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Title: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 09, 2004, 01:03:30 PM
Hello.

I run a tired old C5D. About sick of it, and moving to a J.D. soon.

What do you run? Be specific if you reply.

Thanks. 8)

OT.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Kirk_Allen on August 09, 2004, 01:10:48 PM
I currently use a 930261ChevWarnBack skidder.

It has worked out pretty well too date but looking for a replacement.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 09, 2004, 03:28:37 PM
QuoteI currently use a 930261ChevWarnBack skidder.

It has worked out pretty well too date but looking for a replacement.

Home made fun?
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Kirk_Allen on August 09, 2004, 03:48:43 PM
1993 Chevy
2002 Warn Winch (9,000lb)
1961 Back Bone

Thus - ChevWarnBack ;D

When the Back bone is Warn out its time for a new Chevy 8)
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Kevin on August 09, 2004, 04:29:40 PM
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Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Ed_K on August 09, 2004, 05:49:32 PM
 72 taylor skidder
 78 massy model 30 loader w/ grapple + 3pt winch
 03 massy model 1433 w/ 3pt winch + forestry trailer
 53 wore out back  :D
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: theonlybull on August 09, 2004, 08:12:07 PM
1968 homebuilt (shop built, in our machine shop) skidder.

60's vauxhaul motor, 26 forward, 8 reverse gears, 2 ton rear ends, 12 ply, 20" truck tires, and a winch made from another 2 ton rear end....
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Steve on August 09, 2004, 08:52:56 PM
Hey Only Bull

I'd really like to see a picture of your home built skidder if you have one. I just love to see what some people can come up with.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Buzz-sawyer on August 09, 2004, 09:00:54 PM
Hey, I am collecting and building a rig just like yours!!!   8) 8)
I have 2 2 ton trucks, and a pto winch too, .............I would love to hear more...........and others would love a post with pics of your rig!! 8) 8)
Don  
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: redpowerd on August 10, 2004, 03:13:23 AM
ahh, why is john deere at the top? ::)
i use a 684 4x4 with a bucket in the woods and the steiger for skidding big trees out of hedgerows up to a landing. :)
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Rob on August 10, 2004, 05:30:03 AM
Well Old Timer ,

               I guess we are the TF loggers I run a 1976 Tree Farmer C4D but it had some front differential issuses a while back but it'sback up and skidding again. Soon it will be time for a 648G Deere .. Been running a buddies 95 648E grapple sweet machine. Hey keep intouch it's good to know there is another logger from NH here  ;D

                                        Rob
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 10, 2004, 09:17:15 AM
QuoteWell Old Timer ,

               I guess we are the TF loggers I run a 1976 Tree Farmer C4D but it had some front differential issuses a while back but it'sback up and skidding again. Soon it will be time for a 648G Deere .. Been running a buddies 95 648E grapple sweet machine. Hey keep intouch it's good to know there is another logger from NH here  ;D

                                        Rob

Hello Rob. I have seen your co., RCS, advertized all over hell. Hows things?
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: OneWithWood on August 10, 2004, 09:19:34 AM
I selected dozer because it is the closest to what I actually run - John Deere 450CA Crawler/Loader w/timber winch.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 10, 2004, 09:35:53 AM
WOW!!

Seems like a lot of tractors. I have noticed the more frequent posters here have small mills, and tend to skid wood with tractors.

 A guy I know has 120 Acres of sweet pine. He had dreams of logging it himself with a Massey Ferguson mini 4x4 tractor. (He wanted it to look good, and make the max return.) He is no where near a logger, and has NO BUSINESS out in the woods with a saw. I advised him to forgo the idea in favor of getting several large logging Cos. to bid on it. That way, it gets done in 2 weeks, it looks like a park (ain't fellerbunchers great?), and he has his money in one lump sum instead of having it trickle in over the course of 10 years time. Even I couldn't give him the results the big guys can. Since he is a friend, I didn't even try to land the job. I did however advise him on stumpage prices, volume, and what should be removed. What are friends for?
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Rob on August 10, 2004, 01:10:19 PM
Hey OldTimer ,

          Yeah I guess I do advertise all over the place huh..but it helps us little guys need all the exposure we can get.. I'm sure you know how it is. It's hard to compete with the bigger crews in the state  with the bunchers they pay more on the stump than anyone else does down this way cause they can go through the lot faster .
          Things are going ok for me a bit slower than I want but I just picked up 18 house lots in MA so I will be starting them soon.Got a few odd jobs to do a few 10 acre lots and such. Check your messages at the top of the page I'll send you my new email so we can talk more.

