Anyone out there that deals with BIG logs, I have some questions.
We might have some BIG logs located. Lets say from 48" small end, to 120" small end.
We will have to sell them, and the mill we first started selling to was "getting" to us.
He buys using the International scale, and pays $2.00 bd/ft in the log.
As we all know, once you get to 23" dia, International and Doyle are pert near equal in scale.
I been playing with the calcitraters, using log volume, and, at 48" dia, you get 1325 ft Intl. and 1452 ft. Doyle. All figures are for a 12' log. As we get larger, the numbers go up drastically.
A 60" log has 2086 Intl. and 2352 Doyle. A 72" has 3020 Intl. and 3468 Doyle. An 84" has 4125 Intl. and 4800 Doyle. A 96" has 5402 Intl. and 6348 Doyle.
What would you guys do as far as dealing with this buyer???
1. Ask for Doyle scale over 24" ???
2. Ask for .50 across the board for anything over 24" using Intl. scale ???
3. Look for another buyer ???
4. Sell out and get a goobermint job and have time off to enjoy life a little ??? ::) ::) ::)
Fla-_,
Have you given up on building your swing blade saw? If your logs were in lumber, would you have a market?
Could you have the buyers come out and "bid" on your logs?
Hi "D". We have more solid logs now than we know what to do with. Can't seem to find that buyer that everyone says is looking for what we have. ::) ::)
Anything over 6', we will have to store at a shipyard, where they have the crane to lift the big logs. Buyers would probably come and look. That was one option I didn't really want to get into.
Time and money have the "Swinger" on hold.
I would look into putting an ad in "LUMBERMEN'S" to find buyers. You could put an ad on the web or even put a log up for bid on Ebay. You can put a good resurve on it and it would not cost much even if it does not sell. The word would get out to people looking for that stuff. See what it would cost to put an ad in "SAWMILL AND WOODLOT".
Hire a swinger to saw them up. It may sell good enough to pay till you can get your own mill. Just a thinking.
ARKANSAWYER
I agree, a 10 foot wide log might not sell on E-BAY, though it certainly would generate many links of interest. I doubt the guy with the F-16 for a few million sold it on E-BAY, though anyone really interested would have called him up. Everyone all over the world saw it.
Been looking on the web, off and on, all day, for "lumbermens" ??? Only find marketing agencys for personnel, insurance companies and 2 retail outlets. Found a co-op type deal in Texas-Louisiana. Found a 4 Store Building Material Outlet in the Pacific Northwest. Got any more info on Lumbermens???
Guess I don't get it??? WHERE would someone put an ad on the web???
I have been checking Ebay for over 2 years. There are hardly ever any listings for Cypress. I listed Pecky boards and Solid Table slabs and NO bids, let alone reaching a reserve.
I have a listing on Woodweb. I have a listing on Agri-Seek. I have a listing on Wood-Planet. Stick-Trade has gone nuts with a membership of $295.00. I WAS a member of that for over a year. On-line Classifieds for wood are not plentiful, or, I'm too stoopid to locate them ???
Anyone need something built??? THAT I can do ??? ::) ::)
You're pretty much in a specialty market. Most mills can't handle that size of log. So, that will limit the number of buyers. Some of those logs sound to big for swingers.
Advertising the logs might be OK, but you're going to have to dig for another buyer. Have you ever tried the Southern Cypress Mfg Assn? I saw it listed on a search, thought maybe they should be people you should be talking to. They should know who uses that type of log.
Might want to try your sawmill division over at your state forestry dept.
www.lumbermenonline.com
Here is another place you could try http://www.amlumber.com/
2 excellent links. Thanks Guys. 8)
Hey F_DH, how about some pictures of these monster logs!
whats the timber?
Export it to Japan, for something like that they may be interested. Most of the export companies operate out of Longview, Washington. Its been a while since I have had any doings with export logs so I sam trying to remember names. Try searching for exporters around Washington and Oregon, there are some smaller outfits that would be interested. Also check around Coos Bay, Oregon. There is a Port Orford Cedar buyer there and Menasha Corp as well they both export. Rayonier does as well and they have operations in Oregon and Washington.
