I'm picking up my new Timberking 2200 on Monday. 8) 8) 8) We're starting the long journey to KC early sunday morning. My buddy that is taggin along with me, wants to get some of the famous Kansas City BBQ while we are out there. Anyone have any suggestions of what place we should try.
Congrats on the new mill.
Congratulations on the new mill. Ive only been to KC once but stopped at LCs BBQ its on Blue Parkway, it was amazing have to try the burndt end sandwich
I would be excited to think of eating. ;D A non stop trip from NJ to KC. :D
Quote from: thecfarm on January 10, 2014, 09:03:11 PM
I would be excited to think of eating. ;D A non stop trip from NJ to KC. :D
I'm never too excite to eat. haha We are going stop in St. Louis on the way out but we are going to drive straight through coming back. I won't feel safe leaving my mill anywhere besides my barn for now. 17 hours haul! Here we come!
Quote from: MIsawyer on January 10, 2014, 08:55:47 PM
Congratulations on the new mill. Ive only been to KC once but stopped at LCs BBQ its on Blue Parkway, it was amazing have to try the burndt end sandwich
Thank you for the recommendation I'll have to give it a go!
If you have time Arthur Bryant's is a good one and Smoke House by the Independence
center is real good. I live in KC Mo so know lots of BBQ places, but Will can show you
a few places close to there place. Do you know what time you will be at Timberking?
I just might come over and meet you two.
Sawwood
It's NOT TOO LATE, INDIANAPOLIS!!! ORANGE, ORANGE ORANGE!!!!! ;D
Just busting your chops. The TK is a mighty fine mill. One of my local competitors has one, a 1600 or maybe a 2000, not sure. I sure wish my WM had a chain turner...... :( If I turn a log a little too far I've got to turn it all the way around to get back to the face I want to cut.
Looks like you've got a pretty good operation going on over there, I'll need to come visit some time and talk shop.
Safe travels, and make sure you bring plenty of cash for the tolls! :o
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on January 10, 2014, 09:53:15 PM
It's NOT TOO LATE, INDIANAPOLIS!!! ORANGE, ORANGE ORANGE!!!!! ;D
Just busting your chops. The TK is a mighty fine mill. One of my local competitors has one, a 1600 or maybe a 2000, not sure. I sure wish my WM had a chain turner...... :( If I turn a log a little too far I've got to turn it all the way around to get back to the face I want to cut.
Looks like you've got a pretty good operation going on over there, I'll need to come visit some time and talk shop.
Safe travels, and make sure you bring plenty of cash for the tolls! :o
We love WM too. The cut throat was the deciding factor, we do so much live edge slabbing it would of been silly to not go with the widest we could get in our price range. You're welcome anytime, and hopefully someday we can work together on some big jobs!
JSwigga,
Don't know much about KC BBQ, but I know a little bit about a TK 2200. Your sawing world is getting ready to change. Hope you have a right good pile of logs. Better get the talon edger while you are there, you're going to need it. They can remove axle and load it right on the mill bed for you. ;D
Jimmy
Quote from: JSwigga on January 10, 2014, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on January 10, 2014, 09:53:15 PM
It's NOT TOO LATE, INDIANAPOLIS!!! ORANGE, ORANGE ORANGE!!!!! ;D
Just busting your chops. The TK is a mighty fine mill. One of my local competitors has one, a 1600 or maybe a 2000, not sure. I sure wish my WM had a chain turner...... :( If I turn a log a little too far I've got to turn it all the way around to get back to the face I want to cut.
Looks like you've got a pretty good operation going on over there, I'll need to come visit some time and talk shop.
Safe travels, and make sure you bring plenty of cash for the tolls! :o
We love WM too. The cut throat was the deciding factor, we do so much live edge slabbing it would of been silly to not go with the widest we could get in our price range. You're welcome anytime, and hopefully someday we can work together on some big jobs!
Yeah, big jobs would really rock! Right now, with the weather for the past few weeks any jobs would rock... Oh well, part of the business I guess. Here's to drier weather and warmer temps! SOON!!
Quote from: mudhog on January 10, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
JSwigga,
Don't know much about KC BBQ, but I know a little bit about a TK 2200. Your sawing world is getting ready to change. Hope you have a right good pile of logs. Better get the talon edger while you are there, you're going to need it. They can remove axle and load it right on the mill bed for you. ;D
Jimmy
I've been debating an edger for awhile. Might just look for a used one.