                                           Rob
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: thecfarm on August 10, 2004, 06:54:30 PM
I use a 2120 Ford,about 42hp with a Norse winch on the back.Haven't been doing much selling.I did build a greenhouse out of hemlock for the wife.Have a Thomas band saw mill to make the logs into lumber.Both of the above are a slow with the finished product,but they do come out looking like I know what i am doing.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: redpowerd on August 10, 2004, 07:24:37 PM
Quoteit looks like a park (ain't fellerbunchers great?),
careful, some big guys up here will leave your woods looking like ground zero. one big feller/buncher came into a neighboring 60 acre lot and left 75% of the stumps over 8'!
they get so many jobs lined up and rush the ones they work on.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 10, 2004, 09:17:31 PM
I can see where a big old disc saw head with skids on the bottom would leave 5-6" of stump minimum, and 8" + if the tree was large enough to bell. Some bar saw heads might leave more. I have asked some guys (loggers and foresters) why it was accepted. They replied it was a nessisary evil. I watched one forester supervised lot get cut by a harvester / forwader combo in winter, and the stumps were 20-25" high in the spring. They didn't seem to care.

They are consistantly more wasteful than a Chain Saw, that I am sure of.

Mostly, I was commenting on how the reach to tree FBs can extract a 20" tree from among a nest of seedlings/saplings with zero damage. The bunches are laid out in the right direction, so rubbing of leave trees is minimized too.

 I once figured I could gain 2-3 truck loads of wood per average lot minimum with a FB. Leaning trees by lines, stone walls, property lines, trees surrounded by young growing wood.....all stuff I'd not mess with with just me and my saw/skidder for fear of causing more damage than the tree was worth. Leaving an extra 4-8 " of stump is worth it for the gains it would produce in other areas, IMO.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: sandmar on August 11, 2004, 01:48:22 PM
Another John Deere 450C crawler loader here. It has a 4 in 1 bucket that opens like a grapple...don't know what I would do without it  ;)

Sandmar
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Ed on August 12, 2004, 10:30:20 AM
New Holland 2120 with a homemade boom pole, if I'm in the open a Bobcat 743 with a clam bucket or forks
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Sawyerfortyish on August 15, 2004, 06:33:09 PM
I used a tractor for a long time til a tree tryed to get even with me as I drove by. I got smart real quick went and bought a Timberjack and never regretted it! For those of you that log with farm tractors BE CARFUL..
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: james on August 15, 2004, 07:32:44 PM
i got an old cat r2 the guy who had it b-4 me replaced the wornout eng with a v6 ford with an automatic trany hooked up to the input shaft of the original 5 spd looks funny but works great 15 gears fwd 3 rev 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Frickman on August 18, 2004, 06:36:50 PM
John Deere 440 skidder and Tree Farmer C5D forwarder.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: isawlogs on August 18, 2004, 09:15:53 PM
540C cable , it's a bit on the old side but I stoped working her hard a few years back , now she's about retired only pulls half a dozen or so loads (tractor trailer ) ayear , and the stove wood
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: tiny3 on August 20, 2004, 02:55:46 AM
2x 748g skidders and a timbco arch grapple,the pull about 140000 ton a year.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 20, 2004, 03:04:22 PM
Is the Timbco a clambunk or a regular arched grapple like a skidder? 8 wheeled? I could never use such a beast here. I know that up in Maine a few guys use them. I have also seen a Timbco that cut it's own load for the clam on back...that seems like the way to go if you have the money and room....

