded up the entire operation. 

Hopefully Austin and his family will continue to receive contributions as well as manual help as they build their future home. 

Also, please do not fail to remember to make a contribution to the Forestry Forum, for without it, none of this would have been possible.

What a blessing...... and I would go out on a limb to call it a miracle.  :)
It was good to see this endeavor start from the beginning, watch its progress along the way and yes.....come to an end. Now a home can begin to grow.
Sure looks like a mighty happy family and just in time for Christmas!

Thanks to all for your hard work and the great pictures y'all posted!  :)

Stacey and I have become friends on Facebook. I came across this story that she has written about her and family. It touched me in a way that I thought that some of you would like to read it and come to appreciate this family even more. Its kinda long but worth the read. She gave me permission to post it and hope that its ok by Jeff. bg

Stacey Babin Black
I want to share with all of you OUR Christmas miracle! It isn't a miracle of being miraculously healed from a terminal illness, or maybe anything else that would probably move you to tears. It may not even seem terribly significant to many of you. But to our family, it is a HUGE miracle! I don't necessarily think that many of you will be "wowed" by what our family is receiving, but I want to tell you so that you will be reminded that people are still SO GOOD! People DO still help others out....even if they don't know them! I've always thought about service as it relates to helping and serving in third-world countries. I'll help out friends or family members in need. When there is a natural disaster, I think of people that have lost their homes and enthusiastically drop off donations for families that have just lost everything. I LOVE to help others and serve the Lord. What I have never even considered is that I should learn to accept the help and service of others. I am not saying that I have not ever been helped out, but that when it has happened, I have felt very awkward, almost embarrassed. I don't just accept it. I struggle with it for a long, long time. I feel guilty. I'm very uncomfortable. I am learning now. Finally. The Lord is teaching me that I need to accept the gifts He sends me without guilt. And I am trying to be a good student!

So here is what is happening.....

A lot of you know that our house burned down in July, and we've spent the last four months resettling our family and trying to accept what has happened. What a lot of you don't know, is that God has been orchestrating a HUGE blessing for our family! A miracle!! Just for us!!!

When we lost the house that we had sunk so much of our hard work, faith and hope into, we were shocked and distraught. We lost the house itself, all of the tools and equipment that enabled us to build the house, our rv, many household items (extra blankets, sheets, you name it) and childrens' toys, etc. that were already in the house and rv. In addition, we lost SO much money that we found ourselves in position that we would not be able to begin rebuilding for a LONG time...probably several years, if we were lucky! Austin (my husband) began posting on a forum that he had been a member of for a couple of years. This forum is for sawyers...men who cut lumber with portable saws. Because we have property with a LOT of trees on it, Austin thought it might be the most economical to just buy a sawmill and begin the labor of felling trees and cutting the lumber for our house ourselves.

Austin was seeking the advise of these professional and experienced sawyers and asking them about how many working hours they thought it might take him to cut all of the lumber on our "cut list." We wouldn't be able to afford a very big sawmill at all. The smaller (or cheaper) the sawmill, the longer it takes for it to cut lumber. We didn't know if it would take every weekend for 6 months or a year to cut all of the wood. It just so happened that a wonderful angel of a man...a Christian sawyer from Mississippi named Lynn Davis was on that forum, and remembered a post from the year before in which my husband was asking about some of the cedar we were installing on the porch ceiling. My dear husband had not mentioned that our home had burned. We were just trying to figure out a plan amongst ourselves to see how we could work our way back out of the predicament we now found ourselves in.

This wonderful man asked Austin what the cut list was for....weren't we completing a house? (What on earth could this cut list be for?) Austin then explained that the house we had spent over a year as a family building had been struck by lightening and burned down to the slab. Unbeknownst to us, this elderly gentleman sawyer has a passion for service. He told Austin that he wanted to drive from Mississippi with his sawmill and cut all of our lumber for our house for us for free!!! WHAT!?!!?

