My off bearer is a really good welder and metal man / mechanic.
We went to the local scrap yard today and got a few odds and ends and Kirk welded up this rig where the drill will slide into the log and cut tenons.
After building a sturdy Pine table he welded everything up. We went to Lowe's and got a clamp for the log and welded it on.
Bolted the whole shooting match to the table and now we're ready for business. :)
My thanks to member Yukon Cornelius for advice before buying all the cutters and drill.
Hopefully before log I can post some pics of our log creations.
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Great idea 8)
I've owned a couple of those cutters for years and been scared to use them :D
Neat looking jig! It should keep the drill from slapping you in the face.
Poston,
Hopefully, your offbearer is straight grained. You are about as spiral grained as that elm log. Even a diesel edger won't straighten you out.
That looks good.
Didn't we have one other thread derailed when a edger was mentioned?? ;D
Quote from: WDH on March 09, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
Poston,
You are about as spiral grained as that elm log. Even a diesel edger won't straighten you out.
I've said it once and I'll say it again........ :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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More to come.........."As the Tenon Cutter Turns".
Dave a slightly different subject I was wondering how long a drive it is from your area to Myrtle Beach?
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 09, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Dave a slightly different subject I was wondering how long a drive it is from your area to Myrtle Beach?
3 1/2 hours.
Quote from: sprucebunny on March 09, 2015, 08:49:28 PM
Great idea 8)
I've owned a couple of those cutters for years and been scared to use them :D
Didn't you kill a few squirrels with them? :D :D :D
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 09, 2015, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 09, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Dave a slightly different subject I was wondering how long a drive it is from your area to Myrtle Beach?
3 1/2 hours.
Thanks, its a bit farther than I was guessing, I'm suppose to be @ the beach next fall for a bit but I'm not sure how much we will get to travel from there.
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Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 09, 2015, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 09, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Dave a slightly different subject I was wondering how long a drive it is from your area to Myrtle Beach?
3 1/2 hours.
Thanks, its a bit farther than I was guessing, I'm suppose to be @ the beach next fall for a bit but I not sure how much we will get to travel from there.
What month?
That's a fantastic setup! I cant wait to hear how it does! I just redneck manhandle my drill while my log is clamped in a pipe vise bolted on my bench. on larger stuff I have a big jawed vise I clamp it in. sometimes I get them a bit crooked. sometimes I drill my mortise hole crooked so its a wash. ;D I sure cant wait to see what you get going! 8)
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 09, 2015, 09:38:42 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 09, 2015, 09:30:53 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 09, 2015, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 09, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Dave a slightly different subject I was wondering how long a drive it is from your area to Myrtle Beach?
3 1/2 hours.
Thanks, its a bit farther than I was guessing, I'm suppose to be @ the beach next fall for a bit but I not sure how much we will get to travel from there.
What month?
Looks like Sept. 30- Oct 6
Holmes, remind me as it gets closer. We may can make the trip for the 1,236 time. :D
Good place....If I get to come, I'll take you to Calabash to eat. :)
Nice fabrication. Should be much safer then my two-man setup where my helper has to sit on the log to hold it. :D
Quote from: WmFritz on March 09, 2015, 10:04:07 PM
Nice fabrication. Should be much safer then my two-man setup where my helper has to sit on the log to hold it. :D
:D :D :D I can make you one for $300.00.
I thought the final pic would be showing a tenon cut... but ::)
... didn't happen.
Quote from: beenthere on March 09, 2015, 10:14:03 PM
I thought the final pic would be showing a tenon cut... but ::)
... didn't happen.
I wanted to see a tenon as well. Like the forum says, if there is no picture it didn't happen.
Jim Rogers
Hey...look here Jim and Brother Been......its gonna happen and I'll show pics. Y'all just hang on. ;D
It's business alright.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 09, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
:D :D :D I can make you one for $300.00.
If that prices includes free delivery, I'll toss in a Walleye supper... or a tin can.
Your Choice. ;D
Bill, if you want one of these, you can baby sit it when I go to Georgia. ;D
OK Big Jim Rogers and Brother Been....here's my video of cutting a 3 inch tenon.
http://youtu.be/IJJIF4AOEXE
The tenon cutting part is not hard but the Fostner Bit drilling is the hard part....in Cedar anyway.
The 2 inch Fostner bit they sent IMO is not made to cut dry heart Cedar.
The bit on the right has small teeth and just would not cut....so I went to Lowe's and bought one with larger teeth. What a difference. The bigger tooth bit cut the Cedar like butter.
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Here is a pic of the first piece of junk I made. The angles are wrong and thats something I need to work on.