We have around 200 logs waiting to get milled so I can feed for while.
JSwigga,
When do you plan to be at TK? Are they going to take you through the operation and maintenance orientation? That should take a little bit of time. I usually stand back, don't want to drool on that new paint. ;D ;D
Don't know if they still do the manufacturing in the underground place or not. If they do, it's kind of neat to see.
Congratulations on your new TK Mill ;D.
I am especially envious of being able to collect ex factory. :'(
PS
What was mined outta the caverns TK use for Will's video presentations, limestone for building perhaps?.
As I had noticed the unusual walls in the background.
Marcus
Congratulations on your new mill. Hope you have a good trip.
Congratulations on the new mill and, have a safe trip!
I'm pretty sure it was limestone that was quarried out of there. I'm seriously claustrophobic, so I don't like going underground, but I think their facility is pretty neat. Congrats on the new mill. Don't forget to share some pics when you are up and running. 8)
BTW, Orange has a mill with a 34" throat. ;)
Very nice, travel safe.
DGDrls
Quote from: Dave Shepard on January 11, 2014, 09:25:34 AM
I'm pretty sure it was limestone that was quarried out of there. I'm seriously claustrophobic, so I don't like going underground, but I think there facility is pretty neat. Congrats on the new mill. Don't forget to share some pics when you are up and running. 8)
BTW, Orange has a mill with a 34" throat. ;)
i have a few problems with the wide head lt 70. First of all its 10 plus thousand more than the TK. They didn't beef up the log deck at all for handling bigger logs, and it's much lighter than the TK. Everyone once and while we would roll a big log onto a lt 40 and the head would really get shook. I know over time that isn't going to be good for an extended cantilever. Plus the trailer only has single axle, 4 feet shorter and i'm not sure if it has breaks or not. I think they will redesign the wide head trailer in the near future.
Quote from: Tom the Sawyer on January 11, 2014, 01:19:01 AM
JSwigga,
When do you plan to be at TK? Are they going to take you through the operation and maintenance orientation? That should take a little bit of time. I usually stand back, don't want to drool on that new paint. ;D ;D
They have an orientation and training session for all new mill buyers. We'll be there around 9 am on monday.
I respect your decision to go with a TK, but I doubt they are going to redesign the 70. It will take anything you can throw at it. Just because someone makes a mill with more steel, doesn't mean they have used that steel wisely. The single axle is sufficient, and has brakes. There is a bit of "backlash" in the WM heads. They wobble, it's not a problem. :)
ETA: I'm not trying to get you to change your mind about the TK, I'm just trying to dispel any myths about the WM. A lot of people, almost all of them who have never owned a WM, have something to say about the cantileaver head. It's just not an issue.
JSwigga: Congrats on getting your mill. You certainly have many enjoyable years sawing ahead of you. Dont forget some pics!
when I bought my TK B-20, I went to KC to pick it up. Before I left Florida I asked about the bbq and where to eat, they told me don't worry, they would treat me to the best KC bbq. Believe me it was fantastic. Ask them to take you to bbq, they probably will.
The crew at TK are some of the best people to do business with, any problems I have had with my B-20, they where there to help.
Congrats on the new mill
A lot of us like our 4 post mills and I think TK uses the steel wisely, there has to be a limit how wide a cantilevered head can go as even WM uses a 4 post on their industrial mills. One thing about a 4 poster is the blade has to stay level with the bed even after thousands of hours of use without having to adjust anything. Steve
Quote from: Dave Shepard on January 11, 2014, 12:11:19 PM
I respect your decision to go with a TK, but I doubt they are going to redesign the 70. It will take anything you can throw at it. Just because someone makes a mill with more steel, doesn't mean they have used that steel wisely. The single axle is sufficient, and has brakes. There is a bit of "backlash" in the WM heads. They wobble, it's not a problem. :)
ETA: I'm not trying to get you to change your mind about the TK, I'm just trying to dispel any myths about the WM. A lot of people, almost all of them who have never owned a WM, have something to say about the cantileaver head. It's just not an issue.