As we are NOT used to accepting help from anyone (or haven't been comfortable accepting help), much less, help from a stranger, we immediately started thinking of all the reasons why we absolutely could NOT accept his offer! Was this man crazy? Didn't he know we lived two states away? We aren't having to live in a shelter....we are eating, and still living somewhat comfortably. WE really aren't a charity case. Are we?

While we debated over what we should do....accept his offer of help or say no way (we aren't worthy of such a gift and all of his time and hard work; we aren't destitute enough; why us?; is he sure?; that's a lot of gas money, time, work....we can't allow this sweet man to do this...., ETC..., ETC....., ETC.!!! We were thinking of every excuse not to allow this to happen....), this determined and passionate-about-service man was already asking the other forum members who wanted to donate money to cover his travel expenses and cost to the run his mill. I don't know these men. Not one of them. I thought, "Who would want to donate? Why would they want to donate anything for us?" Well, guess what!! Apparently, A LOT OF THEM!!!!!! There have been plenty of donations from men from ALL over the country to cover Lynn's expenses and he and several (many?) other men (I don't know the exact number yet) are coming THIS WEEKEND to set up to work on Monday!!!

All of the wood we will need to begin rebuilding our home will be cut this coming week and sitting at the top of our hill for us when we are ready to start!! Did you hear that?!! ALL of the wood that we need to rebuild our home is about to be "given" to us!!!! We were in a situation that felt hopeless. We were now broke. We would have to change our lifestyle drastically. We will have to start ALL. OVER. From the ground again. We prayed. We asked God, "Why us? Why did He allow our house, the one we had been building with our own two hands constantly for over a year to burn down?" We asked for help in moving forward, for faith, for acceptance. We were confused and sad....but KNEW that God had a plan for our family. There WAS/IS a reason for our family's own personal tragedy. We don't know what the reason is, but we have been comforted by the Lord, nonetheless. We knew He would still take care of our family and still provide for us as He always has. This would just be a different kind of adventure for our family. We were up for the task.

The Lord has absolutely ALWAYS provided for us. ALWAYS. Without fail. When we were adopting our two youngest children from East Africa, and it seemed almost impossible on our budget....the Lord provided. When my husband was laid off from his job right after I returned from Uganda with our children....at Christmas time, He provided. Those are big things, but He is also in all of the little details of our lives!

So, now God gets to show off again!!! He is providing for us in a HUGE way! Exactly THE WAY that we need! He is so merciful and loving to always meet our needs!! We WILL get to rebuild our home...and SOON!!! We did not foresee that happening and never would have dreamt up the manner in which we would be able to go about it! Only God!!

I hope that this little story just gives hope to any of you that need hope right now. My prayer is that this Christmas season, we all will be reminded and remember that when we serve others, we are serving Our King. Even if you are doing something that you do all the time and you think it, "Who would need help in this manner? I'm sure there are other more amazing things that other people could do....," know that there IS someone who needs EXACTLY what you may be able to provide!! All deeds, big or small, God can use to glorify his kingdom!! And believe me...the recipient of your deeds will likely be more grateful than you can ever imagine!!

I also hope that some of you that may have lost hope with humanity will be given hope that our world is FULL of amazing people that still do so much GOOD!!

Merry Christmas, Everyone!!!

To Stacey, those are very thoughtful and meaningful words. Thank you and Merry Christmas   8)


Bill
Thanks for posting this. And to you guys who worked hard for four days, well done.

I made it home about 3:30 PM. More traffic today, took longer to get home than it did going west on Sunday. I will post some other comments later, need to take the wife out to eat tonight.

Well put Stacey, definately a story that will cause many to just think!

The Forestry Forum is one huge family in itself and it takes things like this to make it that way!

Bill, I also want to thank you for posting Stacys letter. She really has a way with words, and can get out what she is feeling. I really was brought to tears reading it. Here I sit waiting for my daughter, SIL, and my granddaughter to show up from Ky for our family Christmas and we dont have a worry in the world.  I am so glad I was able to help them through this forum and MM and all others. I will share this story with everyone I know and Im positive this goodwill will go on and multiply affecting more people than one could imagine.  Merry Christmas to all. Ernie

ET, I, too, will share this story. It is truly a magnificant one.

