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General Forestry => Sawmills and Milling => Topic started by: bandmiller2 on May 05, 2014, 06:42:04 AM

Title: Blue stain
Post by: bandmiller2 on May 05, 2014, 06:42:04 AM
Have any of you fellas that lube with water ever tried putting a fungicide in the water to control the blues.?? Do you think it would help.??I cant try it, being a petro lubber unless I could find an oil based fungicide. Frank C.
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: drobertson on May 05, 2014, 07:04:56 AM
Never have heard of it before, can I ask, what blue you are talking about?
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: bandmiller2 on May 05, 2014, 07:09:53 AM
Blue stain on white pine when cut in warmer weather. Frank C.
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: drobertson on May 05, 2014, 07:11:37 AM
Oh,, only cut a dab of white pine, no blue to speak of, but I remember a very brilliant green mold that appeared like in one day,
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: Chuck White on May 05, 2014, 08:19:23 AM
I haven't tried it Frank, but it does sound feasible.

Probably wouldn't be awfully expensive, so it could be used in all sawing, not just those with blue stain.

Usually when I have blue stained logs, there are only a couple in the whole pile, so it wouldn't necessarily be used for "just" blue stained logs!
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: Magicman on May 05, 2014, 08:24:54 AM
I would think that even coverage and volume would be lacking.
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: woodmills1 on May 05, 2014, 08:07:41 PM
I don't think it will work.  Quick drying is the answer.  It is also impossible to remove the blue after it forms
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: WoodenHead on May 05, 2014, 09:34:58 PM
Quote from: woodmills1 on May 05, 2014, 08:07:41 PM
I don't think it will work.  Quick drying is the answer.  It is also impossible to remove the blue after it forms

+1

I too think it is impossible to remove blue stain after it forms.  I've found that once the temps are there the blue stain sets in.
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: backwoods sawyer on May 05, 2014, 11:13:34 PM
The production mill had a spray booth on the outfeed of the planer, at the speed the lumber was traveling thru it not much made it onto the board. The reason for the spay booth was to prevent the white mold from forming when the units with 13%mc were wraped and shipped to Arizona to sit in the hot sun like a peitree dish, to aid in keeping the white stuff off the wood we also changed from a full wrap to wrapping just the ends and top and added 4 hours to the kiln cycle.

Blue stain, not sure if it would help but should have enough flow with lube being sprayed on both sides of the saw making contact with both sides of the cut. When you turn up the flow it leaves the boards good and damp. 
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: mesquite buckeye on May 05, 2014, 11:51:23 PM
We get guys out here who will  pay extra for it if it is pretty. ;D

Just sayin'

Or cut it in the cool season.
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: Magicman on May 06, 2014, 08:03:23 AM
Remember that there are two very distinct forms of "blue" lumber.  One is from mildew and the other is from beetles that kill Pine.  Beetle kill is blue when it dies and the splotchy color goes completely through the log.
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: mesquite buckeye on May 06, 2014, 10:40:00 AM
We got a lot of blue stained ponderosa pine after the big fires in the Santa Catalina Mtns. It was really pretty. I cut up a bunch for some people with a cabin up there. Spectacular and streaky. Sorry I didn't think to take a picture. Getting that tree down was exciting.
Title: Re: Blue stain
Post by: MikeON on May 07, 2014, 06:12:21 AM
The active ingredient in some fungicidal products is a type of salt (Disodium octaborate tetrahydrate).  I would be concerned about corrosion on the mill if using this in the water lube.