I've run a lt40 for a few years and don't get me wrong it's a great mill. I'm just worried about that lt70 wide head holding up over time. The 4 post just gives me more piece of mind. But really the price gap is the main issue. It's not just couple thousand more it's like 15,000 more.
Quote from: ladylake on January 11, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
A lot of us like our 4 post mills and I think TK uses the steel wisely, there has to be a limit how wide a cantilevered head can go as even WM uses a 4 post on their industrial mills. One thing about a 4 poster is the blade has to stay level with the bed even after thousands of hours of use. Steve
Which industrial mill? The WM1000 is then only one I know of that doesn't use a cantileaver. Periodic checks of alignment make sure the cantileaver can also go tens of thousands of hours.
To me it's just getting to be a lot of weight hanging out there as WM mills get bigger and for sure with routine maintenance they will cut good lumber Steve
Congrats on 2200 look forward to seeing it and reading about your adventure.
If you need anything or need to know anything when your around St.Louis.
Send me a pm I will send you my number
Dave
Congrats on the 2200 purchase, I'm sure it will be a fantastic mill. I will be in the same boat when I pick up the lt35hyd in 2 months. Both are great companies, I don't think you can go wrong with either!
After you pick up your mill swing down to my place and set it up. I've got about fifty ugly logs that need cutting and I'm way behind.
Congrats on the new sawmill and have a safe journey. :D Be sure to take some pictures. smiley_thumbsup
You said it very well Mr. Hunz smiley_thumbsup
Congrats JSwigga many years of happy sawing( oh yes we need pictures) smiley_big-grin2
So, how many times did you stop for BBQ? :D
They probably won't be back home until sometime tomorrow - 18 hours drive time.
I'm late to the party, but just in case I'll throw out Oklahoma Joe's. Despite the name, it is legit KC BBQ. They've got (at least) 2 locations in the metro and have my favorite ribs, fantastic burnt ends (these are different than rib-tips) and ... I'm gonna stop now otherwise I'll have to drive an hour each way to go get some... - Ryan
Congrats on your new mill! I saw the pictures on Facebook. It looks like your so excited that your smile forced your eyes closed (or staring straight into the sun :)) Anyways, safe travels back. When you get set up, Delaware Jack and I should come round for a visit. Early February work for you?
What HP engine does the 2200 come w/.... even after having my 1600 for over a year now.. still get excited about spending the day milling. Congrats on the new mill.. how are you ever going to sleep once you get it home. Safe travels.
Congrats on the new mill! Looking forward to pix
We arrived at Timberking around 930/10 and to my surprise Tom the Sawyer, a fellow forum member , was there to meet up and check out my mill. His experience with TK mills was very helpful! We even had a kodak moment together! hahaha Tom thanks for keeping my dad occupied while we were messing with the mill!
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And even got to see another forum members 2200 getting its final decals.
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Next I had my training and familiarization session with Jason the TK guru.
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After Jason showed us around the mill and highlighted some main features we got to make some ash sawdust! Getting used to the command station is going to take some time!
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I love this picture
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All hooked up and ready to make the 1200 mile trip! (I had to get a brake controller installed. Thank god the truck was prewired)
The tundra did a great job towing it up and down all the hills!
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We finally made it back! All in one piece! Left at 4pm central time yesterday and 21 hours later we arrived home around 130pm eastern time . The drive was fairly uneventful except for a bad rain storm in WV.
Quote from: kensfarm on January 14, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
What HP engine does the 2200 come w/.... even after having my 1600 for over a year now.. still get excited about spending the day milling. Congrats on the new mill.. how are you ever going to sleep once you get it home. Safe travels.
It's a 49 HP kubota diesel/
One last step. Saw (try to saw) a backstop, and you're officially in the Brotherhood of Bandmillers! ;)
You'll run out of logs before you know it.
Now the fun begins, Take your time and you will be sawing fast in no time. Did you get a hat? :D
Quote from: thecfarm on January 14, 2014, 06:46:37 PM
Now the fun begins, Take your time and you will be sawing fast in no time. Did you get a hat? :D
I got 4 and even a pink one for my sister! haha
Gotta keep them women happy. :)
Wow nice!!! mill and great pix. May sawdust not be the only thing to fill your pockets.
Josh,
I enjoyed meeting you and your dad. Glad the trip home went well, I imagine most of the sawdust had blown off by the time you hit the rain. You should consider posting some of those beautiful slab photos he has. That was the first time I had seen a 2200 in action - very impressive. Your dad took most of the photos but he didn't escape all of them...