Thanks to Stacy for being so free and honest with the emotional events the family went through. We all have one thing in common in their story: we, as well as the Blacks, are all better for it.
Bob

Reading Bill's posting from Stacy and the good will by all the folks does bring a tear to the eye!   Great forum, great people, God bless.

Great job guys. ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

I am very very proud of the whole lot of you.  :)

Jeff,

Thanks for posting the link to this thread on Facebook. I just spent about an hour reading the whole thread. WOW! That's all I can say. WOW!

What a wonderful world we live in. Thanks to all who participated in this wonderful, wonderful event.

You guys are the best!

This is the 2013 Christmas story. I have told everyone I can about it. This story reaches deep into the heart and reminds people there is still good in ordinary men and women. It is all too often forgotten, everryone has something to share, a skill, advice, labor, ideas, and on and on.
I am new to this forum, but am so honored to be a part of this remarkable group.

It was a pleasure to work with all the guys on the project, hard work, long days with satisfying results. Thanks to all Forum members who supported us with contributions, prayers, and messages. Spending time with this great family "made my day". The Facebook post by Stacey tells it all. I hope the work we completed has helped the family both physically and emotionally. To all the ladies who provided food, thanks so much.

I know we said that what happens in Texas stays in Texas, but I have to pass along some information to anyone who runs a WM twin blade edger. As we attempted to start the edger on Tues morning it would turn over but would not start. The temp was in the 20's with a "cold shouldered" Cat engine. Attached battery charger to battery, battery slightly low, let it charge about an hour, still no start. Checked fuel to pump, good flow. Called WM for assistance with troubleshooting. Greg Baire told me to get voltmeter, check glow plugs and fuel solenoid. As I prepared to try to check voltage he said, wait, check the emergency shutoff switch, it could have been pushed down. He had that problem at a show when someone had hit the button accidently. The switch was down, pulled up to run position, hit the glow plugs 25 seconds, problem solved. Although it cannot be proven, it was the consensus of the group that Bill was observed sitting on the edger near the switch on Mon afternoon. I think Bill said, no picture, didn't happen. Point being, if the edger won't start, check the "kill" switch first.

Would someone give us the name of Stacey's FB page?

Great effort all around!  Makes FF proud.

Thanks,

Norm

That button looked like an easy button to me. When doesn't run, its easier on me. bg

Shotgun, use the search option on Facebook. Type in Stacey Black and see what happens. bg

I had that happen to me about a year ago. I even changed the fuel filter and got fresh fuel with 911 in it. I finally got the idea to check to see if there was a power problem at the fuel shutoff when I realized there wasn't any white smoke coming out when I was cranking.

Quote from: wwsjr on December 14, 2013, 04:29:30 PM
Point being, if the edger won't start, check the "kill" switch first.

So you think there's not enough evidence to start calling it the "Bill" switch?   :D

Quote from: SawyerBrown on December 14, 2013, 04:49:32 PM
So you think there's not enough evidence to start calling it the "Bill" switch?   :D

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Could be. With no photos and not one positive witness I am still innocent. But Willie called that switch some names when he found out what the problem really was that can't be said on here and Bill was not one of them. bg

Hi All!  This is Stacey, Austin's wife.  I want to thank ALL of the Forestry Forum members for your help and support!  This has been a wonderful miraculous gift that we could not have even fathomed would happen for us.  I have never known such wonderful, hardworking men as the men that showed up this week!!  I am so glad to have met each of them, and truly enjoyed getting to know them.  They were all such a huge blessing to our family!  We appreciate all of you that donated to this cause so that travel expenses could be covered for the guys to come!

