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Title: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: wannaergo on November 23, 2014, 07:51:44 PM
Pulp Pile


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Some decent logs. 8 footers on the left and randoms on the right.. i think.


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Boss Man smiling over a nice load of random logs


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Nice hardwood stand after thinning


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Thought this looked kind of cool


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After a nice snow storm.


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Working on a ridge, I was bunching the trees and pulling them up the hill to process. This was the log pile.


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Had a visitor on the job one day.  :)


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Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: mikeb1079 on November 23, 2014, 10:29:23 PM
love the pics, thank you    :)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: thecfarm on November 23, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Pictures look good. Thank you!!
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: sandhills on November 23, 2014, 11:36:09 PM
Nice pictures, I like the one with the helper best  :)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Nate379 on November 24, 2014, 02:14:03 AM
What does up ctl mean?
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: nhlogga on November 24, 2014, 02:41:59 AM
Quote from: Nate379 on November 24, 2014, 02:14:03 AM
What does up ctl mean?

up = upper peninsula
ctl = cut to length
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: nhlogga on November 24, 2014, 02:42:52 AM
nice pics. thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 24, 2014, 05:13:03 AM
  I like the pictures.  ;)   
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: goose63 on November 24, 2014, 05:25:07 AM
Nice pictures did you take the helper to the D Q ?
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Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 24, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
Nice quality work my friend. Landowner will be seeing income again in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Nate379 on November 24, 2014, 09:56:21 AM
Ah, makes sense.  Only thing I know about the "UP" is from the band Da Yoopers  :D

Quote from: nhlogga on November 24, 2014, 02:41:59 AM
Quote from: Nate379 on November 24, 2014, 02:14:03 AM
What does up ctl mean?

up = upper peninsula
ctl = cut to length
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Autocar on November 24, 2014, 12:09:51 PM
Nice job, looks real professional are those saw logs hard maple ? 
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: wannaergo on November 24, 2014, 05:47:06 PM
Thanks all, the logs are primarily hard maple, with some soft and a little bit of basswood.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: barbender on November 24, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
The job looks great, and I love the helper ;)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: 1270d on November 24, 2014, 10:12:12 PM
After thorough examination, I think there may be one small hill in all of those pics!  Spoiled... 


Nice shots
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Ken on November 25, 2014, 04:28:49 AM
Very nice looking job.  The landowner should be happy.  I'm sure glad our hardwood pulp mill takes their wood in random lengths.  8' is a pain
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on November 25, 2014, 05:58:38 AM
Quote from: 1270d on November 24, 2014, 10:12:12 PM
After thorough examination, I think there may be one small hill in all of those pics!  Spoiled... 

I looked hard and had trouble finding that hill :D. I could only dream of a job that flat. ha

Also noticed the lack of snow down south there :o. Even with the warm UP there is 2 foot or more on the ground on our job...
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: loggah on November 25, 2014, 06:59:51 PM
A lot of that hard maple pulp would make pallet grade sawlogs around here !!! lots of small heartwood there,nice job.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: 1270d on November 25, 2014, 07:52:19 PM
Quote from: chevytaHOE5674 on November 25, 2014, 05:58:38 AM
. Even with the warm UP there is 2 foot or more on the ground on our job...

I guess you must not be doing pine in the banana belt anymore?
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Banjo picker on November 25, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Doing jobs like that will surely get you more work.  Banjo
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on November 25, 2014, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: 1270d on November 25, 2014, 07:52:19 PM
guess you must not be doing pine in the banana belt anymore?

Still doing pine but it seems we are out of the banana belt. Thought we were close enough to L'anse that we would miss the snow, but now that winter has set in it appears we are close enough to Herman to get pounded with snow (another 10" last night).
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: 1270d on November 25, 2014, 10:03:12 PM
Seems I'm the one eating the bananas with only a foot on the job right now. 8)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: IcePick on December 01, 2014, 05:34:01 PM
Yes, very nice, clean work.


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Post by: petefrom bearswamp on December 01, 2014, 06:06:57 PM
Precious helper.
nice looking job
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: wannaergo on February 15, 2015, 09:45:56 AM
Forwarder operator brought a go pro to work one day so i thought i'd try it out. here's a little video from inside the cab.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBcY6S007gg
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 10:19:26 AM
Great video  8) 8) 8)  I get the same view but my head is yellow  ;D :)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Maine372 on February 15, 2015, 11:25:48 AM
I have a couple questions.

Why were some of the larger stems already felled?

How did you know where to cut the stem when the head was backwards? (limbing knives pointed towards the stump)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: lopet on February 15, 2015, 11:56:00 AM
wannaergo    you've got some pretty good skills for cutting those crotches.  Just sometimes wonder, how money is being made cutting such small diameter stuff with the high cost of this equipment.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: lopet on February 15, 2015, 11:56:00 AM
Just sometimes wonder, how money is being made cutting such small diameter stuff with the high cost of this equipment.

It's all about production.  It's easier to make money with a machine than it is hand cutting.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: wannaergo on February 15, 2015, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Maine372 on February 15, 2015, 11:25:48 AM
I have a couple questions.

Why were some of the larger stems already felled?

How did you know where to cut the stem when the head was backwards? (limbing knives pointed towards the stump)

My dad and I were spending a couple hours a day running chainsaw to dump over the bigger trees that I can't get the head on easily. Then we cut the butt logs off, and mark the rest of the sawlogs by making small cuts at designated lengths. If I just need an 8 foot log, I can eyeball the lengths by spinning the head and putting the tip of the lead knife 2 feet from the end of the log. I am usually between 8'8" and 9' by doing that.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: lopet on February 15, 2015, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: lopet on February 15, 2015, 11:56:00 AM
Just sometimes wonder, how money is being made cutting such small diameter stuff with the high cost of this equipment.

