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Title: Removing water from oil..
Post by: chain on November 13, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
I have a farm utility tractor with hydraulic lift the oil is milky, obviously mixed with water. Drained transmission , gear housings, etc. oil mixed again with water. Finally found the water intrusion, the tractor floor plate bolts were allowing rainwater to seep in.

The question is  as I have about 20 gallons of 'milky oil' stored in five gallon containers is there a filtering system that could remove water from the oil?
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: Dave Shepard on November 13, 2013, 07:21:29 PM
There are systems that have two mesh filter canisters and a pump designed to do just that. I don't know where you would find one to use, and I wouldn't want to buy one.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: beenthere on November 13, 2013, 07:30:32 PM
Probably cheapest to just replace the oil.
Maybe find a farmer that is changing old hydraulic oil for new and then use the old oil to run through the system for a short period, as likely there will still be some water/oil remaining in the system.
Then at some point in time, replace the old oil with new oil.

Here are several methods discussed, one of which is just heating the oil and "boiling" off the water.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/503/removing-water-in-oil
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: RayMO on November 13, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
I wonder if you could freeze the water to seperate from oil ???
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: Tree Killer on November 13, 2013, 07:50:24 PM
Probably it wood be best to replace the oil, but I wonder if you let it sit and the water wood settle to the bottom ? Then u could pour the oil off the top.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: redprospector on November 13, 2013, 08:07:33 PM
Your best bet to salvage the oil is what Tree Killer said.
Let it sit (this may take quite some time), the water and oil will separate.
It's best to drain the water off the bottom, when oil comes out, you're good. Filter it, strain it, or something before you put it back in a hydraulic system.

Andy
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: luvmexfood on November 13, 2013, 08:52:39 PM
I had a similar problem and replaced the oil. Had it setting in an old shed and looked at it about 2 weeks later and the hyd oil looked new. Still not going to use it.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: ga jones on November 13, 2013, 09:57:53 PM
The water will seperate from the oil. The oil is Lighter than water. The water will be on the bottom. You need to put it in something with a bottom drain. Let it sit a week or two then drain off the water until the oil flows.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: chain on November 14, 2013, 07:00:46 AM
The oil appears homogenized like a cream. I suppose the pressure, heat, and circulation throughout the tractor [valves & pumps] did the mixing. But this tractor sets up for long periods especially in winter.

Was thinking, freezing temps could solidify the water at the bottom of waste-oil buckets, then drain oil off top?
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: dboyt on November 14, 2013, 09:29:36 AM
Even if it is milky, it will eventually separate out.  A couple of years ago, I had a hydraulic pump split apart because the water in the oil expanded.  Thanks for reminding me to check on that before cold weather sets in again.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: Jim_Rogers on November 14, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
I tried to make a oil water separator jug but putting in a drain valve but I couldn't get a good seal.

So I just waited until winter. The jug froze and the water was ice, poured off the oil.

the oil was junk but it burn up in the fire ok.

I didn't have and don't have a good place to get rid if drain oil so I just burn it in my wood stove.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: loggah on November 14, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
It will separate, and if you leave it out in the cold the water will go to the bottom of the barrel and freeze. lots of guys with waste oil furnaces use this method.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: leot on November 14, 2013, 07:19:29 PM
I had the same problem in a farm tractor.  I used Air-line antifreeze.  It worked real well.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: luvmexfood on November 14, 2013, 08:39:50 PM
When I used to do a lot of woodworking I had this big heavy wood stove I built back in high school welding shop. I would take my used motor oil and funnel it back into the plastic quart jugs. When I was in the shop working I would build a wood fire and when it got going good throw in a plastic quart of used oil and shut the door. Good heat.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: thecfarm on November 14, 2013, 08:42:45 PM
I have heard of setting up a barrel and a metal line and just having a tickle of oil to burn with some wood.
Title: Re: Removing water from oil..
Post by: Jim_Rogers on November 15, 2013, 09:04:20 AM
I use the drip in method, as well.

Jim Rogers