As usual, we haven't seen the logs, YET. The guy that HAS seen them, is out of town. I tried to contact him.
The logs are Heart Cypress. I do have pics from the Florida Archives showing logs that size, so, I KNOW they are out there. I will post pics as soon as I can find the log(s).
Till, I was thinking about the export thing. Thanks for bringing that up.
Japan would be convenient, Deadheader. The logs are probably lost on the bottom somewhere in the Pacific anyway. :D :D
Does that mean we might to salvage them more than once ??? ::) ::) ;D ;D
I heard about some gigantical Redwoods that are in the Pacific, that need to be salvaged. ::) ::)
Yeah! You'll probably find them in the same place. The other logs were used to float the Red Wood and the whole Kit 'n Kaboodle sank. Rumor has it that there is so much money to be made off of this deal that even politicians from North Carolina are vacating their jobs to search for the logs. ;D
In that case, maybe we should mount some torpedo tubes underneath the beams and go "help" those Politicians. ;) ;) :)
Harold,
There is a guy looking for spare logs who will saw up your big sticks free if you can get them up to NY or Ohio!
ARKANSAWYER
Arky, I saw that post. I been waitin for the DanGster to get back on here, and see if he would fly them logs up there. He's a chopper pilot, DonTcha know ::) ;D ;D ;D
I hope he has that chopper running soon. I believe that's why he hasn't posted lately. ;D ;D :D
I was about half asleep last night with the TV on the history channel. Talking about logging and logging history. Moving logs down river. The early days. Told about Mr. Weyerhauser who started out as a hand in a sawmill until it fell into hard times and then he borrowed money and bought out the sawmill and built his empire. Bought giant tracks of land from the Railroads. Then the loggers worked their way West until they found the BIG trees. The Douglas Fir, The Sequoia, and The Redwoods. Man, them loggers was some HARD workers. They had some vintage footage that was really interesting. Somewhere I dozed off but they was talking about another guy who also built an empire. They said he moved thousands of logs on the ocean, I believe, I'm pretty sure it wasn't down river because they was building giant RAFTS out of logs. Everything's fuzzy cause as I said I was falling asleep. I do remember the way he'd stack the logs, not end to end but by letting the ends overlap some and they'd tie it all to gether with giant length chains. I 'think' I saw some vintage footage of this. They were talking about how long, and how heavy them chains was. About that time I feel asleep.
Earlier while I was awake they showed logs going down rivers, the river rats, how dangerous it was, chopping in and working on spring boards, how they learned to top the 'big trees' before cutting them, skid roads, and how that let to the shanties, and the prostitutes of 'skid row', the steam donkey, how they'd rig to get logs down mountains, lots of stuff like that. Really interesting to a novice like myself.
Now, I do have a question. Most all of this I had heard of before, except the giant log rafts on the ocean. I'm pretty sure I think I was partially awake and they was really doing this, at least I THINK. Anybody else ever seen or heard of this other than that guy what was making them crazy claims, or was I dreaming.
One more thing, it's raining AGAIN, all day. Never seen or heard of nothing like all this rain for this time of the year. This morning I made the statement to my wife, "Where in the World is all this RAIN coming from" She looks at me, straight faced and says "From the SKY!"
Didnt't help my feelings, or attitude none at all!!!!!
Cktate,
"On trips back down the coast, Hercules often towed huge log rafts, laden with millions of board feet of Northwest timber, to Southern California mills. At other times, Hercules towed barges of bulk cargoes between other West Coast Ports, and to Hawaii. "
This tug was in use during the early 1900's.
Here's the link:
http://www.nps.gov/safr/local/herc.html
Below is a quote from another website:
"These rafts contained upwards of 6,000,000 feet each and are towed to a sawmill at San Diego."
http://www.twrps.com/ccor/benson.html
6,000,000 bf, how long with that take me to saw up?
Finally found a picture!
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/LogRaft_ColumbiaRiverOR_75700_copy%20opt.jpg)
from: http://www.steaminthewoods.com/RaftsShips.htm
You've got to go to this site, they have photos of the construction process.
stomping link
thanks
Thanks a bunch Gilman, that's what I saw on TV last night, but wanted to make sure I wasn't dreaming. :)
Your welcome Cktate, It's amazing what you are able to find on the internet when you're avoiding work.
