Well after only about 6wks of no firewood the phones ringing hard again. Just wanna ask around and see what its going for in the northeast region, fuels gone up and im not doing it for nothing this year. When the piles gone its gone. 8)
I'm selling my firewood here in Southern Vermont for $205 a full cord, delivered locally.
I was talking to the truck driver yesterday and he was telling me he is having a heck of a time getting any firewood (log length) seems thats the general consensus in this area all the log length guys cant get it.
We deliver cut/split 10 cord loads for $500. Local only. That is cheap. Fuel costs and equipment upkeep is rising everyday. Also firewood is getting scarce. Everyone is chipping. Next year the price will go up.
Can sell it for 250 a cord green. This winter, it will be 300 for dry. ;D
we sell it log length for 70 a cord off the landing, but you do it cut and split right. hard wood pulp is up so it is hard to get firewood. off the landing the buyer hauls it
if we have to pay the trucker to haul it ranges from 700 to 800 for a 7 cord load depending how for it goes
Everyone wants a deal and thats the problem. When we became a HEAP vendor it 2x the amount of insurance required on certain things, plus the associated comp costs. I was 225-240 cash, this year its got to go up. The little guys are getting less and less, and the cost of stuff is going up, planning on stocking up @ boonville in a few weeks.
Quote from: HiTech on July 26, 2014, 06:31:42 AM
We deliver cut/split 10 cord loads for $500. Local only. That is cheap. Fuel costs and equipment upkeep is rising everyday. Also firewood is getting scarce. Everyone is chipping. Next year the price will go up.
How far will you deliver ? If I buy say, 500 cord can I get a better discount ? How are you covering the fuel and saws for 50 a cord ?
Quote from: BargeMonkey on July 26, 2014, 08:09:54 AM
Quote from: HiTech on July 26, 2014, 06:31:42 AM
We deliver cut/split 10 cord loads for $500. Local only. That is cheap. Fuel costs and equipment upkeep is rising everyday. Also firewood is getting scarce. Everyone is chipping. Next year the price will go up.
How far will you deliver ? If I buy say, 500 cord can I get a better discount ? How are you covering the fuel and saws for 50 a cord ?
They are face cords, not full cords. We cut locally and sell to the same people year after year. Our farthest customer might be 20 miles away. We don't sell log length.
Quote from: HiTech on July 26, 2014, 08:23:23 AM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on July 26, 2014, 08:09:54 AM
Quote from: HiTech on July 26, 2014, 06:31:42 AM
We deliver cut/split 10 cord loads for $500. Local only. That is cheap. Fuel costs and equipment upkeep is rising everyday. Also firewood is getting scarce. Everyone is chipping. Next year the price will go up.
How far will you deliver ? If I buy say, 500 cord can I get a better discount ? How are you covering the fuel and saws for 50 a cord ?
They are face cords, not full cords. We cut locally and sell to the same people year after year. Our farthest customer might be 20 miles away. We don't sell log length.
Ok good, I was getting excited figuring I could just buy 500 cord, double my money and mothball my skidder for the winter. :D
Friend of mine lives out western part of the state and they use that dirty word "face cord" also, i rarely see it advertised that way around here anymore. Watching a woodpile dry is better than money in the bank these days. 8)
I'm just a little guy only do about 30 cord a year. I'm in the SE part of NH and I'm getting $220 a cord green, delivered (10 miles or less) right now. As Woodboogah said, tree length is tough to get your hands on right now, should push the selling price up in the next couple months. I got a used Hakki 1x37 processor this year and was hoping to bump up from 30 to 50 cord, now I'll be happy just to take care of my regular customers. I'm hoping to get a couple cord stashed away and drying so come mid January I can put up the C-List add and get $310!
QuoteThey are face cords, not full cords.
Something just not right about saying cord, and not clarifying it to say "face cord" when it really is a face cord, and not a cord. Much like saying poplar when meaning (or not) yellow poplar or tulip poplar. (end of rant :) )
Likely why states have tried to correct this with standard units of measure. ;)
I have to pay 100 a cord on the yard!!! Selling for 125-140 a cord!!Tree lenghth!!!! :o
I look at it as more a regional thing, when I went to pick up an engine this spring out in Mexico NY all the signs said "facecord", and all the guys talked wood volume that way. Problem ive noticed is when you break that magic # it becomes a pain in the a$$. Need 2-3 trucks, more help, more wood. I read about these guys up north doing 3k+ cord a year, they can have it. I could sell 100 cord log length right now, im just sick of powerlines, people wanting it so close to the house, my insurance has stayed lower for a reason.