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The tenon in the video is the largest and here is a pic of the smallest I can cut. This is not as easy as I thought it was but with some experimenting and practice....I'll learn it.
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That's pretty slick.
A cedar model of the Leaning Tower of Pisa :D. The stool is a good idea, but in its present state, might be a little hard on the buttocks. You are going to have some real fun with those tools 8).
Just like sawing,you'll learn what blade-bit works the best.
smiley_thumbsup
And 'til you master the hole boring, just put three legs in for a stool. ;)
Quote from: WDH on March 10, 2015, 09:11:12 PM
A cedar model of the Leaning Tower of Pisa :D.
:D :D :D :D :D ......and who said the truth never hurts? You're killing me! :D :D :D :D :D
I think that you have a very workable setup. 8)
Get Busy Beaver to make you a sign.
"Sit on Stool at Your Own Risk".
Quote from: WDH on March 10, 2015, 09:56:03 PM
Get Busy Beaver to make you a sign.
"Sit on Stool at Your Own Risk".
You're a Baaaaaaad Man. >:(
Since its my first one, I may auction it off and donate the $$$$ to the ff. ;D
Quote from: WDH on March 10, 2015, 09:56:03 PM
Get Busy Beaver to make you a sign.
"Sit on Stool at Your Own Risk".
I saw a goat standing on cedar fence post once.
That stool should be right at home. :)
On the subject of cutting tools here, what sort of cutter is used to cut the oval holes in posts that 1" X 6" fence boards slide into?
The correct angle you need is 82° that will be the one we used at the furniture factory I worked at for 10 years. We made thousands of stools with that angle.
Jim Rogers
A drill press is real handy for drilling those holes in the seat, make a jig to go on top of the drill press table with the required angle that has a centre pin to rotate the top on, set the pin to ½ the required diameter of the leg holes then clamp, drill then spin stool top90° for 4 legs or 120° for three and clamp,drill again.
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 11, 2015, 08:19:58 AM
A drill press is real handy for drilling those holes in the seat, make a jig to go on top of the drill press table with the required angle that has a centre pin to rotate the top on, set the pin to ½ the required diameter of the leg holes then clamp, drill then spin stool top90° for 4 legs or 120° for three and clamp,drill again.
That's what we used a drill press with a sloped table set to 82° We'd also has a jig that had screw tips up through the bottom to set the seat down onto and rap with a rubber hammer to set the points into the seat bottom where the holes were to be drilled. Marking each seat on custom stuff you could make the jig and set it on top and rap it with a hammer to set the points into your custom shaped seat. That way each stool will have the same or similar leg spacing. Tops could all be different.
I would make the jig and then bore a center hole through it. the find the center of your custom seat blank and line them up.
I hope you can understand what I'm saying. Wooden stools are a very good business to be in.
Jim Rogers
Nice work on the jig,, that's the first I've seen in live action cutting, they really make quick work, thanks for sharing that,,
I cut tenons on a lathe, much more flexible. I built an extension for the lathe bed, handles pieces up to 5 ft long...
Nice job on the jig. Having everything mounted properly makes the job look easy. That stool would make a nice plant stand if you shorten the legs a little. On the cabin builders show the other night they had a pretty cool tool they were using to make tenons where they just spun the log and it made a nice tenon with no alignment required. It would be pretty cool if you could counterbalance the drill to float to the log center. :)
I say that I make rustic furniture because I cant make fine furniture. that bench is rustic. the more rustic the better. if anyone asks tell them it is supposed to be like that, you wanted something different than everyone elses. 8)
Do you have a link where you got that tenon cutter?
I know someone who might want to get one.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on March 12, 2015, 09:43:16 PM
Do you have a link where you got that tenon cutter?
I know someone who might want to get one.
Jim Rogers
http://www.lumberjacktools.com
Read the whole site.....there is a discount for military.
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Quote from: Jim_Rogers on March 12, 2015, 09:43:16 PM
Do you have a link where you got that tenon cutter?
I know someone who might want to get one.
Jim Rogers
http://www.lumberjacktools.com
Read the whole site.....there is a discount for military.
Thanks for the link, I'll pass it on.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 10, 2015, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: WDH on March 10, 2015, 09:56:03 PM
Get Busy Beaver to make you a sign.
"Sit on Stool at Your Own Risk".
You're a Baaaaaaad Man. >:(
Since its my first one, I may auction it off and donate the $$$$ to the ff. ;D
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You know I have the first 2 stools from the forestry forum.
smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: WDH on March 10, 2015, 09:11:12 PM
A cedar model of the Leaning Tower of Pisa :D. The stool is a good idea, but in its present state, might be a little hard on the buttocks. You are going to have some real fun with those tools 8).