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Where these still sitting along I-70 when you went by?
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Quote from: Delawhere Jack on January 14, 2014, 06:39:09 PM
One last step. Saw (try to saw) a backstop, and you're officially in the Brotherhood of Bandmillers! ;)
:D :D :D Sound advice!!! :D :D :D
Great looking mill, JSwigga. Thanks for the pictures and writeup.
Congrats on the mill and on getting it home safely . Enjoy making some saw dust .
Congrats on the Sawmill and thanks for the pictures. Now let the sawdust begin. :)
Congrats! That's a great looking mill. And glad you had a safe trip as well. Now knock some of the shine off it so it doesn't hurt everybody's eyes. ;D
Wow! Your going to make a lot of sawdust in short time. Congrats!
That sure is a purty mill. Congrats 8) 8)
YH
Did you come through Columbia about noon on your way back?
Congrats on the new mill, and thanks for the pictures.
Allan
Quote from: Tom the Sawyer on January 14, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
Where these still sitting along I-70 when you went by?
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That picture was taken some months back from the looks of the green. Were they about 10 miles east of Columbia on the north side of I70? If so, I've not seen them in a while.
Good luck with the mill and thanks for the great photos. Did you decide if you are going to put plates on it?
Bibby,
They were still there in August (the last time I went by). They were huge logs, probably 42"x18'. I called the guy, I don't remember the name of the company but they log in that area and were looking to attract business. Most people passing by wouldn't give them a second thought but it you have a sawmill it definitely gets your attention. smiley_sweat_drop
It probably would have been dusk or later before they went through Columbia on Monday.
Looks like you got all the bells and whistles!! It's a dream machine for sure. Congrats.
Quote from: John S on January 15, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
Good luck with the mill and thanks for the great photos. Did you decide if you are going to put plates on it?
thank you! Yes I'm going to get plates for it.
Quote from: Bibbyman on January 15, 2014, 06:56:02 AM
Did you come through Columbia about noon on your way back?
We didn't hit Columbia until about 4am if I remember correctly.
Quote from: Tom the Sawyer on January 14, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
Josh,
I enjoyed meeting you and your dad. Glad the trip home went well, I imagine most of the sawdust had blown off by the time you hit the rain. You should consider posting some of those beautiful slab photos he has. That was the first time I had seen a 2200 in action - very impressive. Your dad took most of the photos but he didn't escape all of them...
Yea it was very clean by the time we got home! I was still fired up and excited to run it but my Dad just wanted to go to sleep! hahaha. He can't hang anymore!
The log looked to be pin oak - or as we call them, water oak. Likely a yard removal tree. I wouldn't have let them roll it off the trailer at my mill let alone pay money for it.
We were about 15 miles east of Columbia about noon heading west when I caught a glance at what looked to be a new TimberKing heading east. My best guess it was a 1400 but I didn't get a good enough look to be sure.
Quote from: Bibbyman on January 16, 2014, 01:23:16 PM
The log looked to be pin oak - or as we call them, water oak. Likely a yard removal tree. I wouldn't have let them roll it off the trailer at my mill let alone pay money for it.
We were about 15 miles east of Columbia about noon heading west when I caught a glance at what looked to be a new TimberKing heading east. My best guess it was a 1400 but I didn't get a good enough look to be sure.
They shipped out a 1600 while we were there. I'm sure that was it.
I know you were in a hurry to get home but you could have stopped in at the Wood-Mizer headquarters in Indianapolis and took a tour. They would have probably given you a couple of blades to try out.
Congrats on the new mill.
Finally got to run the mill today. Got into some big poplar logs.
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This log was about 30" in diameter.
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26" wide cant
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And? and? what did ya think??
forgot this side shot of me milling a big pine.
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They ain't big no more.
Quote from: SawyerBrown on January 18, 2014, 07:40:59 PM
And? and? what did ya think??
So far I really like it. I love the controls and the hydraulics work great! With that being said there are a few things on the mill I'm not too crazy about. The drag back needs work. They welded 3 pieces of plate steel for the boards to land on and slide off the mill (you can see it in the top pictures). The gaps on the side are too big. Smaller boards fall down in there and get wedged in the mill. They should weld two more plates on either side to stop that from happening. I'm going to modify that for sure.