Up here in eastern and northern Maine it is running between $215 -250 per cord for cut, split and delivered
Firewood in log form has gotten very scarce in this area this year. Prices are 135-150/cord delivered if you can find it and green cut, split and delivered is $250-275/cord. Wish we had more access to hardwood this year.
Wow. I'm doing something wrong; I'm selling log length on the landing for $60/cord.
Me to I'm only getting 325-400 a load.
Quote from: EFR on July 27, 2014, 12:58:08 AM
Wow. I'm doing something wrong; I'm selling log length on the landing for $60/cord.
Quote from: timberlinetree on July 27, 2014, 05:55:34 AM
Me to I'm only getting 325-400 a load.
I Know it can cost a lot to keep a log truck on the road ( I have my own ) but I don't think the truckers should be getting 350 to 400 just for delivery.
Quote from: Ken on July 26, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
Firewood in log form has gotten very scarce in this area this year. Prices are 135-150/cord delivered if you can find it and green cut, split and delivered is $250-275/cord. Wish we had more access to hardwood this year.
We're in the same boat in NS. Our new biomass boiler in Cape Breton is eating up all of the hardwood it seems. I've been lucky to get on a few lots lately that have had a good amount of hardwood and orders have been brisk. I don't even advertise but seem to get 3 or 4 calls per week. We're selling for $250/cord now but the price will go up in the fall. I have about 20 cords stashed away drying for the winter which will go for $300+ this winter.
Quote from: HiTech on July 26, 2014, 06:31:42 AM
We deliver cut/split 10 cord loads for $500. Local only. That is cheap. Fuel costs and equipment upkeep is rising everyday. Also firewood is getting scarce. Everyone is chipping. Next year the price will go up.
Wow. 500 cut and split. That is cheap!
Ive got a wholesale customer, who I will probably drop 50 cord too, who is reselling it, delivered and stacked for 600+ a cord to the ritzy ski chalets, hows that for a profit increase.
bargemonkey,
there are a lot of firewood guys now taking dino bags or palletized firewood and dropping them off at places like you just mentioned. You have to have a much different trucking set up than most of us use now. One guy makes weekly rounds and drops a bag in the driveway and picks up his bag he left the week before.
My cousin does the bundles, and 1 guy does it wrapped on pallets, its more of a time thing. I have about 30 metal baskets that hold 1/2 a cord each, and I could hypothetically drop wood of with them. We ran out of wood 4 seasons ago and got stuck buying wood log length from up north to supply our contract customers. We can fill the baskets and put 6 of them in our kiln, rotating them every 3-5 days and stay ahead if we had to.
The state job I just moved onto is 194k ft with roughly 22 truck and pup loads of log length firewood according to the contract. I started making calls to sell it before I started. Sold all of it in a day. Mill is constantly getting bombarded with calls looking for log length. Must be none to be had.
250 a trailer load, over a full pulp cord cut split and del within 15 miles. Cant keep up with the orders. Been buying log lenght for 110 a cord del. but having a hard time getting it. going through a tractor trailer load a week.
I am now getting $80/cord for 12' wood at the landing by a guy who picks it up with a small log truck that carries 5 cords/load. I am thinking this is fair for both of us. BlackBirch, white oak, red oak,maple,ash.
David l
I know a bunch of dealers and we are all in the same boat. Can't get wood. We can eat up a wheeler load a day (8 cd.) if we could get our hands on it. I am paying 125-130 for tree length and selling retail for 240 green 340 k.d. I am also trying to work a hardwood lot to help supply the beast but with 11.5" of rain here so far this month, well lets say it isn't working out to good.
that 11.5" of rain dosent count today dose it? got a lot here today
That is it for right this minute. LOL. Looks to be another band coming through in about an hour or so.
this is for timberlinetree and bill m from mass, finch paper is paying more than that for pulp at your distance with the mileage bonus you might make out better
firewood dealer, is that 120-130$ trucked in or at the landing.
David
Trucked in.
Quote from: beenthere on July 26, 2014, 10:33:43 AM
QuoteThey are face cords, not full cords.
Something just not right about saying cord, and not clarifying it to say "face cord" when it really is a face cord, and not a cord. Much like saying poplar when meaning (or not) yellow poplar or tulip poplar. (end of rant :) )
Likely why states have tried to correct this with standard units of measure. ;)
Face cord is not used in Maine.Odd term.Every thing seems to short measure now.Could you call a quart of milk a face gallon?