It's all about production.  It's easier to make money with a machine than it is hand cutting.

I am aware of that Corley, but just don't think production would be very high with all this small stuff and then it still need to be picked up and forwarded. My point was, it just doesn't look like a money making job, but I agree, it would be even worse hand cutting. All having said that, I could be wrong. ;D 
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: barbender on February 15, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Those Gopro cameras look fun. I was watching a video where they had one on a falcon's back. I felt like I was flying ;D Unfortunately, I don't think I can get a Gopro past my wife, so I can video me playing in the forwarder in a Northern MN pulpwood harvest ::) Good video, wannaergo ;)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 03:50:18 PM
In this kind of timber I can average 5-6 cords an hour and usually run the harvester 4-5 hours a day to keep the old forwarder going all day.  He'll put 16-24 cords on the landing daily depending on the length of skid and how many sorts we've got going.  I like to send out at least 60 cords per week.  More is better obviously but at 60 we're staying ahead of trucking,  producing at a comfortable reasonable speed for the old equipment and doing a few face cords of firewood to clean up the out of spec hardwood.   If all goes well there's $$$ in it  ;) :)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: barbender on February 15, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Unfortunately, I don't think I can get a Gopro past my wife

That's my problem too  ;D
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: wannaergo on February 15, 2015, 06:05:48 PM
Corley, if I produced 60 cords a week, cat would be on the job taking their machine back. I gotta get 200 at least! I sometimes wish I could get by on 60
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 06:07:22 PM
 ;)  Having used up machinery has it advantages  :)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: lumbertick on February 15, 2015, 07:25:22 PM
Same here we gotta have 350 a week between the 2 crews
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 07:40:51 PM
IF everything goes well 100 cords a week isn't out of the question but I never plan on it  :)  With a newer forwarder higher production would be possible but then that's putting more pressure on my old harvester and adding a payment when my old forwarder is long since paid for.  Then I've got to produce more...  It's a vicious cycle.  I've thought about adding another old TF forwarder like I've got and running it myself a couple days a week but that would take away from playing with firewood and I really don't like running a forwarder anymore  :)  Plus I can almost see the end of this.  In not too many more years I hope to be spending my days in our vineyard/winery  :)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: beenthere on February 15, 2015, 07:58:54 PM
Is Zach interested in running an extra forwarder? 

Or maybe you are not interested in Zach running the forwarder? ;)
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Corley5 on February 15, 2015, 08:32:13 PM
  Zach'll be thirteen in May.  A little young yet.  Neither he nor Zander, who'll be 6 Friday, show much if any interest in logging and that's fine with me  :)  I don't encourage it either :)   
  Zach is interested in the vineyard  8) 8) 8)  But it's a bit too much work for twelve year old.  We'll how the 13yo does this season.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: BEEMERS on February 16, 2015, 12:08:44 AM
Keep your eye on the prize Corley5.....eye on the prize.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: so il logger on February 16, 2015, 12:27:31 AM
Corley5 that is a fine looking forwarder that you have. I had a skidder that was based on the same chassis. It done just fine so I suspect that your c4d forwarder does as well. The profit is all about what your expenses are, I run a lean crew and that saves me money. But with the right guys it's still profitable. We hand fell and hand buck and still get around 20 to 25 loads a week, Im only paying 2 other guys. I know my production is nothing compared to mechanized but it keeps my family fed and bills paid.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: leeroyjd on February 16, 2015, 07:00:55 AM
When AI had my Fabtek I had figured out that if you turn the head around and put the tip of the stationary knife at end of log,reset then run it backwards you could get all the lengths. I think -22" was 8'.  -46" was 10' etc.
Quote from: wannaergo on February 15, 2015, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Maine372 on February 15, 2015, 11:25:48 AM
I have a couple questions.

Why were some of the larger stems already felled?

How did you know where to cut the stem when the head was backwards? (limbing knives pointed towards the stump)

My dad and I were spending a couple hours a day running chainsaw to dump over the bigger trees that I can't get the head on easily. Then we cut the butt logs off, and mark the rest of the sawlogs by making small cuts at designated lengths. If I just need an 8 foot log, I can eyeball the lengths by spinning the head and putting the tip of the lead knife 2 feet from the end of the log. I am usually between 8'8" and 9' by doing that.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: 1270d on February 16, 2015, 12:24:19 PM
I do the same.  -4'2", -6'2" etc
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: Ron Scott on February 16, 2015, 02:26:23 PM
Good video of mechanical CTL.
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: wannaergo on June 02, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
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Got to do some tree service work today
Title: Re: Some UP CTL Pics
Post by: lumberjack48 on June 03, 2015, 08:17:42 PM
  I was the CTL machine in the 60's. I cut it to the length i wanted, logs and 8' and piled the pulp by hand. The piles had to be 8' apart so that the cat could get between the piles with the Hill Lake knuckle boom dray. I had to also make sure the stumps were cut ground level so the cat or dray wouldn't get hung up. In Aspen i cut and piled 10 cds a day. When i cut pine logs or hardwood logs i liked to get a 100 logs a day. I cut a lot of selective cut pine, in fact more then anything else.
Theres nothing like being out there alone leaning on your measuring stick listening to the sounds in the woods or hearing the echo of your chainsaw.