I am attaching a link to the Facebook page I created for my friends and family.  Any of you that would like to read through it, please do!  You may have to send a request to join the group, as I have it set as a Closed Group.  I will gladly add any of you that would like to be included on it!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1378351469080680/

Blessings and Merry Christmas,
Stacey Black

Every log was rolled and adjusted with Logrite cant hooks.  Also after the second face opening, when dealing with smaller logs, Willie's Mill Special saved the day.  The "hands" would grab it and flip the cant as soon as I released the log clamp. 

Many thanks to Logrite for their support with an expense contribution and also for manufacturing a quality product that works.   logrite_cool

And they make a great Christmas gift that will last forever.
logrite_cool logrite_cool logrite_cool :christmas: smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup

Some of you may have noticed the strange color of my Logrite Mill Special, (pic in MM"s post) it was hanging on one of the shed post during the fire that destroyed shed and mill. It was not damaged. Maybe I will paint it back to the original orange someday. Marty liked it so well it "accidently" got loaded in MM's truck.

Lynn or Willie,  Santa found out what we did this past week, and told me he was bringing me a Mill Special, and wanted to know if Willie's was 30" or 36". She wants to get the right one.     Andy

Andy,

Mine is the 24" Mill Special.

QuoteBlessings and Merry Christmas,
Stacey Black

And your family is truly a Blessing to all of us on the Forestry Forum.
Merry Christmas

What a crew may God bless all of you :christmas:

You gentleman are a fine example for the rest of us to follow. God bless you all.

 Job well done , proud to know some of you and hope to meet with all of you some day.  candle_smiley candle_smiley candle_smiley

emergency shutoff switch,E stops we called them at work. I would like to have a dollar for everytime I was called to a machine at work because someone had leaned on an E stop. That was always the first thing that I would check,especially when they would say,I did not touch anything.  :D
Glad all went well.

The whole trip,reminds Me of things,I once knew by heart..


Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give

Ecclesiastes 4:9-10
Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their work:  If one falls down, his friend can help him up. But pity the man who falls and has no one to help him up!

Jim

Quote from: beenthere on November 29, 2013, 09:01:42 PM
Let's not forget the Forestry Forum for some donations, as without the Forum this activity would not be in its formulative stage now and have all the pent up potential for a huge success. Just sayin...   ;D

And many thanks for the Magicman..for offering and undertaking the challenge.

That's a great point

I'll be sending Jeff a little donation if Santa doesn't bring me coal for Christmas :)

I'm late in this thread, but sent my contribution long ago....

This forum, this site, and the great people make me proud to be a part of it..

My pockets are full of sawdust (firewood this time of year) but it makes me smile every time I see it, and the community here comes to mind often. Usually when my wife finds a trail of sawdust throughout the house lol :)

I see that we made the front page of today's Lufkin Daily News (http://lufkindailynews.com/) , Story (http://lufkindailynews.com/news/local/article_296dd61a-653d-11e3-a46d-0019bb2963f4.html) , Images (http://lufkindailynews.com/news/local/article_296dd61a-653d-11e3-a46d-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=image) Clicking on the 3 thumbnails will bring them up with their narrative.

They want $14 to view the story or $2.00 for one day from my computer.  :-\

Yet one can read the entire story of the sicko panty thief.  ::)

Stacey's write-up for facebook says it all, IMO. But it was good to see that at least there was some local print to get the story out.

I just hope and pray that those stacks of lumber stay right where they are until needed by Austin.
I might be for painting the ends of each board a blue or some other color just for later id if something goes missing.

I read it. They should have written more but got the story across. Great pics also.
Thanks for the link Magic.



Generosity of strangers yields Christmas miracle for family facing adversity



Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:00 am
By RHONDA OAKS/The Lufkin News
CHEROKEE COUNTY — Christmas miracles don't always come wrapped beneath a tree. Sometimes trees themselves are the miracles.
That's the case of the family of Austin and Stacey Black, who had plenty of pine and hardwood trees on their property where they had built their dream home. Those trees, combined with the generosity of a group of strangers, proved to be the miracle the family never saw coming after the home burned down before they could even move into it.