It just burns my a$$ when you have to deal with stupid people on the retail end for firewood. If you can get it 10.00 cheaper from "xyz" on craigslist why do you waste our secretary's time calling. The state has gotten increasingly better about paying, but like any government organization its still a circus. We must do 50+ cord where the people are putting the last stick in the stove and expect us to drop everything and bring wood first thing on a sunday morning. Ive been watching my competition's woodpile and I think this year there isnt going to be alot of extra wood to be had.
i told the guy buying my processsor wood 110+ trking this week and heard another guy is paying 125+ trking in the same area. Not much wood to be had, hope it keeps raining. The log market is weird too. did all the other loggers go out? the forester told me alot of guys don't have work, and I see alot of equipment sitting rusty in peoples yards..
Face cord is not used in Maine.Odd term.Every thing seems to short measure now.Could you call a quart of milk a face gallon?
Ha.. Thats a good one. I love it. Here in Virginia they passed a law a couple of years back that you could only sell wood by either the cord or number of cubic feet.
I agree with it. Still see wood all the time advertised by the p/u load. Now. What size pick-up, is it leveled at the top or is there a graveyard hump? Sadly it is a law that is not inforced.
Someone can show up with a load on a shortbed pickup bed level advertised as a pickup load for $60.00 and someone advertises for a pickup load, long bed with a slight hump for good measure for $70.00. Same description but an entirely different amount of wood.
Sounds the same everywhere. Can't get it here and the price has gone up. Even the pulp mill is paying us more because they don't have enough. And yeah we sell it by the face cord. If you advertised $200 a cord you wouldn't get a call. And we specifie the "face" is 4x8 and 16" wood. Works here. I wish I had 1,000 cord right now!
Quote from: 240b on July 29, 2014, 08:25:57 PM
i told the guy buying my processsor wood 110+ trking this week and heard another guy is paying 125+ trking in the same area. Not much wood to be had, hope it keeps raining. The log market is weird too. did all the other loggers go out? the forester told me alot of guys don't have work, and I see alot of equipment sitting rusty in peoples yards..
My father had a call from a logger we know up north last week, wanting to know about coming down and knocking out a few woodlots for us at a reduced rate just to stay busy. Ive heard alot of guys crying about wood, I think its area specific.
I'm still missing the whole face cord thing, it just seems like a way of sounding like you cut more wood than you did. No one who cut ten cord of wood, would brag about cutting 20 half cords, or 40 quarter cords, but wow, 30 face cords, that's a lot of wood.
I've lived in the Adirondacks for over 40 years and face cord has always been the measure of firewood in this area. The "standard" face cord seems to be 16" wood stacked 4' high by 8' long. It is not recognized by weight and measures as a unit of sale, they prefer 1/3 cord.
I believe it came into being as a measure of how much work was done to produce the wood. There is less work involved cutting a cord of 48" wood than a cord of 12" stove wood, 4x as many pieces in a cord of 12" wood.
I don't understand what difference it makes. My main consern is that my customer base and I are on the same page. I'll sell it anyway they want it.
It's 150-165 for a full cord here, cut to 16" length, split, and delivered. I wish I could get 200!
I hear you! I don't understand why ours here in michigan is so cheap
16" wood $85-$100 per face cord 1 year seasoned wood here or for the full cord guys $255-$300 per cord.
the most we pay is 250 a 7 cord load but that is only delivered about 20 miles. keep the customer happy they keep you happy, price goes a little every year but they still want it. log on, stay safe!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: tj240 on July 30, 2014, 09:14:15 PM
the most we pay is 250 a 7 cord load but that is only delivered about 20 miles. keep the customer happy they keep you happy, price goes a little every year but they still want it. log on, stay safe!!!!!!!!!
are you talking a cut and split load by the face cord? If so your giving it away for that.
250.00 here for full cord green!!! 300.00 and over for seasoned. The hardwood market here is pretty high right now,firewood is hard to get. red oak pallet wood right now is $400@M !!
No split wood for Williams Timber Harvesting, except for my own house.
Face cord is a cheaters term.My 8 foot pickup will haul 1/2 cord.I used to buy oak edgings from a pipe rack.The rack was a half cord.I could load from the big pile and get a half cord every time.A load made the 77 chevy grunt on hills.It was as a 3/4 ton.Salt killed a good truck.A half cord of sawed hardwood will weigh a ton.
You guy's have it made!
The last log length firewood I sold brought $45 a cord, delivered 1 hour drive away, down 16 miles of 6% grade. Cut and split it brings about $120 a cord delivered. It's all Pine, and Fir, but about the same work and fuel.
Oh, and no "face cords" here. I have seen it sold by the pickup load, but that's usually just entertainment. See how much that guy can get in a short bed pickup. I've seen some creative stacking go a foot over the top of the cab. :D
Problem is its half the btus per cord vs hardwood!