I think that was intentional as he does not like seeing people comfortably seated.
It's against his whatever........
Gerald
You're getting there, But I thought you had enough lumber sales to keep busy?
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 13, 2015, 08:14:20 PM
You're getting there, But I thought you had enough lumber sales to keep busy?
I do Peter......but sometimes my customers will have to wait. I simply refuse to become a slave to my mill. ;D
I have always built and sold benches for Mother's day....so I have customers for that too.
Any log creations yet?
Quote from: hackberry jake on March 16, 2015, 09:36:47 AM
Any log creations yet?
I'm trying to get over this Flu, Hack. Thanks for asking though. I'll post some pics was soon as I construct something. :)
Is the goat flu more similar to the swine flu or the bird flu?
No,the goat flu is in a class of it's own. :D
Quote from: thecfarm on March 17, 2015, 06:47:28 AM
No,the goat flu is in a class of it's own. :D
That was a sheep shot! ;D
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 17, 2015, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on March 17, 2015, 06:47:28 AM
No,the goat flu is in a class of it's own. :D
That was a sheep shot! ;D
I expected you to tell him to butt out... :D
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Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 17, 2015, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on March 17, 2015, 06:47:28 AM
No,the goat flu is in a class of it's own. :D
That was a sheep shot! ;D
I expected you to tell him to butt out... :D
I would have thought you would have told him: "Naaaaaaa"......
:D :D :D
We sure are quick at coming up with baaaaaad jokes ;D
Quote from: hackberry jake on March 17, 2015, 10:13:41 PM
We sure are quick at coming up with baaaaaad jokes ;D
They've been worse......I think everyone is getting ready to thaw out for spring.
I've been busy....at night......I just didn't tell ya. :D :D :D
Got a whack of benches we put out on the highway today....sold 2 before we got them all out there.
Half logs with tenon Cedar legs.
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You have been busy. All you need now is a big fire pit and some hot dogs.
$300?
Quote from: WDH on March 30, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
You have been busy. All you need now is a big fire pit and some hot dogs.
$300?
Actually we are thinking about building a campfire....however today the wind was moving toward the highway. >:(
Those benches look really nice. You sell many of dem Goats?? ???
MM I was thinking the same thing, Stick Goats!
Quote from: Magicman on March 30, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
Those benches look really nice. You sell many of dem Goats?? ???
Thats enough of dat.....when it comes to my wood working skills, I get serious!
Dem ain't goats......dems Deer. taz-smiley
In fact the Buck has REAL ANTLERS on him. ;D
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Dey gots 4 legs, two ears, and bark. OK dem is dogs. :D :D
OK, horny dogs........
Quote from: Magicman on March 30, 2015, 09:38:52 PM
Dey gots 4 legs, two ears, and bark. OK dem is dogs. :D :D
OK, horny dogs........
Elm ain't no Dogs.....Elm Deers! :D
I saw dem eating dis: LINK (http://www.evitamins.com/super-horny-goat-weed-action-labs-636?utm_source=pricegrabber&utm_medium=cse)
Can you get it across the counter"
I guess if you took enough of it. :D :D :D :D
Nice looking bench, Ashley Furniture aint got mutton on you! :D
:D
Quote from: Warped on March 31, 2015, 11:15:25 AM
Nice looking bench, Ashley Furniture aint got mutton on you! :D
You're Warped. :D :D :D
Like some of the sycamore that I moved today.
And twisted! 8)
Those North Carolina boys must be dumping some serious chemicals on you over there. That bucks antlers are growing on the wrong side of his head :D
I can't believe people give money for them.
I don't think they will sell here.
Maybe it's a southern thing. :D :D
Some people have way too much money. ;D In this area,I don't see how they would sell. Most just don't have the money in this area. :( Have to wait for those filthy rich out of staters to come to Maine to buy them things. :D
Cfarm, the thing in the NE if we want one, WE will make one. Or anything for that matter. :D :D :D :D :D :D
All the "finer" neighborhoods have at least 1 in every yard. Now at Christmas you are subject to see whole herds in peoples yards. :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 02, 2015, 10:20:59 PM
Cfarm, the thing in the NE if we want one, WE will make one. Or anything for that matter. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Absolutely! Hilarious thread.... But gotta say.... I wanna make a bunch of those benches for around the roadside farm stand... Perfect. Got the wood, got no saws, jigs, or nothing. Anvil and hammer won't work.....lol. I suspect there's a used junk shopping spree in my future...