They used to raft logs down the Susquehanna River in PA. I'm pretty sure they rafted them down the other big rivers like the Ohio and Mississippi.
On the older barns in the area, you can still find lumber and posts that have holes where they were attached to the rafts.
I've tried to get a couple members to check out the Susquehanna for sinkers. NO WAY !!! Y'all don't even have them water lizards up there. ::) ::) ::) ;D :D :D :D
Gilman, I can tell right off, me and you gonna be BUDDIES!!! Thinking alike like we do an all!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Fla., if you could find ya one of them sunk log rafts I'm a thinking you'd be set for life!!!! :D :D :D
Hey Ck, I've got it on tape, but I'm sure it will replay soon. ;)
CK, recently heard about a fleet of river boats that was sunk on purpose, a long time ago. We's gonna go have us a look-see. Might be able to sell them as Anteekeys. 8) ;D ;D ;D
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What, What ??? Got dandruff there Furby ??? ;D :D :D :D
:D :D :D
:P"Man has been a seafarer for at least 40,000 years, and must have used raft or boat on lakes and rivers at an even earlier date. Maritime archaeologists seek evidence for such activities from earliest times until written records predominate. Direct evidence for water transport is not available before 8,000 B.C. and is biased towards Egypt and Europe" :P
Fla
I'm thinkng I heard of someone taking logs out of the Susquehanna up around Williamsport. At one time, Williamsport was the lumber capital of the world, and had 29 sawmills. They had a log boom on the river that stretched for 8 miles. Maybe Den Socling could enlighten us.
A lot of that stuff gets flushed out every spring and when we have some of those massive floods. I would imagine a lot of those sinkers would be fairly recent stuff.
We don't have any lizards, but we do have some muskies that can be pretty mean if you get close to their nests.
Ron, you are probably right. When we went to jersey in May, my son was checking out the Susquehanna, when we crossed over on I95. He saw many logs along the bank. The water was very low. He said lots of them were square cut, no limbs or tops or stumps.
Muskies, huh ??? Don't think they will bother you, other than striking at the chrome regulator stuck in your mouth ::) :o ;D ;D
That river sure was muddy for being so low. Don't remember it being that muddy 30 years ago ???
If you were on I-95, you weren't even in PA when you crossed the Susquehanna. You were at the beginning of the Chesapeake Bay. There's probably all kinds of junk in there. :D Williamsport is about 150 miles north.
I think the river always looks like its down, when you're in MD. We've been having a real wet time for the 1 1/2 years. The muddy conditions must be from recent storms. You were also below the Holtwood dam. I believe its a hydro dam, and they may control river levels below that.
You get further north and you don't get too much mud, unless its a real hard rain.
Yep, Maryland for sure. :D :D Didn't know about the dam. Must be TONS of logs up against the dam. :o :o
Your Hardwood sinkers would be worth much more than this Pine and Cypress. Can't imagine why someone isn't doing this today. ::)
Just trying to figure out what ya mean about them river boats.
Ya gonna try and float the boats and then sell em, or just the wood?
With all due respect Deadheader, this one sounds a little nutty...............................even for you! ;D
But if ya need help................................. ::);) ;) ;D
Furby, once upon a time, a looonnnng time ago, all the folks that lived on the river, used small boats for transportation. They also used them as work boats. Some folks even had several boats (fleet), that they would use for crabbing and dragging nets. ;D ;D
These boats were around 25-28 feet long. There was a very small front deck, for shelter, maybe. The boats were completely open and most of them had flathead 4 or 6 cylinder inboard engines and a rudder from a straight steering tube, where the wheel was mounted flat, like a bus.
THIS is what we are going to look for. ;D ;D ;D I can get a picture the next time I am near the one that has been rebuilt with cypress that we sawed. 8)
Nutty ??? Wouldn't have it any other way. ;) ;) :) :) :)
Y'all can HAVE them "regular" jobs. ;D :D :D :D
Ah ha! Now I get ya! Was thinking a little bigger I guess. ::)
A pic would be great! ;)
I don't want one of them "regular" jobs!!!!! ;D