Just seen an ad for a "Keto" 804PHD five knife delimbing processor head built to take a "steady diet of 30" wood"...needs a minimum of a 25 (US) ton carrier, and preferably a 30 ton. All I can say is...if I could afford these things...I wouldn't need to log would I? :D ;D 8)
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Dom on August 21, 2004, 09:10:47 AM
QuoteJust seen an ad for a "Keto" 804PHD five knife delimbing processor head built to take a "steady diet of 30" wood"...needs a minimum of a 25 (US) ton carrier, and preferably a 30 ton. All I can say is...if I could afford these things...I wouldn't need to log would I? :D ;D 8)

Check out the logmax 12000. http://www.logmax.com/main.htm Its manufactured by Rocan in NB Canada. Let me tell you, they are big, over 8ft tall! I had pics of it cutting 42 inch trees with ease. The feed wheels are incredibly strong as well. I'll keep you guys upgraded on the process of the L12000. :)
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 21, 2004, 09:44:40 AM
What size carrier would this monster take? 40 ton? 300 HP engine? Holy smokes! Be hard to go "eco-logging" with that combo!
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Dom on August 21, 2004, 10:47:16 AM
QuoteWhat size carrier would this monster take? 40 ton? 300 HP engine? Holy smokes! Be hard to go "eco-logging" with that combo!

This is the carrier JD Irving uses. http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=37840&x=7 Its OK for the type of harvesting in the Maritimes as we do not have many big trees, however; its not the ideal choice IMO. Apparantly the rear part of the tracks will lift off the ground with the boom at full extension!  :o We also installed a L12000 on a John Deere, but I forgot which model it was.  In BC, they use a much bigger carrier, I'll try to find the specs on it.

EDIT:

In the West they use MaDill 2250B. http://www.madillequipment.com/bunchers.html#t2200

I beleive its based on the 2200B. I have pics, but have trouble posting them.  :-[
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: tiny3 on August 28, 2004, 05:06:05 AM
hi guys
the timbco had a arch grapple set up like a normal skidder we can change it to a clambunk set up or a forwarder when we have to,and yes its 8 wheel drine,we also have 2 30in rosin processing heads on 32 ton carriers and a 25in head on a timbco t445 c,we are also looking at a logmax 12000 in the future.i hope this helps
tiny :)
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 28, 2004, 08:06:50 PM
Thanks for replying Tiny. Thats some serious iron you use there!! Love to see some pics!!!!

Can I offer a tip? Artist has no "E" in it, at least here in the states.  ;D
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: timberjack_teen on August 28, 2004, 09:12:23 PM
I run a 04 timberjack 1110 d.... started in a fabtek 346b 4 years ago... Run it for 3 years and this summer got the new jack. I run behind a 03 1270d... AND BOY  the jack is FAST compared to the ole fabtek
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: Oldtimer on August 29, 2004, 04:49:54 PM
I believe I know you. Do the letters "HCS" mean anything to you? ::)
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: timberjack_teen on August 30, 2004, 09:57:57 PM
 :D... oldy, i know ya... Yes, i'm a very proud member of Hardcoresledders. I'm ZRman_31... nice to see someone actually reads my posts
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: timberjack240 on January 08, 2005, 01:22:58 PM
oldtimer
im still in school but durin the summer i runa 240 E timberjack in my opinion the jacks r the best. around here where i live john deeres are expensive to repair. the old jacks are cheap to fix and and easy to. the one i run has a screamin demand Detroit 4-53 in it it works great
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: muledriver on January 16, 2005, 09:57:09 PM
60% farm tractors used for skiddin wood? sounds like a slow way to make a living. There must not be many ctl operation in that area.
Title: Re: What Iron Do You Run?
Post by: isawlogs on January 21, 2005, 11:50:35 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mc540JD1.jpg)

 Heres a picture of my 540C cable skidder .... Have her tied to a pine that was leaning toward the fence on the back 40 of our bush lot ...