Serious question, goat guy (POSTON), what do you clear coat the cedar with? PolyU?
Welcome RobSC.... Nice Mandy back on your pick!
Quote from: thecfarm on April 02, 2015, 07:35:25 AM
Some people have way too much money. ;D In this area,I don't see how they would sell. Most just don't have the money in this area. :( Have to wait for those filthy rich out of staters to come to Maine to buy them things. :D
CFarm... It's cause we're cheap! Or poor.... Or both. :D
Quote from: kwendt on April 18, 2015, 08:15:59 AM
Serious question, goat guy (POSTON), what do you clear coat the cedar with? PolyU?
NO POLY. Tongue Oil or really any kind of oil. I have literally used fresh motor oil. Never burned motor oil on Cedar but any clean oil will work for me.
Tung Oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tung_oil)
100% pure tung oil is a great choice.
This is mainly for Poston but anyone with suggestions is welcome to chime in. JMoore and I just got a log tenon cutter set like the ones shown on this thread. We are going to build a jig to hold the drill and the logs/sticks. Is there anything you would change about the jig you (Poston) made after using it? Maybe a piece of angle iron on the leading edge to hook the edge of the bench while pushing the drill? Maybe a pivoting log mount for bent (character filled) logs?
How often do you have to sharpen or change the cutters?
Do you prefer to run the drill at a slow or fast speed when using the tenon cutter?
Thank you for answering the questions. The log benches pictured are really cool. I think we may make some out of live oak for outside use.
Caveman
Ok Caveman,
On my jig, I would not change a thing. However if you can come up with an idea that helps you go for it and share your idea with me. :) 2 heads is better than 1 when building a jig, but I like mine.
As far as the blade, I ordered a extra set just in case. I have cut several hundred legs and as of yet never had to change blades.
The trick to getting your best cut is to have your blades screwed tight in the proper place on the cutter. This is something you can experiment with. Before you put on your first new blade, take sand paper and sand the part of the blade that will be against the cutter. The blades are new and come with a film of oil on them. If the blade is not sanded a little, it will move during the cut and will stop cutting properly.
Now....this is important. To get the best and quickest cut, your drill motor must be a 1 speed drill motor that will not exceed 450 rpm. I bought the Milwaukee drill that goes with the Tenon cutters.
I am sure you can use a variable speed motor, I never have tried, but with some practice, you may be able to learn your best speed.
Good luck to you. Don't be afraid to ask me anything or PM me. If I can't help, by cracky somebody else will.
Post some pics of your work. smiley_thumbsup
le for legs.
***** NOTE:.....Put wooden 2 x 4's or 4x4's on your jig table for legs. You can then bore holes in the wooden legs the size of your tenon. This allows you to take your tenon leg, put it in the hole you bored and will hold the leg while you sand it. ******
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I will probably not have time to start on a jig for a few weeks. I made a cedar stool today while the bones were on the grill. It looks awkward and I will probably cut the legs off of one end and bore new holes. I am thinking of making an 8° shim for my drill press table so that I can splay the legs the way I want them.
Caveman
Quote from: caveman on October 18, 2015, 09:39:35 PM
. I am thinking of making an 8° shim for my drill press table so that I can splay the legs the way I want them.
Caveman
I went through this. The first set of legs will surely look like a spider that has been stepped on.
After a little practice, you will be able to drill all your holes by sight....and they will all be the same.
Just like learning to ride a bike....once you learn...no shims or training wheels needed. :)
I went out, cut the offending leg off, made another and while I was gently encouraging it to go in, I split the stool's seat. It got polyurethane glue anyway and it will be a benchmark to measure future projects by.
Do you drill your mortise holes with a drill press or with a hand drill? It seems like using a forshner bit on an angle with a hand drill would be difficult.
Buenos noches,
Caveman
Quote from: caveman on October 18, 2015, 10:33:43 PM
Do you drill your mortise holes with a drill press or with a hand drill? It seems like using a forshner bit on an angle with a hand drill would be difficult.
Buenos noches,
Caveman
Drill press is not a could way. We have learned to stand and put the drill against our knee and push the bit into the wood and rock it a little. Take the bit out occasionally and clean it and start again. I understand it is tough sometimes.....but if it were easy, WDH and Magicman would be selling benches. ;D
I do sell benches, but I get my legs from the Rite Leg Co. The are always Topless.
Quote from: WDH on October 19, 2015, 07:25:02 AM
I do sell benches, but I get my legs from the Rite Leg Co. The are always Topless.
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