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Title: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 24, 2013, 06:46:04 PM
We cut a nice red oak today it had around 1800 feet in the old red

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: EricR on October 24, 2013, 07:08:09 PM
did you load that with your skid steer
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 24, 2013, 07:28:20 PM
Yep loaded it with my 232 cat skid steer it's a strong little loader I load the big ones one end at a time hear is another pic

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: thecfarm on October 24, 2013, 07:30:57 PM
As I say,I can hear it groaning from here. I make my NH tractor groan a lot too. That is a big oak. I had ALOT of white pine that size.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 24, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
Hear is another pic it was 30 inches at the tip

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: beenthere on October 24, 2013, 07:37:47 PM
A lotta firewood in that one...  ;)
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 24, 2013, 07:48:00 PM
I do split all my end pieces up in to firewood but that big boy went to the mill :-)
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 24, 2013, 07:51:09 PM
What was it at the stump?
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 24, 2013, 07:57:34 PM
Around 52 inches it was pretty consistent from the but to the log
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 24, 2013, 08:13:40 PM
That truck load was a little over 2200 feet and could have hauled a little more lol
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 24, 2013, 08:23:37 PM
I cut a lot of 40 you don't see many 50 plus 

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 24, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
 

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 24, 2013, 08:42:09 PM
Them are some nice oaks
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 24, 2013, 08:51:36 PM
 

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 24, 2013, 09:04:17 PM
Nice dozer. I'd like to have one like that. Easier on steep slopes than a skidder. Be nice to put skid roads in also.
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Post by: mesquite buckeye on October 24, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Those all look pretty nice. ;D

Looks like they grew really fast too.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: CX3 on October 24, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
That is a dandy. I probably cut my largest red oak today. It was 32 at 8'  and had 6 logs in it. Dont really know the footage of it. Pretty big for around here though. Nice trees keep the pics comin I enjoy them
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Post by: shortlogger on October 24, 2013, 10:18:44 PM
That's some nice timber , is it coming out of the ridges around here you only find hardwood that big in the creek bottoms
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: barbender on October 24, 2013, 10:56:50 PM
Wow! You guys grow some huge hardwood :o
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: terry f on October 25, 2013, 05:12:27 AM
   Is there a reason that most hardwoods seem to be cut backwards, where the wedge is taken out of the log instead of the stump.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Kemper on October 25, 2013, 10:50:32 AM
Might be cutting the stump so low the notch has to go there. I prefer my notch to be on the log side, but since we got our feller buncher I don't do much notching anymore.

Quote from: terry f on October 25, 2013, 05:12:27 AM
   Is there a reason that most hardwoods seem to be cut backwards, where the wedge is taken out of the log instead of the stump.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 25, 2013, 11:08:14 AM
Yes low stumps to maximize footage. And the veneer. .I never saw a humbolt cut until ax men came on tv.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 25, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
You also don't need to lug around a big bar. We cut everything with 20 inch bar.open face bore cut is all that's used around here.they grow like that in all different terrain .theres little mechanized logging here.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: beenthere on October 25, 2013, 11:37:37 AM
QuoteIs there a reason that most hardwoods seem to be cut backwards, where the wedge is taken out of the log instead of the stump.

Likely has to do with softwood cutting in the West, and the fact that lumber lengths were in 2' increments. Mills were not happy having a 16' log (16'6") that because of a notch had to knock off 2' at the lumber trimmer. So it was passed on down the line that butts couldn't have a felling notch removed or the log would be scaled back 2' at the scaling station (used to be done by scaler before weight scaling happened). That quickly meant the loggers would get penalized so the fellers were instructed to use the humboldt notch so the 2' scale deduction couldn't apply for that reason.

Whereas in the East, most logs were hardwood converted lumber sold random length. More length on the log butt end meant more wood, so to speak.

Many variations and reasons likely spin off from some generalizations of the two customs.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Ed_K on October 25, 2013, 07:33:41 PM
That was a real nice tree  8) .Any red oak 40" plus up here will be all spider cracked.
One thing I was wondering about is your truck,is it pointing towards home?I always set my truck pointing out,just in case.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: mesquite buckeye on October 26, 2013, 01:21:06 AM
Lots of root swell and hard cutting. We try to cut them really low, so not much place to go with the angle cut but up unless it is on a mountain or a gully slope. ::)
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: ga jones on October 26, 2013, 10:28:51 PM
Cut some nice ones today.

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Knute on October 29, 2013, 08:41:08 PM
I do it that way because it is easier. I'm not a big guy, and cutting at a upward angle is a little more difficult. May also be because hardwoods have a tendency to flare out at the bottom.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on November 08, 2013, 06:29:33 PM
Here is one of 2 loads I hauled today some big ones I had 2581 feet on that load very heavy load lol 

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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: David-L on November 09, 2013, 06:42:25 AM
Hi Birchwood, So what motor is in the truck and does it have a two speed rearend. That is a working truck for sure. Is the frame beefed up, is it a f700.

                                                                 David



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Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on November 09, 2013, 07:51:45 AM
It's a strong old truck it's a 79 f700 with a 3208 cat motor 5 speed with 2 speed rear it has a double frame and air brakes one of the best trucks I have ever had it hauled that load no problem I had 2581 feet on it more than some haul on a tandem love them old fords
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: barbender on November 09, 2013, 10:20:58 AM
You're playing with fire hauling that much on a single axle :o You're not just taking chances with yourself, but everyone else on the road. I'd guess you're approaching 40,000 pounds, your frame might handle it but tires are your weak link.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Jamie_C on November 09, 2013, 11:15:17 AM
He is probably over the GVWR of the truck by about 50% ... that's just asking for trouble
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: LaegersATC500R on November 09, 2013, 01:56:32 PM
DOT would have a field day with us if we ran that truck here. At least get yourself some new rear springs with the money you made today. Old springs due break due to age and metal fatigue. Have you checked for any cracked leafs? You break a spring pack and the weight will shift to one side. Then you are ......... Then you can kiss that good ol truck good bye if you don't die in the accident.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: barbender on November 09, 2013, 02:21:00 PM
Birchwood, I'm not trying to pick on you either, I like a good full load as much as anyone. I just think you are overloading to the point of something failing on you. My Grandpa used to have a single axle Ford 700 that he put a flatbed on and hauled his JD450 loader/backhoe around on top of it. I suppose it was 20-22,000 lb machine with the hoe on it. He had a new pair of duals blow out, I suppose one blew and took out the other, but the end result was he lost both tires on the one side. He got it stopped, but barely. High pucker factor for sure.
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: Birchwood Logging on November 09, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
Yes I was hauling to big of a load I don't plan on hauling any more loads that big on my little truck I don't want to take a chance on hurting any one or my self I will stick to my normal 1800 foot loads
Title: Re: Large red oak
Post by: LaegersATC500R on November 09, 2013, 07:19:26 PM
Don't get me wrong my friend, I'm not picking on you but what I see is not good. Just giving you some constructive criticism.