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You are correct Jeff.  I see now that to read the article in it's entirety a subscription is required.   :-\

Both newspapers promised to mail me copies, so all may not be lost.

Quote from: beenthere on December 15, 2013, 01:47:24 PMI just hope and pray that those stacks of lumber stay right where they are until needed by Austin. 

Not a worry.  Austin lives between the lumber and the gate.   ;D

All the bad news is free but good news is going to cost Ya :-\

What can they be thinking :(

Jim

Hi Guys!  It's Stacey again....my friend saved the article as a pdf, and added some comments at the end that I posted to my facebook group.  I'll attach it to this post for anyone who would like to read the article in its entirety.

Thanks Stacey. bg

Magicman,I liked this part,
Professional sawyer Lynn Davis    8)
A very nice write up.

 Thank you  for making the article readable, excellent write up.

Quote from: thecfarm on December 15, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
Magicman,I liked this part,
Professional sawyer Lynn Davis    8) 

I noticed that I am also "elderly".   ;D

One correction might be noted.  The $5,000 expense contributions were used to offset the actual traveling and sawing expenses.  After those were paid, then the balance was given to the Blacks to offset prior and future expenses.

Quote from: Magicman on December 16, 2013, 08:59:33 AM
I noticed that I am also "elderly".   ;D

Webster's defines elderly as "approaching old age".  Guess that makes us all elderly! 

I think most of us can only hope we're still able to work 4 long days sawing almost 8000 bf of lumber when we're "elderly"!!

 

I think most of us can only hope we're still able to work 4 long days sawing almost 8000 bf of lumber when we're "elderly"!!
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No joke.  I was the youngest one there and I'm sure it hit me the hardest.  Friday I took my last half day of vacation and went home to rest.  Saturday I took a 2 hour nap in the middle of the day and still went to bed at my normal time.  Sunday afternoon I ran all the trimmings from the edger through the chipper and made a giant pile of chips.  I'm still sore today.  I had Benjamin and Madeline out there with me helping.  They would bring me 1x trimmings and I will bring over the 2x material.  I'm beat!

I didn't see elderly in the article so it must be on Stacey's facebook page.  We were always taught to respect our elder(ly)s.

Austin

I wear "elderly" very proudly and it was almost 8000 9000 bf.  8965 bf to be exact.   :)

Quote from: Magicman on December 16, 2013, 08:59:33 AM

Quote from: thecfarm on December 15, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
Magicman,I liked this part,
Professional sawyer Lynn Davis    8) 

I noticed that I am also "elderly".   ;D

One correction might be noted.  The $5,000 expense contributions were used to offset the actual traveling and sawing expenses.  After those were paid, then the balance was given to the Blacks to offset prior and future expenses.

that was very very nice  again thanks    MM in my book you are only as old as you feel :D :D :D

Now we KNOW what the "Magic" is all about...

Quote from: Magicman on December 16, 2013, 02:27:08 PM
I wear "elderly" very proudly and it was almost 8000 9000 bf.  8965 bf to be exact.   :)

Oh yeah, like 8000 wasn't enough! :D  Yup, apologies ... my mistake!  9000 bf!!

Quote from: coxy on December 16, 2013, 02:43:38 PMMM in my book you are only as old as you feel

Now I gots to get Pat to feel of me to check my age.   :o

Quote from: Magicman on December 16, 2013, 08:32:49 PM

Quote from: coxy on December 16, 2013, 02:43:38 PMMM in my book you are only as old as you feel

Now I gots to get Pat to feel of me to check my age.   :o

I wonder if this will make the paper?
:D

Kinda depends on whose book the paper is in.

I did, she did, and we ain't tellin'.   :D

MM, this is not getting pretty....bg

Quote from: Bill Gaiche on December 16, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
MM, this is not getting pretty....bg 

;D  Naw, looks like she is keeping me no matter how old I look.   :D

I was thinking back on were we were a week ago and us old codgers working pretty good together.  Good friends, good fellowship, good food, and good logs.  smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup

Ole codgers can getter done sometimes. bg

By the way, where would she find another Magicman? bg

any word on the other news paper article?

