A couple of years back I posed a question about the condition of the only large (20+ DBH) Black Walnut I have on my property. The general consensus was that the tree was probably healthy but to keep tabs on it. Yesterday I took a picture of the damage again. The older picture is on top, new on the bottom. The hollow area at the bottom is noticeably deeper than the older picture. I want to mill this tree but I don't want to cut it down before it's time. It looks to me as if it is becoming more hollow and if I don't cut it soon, I'm going to lose a lot of valuable wood. Will y'all please let me know what you think? If I need to take more pics I can certainly do that. Thanks folks...
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It's getting deeper because the tree is growing, and trying to close the wound. Also, you have some of the wood deteriorating and turning to dust. To me, you've already lost some wood in the heart. If I was marking timber and come across a tree like this, I would mark it out.
Generally speaking, I have found rot like that to extend about 4 feet up the tree, at most. It's hard to say how healthy the rest of the tree is just by looking at the stump. If you have swelled knots, there is a good chance that part of the tree is also hollow. How far does the seam run up the tree?
Is there a reason you want to leave the tree? A tree can still be healthy and have rot and a host of other problems. It's just not as healthy as one without.
It is rotting the most valuable log. I always consider a tree like this is probably rotting as fast as it is growing. My opinion is get it out, get some lumber and open up the space for other trees to grow.
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on June 24, 2015, 09:56:24 AM
...How far does the seam run up the tree?
About 4 feet...
If you poke around the top of that seam up the trunk, I'm betting it keeps going upward. I had a walnut that got some butt rot going in it as it was the leave trunk of a double trunk cut down in the eighties. I cut it in like 2012. There was a lot of rot and I wish I had cut it sooner. Complicating this is the tree was hit by lightning in 1997 and a sector of the trunk was also rotting as a result of that, particularly on the upper part of the trunk. I got maybe 1/2 - 2/3 of what I would have gotten from a healthy tree.
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on June 24, 2015, 11:09:14 AM
It is rotting the most valuable log. I always consider a tree like this is probably rotting as fast as it is growing. My opinion is get it out, get some lumber and open up the space for other trees to grow.
I agree, and would cut it now.
Seams don't usually mean that the lumber isn't any good. A good sawyer would put the seam on a corner and edge it out. But, that indicates that there are problems up that far, and probably a little more. Often a seam will go into a shake area, in oak. Not so much in the walnut.
When you buck the tree into logs, leave the butt long. Don't cut off the rotted area unless there's no way it will make any lumber. I was always given heartrot logs at 10' or better. That way I could pull some long boards, and when I hit the rotten area, I would still have some nice, usable lengths after trimming. Most times it worked out pretty well.
Thank you folks for your replies. The tree is on the cut list. I'm busy this weekend so it will be next week or so before I get to it. I'm a bit excited. I've never cut or milled a black walnut tree. :)
They are purty when fresh cut and smell good. ;D 8) 8) 8) :snowball:
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Cut it. Cut it now. That seam might not go above 4 feet on the bark but, you can bet the money it brings that the heart is different. If the sap is still up, it will be wet, if not rotten several feet higher. If the face of the cut shows wet, it will bust as it dries in lumber form around that wet seam. That tree should have been cut a while back to minimize the lose. God Bless
Good luck on your decision. Poor old tree ain't worth what it could have been without the hollow but looks like it could still be a nice wildlife tree providing food and shelter to some of your critters. Many of my trees are more valuable to me for my wildlife interests than for their lumber value. I just about won't cut a mast bearing tree on my property until it falls or shows signs of dying but to each his own. Good luck and be careful.