I've been enjoying all the pictures of your shiny new mill and wishing I had one of those diesels on my 2000.
I did notice you got the dragback option.
You might want to add this
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before you do this.
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Of course nobody has ever accused me of being graceful.
Your right about the gaps in the dragback bed. I put in a roller table but sometimes that gave the boards too much action. Adding a couple of slats is probably the best solution.
I modified the actual dragback to make a swinging frame type arrangement. It was a big improvement. I'll have to get some pictures next time I get a big log on. In that second picture my mill has the old style fingers...I suggested they needed a hinge >:( and Will sent me a new hinged set. :)
Now those are what I call logs!
I added the drag back on my 2000. like Larry show you the lens on the tail light broke twice now. I'm going to redrill the holes lower and drop the light down about an ½". great looking mill, I know you will be happy with it.
Very nice logs .Neat mill too.
Yea my drag back is hinged. Thats great that Will sent you a new set. That was one of the reasons I wanted to pick my mill up in person. I wanted to meet the people at TK. They were all very nice and helpful.
Are there any other little tips or tricks I should know about?
Here's some threads that may be of interest to you:
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,67627.0.html
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,68796.msg1032188.html#msg1032188j
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,57926.0.html
Happy reading! :)
I love the taller two plane clamp. I can see doing that mod in the future. TK must of read some of these threads because they added throttle control from the command station.
Are the 3 plates in the bed frame for the board drag back welded or bolted to the frame?
Since the drag back is retrofitable (or so I believe) I would guess they are bolted.
Of course if the plates are standard on all the TK mills, even without dragback, then they are most likely welded on I would guess.
Well I finally had the chance to run my mill all week long. The mill ran flawlessly, no issues with the machine. 8) I haven't had any problems with the set works. There are a couple of design issues. The blade tensioner gets in the way of the guide roller if it is straight up and down. The bolt on the top of the drag back will sometimes get hung up on the top guide roller bolt. The fine adjust jack in between the log loader broke when we loaded a heavy log. That jack is going to take the brunt of most of the weight when loading logs so I replaced it with a 12 ton jack. I went to a trade show last weekend. Woodmizer was there and the lt40 seems so small to me now. Still a great machine but this tk is a beast! So all said and done I'm very happy with the mill.
Jswigga...That's a top notch saw! congratulations. 8) 8)
Quote from: JSwigga on February 26, 2014, 03:54:41 PM
Woodmizer was there and the lt40 seems so small to me now. Still a great machine but this tk is a beast! So all said and done I'm very happy with the mill.
I've gotten my LT40 into some places that no beast would dare attempt to squeeze into. Just sayin'. :)
It will only get better :)
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on February 26, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: JSwigga on February 26, 2014, 03:54:41 PM
Woodmizer was there and the lt40 seems so small to me now. Still a great machine but this tk is a beast! So all said and done I'm very happy with the mill.
I've gotten my LT40 into some places that no beast would dare attempt to squeeze into. Just sayin'. :)
True... If I was only doing custom sawyer work for other people the smaller trailer would be nice.
Nice mill, looks like the dragback can be folded up out of the way, if so that's a nice feature. Don't worry about it being a beast, on the rare occasion you couldn't get the mill into a spot the logs can be moved . Steve
Sometimes even "baby" sawmills need help.
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Here mine is getting a tow with a 450 JD.
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Up the muddy hill it went.
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We then unhooked and I parked the sawmill with my truck.
I can confirm it, that thing is a BEAST! :o
Made a trip to Jersey today to look at a pickup truck and stopped by Josh's place on the way home. Got to meet Josh, his brother Dom and their father. Great folks. Got a tour of the operation too, quite impressive. They've got a little bit of everything wood wise, and a ton of wide slabs.
I was impressed by how quiet the TK ran, then it dawned on me, I wasn't walking along with the saw head with my ears two feet from the engine. :D
I'll be sure to keep my "little" LT40 away from that beast. I'm half convinced it would eat an LT40 and poop LT10's...
it was nice to meet you! Hopefully next time you come up its a little less muddy. You even got to see me throw a blade off the mill! what fun! haha
Bait a hook with a new sawmill and no telling how many folks you will catch. ;D