It is a weekly newspaper and they promised us a copy.  Hopefully Austin or Stacey can give an update.

Yes, we got a couple of copies of the Wednesday paper.  It had some really humorous mistakes in it but past that he did a good job.  I think it was titled "A "Black" Christmas gets brighter".  Oh BOY!  Also, apparently we are saving the bark to use inside the house.  There is lots of other stuff too but overall he did a very good job.....just doesn't know anything about construction. 

I don't know if the lady that scanned the first one will be able to scan the second one. 

thanks
Austin

Ah ha, that is where the bark was going.  I even noticed that the dog had lost his bark and had gone silent.   :D

I look forward to seeing that paper.   8)

wwsjr (Willie Steele) and I both received a nice gesture from Wood-Mizer.  We each received three Resharp Certificates.

Logrite and Wood-Mizer both recognized that this project was about helping a family that had suffered a tragedy with their new home.  They joined with more than 80 Forestry Forum members to be a part of the team that successfully provided the framing lumber for their new home.

Thanks to both of these Forestry Forum Sponsors for providing their support and generosity.

Quote from: Magicman on December 20, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
wwsjr (Willie Steele) and I both received a nice gesture from Wood-Mizer.  We each received three Resharp Certificates.

Logrite and Wood-Mizer both recognized that this project was about helping a family that had suffered a tragedy with their new home.  They joined with more than 80 Forestry Forum members to be a part of the team that successfully provided the framing lumber for their new home.

Thanks to both of these Forestry Forum Sponsors for providing their support and generosity.

Thank you woodmizer, logrite, and the numerous members who made this all possible. We all know that if not for Lynn and Willie, it never would have happened. Y'all make us proud..  8)  8)

Great accomplishment so far.

I look forward to the time when we can see this family in their new home.  8)

Some how, some way, some time... maybe we can help make that happen.

Great job by the sponsors to support the humanitarian venture and two well deserving folks!

Its great that Wood-Mizer and Logrite have shown that they care about helping in a time of need. Hope that there are more good gestures from others in the future. This is what makes this a great country that we live in when people can come together and help someone in need. bg

You guys are very very close to being Grumpy Old Men  :D.

But.. but I didn't think they were old.... ;D

Quote from: beenthere on December 20, 2013, 10:16:44 PM
But.. but I didn't think they were old.... ;D

They don't think so either  ;)

This post ranks at the top of a lot of great posts on the FF over the years. 

Great work guys!

SS

X2...This was an awesome project.

Dear FF Members.  During this entire project I have been in receipt of the kindest and most heart warming letters and notes, and many times, I have had to pause and compose myself before continuing to read.  Another of which I received today.  The outpouring of love has been beyond comprehension.

I know that the Austin Black family thanks you but I want to add a personal Thank You.  Your kind words of encouragement have blessed me beyond measure.

Just finished reading this whole thread.  Awesome job Y'all!

Maybe we can get an update how the build went.
hugs,  Brandi

Here you go Brandi:  phoenix / goodwill rebuild in Sawmills and Milling (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=73722.msg1116559#msg1116559)

It must be noted that two of our "Goodwill Sawing Members" are now In Memoriam.  Sadly we have lost both Willie Steele (wwsjr) and Andy White.  May their memories forever be cherished here on the Forestry Forum.  They will forever remain in my heart.

Quote from: Magicman on February 12, 2019, 09:18:06 PM
Here you go Brandi:  phoenix / goodwill rebuild in Sawmills and Milling (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=73722.msg1116559#msg1116559)

It must be noted that two of our "Goodwill Sawing Members" are now In Memoriam.  Sadly we have lost both Willie Steele (wwsjr) and Andy White.  May their memories forever be cherished here on the Forestry Forum.  They will forever remain in my heart.
Thanks Lynn.  Oh wow, sad news indeed.
    hugs,  Brandi